Chipita Rodriguez

0:10 Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina, and this is a podcast where we talk about Latin American history. Sometimes it's horrible and deals with Tiby topics like racism, corruption, and genocide. But more than that, it's also about resistance, power and community. Well. I had a different topic planned, but then I was like, it's Women's History month and I cannot talk about a man. First of all, it was a crime that I talked about Joe Orpio in our months last week. Yeah, and I have regrets. Although I it was cathartic to talk about him, it feels like I waited my whole life to do that, you know what I mean. So yeah, I think you did. Yeah.

0:54 While I have regrets, at the same time, I do not. Okay, Well that's why I changed today's time big to make up for it. Yeah. Yeah, because again I had a different topic plan, but we can't talk about a man two episodes in a row. A man an our month and two in a row. Yeah, yeah, in our month. Can't do it. So for years, she was considered to be the only woman to have been legally hanged in the state of Texas. But that's not the case. What it's not the case that she was legally hanged. Oh, so she was extra judicially hanged, you'll see. Okay. Her name was Josefa Rodriguez maybe, and that is our topic today.

1:37 I know we talked about California, But wasn't it your name was Josepha too in California. Yeah, her name was actually Josepha Okay, okay, but she was called twenty that for the longest time. Yeah, but this is Texas and this was considered legally done. Okay, So very little is known about her life except for the end, like the hanging part of it all, you know. But and that took place in eighteen sixty three in San Patricio, Texas. We're going to start at the beginning with some context, you know, in between that. So jose Fa Rodriez was born in either seventeen seventy three or seventeen ninety nine, one of those. They're kind of a part but okay, yeah, that's really far apart. There's very little that's like confirmed, and this border is like legend. Oh there's a lot of like, yeah, missing confirmed details. So one of those two years for sure, and in Mexico which later became Texas, when she was born, it was well, actually it was Spain.

2:42 It was Mexico under Spain. When she was born, it was in Nuevo Tpana. The most common accepted date of birth is December thirty, seventeen ninety nine, and at the time of her birth, she was born in Nuevo Santander, which included that Maulipas, nue Bolon and Texas. Back then, the Spanish government was encouraging Anglo slash American migration into the area. They sure were, and look what happened. Do you know why they were doing this? I learned why, but I don't remember. To control the rebellious indigenous population. Of course, I could just guess that. I guess. I'm surprised you didn't. Maybe there were more reasons, but that's the most prominent obvious reason. The Spanish government contracted empresarios, which is land agents who were in charge of developing the area. One of the most famous empresarios was Stephen F. Austin, who would later be known as the Father of Texas.

3:44 He brought three hundred Anglo families to the state, which was not a state yet. Uh huh. And it's his fault that Texas separated rare. No, this is way before that. I think he was like one of the influences. Okay, it's like all this sounds familiar to me, like being That's what I'm like. Yeah, I'm going to stop guessing, though only you talk. It's okay. The Spanish even gave these Anglos land. Again, this is all indigenous land, and they're doing this to quote control the indigenous population, to make them, you know, disappear settler colonialism. So yeah, the Spanish gave these settlers land. And most who migrated or settled the area were also cotton farmers, and these are Anglo cotton farmers. In these years, they had slaves. They hadn't slaved people with them. Yeah, they brought their black and slaved people to work their new lands because they weren't going to do it. And even though the Spanish government had abolish slavery in Mexico or Rewospana New Spain, they granted an exception to this ban for Texas. That's how Parney was to try and get rid of the quote Indian end quote problem under control. Awesome. Important to note that the Mexican War of Independence started around eighteen ten and it lasted eleven years, and so the Spanish were like losing control of not only Mexico but also

5:15 other colonies around the same time, and so there wasn't a lot they could do about the growing Anglo settlement in Texas, some of which they had already been encouraging for years up to that point. Then it was got out of hand. It was like, whoops, I didn't mean for this to happen. Whoops. Yeah, you know what where I learned about this in harvest s Evampire and it's like, never trust angle settlers. Come on. Yeah. So it was actually through these empresadios, the land land agents, that Chipita's future home. Sorry, her nickname is Chipita. Did I say that already? Oh? I was like, who I don't think you Didita Rodriguez, Oh my god, maybe you should inser yourself in the beginning saying that. I mean, you said it now, but it's too late. Wow. Yes, her her nickname was Chipita. Okay, good to know, all right anyway, So it was actually through these emprosaidios that host cephas akachipita future home would come to be. Two empersadio's named James mcloin and John McMullen received permission from the Spanish government to settle two hundred Irish families in Texas in eighteen twenty eight. Apparently they thought that the Catholic Irish could serve as a buffer between the Anglo settlers and the Hispanic or Spanish population of Texas. Interesting, you know, like let's bring in more Catholic folks that they can like

6:48 make it more Catholic and less Anglo. They thought equated or Catholic equated to like, they're going to be on our side. Which during the Mexican American War, there was a big Irish group that fought with the Mexicans. Yeah, so maybe they were partially right about that, but of course that's not what happened. What did happen was the Texas Revolution. And this is like a very basic brief summary on all of this. The Texas Revolution didn't just involve Anglo Americans before somebody's like type it an angry message. It also involved Hispanic Texans aka Tejanos, who weren't happy with the Mexican government anyway. In response to the revolution, the Mexican Army, actually, I think by that point it was already in Mexico. I believe it believes coming out of war, so again not strong. But the Mexican army led by Santa Ana headed in to reclaim Texas after they declared revolution, which would this marching by Santa Ana, this army led by Santana would culminate into the Battle of the Alamo and Texas becoming Texas. But getting into that would be like another set of episodes. Yeah, I mean the Alamo. I remember the Alamo. I forget the Alamo?

8:06 Is that what they say? I remember Alamo? I don't know the fuck they say. I'm sorry, I'm not from Texas. Okay, I know because when I was in San Antonio station there, we went to go look at the Alamo and we were supposed to like feel something, and I was like, this was Mexico ones So but yeah, so that's the Alamo. But that's that's like my another my another one of my like big episodes. Yeah, situations that it just haven't gone into because that's not the way we learned it in the US, is not fully how it went down as Yeah. Yeah, so this brings us back to Chipita though, oh god, I forgot about her. Yes, this is about Chepeita. Anyway, this brings us back to Chipeita, because it is said, but not confirmed, that her dad was actually part of Santa Anna's army in that march to the Alamo. Her father was a part of Santa anna army. Yes, okay, well the Mexican army led by Santa Ana. Yeah, what, there's no point of Well, it's because later Santa Anna would be forced to leave Mexico and then not tired this time period. Okay, because later he would have his own army. But we're not talking about later. I just don't want to confuse people. That's why I'm trying to explain to it was unnecessary not talking about later whatever, it does matter. Go okay, no, I get what you're saying in this time period that is, yeah, okay. Anyway, Yes, her father was part of the Mexican army under Santa Anna,

9:36 but he deserted the Mexican army and fled to San Patricio to join the white people. Yeah. Apparently I'm going to add that it's weird that someone deserting the army, the Mexican army, would take their family with them. So you're saying it's not true or maybe was not confirmed. Oh okay, So it's like a it's weird to me, but yeah, because his family wasn't fighting or they weren't following along with the army, right, I mean, some some did, some women did. I guess. I just I thought that was more common in the revolution, not in the War of independence. Yeah, say I that's from my understanding. That's what I know. I mean, yeah, we're yeah, we're just we're just talking about We're just speculating, okay, and none of this is confirmed, okay, but yeah, it said that her father Pedro Rodriguez left the Mexican Army and joined the Texan forces to fight against Santana. That'd be wild if that happen, and then died during one of those battles. Oh, but then she did end up in San Patrica somehow, so she did. It's going to be true, right, right, And the town of San Patricio was mostly abandoned because we'll follow it after this was Texas's own war for independence, right, and so the town of San Patricia was mostly abandoned and during this Texas War for Independence, but then it was revived during the Mexican American War, which was not long after this. Somebody like wars just back to back

11:09 war the war, the war never ending exactly. So US Army General Zachary Taylor established a base camp at Corpus Christie. Did you hear that Corpus Christy is about to run out of water? Not surprise. And aren't they putting like AI stuff there in data centers? Oh? I don't know if it's in Corpus Christie. I know there's like places in Texas where they're doing that, but I'm not sure where. Yeah, same, same, So this base at Corpus Christie was big enough to sustain many nearby towns. More and more settlers came and went, and San Patricio became a stopping place for travelers. And in general this area was also part of the Cotton Road. Do you know about the Cotton Road? I don't think so. Okay, it was a smuggling route used by the Confederacy to trade. Yeah, because like as the US Revolution like fighting up north and it cut off like the Confederacies like normal, I don't know, trade, And so then the Cotton Road was established for them to like smuggle, and this area San Patricio was along the Cotton Road. And so now at this point all sorts of people are coming around, including outlaws, gamblers, and other shady types. And many of these shady types probably stayed at Chipitas because once her mom was no longer living and her father was long gone, she ran a B and B of sorts, oh a little little

12:40 better breakfast a motel. Yeah, so she charged travelers to spend the night on her porch where she provided a meal and a cot. And this, like calinded, a full on like B and B or motel is a lot for those times, you know, it's a little generous, okay, generous? Yes, So she had like a lean to shack, and what a lean to? Do you know what those were? Because I didn't, yes, okay, well I had to look it up. So, according to Wikipedia, a lean to is a type of simple structure originally added to an existing building, with the rafters leaning against another wall. So free standing structures open on one or more sides, generally used as shelters, are colloquially referred to as lean to's. So yeah, it was just like this tent extending covering her porch with like poles, and so that's the lean too. That's where they slept on her porch. It said that one of these drifters who stayed at her lean to B and B was the father of her child. Oh and this, like many parts of her life, is not confirmed either, but they say that some random American travelers stayed with her her pregnant, stayed long enough for her to have the baby, which was a boy, then took the baby and left. Oh wow.

13:58 And the most unbelieva part of this to me is that a man took the baby with him without a mother to raise. Pretty unheard of, right, right, especially for these times when like, yeah, no, so I don't know, that's what they say. Interesting. Yeah, in eighteen sixty three, Chipita would have been sixty four years old if we go by the seventeen ninety nine date of birth, otherwise she would have been ninety. Oh my god, wait, so was she she was hung when she was in her sixties? She was at least sixty four. I guess that's more likely because not much people, not many people lived till ninety back then, right, right, So at sixty actually she was sixty three. She hadn't turned sixty four anythink, So sixty three, at sixty three, she was still providing food and a resting place. For wary travelers in San Patricio.

14:57 One of these travelers was a man named John Sam Savage MM. Before getting to Chipitas, he was at the only saloon in San Patricio bragging about having sold horses to the Union Army. Some sources say it was a Confederate army, which is more likely considering they are in Texas and this was along the Cotton Road where the Confederacy Army was smuggling, so he was bragging about this. And it was also more likely the Confederacy Army because there is records of him having sold to them before, horses to them before. So he also could have been like a both sides type of person who as long as they have money, I'm like selling. Yeah yeah, but either way. After drinking at the saloon, he went over to Chipitas for a place to spend the night. There he was prepared a meal for a pasetta, which was like a quarter a coin for a quarter a coin that was ater. It wasn't like the courters we have today, but it was the same value. Yes, oh wow, I'm sorry I can't think today. As you've noticed all day.

16:06 I mean, you'll edit out the most part, so maybe it will be noticeable to our listeners. True. True, So yeah, he for I said that he was given a meal and a place to sleep. By the time she was up, he was gone, which wasn't abnormal for them to just like stay and leave right away, you know, no big deal. But two days later, his dismembered body was found in a burlap sack. Oh oh, by the Adan Sans River. Yes. So, five year old Dolorous Wilder had gone to collect firewood with two servants when one of the servants, named Lunne, saw a sack floating in the water, thinking there might be something viable in it, she pulled it closer with like a long stick, then opened it and like his head was there. Oh my god. Yeah. Some sources say it was too unnamed and sleeved people. Okay, do you know what when you said servants, I was gonna ask are we sure there were servants or were they enslaved people? Right? Right? So, some sources say, and interesting to enslaved people by the Wilder family found him with the five year old. Either way, he was found two days after leaving Chipitas, so Sheriff William Means was notified and he actually lived in Meansville, but he serviced. Sorry his last name? Did he found?

17:31 Did he found Meansville? Maybe or his family? I don't know, Okay, maybe one of the two. I didn't look up the history of Meansville. It's just interesting, found it funny. So he was notified and he rode out to the river and confirmed, Yeah, this this was John Savage. He noted the dismemberment, and he concluded it was done by an axe and noted that John they found the other sacks with his body parts. I noted that John had a pocket knife, matches, and tobacco, but not his six hundred dollars of gold from his horse sale. Oh, that was missing.

18:13 So the sheriff concluded that the money was the motive he was robbed and then dismembered. Yeah. He then found out John Savage had stayed at Chibitas before turning up dead, so he went over there to investigate. When he arrived there, he saw blood on her porch, which actually turned out to be chicken blood, but that didn't matter to the sheriff. Wow. He accused her, this sixty three year old Mexican woman. He accused her of having killed John and dismembering him, but then he was like, you know what, she couldn't have done it alone, and accused a man named Juan Silvera, And so some say this was her son who had been taken from her all those years ago and then returned and was reunited with his mom. So some people say that's who wanted Silvana was. Other people say it was just like a simple man who she took a liking to and let him help around the motel, but it's not confirmed who he was to her. And so both of them were arrested, and all Chipita could say was no soupable, I'm not guilty in Spanish, and mind you the six hundred in gold that was found later in the river north of San Patricio. Okay, so obviously he wasn't robbed. Then there was the motive, but that didn't matter to any of them, I guess, because that like that should have dismissed the whole case against them.

19:45 Oh yeah, but that's not what happened. She was held at Sheriff William means House in Meansville because there had apparently been two Lyne moms that had formed and wanted to lyne her. When she was being kept at the courthouse in some Wow. And that's again all part of the legend. However, there was a trial. Most core records were burned in a court fire or a flood, lost in flood, either one. It's not confirmed, but for sure there was a trial because like a week of court records survived. So the Lynch Mob, the two Lynch moms, that's not confirmed. There's also part of the legend that when Chipta was held at the courthouse, she was kept chained to a wall and in leg shackles. While she was there, kids would bring her candy and chucks to make cigarettes with and they were like, man, she's super old.

20:44 She has to be like ninety, is what they would like to tell each other about her. The core records do state that there were no qualified jurors because all the men were gone in war to the war gone warring, you know, and women could be jurors. Neither could any non whites. Wow, seeing that's what they et. Yeah, And so the sheriff was sent out to find at least twenty qualified men to be part of the jury, and he found thirty men, but a lot of them were criminals that would make them not qualifiable to be part of the jury. The hell yeah, and at least three were murderers. Oh my god, yeah, like having they were like indicted with murder, but they were not in jail themselves, but they were trying someone for an alleged murder. So sounds ridiculous, very Also, the foreman of the jury was the arresting sheriff. Didn't sound right. Wow. Three members of the grand jury were also members of the trial jury.

21:53 And I don't know what the difference between those are, but that's fine. I've heard that grand juries are to bring charge it. Oh okay, and so there's supposed to be two different juries. Yeah, so one is to bring the charges against her and then one is to actually try her for the charges. Okay, if it's like today, Okay, that adds up, I think, so, yeah, all wrong obviously. Yeah, the trial lasted one day and the same day she was tried and convicted. Normally now it's like there's a trial for are you guilty or not and then there's a separate sentencing like yeah, usually is how it happens, not always, but here everything was done the same day.

22:38 The juries were found, like everything. So Chipia was never like allowed to say anything she had no counsel that could speak Spanish. All she kept saying was no, so I am not guilty. She couldn't read or write. So again, a very unfair trial, and the jury found her guilty. Of course they did. They found her guilty, but in their statement they asked for mercy. They said, like we find we the jury find her guilty of this and this and this, but we asked for mercy, meaning they didn't want her to be hanged due to her old age.

23:23 But Judge Benjamin Neil sentenced her to death anyway, and again there was like zero evidence says she did this nothing. Huen Silverna was sentenced to five years because the jury agreed that he had only helped chipitad get rid of the body, but that Chipita was the one who did the acine the dismemberment. Like they just made this up right, it doesn't make any Yes, there were rooms Juan having been slow minded, and that the sheriff interrogated Kwana until he was saying what they wanted him to say. I believe that, yeah, others believe that. Again he was her son and she was just trying to protect her son, and that's why she refused to say anything either way.

24:19 They sentenced her to hang, and she was hanged on Friday, November thirteenth, eighteen sixty three. She oh, yeah, so she was sixty three because her birthday was December thirtieth, so she hadn't turned sixty four yet. Okay. Anyway, she was still wearing the dress that she had been arrested with. So, oh, how much time had passed? I read different things. Some said weeks and some said two months. Wow. Too long for her to still be wearing the same clothes, that's for sure. And this is also part of the legend that came to be because it's not confirmed. But on the morning that she was hanged, she was visited by the Sullivan sisters and they brought a bathtub with them because she had not been allowed to bathe for some reason until then. Also, for some unknown reason, the sheriff was like, I can't hang her, and I had to be Deputy Sheriff John Gilpin who did it. And so, according to legend, John Gilpin went to this lady Kate McCumber to borrow her wagon to transport Chipita to the hanging tree. Because the way they did it was to basically use the wagon as like part of the hanging system.

25:39 They like had it tied to that and they would throw the rope over to the branch and so they had to pull the wagon forward to start the hanging. So he needed a wagon, and he went over to Kate McCumber, who refused to let him use her wagon and even chased him away with the broom and he had to go find another wagon. And that again is not confirmed, just part of the legend. And the coffin was made that same morning, and it's most likely that she heard her own coffin being made because it was done like across the courthouse. And so she was taken to the hanging tree. There was already a crowd. She was in her blue and white dress, and she was allowed to Signarillo. On her way to the hanging tree.

26:27 Deputy Gilpin tried giving her a handkerchief to cover her face as she was hung, as was like customary to cover these people's faces that were about to be hanged, and she declined it because she was like, well, you're doing this to me, you'll have to see my face. She declined the handkerchief, and she also declined a confession and never sent for a priest because she was like, I'm medicine, I have nothing to confess. And once she was the hanging was done, people were like all out of sorts. Someone even fainted because apparently it took a while because they hadn't account for like there were used to hanging men heavy men. So she how crazy that even when it comes to hanging they didn't take into consideration women and so women had says that for for longer than a man would exactly is wow. Yeah, it just adds to like the audacity of the song. Yeah, it took a while. Eventually, someone you know, cut her off the rope and cut her into the coffin, into like the already hole that was already dug there. And someone allegedly someone in the crowd says that from when she was put in the coffin, they held knocking from inside the coffin. Oh, that's obviously that's part of the legend. Yeah, and you know it was probably the guilt from the fact that they hung an old lady, killed this old lady.

27:50 But Chipita is said to haunt the area, wow, having been seen near her Hakal the former inn. They say she appears there. Oh, I was gonna say when you mentioned the lean too, I say, I think they're called the Hakaldas and Spanish, but I can remember. Oh, but now you do. Yeah. Yeah, they say her christ can be heard from the river. Okay, Spookytail's crossover, now I know, I know that. I'm like, this could have been a spooky tee. Sometimes she's seen in her blue and white dress taking a drag from her cia on her way to the hanging tree. Part of the legend is that she like cursed the town as she was dying, and that's why it became like so abandoned, because anyone would, You're right, like they deserve it. So she was, you know, in this coffin where they allegedly heard a knock coming from it, but she this was an unmarked grave. And they now say people were not happy with her hangings division history. Yes, just like that that tweet that became a book by I'm I don't remember his name, but oh yeah, I know what book you're talking about. One day everyone will always be against this, yeah, yeah, because they say that every no one was, like the people of San Patrista were not happy about this. Yet there was two lynch mobs form because they were bloodthirsty to kill her, and yet they went to go watch her be hung like the visious, bloodthirsty animals they were. Yeah.

29:23 Different local newspapers at the time like celebrated, of course, the judge's sentencing and they stated the law was upheld. And so I think that reflects the how people view this hanging more than these stories of later people having been against it. Yeah. In nineteen forty two, Rachel Bluntser Herbert wrote an epic poem called Shadows on the Nuesses because the Nus River and the river meet at some point, and so close to where they meet is where she was from. And so this poem depicts Chipita as a hero who was protecting her son. It's very long, so I'm not gonna read it because it's a good poem.

30:12 It's not just a normal poem because are longer. However, you can find that one. It's linked in the show notes as well. There's another poem, this one I could not find anywhere online. I'm sure it's somewhere, but it was written in nineteen ninety nine by Teresa Palomo Agosta. And this poem also depicts Chipita as a hero. Heroine. I know, but I keep saying hero There's also an opera titled Chipita Rodriguez, which debuted in nineteen ninety three at the University of Texas. Then in nineteen eighty five, the State of Texas Actually, and I don't. I wish I had written it down. Actually I don't. I meant to go back and write down why, who brought the song, how would this come about? How this came to be?

30:56 And I didn't do it, So I'm so sorry. But in nineteen eighty five, the State of Texas revised the conviction basically and said she was not lawfully Oh hanged that she was. This was an unfair trial, extra judicial killing. Yes, And so that was in nineteen eighty five. Oh okay, I did this interesting, So they were like they could go they could see, like this was not lawful at all. Yeah, and a ninacing woman was killed. That was nineteen eighty five. In twenty ten, a historical marker was placed in front of the old courthouse in Old San Patricio, near a bunch of mesquite trees. And this isn't where she was killed, because again that was an unmarked grave, so it's not known which trio was for sure, but like this general area and there you can find a historical marker with her whole story. And she for some reason, like for years before nineteen eighty five, when they said no, this actually was not lawful, they kept saying that she was the only lawfully hanked woman in Texas. But that also isn't true because in nineteen not nineteen eighteen fifty three, ten years before she was hanged, there was an enslaved black woman who on May twenty seventh, eighteen fifty three, in Dallas, Jane Elkins, an enslaved black woman, was actually legally hanged. So she is the first legally hanged woman

32:29 in the state of Texas for unknown reasons. Jane killed her enslaver for unknown reasons. I think we can take a few guesses that's by a fucking asshoho was like raping her or something. Oh and she old her that alone could be a reason for that shit. Yeah, and so yeah, she was sentenced by Judge Reagan. Oh my god, that last name just haunts us. Who Judge Reagan was his name? But in Texas? Yeah, who knows, no relations sentence, but who knows. But yeah, so that was actually the first legal hanging of a woman, and I guess the only legal hanging of a woman in Texas, because you know, they deemed and I would personally, I would say even her hanging was also a lawful because first of all, she was just enslaved. That was the Yeah, that alone undoes all of it. But she was also tried by an all white dress, tried by a dream of her peers, no exactly, so that undoes all of it for me.

33:43 So m m. But yeah, that was the story of Chipita Rodriguez. Interesting. Interesting. I was interested to see where this was going. I was like, is this something that's just like legend only and we don't know if it's true or not, or like I send the beginning, it's something that they said was lawful but then turned out to be unlawful. Yeah, so I was curious. But there's like aspects of like the legend, like oh, there's so much lower this, yeah, and the story so much that's unconfirmed and so much that that you can even be sure of its like is this them saying this later because they know it was wrong to rise right? Because some even say that the story of the deputy sheriff having gone to ask for this wagon and then that woman refusing to let them true, like that's not confirmed. Yeah, I mean I could see that. And as as a part of the revisionist history. Yeah, I don't know what it was with people back then, well that they love to see the lynchings. Yeah mo insidious like ooh, yeah, I don't know. I mean I guess you could argue that still around today, like with how people get obsessed with like two crime cases and stuff. True true interesting interesting? Yeah, all right, well, any more thoughts before we move on. No,

35:19 that was a short episode, but we do have a Bukel bullshit segment today and so this requires this first part requires us to go, let me send you well, actually you you send it to me. We're going to watch this. On February twenty third, twenty twenty six, Bougele posted an Ai video where he wrote President Najibukeles Nasi and Otros Bass President Naibukele, if I if he would have oh I guess he's talking abou himself if I had been born in other countries. And then then let's watch this. Then it's different versions of this. Oh my god, what's audacious thing? Looking at each other, it's just thing.

36:01 It's also so like fucking horny for himself. Okay, okay, so did you see the first iteration of this? Actually the first one I see. I don't know if it's the first one, but I first saw this in one of the pop cultures. I read it. Oh no, it's sa tircle pop culture. So I read it, and I haven't seen that too much. Layers to get into, but I think it was re posted from they got it from TikTok. But somebody posted a Justin Bieber version of this. Really yeah, oh, I didn't know, and then that's when I first saw it, and then yeah, I even then I thought it was weirdly horny, like they look the different versions of Justin Bieber looked at they were going to make out with each other. Okay, so these different versions of book, it looked like they're going to make out.

36:42 It it's the same. Yeah, okay, let me replay it. Yeah, they look at each other, touch each other's shoulders, and then it pans to the next one showing wait, let's say the names. Okay, well right here, okay, showing what he would have looked like if he were born in the U in these countries and what his name would have been, so like in the US he would have been Nathan Buckley. Yeah, can you actually have France? This is the same, I guess, just spelled differently. Yeah. Germany Najibukomen, Nibo Italia Italy. That's that was Nibo nay. I am now in Japan? Where are you at? Okay? So Japan? Okay, najeb Alli. That's the United what is it? Emirates? Emirates Yeah, which is funny because he's already Palestinian. His name is already Yeah, Nai Buke come on, Yeah, I didn't see the Mexican one. I'm like, are you freaking serious, dude?

37:50 That would not be your fucking Okay, we have to get to the Mexican one is insane. Brazilian is naive, Yeah, okay, Russia is Nai book love so stupid India Nai bukel bukil Seing. China. Hey the Chinese what kind of looks like? Kyle? Oh shit, you screenshot this. You're like, if you died your hair more black, grew beer like this, you would be the Chinese bird president of all separated. This is the dumbest fucking AI slop. Yeah, okay, so, oh wait where the Mexican wanna go English? Nigel Butler, Yeah, that was pretty fucking dumb. Nige Butler at Hintina Nai Bukeletti okay Mexico, now dem yes, are you fucking serious? Dudeka so dumb and also you know we're gonna put this video.

38:58 But know how he's uh he's the whitest version you could possibly be in these countries. Yeah, yeah, of course you would never turn himself. Uh there's there's notably no no black majority countries here, right right, So yeah, imagine that. Imagine that now Demo buke Yes, now demok okay y is ridiculous, man, So I just need to laugh. I needed to laugh at that, Okay. On a more serious note, On March seventh, six BU, along with state leaders from Africanina, Bolivia, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Guyana, Honduras, Panama, Paraguay and Tobago, and then of course United States, all participated in the inaugural summit of the Shield of the Americas fucking dumb Marvel fucking comic book as a name. First of all, yeah, Brazil, Mexico and Colombia and Venezuela. Notably, we're not there. At the summit, Trump vowed to go after drug cartels, talk about Chinese economic and political interests in Latin America and from Wikipedia. President Trump signed a proclamation launching the Shield of America's Initiative establishing the America's Counter Cartel Coalition. Stupid, that's not for me, that's for me.

40:27 The signing took place at the Shield of the America Summit at Trump National dooral Miami. What's that? Oh, I don't know. He's like a state establishing the America's Counter Cartel Coalition. The proclamation commits participating nations to coordinate military and law enforcement efforts to combat transnational criminal organizations, particularly drug cartels, which, mind you, they already fucking do they already do that. You don't need a new fucking organization, no new fucking proclamation, nothing like countries have always done that. Yeah, this is all part of like reinforcing the what was the Monroe doctrine that now they're stupidly calling the don Road doctrine. Uh. And then to just like there isn't as an excuse, like they're using cartels and drug violence.

41:16 Gang violence is an excuse to further extend American imperialism yeah sorry, United Statesian imperialism into the rest of the Americas. And also to just like strengthen the Latin American right wing right and the United States and hedge money as well. Yes, yes, And notably the countries that were missing are the more left governments, so this was almost like a reunion of dictators pretty much. And for the last BUC update, Elfado reported that the Bull brothers bought even more tax exempt property and the centristorical historic downtown. We're real estate in this area is in high demand, and yet Kadim and Yusev Bukele have acquired three properties there for one point twenty five million USD. In just three years. The president's brothers now owned five properties totally three thousand, thirty seven square meters in the historic center, according to public information available at the National Registry Center and analyzed byl FAO and the Zaxion Rejonal Lahensia. Their company also recently purchased a two hundred fifty four square meter property in the upscale Escalon neighborhood of the capital for twe hundred and fifty thousand. As for Lahensia's purchases in the Historic Center.

42:36 They amounted to two point eight million and began in twenty twenty three, two and a half months after the law creating the Authority of the Historic Center of Santa Ralo, also known as APPLAN, came into force. Almost like that was a whole point, right right, This law, signed by Naibukele, grants income tax exemption for ten years for diverse real estate investment of a thousand or more a thousand dollars or more in properties with the minimum of twenty five square meters. Investors in the Historic Center are also exempt from municipal Texas. Expenses incurred by investors in rebuilding or renovating sites for public use and purposes are also now deductible from income tax. So this is just like free welfare state for rich people as always. Oh sorry, And one thing I didn't get to write, but one of those buildings they have in the Historic Center La Concordia, it was damaged in a fire that killed or in this fire five died. Yeah, And following the fire, like immediately one of the Bookler brothers, I don't remember which one, was like, oh, this isn't my building now, by the way, Yeah, so what a coincidence? Okay, and yeah that is the most recent buclet update. Again, there's there's always more, but that's where we're at now. Yeah for next time, next time, because yeah, unfortunately there will continue to be updates. Yeah yeah,

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