When Futbol Got Political Part 2

0:10 Hi, everyone. This is Carmen. And Cristina. And this is Historia As Unknown, a podcast where we talk about Latin American history. Sometimes it's horrible and deals with heavy topics like racism, corruption, and genocide. But more than that, it's also about resistance, power, and community. Also, we're recovering from a cold, and that's why we sound like this, if we sound different, which we should. We sound a little more nasally. Our break didn't go as planned because illness was not planned. But you never plan for those things, right? I never think they're going to happen, no. I know. Anyway, yeah, we're back. And the World Cup was wrapping up as we went on our break. And even though it is long over, it is still in my heart, still in mi corazón. And we're still sick with football fever. We're sick with the cold and with football fever. That's right. Yeah, I've been watching Liga MX. I haven't been watching any, but I've been keeping up with them. Subreddit. So yeah, I've been checking which Mexican players have made it to Europe.

1:16 Me too. Anyway, it's still in my heart. And that is why we're doing a part two of the most political football matches. And also because I said we would last episode. Well, yes. And I'm glad because I thought it was a very interesting topic. I have so much fun doing these topics. And there's just an endless amount that we could do. I also read this book called How Soccer Explains the World. And fascinating, fascinating. I learned so much about the EPL, the English Premier League, about some of the history there. Lots of anti-Semitism. Wait, we should do a Patreon. Why didn't I think of this?

1:59 We do a Patreon episode about the book. Oh my God, we'll do that. We'll do that. It was a lot. It was fun to read. There was also a section, a very interesting section about Brazil. Brazil. That would be, I feel like that would be kind of wild. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a very fun read. Anyway, let's, before we go more off topic here and not start the episode yet, let's start this episode. Let's do it. As we said in the last episode, part one of this, politics and sports have never really been separate, although some would try to have you believe otherwise. It's just not true. They've always been intertwined. As has everything with politics. Everything is political.

2:40 That's right. In the last part of this, I talked about the 1978 World Cup, which took place in Argentina. And we specifically talked about Argentina versus Peru in that World Cup. And we also talked about Chile versus the Soviet Union in 1973, which was a qualifier for the 1974 World Cup, which took place in West Germany. And just like where these World Cups take place, also political. Because why was it in West Germany? Why not East Germany? We all know why. Yeah, we all know why. Also, which teams make it. Exactly. Which teams have the resources to pay their players to fully dedicate themselves to the game and training, which ones have to keep working full time while playing, you know? So today I will be telling you, the listeners and Carmen, about Argentina yet again, because for some reason they're always at the scene of political football matches. They really are, huh? They are. They are.

3:37 The same context for the 1978 World Cup applies to what I'm talking about today, Argentina versus England 1.0, because we had 2.0 in the 2026 World Cup. What? Argentina versus England. 2.0 recently. Yeah. Okay. Okay. 1.0 in 78. Okay. Yeah. Sorry. For some reason, I just couldn't comprehend that. I think it's my sick brain. No, sorry. 1.0 took place in 1986, but the same context that we already talked about for the 1978 World Cup that happened in Argentina applies to this. The dictatorship was still going on. Sort of. Okay. Well, I'll just let you get into it. But the point of all this is that Argentina versus England 2.0 was also a little political. Okay. Wow. Yeah. So, Argentina versus England 1.0. What I'm calling 1.0. They had played before that, but I'm calling the 1986 match the first very political match between the two. Oh, I see. Argentina versus England 1.0 took place in 1986, just three years after the military junta was disbanded. I see. Yeah. And as we said in part one, during the dictatorship, the military junta enacted the dirty war in which the military security forces and death squads hunted down anyone who was considered subversive. Any political dissidents of the junta, socialists, communists, peronistas, montoneros, which was a guerrilla. Guerrilleros. Yeah. Union leaders, members, union members.

5:10 I mean, students, journalists, artists, teachers, anyone, literally anyone. It's estimated that between 13,000 and 30,000 were either killed and or disappeared. Also, this dirty war is where the term disappeared as a verb, like it was coined for this war. Like they were disappeared. Yeah, like not they disappeared, they were disappeared. Yes. By the 1980s, Argentina was in economic collapse. The Junta was growing more and more unpopular among the people. In December 1981, the military junta changed hands. It was now headed by General Leopoldo Galtieri, Air Brigadier Basilio Lami Doso, and Admiral Jorge Anaya. This was December, right? In March, they also changed, like, they had another change of, like, who was in power. Okay, so a lot of... A lot of... Yes. Because in March of 1981... General Jorge Rafael Videla, who we've mentioned a lot, he was like in charge for a long time. Yeah. He transferred like his power, whatever, his role to General Roberto Eduardo Viola.

6:25 And then it changed again just a few months after that. In December. And then in an attempt to create unity, increase nationalism and distract the population, he General Leopoldo Galtieri, the main architect behind La Guerra de las Malvinas. Oh, so that was him. The Falcons were, yeah. He came up with a plan to invade the islands called Operation Rosario. The military junta hoped to mobilize patriotism, but they never expected the UK to respond militarily, with their own military, to the invasion of the Falkland Islands. I really don't know why they thought that. I honestly don't know. But like, you know how talking in terms of the U.S. and how people are like, oh, it's a distraction. It's a distraction.

7:18 Like these things really are. This is literally a planned distraction. Like they're like, OK, the people aren't happy. You know what will unite them? Patriotism. A war. They're hungry. They're being repressed. But to distract, let's make this war. Exactly. Before getting into the war itself, let's talk a little bit about Las Malvinas or the Falkland Islands. These islands are found in the South Atlantic and their sovereignty has been disputed since the 19th century. According to Argentina, Las Malvinas belong to them. Not only because it makes sense geographically, as the islands are like way, way closer to Argentina.

8:04 They're literally like Argentina's on the left and then on the right, there's a little bit of ocean and then there are Las Malvinas. They're very close to Argentina. So it makes sense geographically, it does. But also because the islands were part of the Spanish colonial world. And after gaining independence from Spain, whatever belonged to Spain now belonged to Argentina. So in 1829, Argentina appointed Luis Vernet as the political and military commander of Las Malvinas. And who was he? You might be wondering because I was like, who is this? He was a wealthy merchant, son of a wealthy merchant, born in Hamburg. As in like Hamburg was like formerly Germany with some other... countries in Europe I don't I'm not like a European historian but I just yeah the Hamburgs um are a thing anyway born in Hamburg eventually making his way to South America and he is best known for having settled Las Malvinas specifically the East Falkland Islands because there's East and West Falklands um and he settled in the East Falklands well he settled them he created like a settlement there in 1828 and you can find a statue of him in the East Falkland Islands to this day The appointment of Luis Vernet was challenged by the British consul in Buenos Aires, who then restated their claim to the islands. And what

9:36 is their claim to the island? You might also be wondering. I was literally wondering that. Well, in 1690, an English captain, I didn't write down his name. I'm so sorry. John something. John Smith, probably. No, I don't know his name. John Smith himself. No, but an English captain for sure. Yeah, yeah. Made the first recorded landing on the Falklands. And unlike other areas where they made their first recorded landings, this was actually uninhabited. Then in 1764, a British settlement was established in West Falkland. But then they were driven away by the Spanish. Then they returned. Then they were driven away again by the Spanish. Because the Spanish were also there, in and out. Like both Spanish, English and French, actually all three were in and out of the Falklands since like that time period. And then the islands were kind of forgotten by both the Spanish and the British until Argentina gained independence in 1820 and then claimed sovereignty over the islands. In 1833, British forces took control of the Falklands.

10:46 and forced whatever Argentine authorities who were already there, they forced them out. And if you look at the population of Las Malvinas, a name which the British reject, it is pretty British. 30% identify as such, as British, while 53% of those on the island identify as Falkland Islander. Okay, but they're like... descendants from... Yeah, the main language is English. British. Yeah. The main official language of the Falklands is English. 11% identifies as St. Hellenians. 5% is Filipino. Okay. Okay, Filipinos. Yeah.

11:26 And then another 5% as Chilean. And back then, in 1833, there was no established British community like there is today. It was smaller, the British community. It was smaller, but still there. And the population of the island was more mixed. There was some British, some Gauchos, which are like horse herders of Argentina and Uruguay of South America. Labors, settlers, sailors, those who had been there since the settlement of Luis Vernet, who settled it kind of in the name of Argentina, but also he spoke to the British and he kind of had permission for both of them. And it's like, okay, who was he actually working for? Point is, there was a lot of different groups of people on the island and they were uninhabited when all these groups of people came to be there. In 1965, the UN tried to get Argentina and the UK to reach an agreement on who owned the islands and nothing came of it. There was like smaller back and forth arguments between the two countries up until 1982. I'll also add that by 1982, The people of the Falklands did not recognize Argentine sovereignty on the islands. They consider themselves independent, but part of the UK. Like they didn't consider themselves at all Argentinian.

12:46 They were like, we're our own people, but we are associated with the British crown. Isn't it Argentine, not Argentinian? Probably. Yeah. But again, my brain not working. I'm not sure, actually. I don't know. Anyway, point is, they didn't claim themselves to be from Argentina. They wanted nothing to do with Argentina. OK, hopefully all of this has established that the Argentinian Argentine claim toward Las Malvinas predated the military junta. But as protests against the military junta grew and their power, people were like, we're tired of this as that was happening. Oh, both are correct. Oh, thanks. OK, now we know. Yeah.

13:30 They sought to use Las Malvinas to foster a sense of nationalism and thus Operación Rosario began. On April 2nd, 1982, Argentine forces landed on the Falkland Islands. Okay, but before that, like two weeks before that, there's another island that's very close to the Falkland Islands that's also now Argentinian. Uh, and they, the Argentine, Argentinian Marines had like infiltrated a, what looked like a fisher boat and they planted like the flag of Argentina on this island, this other island. I don't remember. I didn't write down what island it was. I thought I would remember and I didn't. So that already had like the British military kind of on edge.

14:12 They're like, what are they doing? Then on April 2nd, Argentine forces landed on the Falkland Islands. And for whatever reason, Argentina was surprised that the British responded. And I'm not going to get into like the battles and all that and the like the military details on how it went down. But the war was short lived. And although it was short lived, it left a deep wound in Argentina. Well, the Argentine military was like unprepared, ill-equipped, starving, right? That's exactly what I was about to say. They didn't have enough training. They faced hunger. The military plans were not well thought out. Young soldiers, most of whom were conscripted, were sent to the Falklands. So on top of that, it's not like a voluntary army. It's being forced. They were being sent to their deaths. This was not a war they were going to win. It lasted two months, one week, and five days. 649 Argentine soldiers died. Wow.

15:15 I don't think I had heard that number before. Or maybe I did, but I forgot. Yeah. Compared to 255 British military personnel and three Falkland Islanders. Argentina was forced to surrender. And this surrender paved the way for the return of democracy in Argentina... as the Junta was forced out. They were like, no, you're done. You're done, basically. You're done. But Las Malvinas is something that stayed on a lot of minds, especially the most patriotic and nationalistic, which is something that tends to come out to the forefront during any World Cup for any country, right? Like, yeah. And so now this leads us to the 1986 World Cup.

16:05 which took place four years after the War of the Falklands, the Falklands War. This World Cup was held in Mexico, where Mexico lost to Germany in the quarterfinals. They made it to the quarterfinals. Wow. And I want to say the U.S. didn't qualify. I believe it. I could be wrong, though. It could be misremembering. I believe it. Nine games were held at El Estadio Azteca. including the now infamous Argentina versus England match during the quarterfinals. I will also add that even before the war, there was already bad blood between these two teams, England and Argentina. Really? Yeah, taking it back to the 1966 World Cup. This was another quarterfinal match. This time, England won 1-0. And there was a lot of contention during that game, including a red card for the Argentina captain, Antonio Ratin. The referee, a German referee, he was accused of favoring England. The England manager, Alf Ramsey, referred to Argentina, the players of the Argentina national team, as animals. Yay. Which, of course, outraged the entire country. Yeah. So, yeah, there was bad blood between the two teams already. Back to 1986, Argentina versus England.

17:28 Argentina dominated the first half, making several attempts on goal that goalkeeper Peter Schulte managed to stop. Most goal attempts were done by Maradona himself, of course. Of course. Like, to... There has been... I mean, he's a legendary player. Obviously, not without controversy. Uh... He did a lot of cocaine. He did a lot of drugs. He beat women. Oh, I knew that. I didn't know about the cocaine, but it makes sense. You didn't know about the cocaine? I knew about the beating women, but not the cocaine. That's crazy. That makes sense. That you didn't know about. Yeah, there's also been like allegations of abusing minors. Really? I didn't know that. I just learned that. I didn't know that myself because I was like, oh, I should do a Maradona episode. And then I saw that and I was like, I need to look more deeply into this. Do I even want to talk about this man? I mean, you can talk about that too. True. The duality of man.

18:26 Some people suck, but they were really good at something, right? Yeah. But also his politics were very... He was very pro-Cuba, very pro-Palestine, as can happen. There are predatory men in all ideological spaces, unfortunately. Yeah, so I'm like considering not doing it, but maybe I will. Who knows? We'll see. I think it's... Yeah. Not something automatically that puts them off the table to talk about. True. I mean, we did. Well, no, that was a spooky tale. So I was like, we did a bunch of episodes on Cesar Chavez. Wait, did we do that? No, we did that here. Oh, yeah. We did the update. Yeah, you're right. You're right. All the issues that came out recently. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, point is, Maradona was the one making these attempts on goal again and again and again during that first half. Wait, is this a game? is this the game? Is this the game of the hand of God? Yes. Yes. Oh my God.

19:30 I didn't know that. And the reason that it becomes political is because obviously the context I gave beforehand, but Marilona himself will have statements about this game that I will share. Um, but let me describe the game. So, um, argentina had more possession possession of the of the ball in that first half they were unable to score though they were unable like england's defense is legendary as well even like always then right because that was what yeah got us that's what got me guys i'm controlling my tears no uh I'm not getting over that game ever.

20:11 I still think about that. Those last 11 minutes. Oh my God. I don't think I've ever been more stressed out in my life. Also at El Estadio Azteca. England's defense legendary. And so that first half, even though Argentina had the ball, most of the time they were unable to score. And the first half was 0-0. Then came the second half. Six minutes into the second half, Maradona made a pass to Jorge Valdano, who dribbled up to a left midfielder, Steve Hodge, who actually traded shirts with Maradona after this game. Anyway, so when Jorge Valdano attempted to kick the ball, Steve Hodge, like, you know, he tried to like kick it away. Right. So then in his attempt to kick it away, At the same time that that was happening, Maradona had continued his run after passing it to Valdano. So at this point, goalkeeper, not goalkeeper, Hodge, the midfielder, Hodge, tried to hook the ball to keep it away from the Argentinian team. So the ball went up into the air because he kicked it wrong. And so it went up into the air towards the goal.

21:24 And goalkeeper Peter Shilton... was there to try and punch the ball away, but Maradona was also there. And Shilton jumped up to punch the ball, right? But Maradona jumped up with him. And despite being eight inches shorter than Peter Shilton, Maradona jumped higher. Damn. Punched the ball and it bounced into the goal. Damn. Yes. It's epic to watch. Like, you should look up the Hand of God. Oh, I've seen it. You've seen it. It's epic. Yeah, I've seen the clip. It's a clear hand. No, it is clear as day. It clearly is, yeah. But Maradona celebrated as if it was a legit goal. And then he told his team, he's like, hey, celebrate with me or the referee isn't going to allow it. He pulled like a reverse psychology. Yeah, like, hey, if we celebrate, they're going to think it's real. We have to act like we won. Yeah, yeah.

22:18 That's crazy. And so they celebrate it. They celebrated the goal as if it was legitimate. Because then if they go back on it, then the crowd will also be so upset. Yeah. And like today, they would have gone back on it. Oh, yeah. Today, there's no way. Honestly, they should have not allowed it. Never allowed it. If we're being real. Yeah, if we're being real, it should have been disallowed. Was it amazing? Yeah. How the referee didn't see is beyond me. But again, there was a VAR. Right. He might have not looked... I don't know. With his eyes. With all the, like, immediately all the English players are, like, pointing at their hands, like, hey, hey. And he's just like, no, goal, goal.

22:59 And so they celebrate. It was allowed. Four minutes. Four minutes. After that hand of God goal, Maradona scored what would be known as the goal of the century. It was voted the goal of the century in 2002. Damn. Also epic to watch. I need to watch that. I haven't seen that one. It's insane. It's insane. So Maradona gets the ball inside of Argentina's half of the field, basically. He then dashes past four English players, like just like fainting them. Like, nope, nope, you're not getting this ball from me. For a total of 60 yards, he goes from there, from the midfield up to... England's goal area.

23:47 It's a lot. Yeah. They just cannot keep up with him. He's too fast. He's too good. It's the cocaine. He runs up to the goal box and instead of scoring from where he was, which is what everyone thought he was going to do. So he's like running up to the goalie, right? The goalie thinks he's going to kick from where he is. The goalie runs to stop him. He faints the goalkeeper. So he pretends to go this way. He goes the other way. And goes past Peter Shulton, the goalkeeper, and scores. Damn. It's insane. Making the game 2-0. It's really, again, amazing to watch. Even if it was 1-0, they still would have won. No, of course. Well, if he hadn't scored that, they would have tied. And maybe it would have gone into extra time. And who knows?

24:35 Because Argentina was getting visibly tired towards the end of the game. And then in 81, Gary Leinecker, who was another legendary English player, he scored, making it 2-1. Oh, I see. But they were unable to, you know, like make that equalizer, to make it a 2-2, to go into it. It didn't happen. So it was 2-1. And Argentina went on to win the game and eventually win the World Cup. They beat Germany after that and they won that World Cup. And so, the hand of God. About the hand of God goal, Maradona said at a post-game conference that the goal was scored with, quote, un poco con la cabeza de Maradona y otro poco con la mano de Dios, end quote. Más o menos la mano de Maradona. Yeah, he said a little bit with the head of Maradona and another little bit with the hand of God, which then is how the goal became known to be as the hand of God. Some say it was actually a Mexican journalist who wrote this and that Maradona himself didn't read it. I could believe that. No, yeah, we have a way with words. So yeah, it could have been. Either way, it's known as a hand of God because of that sentence. Later, in a 2019 documentary, Maradona would go on to say, quote, I knew it was my hand. It wasn't my plan, but the action happened so fast that the linesman didn't see me putting my hand in. The referee looked at me and said, go.

26:05 It was a nice feeling. It was a nice feeling, like some sort of symbolic revenge against the English, end quote. And he would go on to say that he could have only gotten away with this against England, that it wouldn't have worked against any other team. Maybe. Yeah. Also about the hand of God goal, Cesar Luis Menotti, who was the manager of the 1978 argentina national team that won the world cup wait what he was so oh okay okay yeah he was a manager of 1978 at the last team who won yeah the last world cup um he said about the hand of god quote it is better much better that the goal was so unfair so cruel because that hurt the english more end quote oh my god they're just like rubbing it in huh no they really were Then about the second goal, Maradona would also go on to say that he could have only made that run against England because they are so noble.

27:05 They're the most noble team. And the other team would have followed him to prevent that run. And that is true. Honestly, they are, huh? They like play very opposite of Argentina style. I think it's one of the reasons people are so like... Whenever I think any South American team plays, they play dirty. They do. It's just how it is. Just the style. And then people get so mad, especially American soccer fans. Oh, yeah. And it's like... Well, I want to speak out of my ass, but there's not really a soccer culture here, you know? It's been growing, but it's nothing compared to other places. Yeah. And it's just the fact that con mi bol, that's how they play. And I remember we were talking about it with Dawn, who helps with the Spooky Toss. And I think me and her both were at the same time. That's just how South America plays. Yeah.

27:51 Because people were getting so mad about Uruguay or Paraguay. I don't remember who it was anymore. I feel like it was Uruguay, but I'm not sure. Yeah. Yeah. Point is, that's how they play. And Maradona was right for this quote because any other team would have fouled him. Yeah. Anyway. And so also after the game, Maradona said, quote, although we have said before the game that football had nothing to do with the Malvinas war, we knew they had killed a lot of Argentine boys there, killed them like little birds. And this was revenge. End quote. They used Las Malvinas to rile themselves up against the England team before the game. And then after the game, he said this.

28:37 This is why it's a political match. If you're like, why are you talking about this? This is why. They made it. And that's just how it is. And yeah, that was one of the most political games ever. Argentina versus England 1.0. because of like everything I just mentioned. But especially when you hear the context of the Argentina team saying like, oh, well, they beat, this was revenge or nobody deserved this more than the England team or like they all said different things like that. But this leads me to the 2026 World Cup, where again, Argentina and England faced each other during a quarterfinal in which England lost. It was like time repeated itself or history repeated itself. And I can't remember if it was before, after the game, or even maybe both before and after.

29:30 But Argentina players were seen with signs that read Las Malvinas son de Argentina. Yeah, I saw them before, like before and during. Okay. um and so yeah if you saw that and you're like riley what does this even mean this hopefully this episode kind of explains what that sign meant like yeah even though it's long over the war is long over if that war is the deciding factor of who Las Malvinas belongs to. Argentina has no claim over Las Malvinas, right? And yet, 2026, they're still saying that. Yeah. So that's why it was such a big deal. I feel like it's also a callback to the fascist state of things. I would agree. Because Argentina, yet again, finds themselves in fascism. Yes, under, uh, Millet. Yeah. Sorry, I was confusing. I was trying to think which Latin American dictator. I was going to say Millet, but I was waiting for you to finish. It's because I was, uh, yeah, I was thinking, like, gas. Well, because Fujimoto has, uh, spread again. I know, it's too much. Fujimoto 2.0, uh, cast, uh, that's all I can remember. There's more. Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

30:51 The OG this round, uh, of fascism. Whoever just got, uh, Elected in Colombia. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I feel that it is a, if not a dog whistle, just a big glaring red flag saying, hey, remember the dictatorship? Let's return to that because that's when Las Malvinas, that's when it was ours or that's when we tried to make it ours last. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it really goes to show to me the, how would I describe it? The thin... red line, I don't know, but the thin line, the connection between patriotism and fascism, right? Yes. Nationalism, like all of it. Um, and, and then throw football in there. Yeah. Yeah. It's all, uh, yeah, it's all related.

31:43 It's all part of a, I feel like Charlie from, uh, it's always sending fun stuff, but with the big board behind him, all the lines connecting. Yeah. It's like one line. No, for sure. One, one little thing on the board will be fascism. One other thing will be soccer. Another thing will be Argentina, Las Malvinas. And then the, dictatorship and now melee yeah yes no exactly um also i know we talked about it last episode argentina was under like a lot of like public scrutiny yes during the world cup yeah but this tends to happen almost every world cup because frisbee music argentina fans are just like the loudest about being racist oh oh Let's not forget they're not the only ones. No, and I think that's the thing that bothered me the most when it was happening. Obviously, I joined the hate train, but the hate train has always been there for other Latin American countries, right? It's normal. Yeah, because we know how they are. And yet we are the same in all the countries, right? So it's kind of like silly. Argentina is racist because Latin America is racist. Right.

32:43 And I think the thing that bothers me is like, it's like when you're with your family, you're making fun of your cousin, but then some random person makes fun of your cousin. You're like, bitch, only I can make fun of my cousin. Yeah. And then all of a sudden we saw people from the United States thinking that they pot me kettle, bitch. What do you mean? Yeah. So that's what bothered me about that whole discourse. Exactly. So, yeah, I just like I was like, let me just also add that. Yes, we mentioned Argentina and their anti-blackness, but that's not to say. excuse everyone else of their anti-blackness no argentina is anti-black because all of latin america is anti-black because the world is anti-black right uh that doesn't mean that black people are not in these countries right they of course have always been and uh what brought them there well different things right right colonialism the slave trade um so yeah we're we're not trying to excuse the rest of latin america uh by calling out or talking about argentina's racism which for some reason is always at the forefront of world cup games right and they are very blatant about it yeah yeah but even so mexico had like a few viral clips making fun of asian fans uh korean fans making like racist gestures uh They, however, do face accountability, at least because that guy who did that, he was found and he was fired from his job.

34:12 And I don't know that that happens in Argentina. I don't think so. I don't know. I don't know. And that's not to say because then, you know, people, for whatever reason, people started saying that about Argentina and then it just kind of got blown up. And then people were starting to say like, oh, everyone is like that. And of course not. Of course not. We've talked about leftist movements, Las Madres de la Plaza de Mayo, Las Abuelas. Like, obviously, there's always been, not everyone is right-winged and racist and all that. And that's like, if you say that about Argentina, you could very much say that about the U.S. and people get offended. Oh, yeah. Like when you talk about the South. Not all of us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like, okay, well, if you're saying it about one place, why doesn't it apply to this fucking shithole of a country?

34:58 It's like the old famous saying of you point one finger and there's three fingers pointing back at you. Exactly, exactly. But yeah, that was just a little bit of context about Las Malvinas. I'm kind of glad we talked about this because I was kind of missing the soccer viewer. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm getting my soccer... fixed through Liga MX and I've thought about watching some other the women's no no no well the women's World Cup hasn't happened yet it's starting next year right well yeah the World Cup is next year and they're qualifying they're doing qualifying matches still Mexico's is in October the Philippines world the Philippines national women's team qualified already the men's did not qualify for the World Cup so it's exciting Yeah, women. The U.S., I think, I don't know, actually. They're usually really good, I think. No, no, no. Yeah, I was trying to remember if their match has happened or if it has yet to happen. I don't remember.

36:01 Because like the World Cup, the Men's World Cup, I will also be rooting only for Mexico. But yeah, anything else to add before we end this? Um, no, just that we are back, baby. We are back. And, um, yeah. All right. Well, in that case, I hope that the context of Las Malvinas is one less story unknown for you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Historias Unknown is produced by Carmen and Christina, researched by Carmen and Christina, edited by Christina. You can find sources for every episode at historiasunknown.com and in our show notes.

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