A Brief (and recent) History of Border Patrol and ICE Abuse

0:10 Hi everyone, this is Carmen. And Christina. And this is Historias Unknown, a podcast where we talk about Latin American history, sometimes it's horrible, and deals with heavy topics like racism, corruption, and genocide. But more than that, it's also about resistance, power, and community. All right, it's been a while, but we are back. We are on track. Sort of. We're trying, we're trying. What are we talking about today? Well, today... We're going to be breaking down a report published by the Ohio Immigrant Alliance about sexual and physical abuse perpetrated by ICE and Border Patrol agents. Oh, so not history. What will be future history? Current history. Well, it's going to be history in the future, but it's in the making right now and it's depressing. Current event, future history. Yeah. Hopefully, you know, in the future... Students are going to learn about the atrocities that ICE and Border Patrol did from their inception the way that we learn about the Nazis.

1:12 I sure hope so. I hope so. What can we dream? That is my dream. Yeah. For all of this to be known, publicly available information that one does not have to dig for, you know. Yes. Yes. And it's very on topic to what we have talked about before, Border Patrol and how much they fucking suck. Yeah, like if you're listening, this is your first episode. I think that this would be a really good pairing if you want to be like so mad and so angry and upset. Listen to like, what was it? Three or four episodes. I think it was like four or five. I'm off. Listen to the four or five episode series that Carmen did that was like the history of Border Patrol and then add this one like together all. Yeah. And then you also right after the Border Patrol episode, series you did the one on operation oh what was it called wetback yeah no no it was a more current like uh in texas lone star yes yeah yeah but that would be like hours of depressing listening so it would be very heavy yeah and so yeah i know none of this will be surprising to most of our listeners because our listeners are based But I think even if we already know the depravity of these people, but I think this report is like a whole nother level on top of that. So I think there is room to be shocked. No. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was shocked. And yeah,

2:42 I know how horrible these people and agencies are. Very upsetting. Very informative. Yeah. And I haven't seen too much of it being shared. So I figured why not? I didn't know about it until you shared. informed me. Yeah, and I know I found it on Substack, but I don't remember how, like, which, um, Substacker? That's not a word. But which account am I staying in? No. Yeah, I don't remember, but here it is. Okay. So, yeah, let's get into it. The analysis found that of the 152 cases that were investigated, 86% were charged with or convicted of sex offenses. More than half targeted children and most remained employed with Border Patrol and ICE after these offenses came to light. So of these 152 cases in the report, most involved sexual harassment or assault in one way or another. Yeah.

3:45 Most involved children, more than half involved children. And most of these ICE and Border Patrol agents are still employed. Or remained employed because it goes back years, remained employed until they retired in some cases. Yes. So for those Save the Children people, for those who, for whatever reason, believe that ISIS is protecting our communities, they are the worst of the worst. Yeah, they are the worst of the worst. They really are. Like, truly, they are like depraved people. And they always have been. Sick, depraved people since their inception. And it's only continued. And now their child, Ice, is as equally depraved. Yeah. And honestly, they're like one in the same, equally depraved. Right, right. They just say they're child because Ice is in humor. No, I know.

4:36 But really, they're like brothers. Brothers in being horrible. Yeah. Where was I? The report also found a pattern of little vetting, little training and no accountability, which only worsened under Trump. But has always been there. Yes. And we'll talk about that and have before as well. Yeah, we have. Many of these cases only came to light because of the brave women and children who were victimized by these agents. And some of these victims include women like Jen Budd, who worked for Border Patrol and was raped at the academy during training. It's part of like hazing. Right. Like she has said in her multiple appearances that she's made that the raping of a woman cadet or whatever they're called in training is part. It's like they say it's part of their training, like for them to go through that.

5:33 So that's. who's out there, quote unquote, protecting our borders. Rapists. They're telling the women that for whatever reason want to join Border Patrol. They're telling them, yeah, you're not real Border Patrol until you're raped by one of us. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And now Jen is a whistleblower and an immigration advocate. And she's mentioned throughout the report because she does a lot of work with organizations like these. Mm-hmm. The alliance was prompted to look into the abusive conduct of immigration enforcement agents after they noticed a disturbing trend of Cincinnati ICE agents committing sexual or violent offenses against women, including the case of ICE agent David Brouillette, who killed Johan Sebastian in Biddeford, Maine. Wait, he is in this report? Yes.

6:27 With the previous case that does not involve Johan? No, after Johan was killed, they were like, wait, this keeps happening. Let's look into him. And they found his history of violence. Okay, I get it now. Yes. Soon after the murder, David's along and documented a history of racism, domestic violence, brain injuries. And I say brain injuries because there is research and science that shows that people with TBIs and brain injuries have different I guess, cognitive abilities and that affects their like anger and their behavior. And so there's like this, uh, propensity for violence. Yes. We also see that with the football players and the. Right. Like, um, Oh, boxers. I thought it had a name with like, uh, it does.

7:15 It doesn't, I can't remember. It's not a, but TBI essentially. Yeah. But there's another name that I'm not remembering that. Like I remember it came to, uh, Headlines a lot because, or it came to the forefront during the Aaron Rodriguez. Aaron Hernandez. Hernandez, oops. During the Aaron Hernandez murders. Murder, I don't remember. Because after he died and they did the autopsy, they found that he had that. Whatever that is, yes. TBI type injury that I cannot remember specifically what it's called. Is it like CTE or something? Oh, yeah, yeah. Something like that, isn't it? I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm laughing. Anyway, we're moving on. Yeah. And then along with that, he also had a history of bipolar disorder. Wow. And they found all that out after he killed Johan. For another organization, these would be disqualifiers. Right. Yeah. Right. You would think they should be disqualifiers. Right. Yeah. One of his ex-wives, Ashley Brouillette, didn't even believe David had become an ICE agent because of his mental instability. So when he called her, like when he first joined ICE, she was like, there's no way they would let you be an ICE agent. Well, sure enough, it didn't matter. This Brouillette fellow, he was also like a Marine or Army reservist, no? Or something like that? He had like been working stints. I think he was a veteran. And then he had stints working

8:45 like in different law enforcement capacities. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know if he was like a, I don't know specifically if he was like a reservist. It's just not like any time that there was like mentions of someone being a veteran and they went on to do this. I need to point it out. You need to what? I need to point it out. Oh, well, yeah. Because people are out here like, well, I'm not going to go into Iran, you know. Caping for the military, bedding their ass backwards for the military, licking their boots. Yeah. Oftentimes people say, oh, and they were a veteran. Like if it's a good thing when it's actually a red flag. Yes. Sorry, veterans. As a veteran. I can say this. And as a sister to a veteran. As a human citizen of the United States and the world, I can say that. We can all say that. And it's true. It's true. So sorry.

9:36 I just needed to say that and whatever. Allowed. Allowed. Valid. Valid. As you say. Both of his ex-wives filed restraining orders against him. The records were available to DHS. Either DHS never looked into it or overlooked that if they did, it didn't matter. He was hired. It was actually a qualifier for them. They saw that and they're like, yes, we want him. Right. And that just feels like we're just, no, it does. Yeah. And that's just one example. The Alliance found that several of the agents they looked at had documented histories of criminal activity. dangerous and predatory behavior that should have disqualified them from holding any law enforcement position.

10:21 And yet it did not. And let's talk about the case that prompted this report. It wasn't David, but someone else. The case of Samuel Saxon. He was the assistant field office director for the ICE office in Cincinnati. And by the time of his arrest, he had been abusing his partner for at least eight years. Throughout various states, like they had moved, you know, to different states during those eight years. And there was like a recorded, documented police response to their home, arrest and whatnot. Oh, wow. During those eight years, he had strangled her many times. And I don't know if we have talked about it, probably over at Spooky Tales, because we talk about domestic violence cases sometimes over there. But strangulation is one of the most dangerous things. behaviors a domestic violence perpetrator can do and it's like the predecessor yeah i couldn't think of the word but yeah right like it's what they do right before they kill their victims very scary and he had strangled her many times he had broken her nose and her pelvis oh my god which required surgery which means there's like documentation like of this he broke her pelvis yeah The police had responded to his home because of domestic violence calls in Ohio 23 times in less than a year and a half. 23 times, yeah, in

11:51 18 months. That's crazy. That's like more than once a month. One of his bosses even called a welfare check on him when he didn't show up for work. And when law enforcement came to his house, he was like holding a knife. I don't know what came with that, about that or from that. I don't know what came from that. And like one would think that these are things that get you fired. These are fireable behaviors and offenses. Yeah. Yeah. They should be. Because like in a lot of places, supposedly domestic abusers that are convicted, they cannot use a weapon. Right. But this man, he's a weapon of the state. Yes. And his supervisor even described him as a loose cannon.

12:35 And then besides all that, he also had a DUI. And despite all of that, he was continuously promoted instead of being fired. Promoted. And it wasn't until his arrest from one, I guess from the last domestic violence incident that happened that his neighbor called. Because whenever his ex-partner would go to the police, they would just ignore her. She was an immigrant, half his age. She was an immigrant, half his age? Yeah. Yeah. She was an adult, but, you know, there's still power aspects there, right? Yeah. Power differentials, I should say. So he was a board patrol or ICE? ICE.

13:17 He was the assistant field office director for the ICE office in Cincinnati. That's right. OK. And so this assistant field director for the ICE office in Cincinnati was married to an immigrant half his age. Yeah. Was domestically abusing her. And when she sought help from the police, they ignored her. Nothing was done. And it wasn't until the neighbor called. He almost killed her and he was arrested. And he's been incarcerated since late 2025. I will also, I mean, I'm sure you will mention it at some point in your notes, but like most Border Patrol or ICE officers that are like arrested is because of like things they've done outside of the job. Because in the job, they're allowed to like shoot and kill people. Whoever, as we've seen time and time again. Yeah, time and time again.

14:06 This week alone. Right? Hasn't it been this week? Yes. Let me check. Yeah. Within the last week. And so today's what? The 24th? Yeah. Within the last week, ICE agents shot 28-year-old Wilber Rafael Garces Perez from behind on his neck in Austin, Texas. Then they ran over 28-year-old Edgar Cabrera Gomez in Albany, Georgia. And then they attempted to, oh, yeah, they basically forced someone into crashing because they tried to kidnap him and he tried to run away. That was Mario David Coronado Juarez. And then another 36-year-old, Carlos Josue Marchena, died under ICE custody. That's all within four days. Truly fucking disgusting. Like, I'm so fucking sick of this. Yeah.

15:00 And no one will be held accountable for any of this. The data set that the Alliance looked into, like I said before, includes 152 individuals. All are male, except for one. Oh, really? Yeah, and I didn't see anything about that case, but... Okay. Almost all engaged in violent criminal activity while employed by DHS agencies, so I say Border Patrol. The cases spanned from 1982 to 2026. 1982. Yeah, 1982 to 2026. And they stopped in August just because they needed to publish this report. They needed to stop at some point because if they didn't, they were just going to add and add more cases. Yes. Yeah. And as soon as they stopped it, it was out of date because like I think two or three more agents had been arrested for some fucking heinous shit. The offenses among the 152 cases Cases ranged from DUIs with kids in the car to distribution and production of child sexual abuse material to serial rape and murder. So a wide range of things going on here. One of the worst things found was that the largest offense... Well, like, one of the worst things to me was that one of the largest offenses found among these cases... And I said it already, but the majority of these cases were sex offenses against children. And

16:30 many of the men were high ranking border patrol officials. Some were not high ranking, but all abused their positions of power. One of these men that I want to highlight because it was pre-Trump and there is a collective delusion going on that immigration enforcement only became inhumane and abusive under Trump. And that is simply not the case. Right. So there's like so many politicians out there who are like Trump's ICE, Trump's ICE. And it's like, no, ICE has always been ICE. And Border Patrol before ICE. Yeah. Both of them. Right. So there is no Trump's ICE, Trump's Border Patrol. It's all one in the same. Yeah. So this man is Michael Allen Lewis. In 1992, the Human Rights Watch, which back then was called America's Watch, documented how Michael's career was marked with death and destruction, and yet he was only ever disciplined for throwing an immigrant's bicycle into a river, which is a gross thing to do in general anyway. But that was the least of the shit that he did. Wow. And this is about to get really horrible. Michael went through a teenager named Ismael Ramirez headfirst into concrete, killing him. Oh my God.

17:46 As a result, the federal government agreed to pay Ismail's family $ 650 a month for 20 years, but Michael remained in the Border Patrol. Michael also killed a man with his Border Patrol car while speeding, but was cleared of vehicular manslaughter charges. Then later that same month, he injured another man while speeding, again in the Border Patrol vehicle. And somehow, instead of being disciplined in any capacity, Michael was assigned to teach driving at the academy. So his students could also speed and kill people. He was probably teaching them how to do that thing to force people into chasing them. Yeah, how to say that other people weaponized their vehicles so that they could then kill people. Yeah.

18:33 The LA Times reported that Michael was named in at least two federal abuse complaints stemming from raids in the Central Valley. Central Valley of California, I should say. I was going to say the Central Valley of California. I'm sorry. To me, there's only one Central Valley. Yeah. No, I mean, same. But yeah, here in California. And the complaints and the lawsuits settled for a combined $ 18, 000. And nothing ever happened to Michael. He worked in Border Patrol for 16 years, retired in Florida. 16 years? Mm-hmm. These people get to kill with... Impunity and then retire. Yeah, and then retire. To sunny, sunshine states. Mm-hmm. Although Florida... I don't know.

19:18 I don't know. Some people say it's sunny and I'm sure parts of it are nice. Yeah. And while it's true that Border Patrol and ICE have been committing crimes during every presidency, it can't be ignored that the Trump administration's rapid hiring, shortcuts and background checks, dismantling of accountability structures and obstruction of oversight have worsened the situation. And all of these things were going on before, but now they're worse. Yeah. And so like, what does that even say? Right. Like, you know, who even knew it could get worse? It was already in the fucking gutter. Yeah. And then now it's like. Despite only covering five and a half years of the time span that the alliance looked into, Trump's presidencies accounted for 40.8% of the cases. Like, like that's how much worse. Yeah. Yeah. So it is a lot worse.

20:11 I don't want to minimize that. No, of course. Yeah. But we should also note that during the Obama years, abuse by immigration enforcement was also rampant. According to an ACLU report, the Border Patrol behaved in a truly monstrous way. That's like their quotes, their words. And through reviewing documents obtained via FOIA, Freedom of Information Act request. Yeah. Mm hmm. That's what I can remember. I'm like, FOIA, FOIA request. But yeah, through that request, they found that between the years 2009 to 2014, so the Obama years, quote, the immigration enforcement system had been plagued by brutality and lawlessness long before Trump was elected. So yeah, and they found rampant physical and sexual violence perpetrated by officers while on the job against adults and children. So the same. The same, now just more. Yeah. Yeah. Because the minimal oversight there was is gone. Right, right. More recently, in 2023, John Jacob Olivas, an ICE agent in California, was sentenced to life in prison for sexually assaulting two women. He told his victims that being an ICE agent made him invincible and that he could have them arrested if he wanted.

21:32 At a higher level, Michael Banks. Do you recognize that name at all? Vaguely. He was the national chief of Border Patrol. And I don't know if you remember this. It was in the news probably like around the springtime. But he bragged about how he was engaging in sex tourism, basically. Do you remember this? I do remember this now. Yeah. Yeah. And before that, he was internally investigated numerous times, even under ones under Cristino. But then like the investigations came to an abrupt stop. I don't know if they were ordered by her to stop or what. I don't know. And a former Border Patrol agent, once he became the national chief of the Border Patrol, a former agent said, I don't know how he became the chief of the Border Patrol with his character. He's going to third world countries to take advantage of poor fucking women, which disgusts the hell out of me. So he was just like bragging about all this shit. But anyway, he resigned earlier this year after the Washington Examiner published the story. about the second internal investigation against him, which was about the allegations of sex tourism. And so they brought that to light.

22:45 In 2022, another top Border Patrol official, Tony Barkin, then the Border Patrol's third ranking official, so back then, resigned after a female subordinate disclosed that Tony pressured her for sexual favors and threatened to falsely accuse her of misconduct if she refused. Then four of her co-workers came forward with similar allegations. Wow. So he was pressuring the woman who worked under him to perform sexual favors, which is normal. It's common in the Border Patrol. You know what that reminded me of? That case of the policewoman that everyone treated as a joke. And she was being sexually abused by everyone in her fucking unit. And they were like, oh, what a hoe. And I'm like, does nobody see what's actually happening? No, of course they don't. She's pressured into doing this. coerced it's abuse like her husband stayed by her side not that that should be a good or bad thing but because he knew she was abused yeah in this society and to get as a sign the levels of misogyny like it's just out of control sorry i was just watching i'm gonna cut this but i was just watching broad city she's going on some random like she's at the guy she's dating um she doesn't well it's like hooking up with not dating it's his birthday but she's at a dinner and she's just going on and on about like the patriarchal rape culture of this country and then she's like I'm gonna go to

24:15 after her whole ranch she's like I'm gonna go to the little girl's room and she's like oh my god I just did it that's rape culture right there and I am participating in it so that's like something I would do no but yeah it's like rape culture and even in I didn't include it here because it would be so long but they talk about the larger when I have to keep it in because it ties in with what I'm going to say. Um, but, um, they talk about the rape culture in the United States, culture of misogyny, racism and white supremacy and how all of those things affect the border patrol as well. Like these things are exist in the border patrol, but they also exist at large in our society. And I would say they, they exist in a society and that they are like in a hyper state in these, um, Organizations like Border Patrol, like the military, like law enforcement. Yeah. Fraternities. Yeah. Which are militaristic in a sense. The hazing. Yeah. The Guardian even found that at least six customs and border protection officers had personal relationships with Epstein and they helped facilitate travel to and from his private island. Six. Border Patrol customs agents had ties to Epstein. Yes. Yeah. It's like someone, and I feel like I've only seen a few people talking about this, like Jen Budd, but somebody had to be facilitating travel to and from his private island, which

25:48 was not in the United States, right? It was in the Virgin Islands or I don't know, but there was someone monitoring and he didn't only travel right within the United States. It was like all over the world. So someone had to be facilitating travel. the travel and allowing minors to travel with him, right? Someone had to be doing that. Right. And who was it? It was Border Patrol. Yes, no, 100%. But this is what I understand the least about these so-called right-wingers who are like, save the children, because these are the people endangering and abusing the children, the people that they are supporting. But they are abusing children that they don't see as important. like immigrant children. One of these six agents, Timothy Bill Ruch or Rouch, I'm not sure how you say it, but it's spelled R-O-U-T-C-H. If anyone wants to look this man up. He even said, everyone knew I was friends with Jeffrey Epstein. I have been to his house, been on his boat and flew in a helicopter for a while watching. And there's another woman who Jen Butt has talked about in her YouTube videos, woman of border patrol, official, whatever. There's like multiple pictures of her with Epstein and emails where she's like asking him for money, potentially as a favor in return, right? For, you know what I mean? Allowing, and she maintained communication

27:19 with him even after she left the war patrol, that woman. I can't, I can't. Because like these same people, again, supposedly the Epstein files is what unites the left and the right. But the right are still defending the people who enable and abuse. Like that dumb bitch. What's her stupid fucking name? Megan, whatever the fuck. Is that her name? I don't remember. That dumb ass bitch who used to be on Fox News. She used to be on Fox News. Turns out she was being sexually harassed or abused there. And then in Trump 1.0, he said something about her.

27:59 he called her like a bitch or something about her period. And she was all like, and now she's like a shill. She was all mad back then, but now she's a shill for him. And she's making excuses for Trump and Epstein. And she's the one that probably like last year, earlier this year, when, uh, there was clips going around from her stupid fucking show where she's all excusing like, Oh, Epstein didn't like, uh, minors. We're not talking about seven year olds. We're talking about 16 year olds, 17 year olds. Like, if that's fine. Yeah. Like, even if that was an adult woman, he was trafficking. He was sexually abusing them. But these are women from poor, impoverished backgrounds. So to them, they're trash. So they don't care. No. And it's not only the Border Patrol and ICE. It's also the companies that contract with them. Because you have to be an absolutely disgusting piece of shit to work in this field in any capacity. Yeah. this employee from the GEO group, G-E-O, Brandon Booth. So he was working at an ICE detention facility in Aurora, Colorado. And he drew his gun on two women protesting the facility after getting into an argument with them. And he shot one of them before fleeing the scene. And he was later charged with attempted second degree murder. Other ICE contractors like David Curvell, Joseph Taunton, Edwin Rodriguez, and Robert Luis Loya sexually abused detainees in

29:34 ICE custody. The report found that both Border Patrol and ICE had high rates of sex offenses. but Border Patrol cases were more likely to involve underage victims. Border Patrol also accounted for four-fifths out of all the cases. But that's probably because Border Patrol has been around much longer than ICE. And ICE is quickly catching up. Yeah. The report also found that while many agents victimized their family members, many used their jobs to commit crimes. This was found to be the case in 45.4% of the cases the alliance looked at. The kinds of offenses included assaults on people in custody, exploitation of immigrants encountered on patrol, abuse of youth in programs supervised by agents, as well as crimes committed utilizing government computers, vehicles, and databases. And to give some examples, Daniel Alfredo Speer, a Border Patrol agent in California, arrested a woman and her daughter and then sexually assaulted them. Fernando Saucedo II assaulted two teen sisters who were in Border Patrol custody. Shane Millen ordered women to expose themselves during border inspections, falsely leading them to believe that it was a part of a normal lawful search.

30:53 Agents Rodolfo Zuniga and Keith Hook used government computers to access child sexual abuse material, while Rodolfo Green tapped law enforcement databases to stalk women. And he later killed another woman, but that was like not one of the women he was stalking. It was like a separate incident. And the list goes on and on and on. Then there are the serial predators and killers like Juan David Ortiz, who we covered for an episode of Spooky Tales. I think we did. He was the one. Yeah, we did. He was a Border Patrol agent in Texas and he killed four sex workers because he was supposedly getting rid of them to clean up the streets, even though he was utilizing their services. And he was also a veteran. Oh, yeah, he was. And wasn't he like Mormon? No, I made that part up. No, no, he was. I had the same reaction during the episode. Yeah. Last time. Yeah. My bad.

31:50 My bad. As one can probably guess, the border states account for most of these cases with Texas in the lead. Texas accounted for 30.9% of the 152 cases. Arizona with 19.7% and then California with 13.2. Texas also had the highest amount of immigration agents committing sex offenses against children with Arizona in number two. And like we said already, many were never held accountable. For example, in 2010, Ernesto Padron, a Border Patrol agent in Brownsville, Texas, was charged with possession of child sexual abuse material and for attempting to destroy a hard drive. But the case went nowhere. And actually, the prosecutor handling the case was indicted for racketeering. So he was corrupt as well. Oh my God. And in 2013, the case was dismissed because it reached statute of limitations.

32:49 Then around 2018, Ernesto began working as a case manager at a shelter for unaccompanied children in Brownsville. Oh my fucking God. Someone who should have never had access to children, right? The company operating the shelter fired him once they found out about his past. And it's not known whether he abused children while working there, but while the time he was working there, the agency was facing accusations of sexual abuse in their facilities. So he could have, right? Yeah. And if it wasn't him, it was men like him. Interestingly, the report found that white offenders had the highest sex offender rate and the highest rates of crimes against children.

33:30 That is interesting. A quote from a certain... president in office comes to mind about how Mexico or was it El Salvador? Mexico. Mexico, right? Some of these countries was not saying their best. Well, he said he has said it about El Salvador too. They're not saying their best. They're sending the criminals, the rapists. I mean, he might have even said child abusers, but it sounds like they're actually from here. Sounds like they are. Yeah. Hmm. Hmm. The Ohio Immigrant Alliance rightfully called out the complicity of Congress for the ongoing abuse from Border Patrol on ICE, given that in June of this year, it awarded DHS, who oversees these agencies, with no strings attached, $ 70 billion, even after being aware of everything and of the many who had died at the hands of ICE by June.

34:31 By June, which has only gone up since. At the time, recording September 23rd, 2026. The alliance had recommendations for Congress. They had like solutions and recommendations, but not in the report. And their recommendations for Congress included to freeze ICE and Border Patrol budgets and hiring, implementing real vetting and accountability measures, creating a system that operates civilly for law enforcement agencies to screen against domestic violence history, affiliations with extremist views and patterns of bias, making discriminatory conduct and violence, a fireable offense. I'm sorry. And making discriminatory conduct and violence, a fireable offense. But we, we have our own recommendation.

35:22 And what is that? Abolish. Yes. I know that's right. Uh, That's the only real solution here. They've already tried reforming many, many, many times. And it has never worked. And nothing. Yeah, no. But yeah, the thing that pissed me off the most was what you were just saying now. They keep talking about the worst of the worst. ICE going after the worst of the worst. Yeah, they're going after the criminals. Bitch, they are the criminals. They are the criminals. Yeah. They're victimizing, violating, raping, killing, molesting children, producing child sexual abuse material, stalking women, running people over, shooting them on their backs when they're running away. Countless, horrible, heinous fucking shit. And then they're acting like death squads, kidnapping people on the fucking street. And then they're starving people at their ICE attentions. And then they keep getting money.

36:30 And it's like, all right, fine. Blame what Democrats always do. Blame the Republicans. All right, you're giving them money too. You're always in your hands giving them money. They literally just get out of how much money? And now they're talking about like getting electric shocking gloves, robot dogs. Again, these technologies are already being used elsewhere, right? Like a past sign. all the things, all the depraved technologies used in Palestine then make their way to our borders, which then makes their way into the cities, which is what's happening right now. And then now they're talking about quote-unquote mobile detention centers, which are just like bigger vans for them to stick more people in. Right? Like, I don't know the difference between these mobile detention centers and the detention centers they already have. They're just like, they're just more detention centers that I guess they can move around.

37:23 But it's like they've already always been making makeshift detention centers. Like, Oh, yeah. Yeah. Always. Again, Elysian Park in L.A. was a detention center during Operation Wetback. El Paso, Fort Bliss, they had like a random detention center that they opened up because of people fleeing the Mexican Revolution. And that is actually where. What's the detention? They have a detention center. Oh, yeah. An actual one. I don't remember the name. Yeah. So I don't remember the name either because there's so many. Yeah. Unfortunately. um and sorry what upset what's not obsessing what annoys me the most is that then people are like germany had these and it's like stop stop looking to germany look within inside the call look within because the call is coming from inside the house these things have already always been happening here they just have they just haven't been happening to people like renee good um Until now. And now they start saying, oh, look, look at Germany. No, look at the U.S. Yeah. And and then like we said throughout this episode and we have said numerous times like this. This has been happening even under Democratic administrations because Democrats are Republican light. They are not here for us.

38:49 And yes, it's important to vote, but that's not, you know, the end and be all like that's can't be the only thing we do. This problem is not going to get solved by going out and voting this November because Democrats also fund this buy into this and push for this. Ms. Harris was out here, you know, saying she finding same messaging about strong. Do you remember that the Central Americans don't come? And why are people coming? Like, we cannot forget that, right? People are coming here because the United States has meddled in their countries since the dawn of time. They have destroyed their economies. They have pushed for civil wars. uh they have no neoliberal policies capitalism and that's why that's why we're here you think i want to be here no bitch i was born here because the united states was in mexico because they were in el salvador funding death squads mind you Yeah. Funding that squads that were already known to have been committing human rights violations left and right. And still they were given the money. Yeah.

39:57 And so no one gets to tell me, go back to where you're from. This is where I'm from because of you. Oh, and then there's people like, so what's the solution? What's the solution? Just let everyone in? I mean, I think we have a responsibility as the United States to let the people in who we have fucked up their countries and who we don't allow to fix their countries. Because it behooves the United States, behooves to destabilize their countries because of capitalism. Yeah, but then they can't do that because then they have to admit everything they're doing. And that they have never stopped doing. But we should end this before we go on and on about the same thing. Right. No, that was a good place to end it because this, it's all tied together. But yeah, I do encourage everyone to read the full report because it's way beyond from what I shared. There's more to it. Yes. Yes. Yeah, it's expansive, infuriating. And I think what I would encourage people, if they start feeling discouraged, one, you can always, I don't know, there's so many people being detained right now and it's so easy to find verified GoFundMes to help all those people obtain lawyers to try and get them out of the detention centers. Um, so I always find

41:29 that it feels better to just go directly to those and like five, $ 10. Yeah. It goes a long way. And if not reposting, reposting information about this. And don't be angry alone, be angry in community and find a group that's already helping, you know? Yeah. There's so many, there's so many groups, which we have said before, but yeah, there's so many groups out there advocating for immigrant rights. Um, so there's got, there's bound to be a local one near you, more than one. And yeah, other than that, we hope that this is Historia Unknown for you. Bye. Bye. Historia Unknown is produced by Carmen and Christina, researched by Carmen and Christina, edited by Christina. You can find sources for every episode at historiasunknown.com and in our show notes.

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