March 13, 2025

Lolita Lebron: Part Two

Lolita Lebron: Part Two

On March 1, 1954, four Puerto Rican Nationalists opened fire on the house of Representatives chamber at the US Capitol. They were led by Lolita Lebron, a woman who some see as a hero and others as a terrorist.

Cristina tells Carmen about Lolita...

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On March 1, 1954, four Puerto Rican Nationalists opened fire on the house of Representatives chamber at the US Capitol. They were led by Lolita Lebron, a woman who some see as a hero and others as a terrorist.

Cristina tells Carmen about Lolita Lebron, picking up from the attack on March 1st, to her time in prison and her continued activism once she was back in Puerto Rico.

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Sources

https://www.paseomedia.org/episodes/12
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_Lebr%C3%B3n
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Ricans_in_New_York_City
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act
https://web.archive.org/web/20170506201050/https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-1/ylp-reader.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_United_States_Capitol_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayuya_Uprising
https://www.roosevelt.nl/en/from-the-vaults/lolita-lebron-there-is-no-need-now-to-kill-for-freedom/
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/03/us/03lebron.html
https://www.workers.org/2022/03/62656/
https://mediaburn.org/video/the-defense-of-lolita-lebron-an-interview-with-conrad-lynn/
https://mronline.org/2010/08/07/puerto-rico-remembers-independence-fighter-lolita-lebron/
https://www.npr.org/2010/08/03/128959759/remembering-puerto-rican-activist-lolita-lebron

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Hi, this is Christina and this is Historia's Unknown. This

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is part two following last week's episode where we talked

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about Alita Lebron leading up to the attack that happened

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on March first, and here's the rest of that episode.

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Now for the attack itself. On the morning of March first,

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Lolita traveled to Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan to meet

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the rest of the group. They were Rafael Cansel, Miranda,

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Irvin Flores, and Andres Vigueroa Corlero. They all took a

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train to Washington, DC, and then they walked from Union

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Station over to the Capitol. They sat on the steps

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and Rafael suggested not attacking because they were already reading

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a little late and it was raining. He said, I

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don't know, man, it's raining, but Lolita would not happen.

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It's like I immediately almost cancel all plants if it's raining.

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I was going to say, if that's not the most

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Latin American thing driving in the rain, no, thank you, No,

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maybe we shouldn't do this. It's reading. It's a bad sign.

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But she told them then I am alone, and she

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continued up the steps, meaning she was still going to

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go through with it even if they didn't. So she

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was like, then, you know, I'm about myself then, and

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so she kept walking up the steps, and they all

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looked at each other and like all right, they followed her.

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Then the group reached the visitors gallery, which is above

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the House chamber. And you know, while they're standing on

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this visitor's gallery, the representatives down there are discussing issues

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of immigration. Then Lolita gave her group the order. They

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recited the Lord's Prayer together. Then Lolida stood up and

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she shouted, Viva Puerto Rico Libre long, Live a free

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Puerto Rico. She unfurled the Puerto Rican flag and the

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group fired with their semi automatic pistols toward the House chamber. Wow.

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I'm sorry, but I got chills when.

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I heard that.

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I mean, like, you drive people into these crazy conditions

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and they drives them to do these kind of things.

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So yeah, it is what it is, you know, truly.

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So about thirty shots were fired, mostly by Rafael, who

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wounded five Congress members. Lolita fired all her shots at

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the ceiling. Okay, and Andres Friguero's gun jammed so he

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can fire in a damn on this that sucks the

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plan though they were never because you know, people would

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be like, oh, four crazy Puerto Ricans, four terrorists came

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and tried to kill congress members, but that was never

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the plan. Their plan was to go and shoot up

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like a statement. Yes, yeah, they were never planning that

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killing was never their intention, which is like what they

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say now about it, they're more noble, yeah, honestly. Yeah again,

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she's my hero. So congress members injured during this attack

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were Republican Michigan Representative Alvin Morrile Bentley, Tennessee Democrat Clifford

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Davis I wore, Republican Ben F. Jansen, Maryland Democrat George

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Hyde Fallon, and Alabama Democrat Kenneth Roberts. The Puerto Rican

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nationalists were immediately arrested, and while she was being cuughed,

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Lolita yelled, I did not come to kill anyone. I

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came to die for Puerto Rico. Oh my god. Now

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just look up right now and go to images that

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itself gave me chills. No right. One of the first

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images that comes up is her being arrested, and you

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can just see how beautiful and well dressed she is.

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Truly gorgeous women. No wow, truly yes, Like I'm not

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kidding she like look at her, Oh my gosh, and

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I just imagine her this one too. You can just

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see there are beautiful curls on all of them. I know,

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that's the first thing I saw, Like amazing when we'll

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share these images on Instagram as well. Anyway, So yeah,

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just those words. I did not come to kill one.

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I came to dine for Puerto Rico, like oh man,

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like she I listened to an episode I have. I'm

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gonna put it in the show notes as well. But

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this podcast was called Passeo Podcasts, and it's episode twelve

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of this podcast. It's called episode twelve, one hundred Years

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of Lolita Leron and Pasel podcast is like Pasel podcast

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Colin sharing Puerto Rican stories and the host just interviewed

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people that knew her. Wow, and one of them there

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is like even up to the day of her death,

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like she was just such a beautiful, gorgeous woman, and

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she just gave this aura when she were in her presence,

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like you could tell she was just so full of life,

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so loyal, so courageous. She's just like being in her

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presence was like like my life is complete now. Like,

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I don't know what else and I can only imagine

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what that felt like. But that's such a beautiful episode

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and I was going to actually mention it at some points.

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One this will mention it now. But it is a

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listen if you want to hear people that literally directly

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knew her talking about her, it's crazy. Definitely you gonna

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check that out. Yeah. So, right after the arrest, Pedro

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Alviso Campos's home was readed in Puerto Rico. They fired

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into his house before going in there to drag him out. Wow.

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When they dragged him out, he was unconscious and half asphyxiated.

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Oh wow. And this arrest never made any sense because

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from the start, Lolita told officials this attack was orchestrated

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by me alone, plus federal Albisto Campos had been under

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twenty four hour surveillance already by the FBI, the CIA

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and in Solar police. Wow. Like, so there was no

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way he could have had a part in no. No,

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And again that letter that she said, she he said,

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I'm planning on doing this attack, which then she took over.

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This dollar doesn't exist anywhere. There's no proofs in her memory,

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in her heart, you know, So the amount of pages

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that are in the FBI's reports of pedrol Libsto campus alone,

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campus alone are over one million pages. That's how deep

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their surveillance of him went. Wow. Yeah, it's just like

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he's getting up, now, he's going to the bathroom. Oh oh,

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he took twenty minutes in there, like that's wild. One

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million pages and in the end there was no evidence

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at all tying him to the attack on Congress at all. Still,

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he was returned to La princessa prison where he had

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just been released from six months before this. He was

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accused of violating the gag law order and he did

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remain in prison until his health deteriorated, and he ended

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up dying in the San Juan Presbyterian Hospital under police

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guard in nineteen fifty six. Wow, when I'm telling you

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he was done dirty by this government, I'm not kidding.

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And I'm not gonna want to distails here because he

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is going to have his own episode eventually. But it

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was horrible, like radiation exposure, horrible. Oh my god, i

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I'm not ready. No, no, But back to Lolita. Contrary

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to what is usually told, the aim was not to

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kill anyone, but again to die for Puerto Rico and

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the cause for independence. The four were charged with attempted

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murder and conspiracy. She was imprisoned in the Federal Correctional

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Institution for Women in Alder in West Virginia, though I

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did read some other accounts that at some point she

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was in a men's prison, so I don't know if

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this was up to the trial and then after the

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trial she was sent to this other prison, but at

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some point she was in immense prison where she had

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to endure horrible things like rape and sexual assault. The

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trial began on June fourth, nineteen fifty four. The jury

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composed of seven men and five women, whose identities still

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to this day are kept secret. There were thirty three witnesses,

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including Lolita's own brother, which she viewed as a betrayal.

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And I don't blame that, that's rough. Yeah, I just

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wonder what they offered him, Yeah, because that's the only

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reason I could think. Yeah, that's well. Although some people

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have just shitty siblins, so mmm. True. So, while the

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persecution was allowed to bring all those witnesses, the defendants

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were not allowed to have anyone testify on their behalf

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except for themselves. That sounds like not a right full

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just trial. I agree, and they had I forget the

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name of the organization, but they did have an organization

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providing free legal counsel in their defense, and it's like

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a liberal organization, but I don't remember the name of it.

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So they at least they had lawyers like the minimum right,

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like good lawyers that were trying to defend them to

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the best of their ability. During her testimony, Lolita maintained

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that she did not intend to kill, only to die

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for the freedom of her homeland. And I actually have

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I have a link of her talking.

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Puerto Rican, you know, vas Puerto Rico. I stayed with

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gess Para National el Imperio North Americanos y Obstina and

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Upacion nuestro Bayis in Os Provoca, the aria infensa denutradi

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Nidad national. Some of victimas yes violencia nostros emostrato to

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medios Pacificos en cuyo processo elen Emigo North Americano Seaford

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tale SiO.

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On June sixteen, nineteen fifty four, the jury declared all

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four of them guilty. Lolita was accredited her charge of

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intent to kill, and she was instead convicted of the

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offensive assault with the dealy weapon, which lowered her sentence.

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So the men received seventy five years and she received

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fifty years. So at their ages this meant life in prison. Yeah.

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They were all sent to different prisons. Figuero A Cordero

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was sent to the Federal Penitentiary in Atlanta, Lolita Lebrun

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sent to the women's prison in Alderson, West Virginia. Cancel

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Miranda was sent to Alcatraz and San Francisco, Wow, and

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Flores Rodriguez was sent to Levenworth, Kansas. And Livingworth, Kansas

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is the same place that Oscar Coo Yasso, the person

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who was involved in the attempted assassination of President Harry S. Truman,

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was in as well incarcerated. Then they were there together.

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So Lolita would later say that her first two years

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in prison were the most difficult. Her son passed away

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during these first two years. Oh that's terrible. Yeah, he drowned,

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and of course she was not able to say goodbye

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or even go let alone see him again. Didn't even

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tell her it happened until nine days after Wow. Then

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her mother died. In his first two years, Oh my gosh,

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it's like one bad thing after another. Yeah, and again

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she couldn't say goodbye or anything. She was also unable

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to communicate with her siblings because only letters in English

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were allowed inside the prison. How is that? Yeah, probably

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to prevent more yeah, corresponding between and portwecans arrested and

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the party. But still very very unfair. Yeah. This was

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changed after a three and a half day hunger strike.

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They were finally allowed to have letters received in Spanish.

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But Lolita was placed in solitary confinement for participating in

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this hunger strike, which is something that happened to her

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often just because of her rebellious like spirit, like signing

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up for rights, she was often in solitary confinement, which

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again is a violation of human rights. It is Yeah,

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reminds me of a Martin Sosa. Yes, that was such

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a good episode, Like I had no idea about him.

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I got to do a video with him two Okay.

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And during her time in prison, they also tried to

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make her seem crazy, often putting her in the insane

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asylum section of the prison of course. Yeah, and she

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was like they're doing all this to try and break me,

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and I will not be broken. Yeah, she did it

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eventually work in the prison infirmary. Fifteen years into her sentence,

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her social worker told her she was eligible for parole.

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She could ask for it, but part of the requirement

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for the parole was for her to issue a public

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apology for March First. What she refused to do. She's

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like coome that apologizing for that, Like I wasn't the

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right and I wasn't trying to kill anyone. I was

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trying to make a statement for a free Porto Ygo,

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and I was ready to die for my cause. Like

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I'm not apologizing for that. Damn, I shouldn't even entertain

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the idea of parole. Because she showed no interest in parole,

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they made her attend a meeting before the Penitentiary Committee,

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and instead of talking about her parole during this meeting,

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she used this time to discuss how wrong the use

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of the atomic bomb was and about politics and terrorism

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of the US. Oh my gosh, I love her. I'm

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telling you, my hero. She's my hero. And I went too.

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And she had already been religious, for her interest in

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religion only grew in prison, which tends to happen for

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most people, especially because tragedy after tragedy happened. Her daughter

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also died in nineteen seventy seven, so now she's lost

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her son, mother and daughter. Wow. In prison and even

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in prison, she made sure to get ready every day

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put makeup on to her hair. When she was asked

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like why did you do this, she was like, because

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I needed to be well presented. I needed to show

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them that no one was going to break me. I

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still love myself enough to look good no matter where

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I was, and I love her for that. Wow. Yeah,

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she is my hair. She even said that even like

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horrible thing after horrible thing that happened to her in prison,

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she refused to cry, and after being released back home

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she could still not cry, Like and that is like

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a traumatic response. Yeah. And actually in that episode that

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I mentioned of that Basseo podcast, they have someone who

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wrote a song called Lolita you can Cry Now. Oh

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my god, why did that almost make me want to cry?

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Right now? Just a title alone made me cry? But

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then hearing the words, should they play part of it

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in the episode? Okay, yeah, hold on, let's just hear

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part of it right now. Lolita you may cry now,

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Lolita you may cry now.

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Tears for the oppressed, hungry for food, knowledge, and hope. Thelita,

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you may cry now teas for the millions of upon

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maions of indigenous peoples of the Americas. Tears for those names, languages, customs,

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and cultures we will never know, lost like the leaves

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that fall.

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Into the streams and rivers.

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Lilitha, you may cry now tears for the African slaves

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that were shackle chain raped, with their backs dripping with

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red teardrops of their own belith that you may cry

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now tears for those who worked and toiled, Tears the

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sweat dripping in the soil that they bled to cultivate

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so others could prosper.

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From their suffering.

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Liliit that you may cry now tears for the massacres,

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broken treaties, diseases, death, stolen land and nature. The liift

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that you may cry now tears for the murdered Mexicans, lynched, hung,

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drag cut, and shot in what is known as the

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southwest of the United States. That you may cry now

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for those who worked the large sugar and coffee plantation

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and never had a chance to taste either.

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Wow, like they just they mentioned everything. Yeah, and I

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guess it's more like a poem with music in the background.

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It's not like a song songs still, I mean, it's

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still a song though it's beautiful. It's beautiful. I recommendly

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listen to it. I found it a band camp and

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it's like three and a half minutes long. But yeah,

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beautiful song and yeah, he wrote that for her and

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she actually listened to it. She was still alive when

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they wrote the song. Wow, she listened to it. And

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the guys in the episode talking about it, how like

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he was like, I can't even like explain how that

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felt that she was like crying because of the poem

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that I wrote. Like, also, she was a poem poet herself. Yes,

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she was a poem. She was actually a poem. She

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was a poet too, and so I think poet's a

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poet that probably meant like an insane oh yeah, and

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for it to be her, like I can't even fathom.

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So back to now where we were in this episode.

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It wasn't until nineteen seventy nine that President Jimmy Carter

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commuted the sentenceus of Lolita lebron Iven Flores, Rafael can

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Sel Miranda, the fourth person, had already gotten out because

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he was very sick and they let him out of prison.

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In total, they spent twenty five years in prison. The

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governor of Puerto Rico at the time opposed this, him

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Jimmy Carter prison, Jimmy Carr doing this letting them go,

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that's bullshit. Question, is that like sorry that you were

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Puerto Rican their pummans. Yeah, of course, that's just goes

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to show how much Yeah, that's true. So he stated

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that it was going to encourage terrorism if they were

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released early. When she arrived home, she received a hero's welcome,

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like hundreds upon hundreds who went to see her arrive.

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There's people to this day that can say, my parents

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still tell me about the day they went to see

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her return amazing, And that episode again has someone saying that.

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But one of the first things she did when she

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landed in Puerto Rico, right after she landed from the airport,

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she went to the old San Juan Cemetery to go

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see Pedro Albiso Campos for the first time because they

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never met. It was just all through letters. Oh that's right.

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And at his tombstone she knelt, she kneeled down and

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she said these words to him, Maestro Obra kumplida all

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teacher mission accomplished. That gave me chills. I almost cried

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when I read that. Wow, because man, oh, so now

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that she was back in Puerto Rico, she married Serchio

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Itsari Rivera, who was actually sent by the Nationalist Party

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to monitor her health because they were worried about her

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eight years before she was released. They sent her to

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check on her and he did this every day for

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eight years.

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And so they just like cultivated their relationship during those

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eight years and got married. After that, they moved to

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Luisa together and Lolita here like anyone that wanted to

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meet with her to talk about anything, like she would

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like welcome them. It reminds me of Rufina Maya, who

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also anyone that they're like, can you tell us about this,

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she would tell anyone. Yeah. So it gave me vibes

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like that. In nineteen seventy nine, Lolita lebron I Flories,

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Rafel Cansel Miranda and Oscar Cooyaso were recognized as the

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embodiment of the directive of their teacher, Alviso Campos to

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exercise valor and sacrifice before the representatives of fifty one

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countries at the International Conference in Support of Independence for

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Puerto Rico, which was held in Mexico City at the time. Wow.

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What an honor, honest truly. She continued to be active

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in the cause for independence for decades. In fact, she

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participated in the protests against the United States Navy's presence

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in vs She was there. Wow, she was among the arrested.

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Oh my god, she just doesn't quite you know, which

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is amazing. She appeared as a witness at the International

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Tribunal on Violations of Human Rights in Puerto Rico and

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Vieques that was held on November seventeenth through the twenty

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first of two thousand on the island of Viks. They

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held this event and she was met with a roar

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of applause when she said, I had the honor of

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leading the act against the US Congress on March first,

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nineteen fifty four, when we demanded freedom for Puerto Rico

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and we told the world what we are, an invaded

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nation occupied in abuse by the United States of America.

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I feel very proud of having performed that day, of

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having answered the call of the motherland. I saw that

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quote while I was looking at her pictures, and I

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was like, yes, oh yes. On June twenty six and one,

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Lolita was among a group of protesters arrested for trespassing

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in the Resurgen area of viks And she was sentenced

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to sixty days in prison on the charge of trespassing

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on Navy property. And yeah, she served her her full time. Wow,

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And we talked about it in the Viecas episode. But

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two years after that, in two thousand and three, the

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US Navy did leave vs. Yes, and yeah, she continued

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her participation in other independence activities. By the time of

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the Vicus protest, she turned to civil disobedience as a

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form of rebellion, and she did say that no one

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else needed to die for the cause, leaving her former

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believe that violence was the only way forward, which I

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think happens to a lot of people who were activists

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during that time period nineteen Yeah, you know when did

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this is fifty four, nineteen fifties up to like the

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nineteen eighties even And some people never say that, like

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Malcolm X, which is fine, or some people change their

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ways of thinking into thinking, you know what, maybe we

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do need a little more violence, you know. And again

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in the fight for against oppression and for freedom of

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a colonial a place under colonization, like for me everything

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in spare game. Yeah, yeah, but I'm not when to

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say no they should be doing this. That's not my

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place either, right right, just what I think. So between

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two thousand and eight and twenty ten, Lolita was hospitalized

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multiple times. The first she fell and fractured her hip

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and her arm, which requires surgery. On September eighteen, two

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thousand and nine, she suffered a relapse due to a

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viral infection, like a cardio respiratory viral infection, like I

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don't know, some virus. Lolita recovered, but then from complications

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of this episode led to like first bronchitis and then

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other things which did ultimately lead to her death in

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twenty ten August first two wow, and I mean her

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her death was very sad for Puerto Rico, for people

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outside of Puerto Rico because now to this day, I

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want to say, there's like more non Puertorican or more

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Puertricans outside of Puerto Rico than in Puerto Rico, which

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is the case for a lot of places like yeah,

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Pales signe. Don't even like get me started on that

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because I will, but again, just you know, Hawaii, same thing.

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But her death was mourned by so many hundreds and

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hundreds and hundreds, so many public figures said words you

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know about her death, even in European papers. It was

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announced like wow, Europe. And she does leave behind a

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complicated legacy. There is a book. Let me share the name,

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because I didn't write it down. It wasn't one of

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my sources because I didn't have time to read yet

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another book I already read. So this was supposed to

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be shorter episode, and I read so much for this,

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and I was like, oh, whoops. So there's a book

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called The Ladies Gallery, a memoir of family secrets by

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Villar that is her granddaughter, and it has like beautiful moments,

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but she remembers her her grandmother as like this very

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like difficult to love kind of person who was very

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strong willed and strong like in her ways, and like

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if you weren't for the cause, she kind of didn't

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have time for you. Oh my gosh, that reminds me

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of such a No. I was going to say, do

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lotus were that? It reminds yous were the same thing. Yeah,

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And I get it if you've been under so much

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trauma because she was in prisoned. Yeah, it creates such

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a inability to prepare the relationships and build those, build

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them back up, build your relationships, trust people, and opening

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yourself up like that again, because she lost so much. Yeah,

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and so that's what her had the book. You can

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tell her granddaughter is like resentful and angry about this.

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That's so interesting and it is her right, you know,

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yeah to feel that, because she is the one who

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lives with her right. Right. But then later, when Hurricane

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Maria happened, it looks like she has changed her views

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on her grandmother a little bit more and is also

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a little more toward finally accepting like, yeah, she was right,

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Puerto Rico needs to be free. And she did give

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a speech when Hurricane Maria happened kind of saying this

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and then also asking for donations from people and saying like, yeah,

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Puertoio needs to be free, like my grandmother was right,

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and it her speech prompted a ton of donations. Oh

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wow for mentioning. But it looks like she's come around

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to accepting it. And I couldn't understand how all this

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would take so much time for her to see and

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for because yeah, yeah, it's like we were saying, there's

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reason for all this, you know. Yeah, and it wasn't

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a complicated legacy only with her own family. But like

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I was saying at the top of that episode, some

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view her as a terrorist. They rote headlines like when

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terror wore lipstick honestly kind of iconic. Oops. No really,

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and others like myself remember her as a hero and

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as a Puerto Rican freedom fighter. Yeah. And even if

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people don't agree with what she did, because that's another

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polarizing thing, or they're like, you know, she was a

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really good person, but we don't agree with the violence

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of that day, people still see her as like this heroic,

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symbolic person to PERTHIRTI goo, even if they don't agree,

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because even today you can find people that don't. And

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again we're not Puerto Rican. But I do believe that

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it should be free. But my opinion, it doesn't matter.

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I don't think so. I think it's like Puerto Rico itself, right,

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and among Puerto Rico you'll find some people who call

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for a free port, free Puerto Rico and others who

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call for it to become a saintan. Yeah, it's it's divided.

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There's no like consensus. Yeah. Yeah, but I for one.

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I think they should be freed along with Hawaii. You

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know pastine all the races. And there is a plaque

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at the monument to the Hayuya Uprising, and you can

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find her name on that plaque. But yeah, that is

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Lolita Lebrun who had been on my list for so long.

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And it was just like dunting to get started. But

449
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we're here now. I did it. I'm glad you did

450
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have a new thank you she wro hero. Yes, of

451
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course I don't like that term. I was just like, no,

452
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I know, I know, all right, do you have anything

453
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else had before we know? Because I'm hungry and tired.

454
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Oh okay, that makes sense. Yeah, and I guess before

455
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we go again. Somehow we're still like blowing up on reels.

456
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I thought it was over. Yeah, and this reel about

457
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:14.799
the nineteen seventeen bathriots has now surpassed the amount of

458
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likes on instagrams versus TikTok. Yeah, then that's wild because

459
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that never happens. Yeah, so that's crazy. But also then

460
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I made another post on threads talking about one of

461
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the comment oh right comments we got on that reel

462
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where people were like, I don't care about this this

463
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is in the past. Where are we stuck in the past?

464
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Blah blah blah, And I wrote on threads like it's

465
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very odd getting these comments because to me, I just

466
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think about and we've talked about this, and as a listener,

467
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you would know of all our coverage of Chile. Yeah,

468
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but there's that national stadium in Chile where they leave

469
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the sections empty and it says peblo memoria like people

470
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without my memory, they don't have a future. And I

471
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just like when I see people come te things like that,

472
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I'm like, this is why we are where we are

473
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today because you don't know your past. Yeah, yeah, I

474
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mean we've I feel like we've touched on that so

475
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many times, especially also when we've talked about and I

476
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:15.240
often hear a term and I don't know if I've

477
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:19.519
mentioned here before, collective memory. Oh i've heard that before.

478
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:21.680
I have heard it. I don't think you've said those

479
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words here. Okay, I want to do like more reading

480
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about it, but I've seen it like here and there

481
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:34.640
when articles about trying to erase the civil war essentially

482
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and his whole messaging, part of his messaging painted Yes,

483
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:44.640
I ever see that, but yeah, his whole messaging is like, oh,

484
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that was so long ago that that doesn't matter anymore.

485
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It's time for new ideas. We don't have to keep

486
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talking about that or touch and then and look where

487
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things are now, like he is repeating, you know, like

488
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mm hmm. And in the scheme of humanity, it's not

489
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long ago at all. Like literally, your father lived through

490
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the Civil War. And then even going back to the

491
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bathriots that brought on all these comments on Instagram or

492
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:20.079
great I was nineteen sev father like was, yeah, you

493
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:23.400
know of Rasetto, which was part of the group that

494
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:28.880
was subjected to those yeah, chemical baths. It's like that's

495
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:33.119
what two generations ago, three generations ago. Yeah, and like

496
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:35.799
even bringing us back to Puerto Rico, these uprisings where

497
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:39.200
a bunch of people were killed. We're in this in

498
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:42.880
the nineteenth century, Like, yeah, you know, it's not that

499
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:47.319
long ago, not at all. So I mean, Leron, she

500
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.079
died in twenty ten exactly, That's what I was gonna say,

501
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:55.640
So not that long ago. Yeah. Anyway, I know you're hungry,

502
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:57.960
so well, let us go. If we have any new

503
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listeners from either Instagram or threads that found us, Yeah, welcome,

504
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and we hope that this was one less estonia unknown

505
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for you. Bye bye ye