July 31, 2025

The Shady History of Nestle in Latin America Part Two

The Shady History of Nestle in Latin America Part Two
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In the 1970s, the Nestle infant formula controversy came to light. In this episode, Cristina tells Carmen about the infant formula "scandal" (as in babies died), due to shady marketing practices. A lot of these infant deaths happened in Latin America and the rest of the global south. But first, the history of Nestle, starting with Henri Nestle and a bit about the history of formula. But these practices did not really come to an end.

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https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-06-13/baby-formula-companies-targeted-low-income-moms-in peru#:~:text=LIMA%2C%20Peru%20%E2%80%94%20Producers%20of%20baby,according%20to%20a%20new%20study.
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Hi everyone.

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This is Carmen and Christina and this is Estoia's Unknown,

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a podcast where we talk about Latin America. Sometimes it's

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horrible and deals with heavy topics like racism, corruption, and genocide.

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But more than that, it's also about resistance, power and community.

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What if I said that like Sidney Sunni and Genozie Esig. Oh, No,

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parents pasted on their jeans.

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That's the craziest thing I heard.

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Not even what was that? Like how she said it

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is what I'm foxing. Yeah, both were insane, parents passed

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on their chains. Okay on, Yes, today is all about

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corruption because we're continuing with Neslie. This is part two

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of that and it's a lot so yeah, this is

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a little less story like and a little more like

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Neslie did this than Neslie did this and this FYI

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and it's all terrible of course, so yeah, let's just

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jip into it. Oh well, before we jump into it,

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I did want to say again part one we just

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summed up, like Nestli, how they got to where they

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were and then the first infant formula scandal that was

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supposedly change things and the way Nesli was doing it

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and they're like better now, but really they're not, and

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that's what we're talking about today, and along with the

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other things that make them terrible, like modern slavery and

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keeping certain regions poor in Mexico. So yeah, all right,

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let's get into it, Okay. So a study by John

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Hopkins that began in twenty sixteen in Peru found that

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despite not being legally allowed because of the changes from

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the formula scandal that we talked about in part one,

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Nesley has continued to do the same things, basically promote

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their products to low income areas, but in places that

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they're not the safest to be used. Because again, this

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isn't about breastfeeding is better than formula. This is about

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in some cases, formula just simply cannot be used. Right.

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So in the Lima suburb of Villa, and it was

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discovered that doctors were encouraging mothers to stop breastfeeding and

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they gave them free formula samples. That's crazy to be

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stopping them from breastfeeding, like they and they were already

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doing it, Yeah, like successfully, might I add I understand

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like if someone is having trouble doing it and they're like, oh,

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just to formula instead, But like, of course, that's wild.

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I don't know. No, I agree.

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The mothers that were targeted by these doctors, that were

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encouraged by these doctors to stop breastfeeding, were ten times

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more likely to give up on breastfeeding because like the

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doctor's telling you to do it, Like why not? You know,

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you're supposed to trust them emphasisn't supposed to?

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Nestli of course deny doing this dating quote and peru.

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Nesli fully compliance with the provisions of local legislation, which

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allows sharing evidence based scientific information includes exclusively with healthcare professionals,

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including lending support to their continuing medical implication. We do

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not distribute samples of products intended for babies between zero

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to twenty four months, either to healthcare professionals or to

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mothers end quote. Oh wow, use yeah, they straight up to.

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The study found that these doctors were given samples and

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brochures by Nesley to hand out to these mothers. Don't

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you think that no supplement medical companies or this kind

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of thing, they shouldn't be allowed to sell their products to.

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I don't know, I mean, I guess they should. They

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have to be stocked at hospitals just in case, but

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there should be no salesperson there, like even in medicine

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like that whole pharmacycles is the same theme.

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Like part of the.

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Opioid epidemic was also very similar, very shady practices. And

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that's like, that's a whole other topic that can be

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its own like book, like and actually there has been

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a book.

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Yeah didn't you read a book about it?

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Or no, I did, but yeah, but Neslie was doing

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exactly this. They were even offering doctors incentives to give

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these samples to mothers. That shouldn't be allowed. No, it

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shouldn't at all. These incentives included free conferences and trips,

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I mean, the same shit as the pharmaceutical reps and

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whatever like. It should not be allowed.

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No, no.

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This study included two hundred and fourteen mothers from this

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region from twenty sixteen to twenty seventeen, so one year,

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these mothers were given vouchers for more formula and they

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were told that formula was necessary for the child's development

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and to stop inconsolable crime.

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So if someone is telling you, as a as a

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new mom or just a mom in general of a newborn,

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that this is going to stop your baby's crying, of course.

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You're going to do it. It's such a vulnerable time.

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And that's also why, uh, there's like a pipeline you know,

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from anti vacs quote crunchy vanilla moms whatever they call them,

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granola not vanilla granola, sorry, yeah, granola, crunchy vanilla mom

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stereotype into the right wing because then it leads you

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to eugenics. It leads you to think that you can

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you know, by choosing the best products, the most natural

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quote natural products. But yeah, it leads you to these

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dangerous beliefs, and it's a slip, very slow. Yeah, I mean,

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and just like this as an example of a company

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I guess being eugenics because it led to the deaths

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of brown babies, imparished you know, families and their children

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at the least make them more sick, right, which does

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lead to the death right because the vouchers were given

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for a little bit, but then they're not given and

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then what are these what are they supposed to do

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when the vouchers are gone except keep buying formula that

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they can't afford, and then they can't feed their babies

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because they can no longer breastfeed even though they were

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doing it.

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Like that's so insidious.

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Yeah. Yeah, it's literally the same thing that they were

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doing back during the killing baby scandal.

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Yeah, formula scandal.

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But and so this was you said around twenty sixteen, right,

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or at least twenty sixteen to twenty seventeen that the

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study was done in this suburb of Peru. And there's

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no number on if deaths occurred. Oh, I see, but

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the next step, if nothing is done, it would have

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led to that. Yeah, yes, like it did in the past. Yes, yes.

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And Jessica Rothstein from the Bloomberg School of Public Health

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International Department and one of the lead researchers for the study.

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So the following about this quot. As markets in wealthy

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countries have begun to stagnate, the marketing a formula in

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poor countries is becoming more aggressive. It's particularly troubling that

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the formula companies are pushing the products and communities that

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lack the funds to pay for them. We can say

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with the high degree of confidence that the marketing to

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providers who serve via TV is gener realizable to other

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healthcare settings and Peru and probably to other developing countries. Basically,

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if they're doing it here, they're doing it in other

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places wherever they can get away with it, and like, yeah,

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maybe death hasn't happened infant deaths, but if it's not stopping,

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it will happen. And of course this isn't all honestley

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as the doctors are willing to receive incentives too. There

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has been a push for improving laws to prevent this

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type of stuff in Puru that's still ongoing. It's not

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resolved yet. There's still like like people like the percent

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I just mentioned her quo are trying to work to

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stop this. But again that's not all that's we're gonna

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keep going with this with Neslei and their formula scandals,

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it doesn't too. There was a study done that analyzed

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over seventy Nestley baby milk products in forty different countries,

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and I found that Nesli was not following its own

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nutritional advice because they were adding sucross, a type of sugar,

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to formulas, and they were marketing their formula as free

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of sucross and good for babies, good health. Those are

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other words, good babies, good health. And they were doing

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this in some places, not all, adding the suc gross

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to formula. And these were of course places like Brazil,

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like you know, like thirtable, like cheaper to make or

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why you know, I don't know. I don't know, I

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really I tried to find why they were doing this,

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and it's I don't know. They were just in adding

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sugar and then lying about the sugar content. Did a

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Sunday don't say that anymore because of Chichetti too on,

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So I was just gonna take CHICHERI ruined that for us. Yeah,

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just like I can't say stop. They were also marketing

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their formulas as being healthier because it was free from

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vanilla flavoring, but it was not and had vanilla flavoring it.

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Like this is just a little pointless thing, right.

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And fifty years after the shady infant formula practices of

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the nineteen seventies were brought to light, a different organization

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called the Public Eye, who basically just works in calling

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out Nesli and doing like studies to like reveal the

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truth behind Neslie.

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I want to work there.

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They're doing the Lord's work. They were a big source

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for this. I shot them out a little bit later

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again because again huge source, so Public Eye a non

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profit organization. They revealed that Nesli is still up to

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no good. Fifty years after their scandal, Right, Nesli was

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discovered to be adding more. This is aside from the

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already formula things I mentioned in but in twenty sixteen

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this is another situ, another issue or whatever wrongdoing. So yes,

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another yeah, Nesli was discovered to add more sugar to

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their baby products in the global South than in the

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Western market, i e. Europe and the US so Sere,

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Lac and Niedo, which are huge in Latin America, Africa, Asia,

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they have more sugar there. They don't have more sugar

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everywhere else. In the Philippines it contains seven point three

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grams of additional sugar proportion.

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It's kind of a lot. Yes.

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In Panama it has five point three grams more proportion,

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Nicaragua four point seven grams proportion is additional sugar, Mexico

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one point eight grams. And meanwhile, in Europe there is

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no added sugar content. I don't understand why, right, it

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doesn't make any sense. And to critics of Nestli, it

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seems that the only reason this is being done is

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to hook brown and black babies to sugar. Okay, that's

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what my thinking was too, But I'm like, why so

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that they are used to the sugar it taste and

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they keep buying their products because that's not afriget. Nesli

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also has chocolate, a bunch of candy, ch chocolate milk.

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Gonna say choko mean yeah, they have the chiko menia,

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they have the chocolate milk nest quick right.

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Yeah.

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But that's the reason that critics of Nesli think that

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it's being done to get that palette that makes sense

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hooked early it done. Some reminds me of the Coca

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Cola when they introduce the their soda to the indigenous

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communities in Mexico.

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Yeah.

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Susama d Amidez, Associate Professor of Public health Communication at

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the University of California, stated, quote, there's no possible or

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nutritional reason that sugar needs to be added to food

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for babies and young children. Adding sugar and foods for

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babies and young children contribute to their poor health as

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they develop, including dental cavities and obesity, both of which

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are incredibly difficult to change once they have set in.

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More insidiously, sugar is highly addictive, so consuming foods with

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added sugars in early childhood trains kids palets to prefer

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sweetened foods. This leads to a lifelong prefence for such foods,

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exacerbating the negative health impacts of such foods. It's clear

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why the industry would want to do this, as the

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addictive quality of sugar and the development of sweet preferring

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palettes insures they have customers for life.

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Life.

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They're literally hooking babies on sugar end quote.

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Interesting. I have heard some conflicting things about sugar actually

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being addictive or not. I don't know.

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I don't know like the science, I guess, like the

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most up to date science. I know it's like conflicting

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whether it's actually addictive or not. But I mean, why

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have other than you know, corporate greed. There is no

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need for this extra like added sugar, especially young Like

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we're talking like new more young babies who don't even

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need food, right, And there's a certain age I think

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to win under where like extra sugar is like not

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recommended by a lot of health organizations, and it does

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fuck kids teeth up for life, like lifelong.

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He does.

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All those silver tooth kids that were venices, that's why.

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And if you guess they were still Neslie was still

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using shady marketing practices to push clac Ano.

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You would be right.

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These products are promoted in low and middle income country

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as not only healthy, but the key to supporting young

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children's development. Does that not sound familiar? That's like exactly

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what they've been doing. On top of that, they use

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influencers and celebrities from these markets to promote Nilo and

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cere Lac and Guatemala. They partner with Billy Savedra known

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as Billy the Diamond, a Regaton artist. I don't know

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who he is, but neither apparently he's a Regaton artist.

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He has like half a million followers on Instagram. He

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was promoting a real he filmed with his daughter. In

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the video, she's just like twirling down the stairs or something.

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And the caption is miran Ala Sarai Perro gra Ideo

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Istabian Look, Mason Nios CenTra America, son Loosque Mantien and

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Flertesusoa Proos That was a caption to this. Nons Like

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this video doesn't even like you would think she'd be

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like drinking the drink, like yeah, it's like acting like

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it's milk. Yeah yeah, and yeah, like I said, he

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has half a million followers all in that same market

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like Guatemala, and like, I know that's the way the

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world has gone where influencers are used to market because

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it's like a successful way to market things. And of

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course these influencers are parents too, and so when they

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are pushing these products, it's regarded as trustworthy, especially in

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like communities like Latin America, where I don't want to say,

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they've like like it's easier for like, I mean, how

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many times have we gotten a message from our mom saying, hey,

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does this work? And it's like some random thing that

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someone mentioned. Yeah, influencers on alive exactly, they know these

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markets are lucrative and there are also a line about

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the sugar content and the things that are selling into

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these markets. But it's similar here like parenting influencers or

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mom bommy influencers, And like the products that they push,

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they're not always safe, Like I'm thinking of like products

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that have been recalled and then people still use them,

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and you know, no one, not a lot of people

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keep up to date with recalls, especially now that certain

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organizations that do recall like safety product safety kind of

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stuff are being like disbanded and defunded. Now there's even

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less information about that out there then. Yeah, so it's

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like similar where they're like it's an issue. Yeah, and

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it's an issue. It's a larger issue about exploding children.

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But I guess we won't go there because we're talking

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about Nestlie one hundred percent one hundred percent you know,

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you know we agree on that. Yeah, Currently, Serre lac

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Anito makes these products make Nestli sol much money two

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point five billion like a year at least, if not

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more now because this figures from like twenty twenty two.

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And yeah, these are branded as helping children live healthier lives.

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They have extra vitamins, minerals and other micronutrients and also

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an insane amount of sugar, like and of course like

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need those other things. And I'm not one to demonize sugar.

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It has room in our lives. For me, it's not

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something I'm like, no sugar ever, but after a certain age,

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because that's what my doctor said, right. And again, this

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is why these practices of Nesli are so shady, because

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they're pushing these products and it's like the issue here

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is why are they adding way more sugar in the

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global South than in Europe. That doesn't make sense. Nestley

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claims it's because these ingredients in these markets are different

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and that's where they're made.

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That doesn't make sense.

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That doesn't make sense to me at all, because, yeah,

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these products have zero added sugar in Germany, Switzerland, the UK,

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even in the US it has way less than like

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the Philippines. But yeah, it's a double standard. Like it

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may seem not like a big deal maybe to some people,

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but many experts like Karen Hoffman, a pediatrician and the

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professor of public health at the University of wit Witwater

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Sprand in Johannesburg. I hope I said that, right, I

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how to say it? I probably did it somewhere in Johannesburg. Anyway,

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she said, quote it's a form of colonization.

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End quote. Oh oh oh, and you know what.

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The professional educate lady said it. So Also the WHO,

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the World Health Organization shares similar views about how before

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a certain first they're a little extreme or they don't

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recommend like any sugar. You're like okay, usually like okay,

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like she was fine, yeah, but before a certain age,

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I think they say like at least at the very

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at least three and under like no sugar, at least

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no added sugar and obviously like natural sugar like fruits,

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no one's sugar. Yeah, these are added sugars, which is

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a whole different thing. This study stresses the need for

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urgent action to reshape the food environment for children, said oh,

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the director of the WHO department, doctor Francesco Branca, eliminating

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They still him eliminated added sugars from food products for

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young children would be an important way to implement early prevention,

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early prevention of Obi city. And like, my thing with

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kids is like cavities, because that shit fucks you up

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for life. And yeah that WHO has also called for

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a ban on added sugars and sweeteners for products for

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babies and children under the age of three. The investigation

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by Public I also which was now surprised to me,

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found that Nesley uses aggressive marketing to promote needo and

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set and LAC in the Global South, which was prohibited

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in nineteen eighty one after the whole infant formula in

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the thirty killing situation. Yes, this practice was banned. This

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aggressive marketing of infant formula was banned, but they're still

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doing it because this ban, it was supposed to ban

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all promotion of infant formula in order to protect breastfeeding

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in these areas, where again formula is not the best

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choice because of the water not being accessible. But the

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ban also applied to formulas for older babies and kids,

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which includes needle and Sedlak because it's not a strait

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up of formula, it's a supplement. But that ban includes

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those two products, and they're still aggressively marketing these products

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like again using influencers. Also, they have videos like reels

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and stuff short form videos where they have a person

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talking about these products with a white coin on, and

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that gives a percession again the perception of a doctor,

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just like their milk made situation where they would have

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them wear nurse such like they're doing the same thing,

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but now like a video by internet instead of the hospitals.

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And the person on video might not even be a

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full like pediatrician, a nutritionists not an actor, but a nutritionist.

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But sometimes nutritionists certifications are not full schooling. So how

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do we know they're not actors? Oh, they're also they

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could be.

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We don't know, I feel like they're actors. They could be.

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You're right, Yeah, most of the time, they're definitely not pediatricians.

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But yeah, they're giving they're recording this video with the

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white coat on to again not perceived but give off

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like authority.

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Yeah.

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And they're talking about the benefits of these products obviously,

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and again a white coat conveys that this is the

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opinion of someone, the opinion of this person.

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Who an expert. Yeah, yes, thank you. Wow.

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And again that's against who guidelines, right, Okay, And that's

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an overview of how they're still basically doing the infants

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in formula currently to this day in Latin America. Like

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they never stopped, they just changed it a little bit, yes,

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to make it modern. Yeah, on the internet modern, Yeah,

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using influencers.

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Yeah.

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And like I said in the beginning of part one,

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this does not stop at Formula. Coca Cola is under Nesli.

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We have two episodes on Coca Cola being corrupt in

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Latin America. You know, you discussed the use of paramilitary

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forces to kill union leaders in Colombia, Gatemala. I did

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the one about Mexico and their shady marketing practices there

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and how they steal water. And that's still Nestli because

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Coca Cola falls under NESTLEI. Right, Nestle is the big

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umbrella company. Yes, yes, but yeah, it doesn't end there.

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So now Mexico and coffee and Nesli and how Neslie's

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destroyed God to forgot that they have coffee. Also they

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have everything, They have their grubby little hands and everything.

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Yeah.

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First, let's talk about the region a little bit, because

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I know we had a coffee episode, but I talked

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about Central America.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, But in Mexico, coffee is grown in Chiapas, and

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while Chiapas is the largest producer of coffee in all

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of Mexico, it's also one of the poorest areas. There

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are around one hundred and eighty thousand coffee farmers, which

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produce forty percent of the coffee in all of Mexico.

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Wow.

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Yes, And internationally, Mexico is the eighth largest producer of coffee.

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And the region of Soko Nusco in southern Chiapas was

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known for its high quality Arabica coffee and this region

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has the ideal climate and soil conditions for Arabica coffee.

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And Arabica is also great for the biodiversity of any

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region because it's more organic. The plants last fifty years

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and they provide so much shade. But this is where

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Nesli comes in and destroys that. So Nesle's Nest Cafe,

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the instant coffee is the most popular coffee in this market,

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like Latin America. I'm sure, I don't know how popular.

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It's probably pretty popular here in the US too, because

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of I don't know how many people.

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I don't drink it.

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This cafe is an instant coffee that aurm mused, Bay right, yes, yeah,

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and that's something our grandma has. I'm telling you it's

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it's highly popular. Side note, it's also called El cafre

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or the.

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Poor man's coffee.

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Hmmm.

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Interesting.

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So this Nest Cafe instant coffee is made with Robusta coffee,

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not Arabica coffee. So Nestle lobby to the Mexican government

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to promote the cultivation of coffee of the coffee they

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need Robusta and this coffee thrives better without shade, oh

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I see. And so they had to destroy a lot

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of farms that had the Arabica shady trees to make

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the Robusta coffee. So NESTLEI launched their Nest Cafe plan

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in twenty ten and Mexico, and thanks to that program,

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Mexico is Nestle's third biggest coffee supplier.

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Damn. Yeah.

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So through this plan, Nesli promised to invest two hundred

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million Swiss francs within ten years, which would quote create

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value across the coffee supply chain from farmers to consumers

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to us and so supposedly the farmers were also going

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to get like a cut of the profit more money.

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Yeah.

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So they went to local farmers, most of which are

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small farms. That's why there's so many different coffee farmers.

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They're just a bunch of little farms. Even the biggest

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farms are fifteen Oh my god, what I didn't write

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this word down. You know, when it's acres, but there's

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like an age in front of it, like hectors or hectory.

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I don't know how to pronounce it.

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Yeah, that's what it is, all right. Moving on, So,

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most of them had Arabica coffee, and so with the

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nestcafet planned, they were going to go from Arabica to

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robust the coffee to make the next cafe coffee that

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NESTLEI needs. And so they were going to do a

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one year training school for these farmers. In the school,

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they learned business things management had to improve their harvest.

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Nestley Agronomius would also come into their farms and give

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advice on converting or how to improve the farm. Nesley

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gave these farmers robustus seedlings to get them started, and

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they did this for three years where there was this

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school going. They would come and look these farms. These

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farmers had to convert their farms to comply with four

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Sea requirements.

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Do you know what that is? Okay?

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Well, four C is an independent stakeholder and this is

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straight from the four Sea page. For C is an

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independent stakeholder driven internationally recognized sustainability standard for the entire

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coffee and cocoa sector, aiming at anchoring sustainability and coffee

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and cocoa supply chains. Independent third party on its insure

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compliance with sustainability criteria for coffee and cocoa production and

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processing from the economic, social, and environmental dimensions to establish

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credible and traceable sustainable coffee and.

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Cocoa supply chains.

456
00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:55.119
Basically like it's supposed to make coffee cultivation more ethical

457
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:59.119
in all ways as the whole Because wow, that was long,

458
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:03.319
I'm not reading all that anyway. Nesli promised these farmers

459
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.759
that they participated in their Nescafe School did the conversion

460
00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:11.000
to comply with four C. Followed Neslei teachings that these

461
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:16.279
farmers were double or triple their income, and this made

462
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:20.319
sense to farmers. This is already a low income area, right,

463
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:26.240
and they're being sold these promises that sound very appealing.

464
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:29.359
So yeah, I don't at all blame them for trying

465
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:29.759
to do this.

466
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:31.720
Yeah, and so.

467
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:38.319
Robusta yields more products than Arabica, and so they were like, yeah,

468
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:41.440
it's going to be there's more, the yields are going

469
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:43.240
to be bigger, so you're going to get more money.

470
00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:48.160
Of course, the program sounded fantastic if Nesli had kept

471
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.000
their promise. Of course they didn't. Yeah, no surprise. There

472
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:55.319
After three years, their visits and advice to local farmers

473
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:58.359
came to an abrupt and by this point two hundred

474
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:01.119
farmers in this region had done the conversion to four

475
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:04.839
CE and robust to coffee and participated in Nescafez or

476
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:09.759
in Nesle's Nescafez School program, which again Nesli promised they

477
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:13.039
would profit if they did this, and this costs a

478
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:16.039
lot of money to do these conversions, and of course

479
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.599
it's like again, no surprise, Nesli didn't keep their end

480
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:21.400
of the deal. They got their double yield of robust

481
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:24.640
to coffee, but they didn't pay these farmers anywhere near

482
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:28.279
a living wage for their work. Nesli pays twenty six

483
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.920
pesos per kilo or one thirty nine US dollars per kilo.

484
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:35.480
That's barely enough to cover production costs, let alone pay

485
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:40.079
farm workers. Eduardloca Marena, who owns one of the larger

486
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:42.039
farms in the area, which again is not a big

487
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:45.599
farm compared to these big like farms we have here

488
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:47.640
in the US, like, these are very small farms. A

489
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.079
lot of them aren't even like they don't have farm workers.

490
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:53.640
It's like the family doing it all. So eduardoca Marena

491
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:56.240
was a graduate of the first generation of the Nescafez

492
00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:02.359
school and production costs him thirty pestls perkillo. So Nesli

493
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:06.400
again pays twenty six bessels per kilo, and for him

494
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:10.240
to do this it costs him more. He was losing money, yes, exactly.

495
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:12.839
One of the courses he took at the school was

496
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:16.039
called quote joint Value Creation in Coffee Company in the

497
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:19.640
coffee company, and in it, Nesli promised to give them

498
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.359
a living wage. And to pay more for these yields

499
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:27.400
that would double. But Eduardo on his fellow castmates and

500
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.799
the rest of the two hundred coffee farmers haven't seen

501
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:35.319
any of that said profit. Wow. Elmer Morales, a second

502
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:39.319
generation nes Cafe plan farmer, has a similar story, but

503
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:42.400
it's worse because, on top of being paid so little

504
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:45.440
for the coffee by Nescafe, nest Cafe also put his

505
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:49.839
picture and his mom's picture on the instant coffee. Really

506
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.480
and the picture? Yes, and the picture is accompanied by

507
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.119
a statement that says drinking this coffee is helping farmers

508
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:57.680
in Chiapas live a better life.

509
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:02.000
When it's not. No, they're being underpaid severely.

510
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:08.000
Yes, the audacity to use their pictures too, Yeah, bullshit.

511
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:12.880
In January twenty twenty four, Eduardo Elmer and other farmers

512
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.519
got together. They spoke about their experiences with Neslie to

513
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.200
the media. They also wrote a letter of protest, and

514
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:20.200
in it they stated that the price of twenty six

515
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:24.000
pistols is not enough and they demanded thirty five vessels

516
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:27.759
per kilo, which is not a lot. It's not an

517
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:32.200
extravagant ask like it cost them thirty pessels to produce

518
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.160
this coffee for Nesli. Yeah, a living wage would have

519
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.839
been fifty pessels per kilo, but they're not asking for that.

520
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.319
They were asking for thirty five a little bit more.

521
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:46.359
When Nesli responded to the protest letter, they said that

522
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.440
they were not responsible for the low pay and that

523
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.519
the farmers needed to talk to the local intermediary companies.

524
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:53.039
This is a.

525
00:30:53.200 --> 00:31:00.920
Bullshit that the fucking big conglomerate bullshit fucking corporations use

526
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:03.440
to get away with their bullshits, the same fucking shit

527
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.440
that Coca Cola did, because they were like, oh, we're

528
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:10.920
not responsible for the violence against the union.

529
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.200
Organizers. It was our third.

530
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:19.279
Party whatever the fun, Yes, exactly, Like no, you you're

531
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.200
responsible for the behavior or the people that are partnering

532
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:24.920
with you because you're also pressuring them to make money.

533
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:29.160
Yeah, and you're also to blame, Like.

534
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.599
You can't just absolve yourself of everything, which these fucking

535
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:38.400
companies do and what the United States allows. Yes, so yeah,

536
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:41.640
Nestli told them it was the innimated intermediary companies who

537
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.079
were in charge of this bullshit. Yeah, So the farmers

538
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:50.839
did meet with these intermediary companies on February fifth, four

539
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.720
The farmers expressive frustrations to the head of CASEMX, one

540
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:59.200
of the intermediary companies, and so here Elmer said, quote

541
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.079
at the nescafes, they taught us to double production, then

542
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:04.680
they dropped us. They taught its values, principles and ethics.

543
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:08.079
What happened to those values, principles and ethics? Where are they?

544
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:14.359
Capitalism has none? No, it doesn't No. The head of

545
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:16.920
SMX listened to all the farmers with patients, and then

546
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:18.799
at the end he told them what they all suspected.

547
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.000
He didn't have control over the prices they were set

548
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:22.480
by Nestli.

549
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:23.680
Of course they are.

550
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:28.720
Yes, yes, So then the farmers all met again after this,

551
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:30.559
at this regular meeting that they have every two or

552
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.039
three bunds, they expressed the same frustrations the low prices

553
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:38.720
for their coffee. And here one of the other farmers,

554
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.720
seventy seven year old Oktaviano Morale Salas, stated that it's

555
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.279
no longer possible to make a living from coffee one

556
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:48.079
because of these low prices, but also they can't afford

557
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:50.160
to pay their farm workers, so there would be farm

558
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:54.079
workers are all going to the USA. In their municipality alone,

559
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.519
one hundred and eighty people had already migrated to the US,

560
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.519
so goo will toll our soil. Now we're up to

561
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:04.960
our next in it. Nestlei siphons all the money while

562
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:09.480
we live in poverty. Buck Nestlie, no one hundred percent

563
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:13.519
new sticker. All the homies say, Nestlie, oh wait, we

564
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:14.720
said that already last episode.

565
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.759
Yeah. God.

566
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:21.119
So, on top of the already low price that they

567
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.680
give these farmers for the Robusta coffee, sometimes some of

568
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:29.759
these intermediary companies low bottom even more, citing that it's

569
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.759
low quality. It's not even worth the low price. Nestli

570
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:35.519
is pain but they do this randomly. The coffee is fine,

571
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:37.319
and they're like, nope, it's low quality, just so that

572
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.920
they can take more of the cut themselves too, like

573
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:43.759
they're the issue too. But overall still it's Nestlei. The

574
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:44.960
bit is the biggest issue.

575
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:46.240
Yeah.

576
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:48.839
And in theory, these farmers could sell to someone else,

577
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.519
but because they made the switch from Robusta or from

578
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.160
Arabica to Robusta, Nesti is the only one who buys

579
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:56.559
Robusta because they needed for the instant coffee. No one

580
00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:58.359
else buys it in this area, and so they're like

581
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:02.559
trapped by Nestle and this was intentional. It reminds me

582
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:06.880
of Monsanto too, one hundred percent with their stupid seeds

583
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.800
and how now, yeah, it's the same story. There's a

584
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.800
reason Mexico kicked Monsanto out, like well, the corns and

585
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.639
they're trying to I know, I know, one.

586
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:19.840
Of their biggest markets. Yeah.

587
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:23.760
There's also a really good documentary called CoA that focuses

588
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:30.400
on the horrible working life of these coffee workers and

589
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.199
unfortunately also full of child labor, which I didn't focus

590
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:35.920
too much on, but that documentary you should, you should

591
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:40.599
check it out. What is the documentary from two dozen?

592
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:42.719
Oh I didn't write down the year. It's not that

593
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:47.360
old though, it's pretty recent. So these farmers protested blocking

594
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:51.199
the road to where the intermediary companies are located. They

595
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:56.239
held science that read empresas in Ettica and aias another

596
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:59.280
sign that said presio housto, presio housto, like they're demanding

597
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.559
a fair price, yes, and they deserve it. And this

598
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:06.760
protest they also burned nescafe coffee sacks and robust us savelings.

599
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.239
And you know, I love when things are being burned

600
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:14.559
at a protest. Yes, yes, and at first the protests

601
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.360
seemed to get things moving. A local government representative said

602
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:19.880
that they were meet with Neslie Mexico. But when the

603
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.920
meeting came, Nesli didn't show up and it was all

604
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:26.440
like a joke to Nesli basically, at least that's what

605
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:28.440
it felt like to the farmers and the local government

606
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:29.440
was trying to do something.

607
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:30.079
What else would it.

608
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:34.400
Feel like if they don't show up? Yeah, and instead

609
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.119
they sent like an email response to the demands and

610
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:41.079
to the price demands, and it was like a simple no,

611
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:46.239
they're not going to meet these demands. And they released

612
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:49.440
the following statement. Coffee farmers should earn a sufficient income

613
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:52.599
to maintain a decent standardive living for them and their families. However,

614
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.480
in a coffee market contention on supply and demand, there

615
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:58.079
are no easy solutions to ensure that this is achieved.

616
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:02.920
We do not have a price minimum guarantee, but we

617
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:05.719
do offer the most competitive prices in an open marketplace.

618
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:10.960
Buck your open marketplace. You don't bitch, they're the only marketplace. Okay,

619
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:13.320
you're talking about also supplying demand. You are the market,

620
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.280
You are the supply and demand. It's just a bunch

621
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:19.199
of bullshit. To try to wash your hands off of

622
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.480
it when they are responsible and they should be paying

623
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:27.360
fair wages. But no, everything is about the the money

624
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.599
and the final dollar you make or whatever and paying

625
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.920
your fucking piece of shit CEOs and okay, so they're mean,

626
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.480
like the market. If the market is bad, we then

627
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:39.719
we had to pay less. But the market has been

628
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:44.840
growing for this the like, yeah, it's not true, but

629
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.199
I fucking hate them, all right, Nestlie, if I see you,

630
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:51.920
it's on site, all of you on site, on site, Okay.

631
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.519
And of course if you look at Nesli's website today,

632
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:57.079
they have statements like Nestlie and is strongly committed to

633
00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.599
the responsible and sustainable sources of coffee and Mexico. I

634
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:03.159
believe that, No, don't believe them, and that they have

635
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:05.760
had a positive impact on the Mexican coffee and the

636
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:11.079
development of Mexican growing coffee growing communities. You have destroyed

637
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:16.440
the coffee community in Chiampas, you dumb bitches. Yeah, it

638
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.480
reminds you that meme where people at right over it.

639
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:22.199
It's like this lady smoking from American Horstory and she's like,

640
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.639
you dumb bitch, there is no so here. It's like

641
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:28.480
you dumb bitch. There is no more coffee growing communities

642
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.000
in Mexico because you're destroying them.

643
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.559
Yeah, I should make that meme. Yeah you should again.

644
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:38.039
Meanwhile, over so there staming again is that they're making

645
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:41.400
the communities better. Right. Meanwhile, over half the coffee farmers

646
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.639
live in property and have had to give up their forms. Yeah,

647
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:49.280
and that's again just a very brief bit on coffee,

648
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:50.440
Nesli and Mexico.

649
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:52.480
But I also have to talk about Brazil.

650
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.320
So Public Eye has been an amazing source for these episodiodes,

651
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:01.960
and that's where I'm getting all this from.

652
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:02.239
There.

653
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:05.119
Again, they work in like just showing trying to show

654
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:08.639
how corrub Nesli is. And so they released this in

655
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:12.719
June twenty twenty five titled Brazilian workers Enslaved by Nesli's

656
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:16.840
Coffee supplies. When in twenty twenty five, Yeah, June twenty

657
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.199
twenty five is when this case months, Yes, last month

658
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:23.039
at the time of recording. And if you remember from

659
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:25.239
the Coffee episode, which was like almost three years ago,

660
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:26.920
it's our second episode.

661
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:28.719
I want to say, or was it the first the

662
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:29.559
first episode?

663
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:31.039
I think it might be the it might be the first.

664
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:34.920
I mentioned about coffee workers being enslaved, but by Starbucks.

665
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.679
But Neslie does it too, of course, I'm sure they

666
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:42.440
all do it. Oh yeah, Nesli promises to source ethical

667
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.320
coffee and that they have zero tolerance for modern slavery,

668
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:47.199
and like it's all over their statements on this kind

669
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:50.760
of stuff. But this investigation by Public Eye and Reporter

670
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.320
Brazil proves that that's not the case. So fifty year

671
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:56.760
old Hunan digit Dos Santos was hired as a seasonal

672
00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:59.239
worker in April twenty twenty three along with his friend

673
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:04.000
Jose at the Misson de Hesu's Lima. And they're both

674
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.079
from a very low income area of Brazil, at Rakahu

675
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:11.559
Sehipe in the northeast region of Brazil. And every year

676
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:15.440
thousands of people from this region head to the south

677
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:19.559
part of Brazil for coffee, for seasonal coffee work, because

678
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:23.119
that's where it all is. And so these locations where

679
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:26.679
these farms are not usually directly owned by Nesle, right,

680
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:30.760
it's like the intermediary companies in Mexico who are employed

681
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:35.559
or partnered with NESLI, And so that's where these men,

682
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:38.000
these two men were, and they were promised a wage

683
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:40.480
of one hundred and twenty re ice. I don't know

684
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:44.679
how you say the money in Brazil rey ices. Yeah,

685
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:48.360
per day, which is like twenty one forty three US dollars.

686
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.760
And so they got on a bus traveled again, that's

687
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:55.000
twenty one basically twenty one dollars a day. Yeah, they

688
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:56.639
got on a bus and they traveled for two and

689
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:59.199
a half days with their recruiter, and they arrived at

690
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.960
the Matta Vere the farm in the state of Espiritu Santo,

691
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:07.559
which both of those names are just so ominous. Expect

692
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.519
nothing good to happen there. No, No, I'm sure they

693
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:13.280
sell on there. So I don't know, Actually, I don't know.

694
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.159
I don't think Sona. This is a very very remote area.

695
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:21.039
Basically it's only this village and then coffee plantations and

696
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:24.480
forests and that's it. So the first two days of

697
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.320
these men getting there seemed great. They drank, they drink,

698
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:31.679
they celebrated, all on the plantation's dime. Uh, they're love

699
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:37.000
bombing them, yes, oh my god. On the third day

700
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.440
everything went downhill. They were moved to a new part

701
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:41.639
of the plantation and had to carry their own things

702
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:43.719
and walk to this area. But first they worked a

703
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.400
full day and I don't think I need to say,

704
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.079
but this is intense mindo labor.

705
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:49.280
Yeah.

706
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:54.119
So after this intense mino labor, they walked fifty sorry,

707
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:57.880
they walked twice fifty minutes two times.

708
00:40:58.559 --> 00:40:58.920
Damn.

709
00:40:59.400 --> 00:40:59.599
Yeah.

710
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:00.519
They did a fifty.

711
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.280
Minute walk two times to carry all of their things

712
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:06.320
to their new sleeping area, which included carrying mattresses for

713
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:07.159
fifty minutes.

714
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:07.920
Wow.

715
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:11.679
And they were done very very late into the night.

716
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.039
And they found that this new living area had like

717
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.840
rotten wooden floors and water stains all over the walls.

718
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.280
They were told that this was temporary and that they

719
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.920
would receive new beds, but neither of these things happened.

720
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:28.360
They never moved buildings, they never received beds, and the

721
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.920
conditions of this new living area were inhumane. There were

722
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:35.840
no doors to provide privacy. There was no sinks or showers,

723
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:40.159
just two hoses which only had cold water. What the fuck.

724
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:43.480
There was no tables or chairs, so workers had to

725
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.320
eat sitting on the floor or on their mattresses. There

726
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:49.960
was rats everywhere, There was constant power cuts, and the

727
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:51.559
toilets almost never worked.

728
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:54.840
Wow. And workers had to get up at three.

729
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:56.800
Thirty in the morning. They were prepared lunch after a

730
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.880
breakfast provided by the plantation, and this breakfast was a

731
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.199
cup of coffee and a lump of dough made with

732
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:07.320
made of wheat flour and water. A lump of dough,

733
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.039
a lump of dough made of wheat flour and water,

734
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:14.559
so like a tortilla, but uncooked not uncooked yeah, and

735
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:16.800
uncooked dotia basically raw dough.

736
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:20.400
What the yeack and coffee.

737
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:22.719
The worst than the coffee episode where you talked about

738
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.599
how they would give them like a little bit of beans.

739
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:27.159
At least they would get peas.

740
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.239
Then they would take the bus to the plantation at

741
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:35.000
four thirty. They would finish forty to thirty in the morning,

742
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:36.400
so they were up at three third in the morning.

743
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.280
They got to the plantation at four thirty in the morning.

744
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:41.519
They finished work at five pm and then they would

745
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:44.400
have to walk back which to fire forty five minutes. Oh.

746
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:45.280
They get there at four.

747
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:50.320
Thirty am and they were five am yeah, wow, And

748
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.559
then they had to walk back to their living quarters.

749
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:58.320
They didn't bust them back. What the the.

750
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.599
Workers were not given the wage that was instead they

751
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.239
were giving what would be the equivalent to eight dollars

752
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.440
in ninety three cents a day. Oh my god, for

753
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:09.440
a full day. They were supposed to be getting twenty

754
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:10.039
something dollars.

755
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:12.159
Okay.

756
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.920
The farm owner then sold what these men harvested for

757
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:17.840
forty times the price he paid them.

758
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:20.840
We're shaking our heads. Yeah.

759
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.920
On top of this extremely low pay, everything was deducted

760
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:30.800
from the workers pay, boots, protective clothing, the basket they

761
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:32.719
used to put coffee beans in.

762
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.000
And their water bottle. Wow.

763
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:38.519
Yeah, this is literally like what the company towns used

764
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:42.000
to do. This is like also the cost of their

765
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:46.039
bus ride was deducted. Wow, which was sixty two US dollars.

766
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:49.000
Mind you, they're getting paid eight dollars in ninety three cents,

767
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:53.920
but just to keep them there. Yeah, it's literally it's

768
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:58.280
human trafficking. Oh, one hundred percent. Some might say maybe

769
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:01.320
not our listeners, but who knows. But some people might say, well,

770
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:05.159
it's not Nestli doing this. This is on the farm owners. No,

771
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.960
because there should be some oversight. Yeah, this is a

772
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:13.519
direct supplier of NESLEI. Like you, if you don't know

773
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.079
how your supplier gets their shit, then you need to

774
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:19.039
look into it. And if it's fucking shady, then you

775
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.599
need to stop working with them. If you're supposedly you know, ethical, Yeah,

776
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:27.199
what you claim to be, which you celebrate, right. So yeah,

777
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.000
this farm that was doing all this, it was at

778
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.760
the time that I was doing this. It was involved

779
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:34.039
in the four set program that Neslie was so proud

780
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:40.840
to show off. And so again the workers were also

781
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:43.039
charged for the shitty food that was supplied to them,

782
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:43.880
the fucking rat.

783
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:44.960
Oh that's crazy.

784
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.159
Yeah. On top of that, they were not allowed to

785
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:53.320
leave the farm. They were closely supervised literally human trafficking, yes,

786
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:56.159
by both the farm manager and the security guards. The

787
00:44:56.199 --> 00:45:00.400
farm manager constantly threatened them with his gun. When all

788
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.079
of this was too much, Dos Santos and others tried

789
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.800
to plan their escape. They used WhatsApp to contact the

790
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.719
bus driver to pick them up, but the farm owner

791
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.559
discovered this and sent them all the following message quote

792
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:15.440
no one is leaving the farm until their debts are

793
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.440
paid off. If if anyone tries, I'll have the entrance

794
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:23.519
to the village closed off end quote. Because also the

795
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:26.719
plantation owners happened to also like be powerful in the village,

796
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:28.360
and they could they could literally close.

797
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:30.000
They have to be or how would they get away

798
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:31.199
with this? Exactly?

799
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.000
Who would indeed, and his friend has said knew they

800
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.159
had to escape, so, risking their own lives, they filmed

801
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:39.679
and photographed the abuse at the hands of the manager

802
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:43.039
and the security guards. They contacted the police gave them

803
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.960
this evidence. The police said they would investigate, but Josein

804
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:48.840
who Dandi, didn't know when. So fourteen days after their

805
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.880
arrival at the farm, my god, they were only there

806
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:53.199
were four fourteen days.

807
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:54.840
Yeah.

808
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:56.880
They managed to get a man from the village to

809
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.920
drive them to the next main road, which then they

810
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:04.480
would take a bus back home. So before midnight, they

811
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:06.800
along with twelve other men, snuck out of the farm

812
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:09.519
and waited for the van. And they had to sit

813
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:11.639
basically on top of each other in this van, and

814
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:14.320
they were super cramped, but they cradle someone just so

815
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:16.800
that we could all feel like, that's crazy. No, I

816
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:18.880
would be on top of the van like hold on

817
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:22.119
to the top. Yeah, yes, hanging on for dear life.

818
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:24.079
But that would be better than working for this farm.

819
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:27.559
And they had no idea at the time. But hours

820
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.960
after they escaped, investigators did arrive and they were shocked

821
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.760
at the conditions they found. Wow, So the remaining ten

822
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:35.280
workers were also freed.

823
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:36.079
Oh, that's good.

824
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:43.039
And then administrative proceedings against the farm owner began. Administrative

825
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:47.039
proceedings so not even criminal proceedings. No, it was literally

826
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:51.800
human trafficking. But yeah, wow, the farm owner agreed to

827
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:55.840
improve the terrible work conditions and to pay the workers

828
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:58.440
a severance payment that amounted to three days of work

829
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:02.679
with damages. How about you fourteen fucking days they worked there? No,

830
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:09.400
seriously a gunpoint. Basically, yes, yes, each worker got around

831
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:12.320
one thy forty three US dollars. Not enough. Not the

832
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:16.920
workers escaped bullshit, Only the ten who were there when

833
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:20.679
investigators arrived. Wow, However they did soon when they ended

834
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:23.559
up settling for almost the same amount. Still not enough,

835
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:25.920
still not enough, still not enough. And that person should

836
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:27.920
not be allowed to operate anything where they would be

837
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:32.000
employing others at all. Ever one hundred percent. Yeah, yeah,

838
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:34.880
And this is just one farm that is a direct

839
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.920
supplier of Nesli. But this is far too common in Brazil.

840
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:38.440
Yeah.

841
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:42.119
In twenty twenty two, threas I Maas and prima Veda

842
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:45.920
farms were found to have similar working conditions in both

843
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.400
Nesli suppliers. Direct supplier Nestlie, you have a problem with

844
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:53.039
your suppliers one hundred percent. In twenty twenty three, another

845
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:56.719
Nesti supplier, Vista Allegtive Farm, was also enslaving their workers.

846
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:01.199
Like this is a pattern now, like they should know

847
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:06.920
by now. Have a quote from Livia Mira Glia Mira Gliau.

848
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:08.559
That's like hard to say anyway.

849
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:08.920
Sorry.

850
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:12.760
She's an associate professor of labor law at the University

851
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:17.199
of Minas Gerais in Brazil and specializes in slave labor

852
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:21.079
and human trafficking. So she stated, quote, the white and

853
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:26.519
male judiciary systematically denigrates the working class. It's common for

854
00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:28.880
people who lose their luggage on a flight to receive

855
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.920
higher compensation than those who have become victims of slave labor.

856
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:33.559
That should not be allowed.

857
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:36.280
That is a wild thing to say, well, not to

858
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:37.639
say it, but to be true, like to be an

859
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:42.239
accurate statement, Like that's wild. She continues that perpetrators are

860
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.440
hardly ever prosecuted. No farm owner is afraid that he

861
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:47.679
will have to go to prison for modern slavery. En

862
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:52.360
a quote of two six hundred and seventy nine employers

863
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:56.760
who were accused of modern slavery offenses, only one hundred

864
00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:58.159
and twelve of them were convicted.

865
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:00.440
It's impunity.

866
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:03.719
Those numbers come from a study that took place between

867
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:05.360
twenty and eight and twenty nineteen.

868
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:10.360
Oh wow, eleven years, Oh my god.

869
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:12.519
And most of the one hundred and twelve who were

870
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:16.239
convicted received the short sentences that they didn't even serve.

871
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:18.199
And Nestle.

872
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:20.800
Just like they did in Mexico, they placed the blame

873
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.880
on the coffee farms, on the suppliers. No, especially when

874
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:30.239
they're participating your supposedly ethical a program, like what what

875
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:33.639
qualifies a farm to participate in that? What oversight is there?

876
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:36.800
The crazy things that they do. Inspect these farms, but

877
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:40.280
you know when they expect inspect them before their start productions?

878
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:45.880
Yes, off season? Yes? Stupid on purpose probably, oh one

879
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:48.320
hundred percent, because then NSI goes to say, what we

880
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:51.559
do inspection when they weren't producing anything? Well, what the fuck?

881
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:52.719
How do you? How do you what?

882
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.639
It's the point at that point, Yeah, how can you

883
00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:59.719
inspect the quality of a worker when they're not working?

884
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:07.559
Exactly stupid. In Nesli's statement as a reply to this

885
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.320
study that was done by Public Eye, they said that

886
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.519
they once they found out about these practices, they remove

887
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:17.519
these farms from their four Sea system. But another NeSSI supplier,

888
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.639
NKG Stockler, confirmed to Public Eye that they were not

889
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.559
Neslie was not aware of these practices until March twenty

890
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:28.480
twenty five. So they're lying. Yeah, they're lying, and they

891
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:28.960
can lie.

892
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:31.039
That doesn't matter. If they're lying, they can get away

893
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:31.599
with anything.

894
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:35.800
And they when report to Brazil and Public Eye said, well,

895
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.960
your supplier told us this, they never replied. And I

896
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:43.639
want to end with Udandid's words to Public Eye about

897
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:47.000
all of this. I'd like to say just one thing

898
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:51.239
to the people in the big multinational corporations, take a

899
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.199
close look at what you are doing. Buying coffee is easy.

900
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:57.440
The hard part of the job is harvesting it. It's us,

901
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:00.039
the workers who make sure you get your coffee in

902
00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:03.199
the first place. And you don't appreciate that end quote.

903
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:10.000
And yes this is the fur eating It really is

904
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:14.679
because like nothing ever ends. No, like these are the

905
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:18.079
conditions we talked about in episode one, and those were

906
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:20.079
like older times.

907
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.039
I forgot when, but it was like.

908
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.239
The eighteen hundreds, like before nineteen hundred or no, maybe

909
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.800
late eighteen hundreds, maybe like mid nineteen eighteens.

910
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:29.360
I forget.

911
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:31.760
I didn't include it in this but in the public

912
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:34.639
I report and all the again, all the links are

913
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.599
in the show notes. They talked to a different professor,

914
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:43.360
and this professor said, these conditions of working for farm workers,

915
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:47.719
especially in coffee, goes back to like the start colonization,

916
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:53.960
right because even today these coffee farmers are mostly white,

917
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:57.480
and that, I mean, that's the same thing we talked

918
00:51:57.480 --> 00:51:59.719
about again in that coffee episode, but it applies to

919
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:02.760
Brazis too, like this is all, this is all it

920
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:06.159
goes back from even that time period. And yeah, he

921
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:13.599
it's right, He's right. It's sad too, like yeah, so yeah,

922
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:26.800
that was that was nestleie. Wow, yeah, thank you everyone

923
00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:30.480
for listening. Fuck Nestlie. We have an announcement.

924
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:32.239
We do, we do.

925
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:36.599
We are taking a two week break afrough this episode

926
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:44.199
because I'm moving and Carmen has a trip hard to Yeah. Yeah,

927
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:45.199
and y'all moving.

928
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.559
I hate it. I think you underestimated a little bit.

929
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.719
Oh I thought I had more time. Oh yeah, we

930
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.079
were looking. We were looking at places that had like

931
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.280
leasing contracts that started mid August.

932
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:00.400
Oh, I see then, and.

933
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:02.280
We were just not getting them. And then this place

934
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:04.480
came along. We were the first to apply and so

935
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:08.159
now our moving day is August first, and so yeah,

936
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:10.119
I thought I had more time. And you know what

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moving is really when you learn you just have too

938
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much shit. Yeah, and I did have too much shit.

939
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So yeah, we're taking a two week break because of that,

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and we'll be back in what's no, I can't do that.

941
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We'll be back in after two weeks whatever date that is.

942
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So this comes out on the thirty first, so then

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after that it's the seventh and then fourteenth, So we'll

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be back on the twenty first. That's what I was

945
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gonna ask, the twenty first, right, that's two weeks. Yeah, yeah,

946
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the twenty first, Yeah, okay, yeah, we'll be back on

947
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the twenty first. I'm hoping to still yap though, if

948
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you can kurmash, so yeah, it's to be over on Patreon.

949
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A reminder that on Patreon we just either yap about

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current news topics, which is a lot in the US

951
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because we are being bombarded with terrible, terrible things. Sometimes

952
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we do do more international news and it's like just

953
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a way for us to like digest what's happening and

954
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cry and yell and scream about it together and process it.

955
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But other times we also talk about like influencer drama

956
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on TikTok, like we talked about helps life, yeah, internet culture,

957
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so yeah, sometimes other things. So yeah, that's what we

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do over there. If you want to join, and by

959
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joining you also help us support. First, you support us,

960
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but also you help us donate to things we care about,

961
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usually always immigration. Lately we've been doing we had been doing,

962
00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:48.400
but now we're doing donating to the car washers because

963
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and again it's on the show notes, but they are

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being targeted supported at mass members in the La County

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region since the start of this administration ramping up in June.

966
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So yeah, other than that, we hope that this is

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one lass Historia Unknown for you.

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Bye bye.

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Astoria Unknown is produced by Carmen and Christina, researched by

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Carmen and Christina, edited by Christina. You can find sources

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