Oct. 24, 2024

Cesar Chavez Part 5

Cesar Chavez Part 5

Cesario Estrada Chavez was an American labor leader and civil rights activist.. He co-founded the National Farm Workers Association, along with Dolores Huerta, which later merged with the Agricultural Workers Organizing Committee to become the United...

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Cesario Estrada Chavez was an American labor leader and civil rights activist.. He co-founded the National Farm Workers Association, along with Dolores Huerta, which later merged with the Agricultural Workers Organizing Committee to become the United Farm Workers labor union.

In part five, the final part of this Cesar Chavez series, Cristina talks about Cesar Chavez' fascination with cult leader Charles Dederich, the Synanon cult and the game. As well as anti-semitism accusations against Cesar Chavez and ending with his funeral and legacy.

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Sources

The Crusades of Cesar Chavez by Miriam Pawel
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/07/the-madness-of-cesar-chavez/308557/
https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/spl/coplonchavez2vv84.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L._Lewis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi
https://www.americamagazine.org/issue/culture/legend-unraveled
https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2015/januaryfebruary/curio/new-biography-cesar-chavez-unearths-grittytruth#:~:text=The%20union%20organizer%20was%20vehemently,friends%2C%20allies%2C%20and%20mentors.
https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/cesar-chavez-complicated-legacy-united-farm-workers-immigration/
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-03-29/cesar-chavez-problematic-miriam-pawel

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Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is

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Estoria's Unknown, a podcaster where we talk about Latin American history.

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Sometimes it's horrible and deals with heavy topics like racism, corruption,

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and genocide. But more than that, it talks about resistance,

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power and community. And Part five, Yeah or five? I

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who knew we were gonna have all these parts when

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we first sat down all those weeks ago. I couldn't.

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I couldn't have known. Wow, But this is the last part.

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I promise, this is it. I'm not tired of it.

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I'm not shocked every episode I'm shocked. I'm worried that

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parts went too far, were like I drug it out

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too long, and I included information that was like, oh,

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this is kind of boring. It was all interesting to me,

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and mostly this is what I wanted. This is the

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whole My whole purpose of this series was Parts four

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us the meat of the burger. Yeah this. I had

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no idea about any of this. So I ended Part

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four with the UfW executive board being taken to a

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board meeting. They had no idea. But this board meeting

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was at one of Synnon's compounds, and to me, it's

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unclear exactly how Sessa Chavis and Charles Detoric Dieteric, the

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leader of Synanon, became friends, how they connected, how they yeah, well,

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how they connected, how they got close to each other.

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Is that's what I can't find because I did read that,

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you know, before it was a known cult, and what

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I will get into Synanon a little bit, so the

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people might not know what Synnon is, so I will

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describe it very briefly. But before I do that, it

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looks like Synnon had a clinic in Salinas and a

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lot of UfW members went there for medical help because

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they got it for free at the clinic of the

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And I'm like wondering if maybe that's how they met.

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But a lot of members did go to Synernon for

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medical care because they had a lot of clinics. Okay,

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that makes sense, But nobody knew how things were at Synanon.

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The only one who had a little bit of an

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idea was Sisa Travis, so he knew. That makes it worse.

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I at first I found when you were gonna you

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were saying no one really knew the extent of it.

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I'm like, okay, well, I mean maybe that takes a

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little bit of the heat off of Sasad. But no,

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he knew parts of it. Yeah. So just like he

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knew a little bit about the wetline thing, he was

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just like enabling all of it. Wow, wow, exactly. So okay,

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So Synanon Synanon originally started as Tender Loving Care and

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it started in Santa Monica. And the founder, who likes

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to be called the Founder or Chuck, is Charles Dederic

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or Dieterrick. I'm not sure how to say his last name,

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but it's one of those two, for sure, didn't you know,

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I don't know, Okay, I didn't remember. I know I've

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heard his name for sure, but I don't remember. Yeah,

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so it was. It started as a drug rehab program,

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then involved into a cult. Yeah. It's described as one

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of the most dangerous and violent cults in America has

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ever seen. It started because the founder, Charles, was a

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member of AA Alcoholics Anonymous, and that wasn't culty enough

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for him, right, it wasn't culty enough. Plus also they

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didn't see they didn't help those that used drugs, those

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you know that were that's right, that's right. Yeah, they

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were not welcomed into alcoholics Anonymous because they felt like

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ding other issues are different. So then Charles started taking

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LSD at some point, and then he decided once he

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once he started taking LSD, he decided that he needed

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his own program that would help those addicted to drugs,

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and so he that's how it started Tender Loving Care.

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He had he was going to help them, just like

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Alcoholic Anonymous helps alcoholics. He's like, I'm going to create

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a program to help drug addicts. And I know that's

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like that's term people use anymore, but I'm sorry, i

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can't remember what like people with substance us to shoots. Yeah,

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so that's so long, Yeah it is. I'm sorry. I'm sorry,

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I'm going to use the right term. So that's when

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he created Tender Loving Care, and he you know, started

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by he coined the phrase today is the first day

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of the rest of your life when people came to him,

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and it gained a very significant following fast because yeah,

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who I mean, it starts off started off good, just

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so would want to help someone that's helping someone, right, Yeah,

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I'm not entirely sure how the name Synnon started, but

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Tender Loving Care became Cynernon in nineteen fifty eight and

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I don't know where the name comes from, but it

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started as a two year residential program, but then that

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evolved into like its members are not are never graduating

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because recovery is impossible, and then it it just got worse.

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So he it started as like this little place, and

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then he started buying more and more property. So then

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it became like a commune, not community, but a commune.

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There we go, commune. Commune, yeah, a commune. And then

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there was multiple communes, which they call compounds. So the

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main one was called the Home and it was again

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may have started out with the intention of trying to

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help drag God expect suit it. It didn't. It wasn't

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that it was a cult, a full blown cult. After

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a while, like towards this end or even the middle,

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it wasn't even like people who needed help were joining

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center and on it. It was like just people getting involved

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in the cult. Like it wasn't even drug users were

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not the members anymore. And they had invented this thing

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called uh the game mm hmm and so. And also

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by the end of it, they it was found that

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they had been involved in like there was abuse and

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there was crimes and yeah, all those cult things that

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happen in cults. So they the UfW members that went

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to the home is where the meeting was, the compound

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of Synanon. The home they didn't know, uh, why they

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were there was such a recruitment thing. No no, no, no,

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you'll find out. So they didn't know why they were there.

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They didn't know Cynadon was a cult. The only one

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who kept in touch with Synnon and their leader was

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the surim Is. He deeply admired Charles because he wanted

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to have a cult like him. He looked up to him.

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He's like, he's doing great work. He felt that Chuck

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Charles was able to take Cynernon to the next level,

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that it had evolved from something that helped drug addicts

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to community quote unquote community slash cult. He uses community,

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I use culte yeah, potatoes potatoes you know. Yeah, and

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so he was like, I want to do what he

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did with s and on with the UFOQ. Yeah. Charles

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told the such time is that in order for him

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to do that, to take the UfW to the next level,

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he needed to weed out those who resisted change, hence

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the purgase. He also told them there was one thing

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instrumental to sin and on and why it was in

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such good order and that way the game, oh, the

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game which involves fear, and the game was presented as

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group therapy. In it, the players all accused. In the

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players all accused one another of their wrongs, and oftentimes

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there these wrongs would be exaggerated. One person was called

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down like at the same time, everyone would like gang

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up on one person. The only way for that one

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person to escape from being like Yelda was to accuse

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someone else and then everyone else would then gang up

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on them. Yes. Yeah, supposedly it's like to correct faults

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and miscommunications, but really it's fucking terrible. Yeah, like emotionally abusive. Yeah.

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This is from a website called Playing the Game, and

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I believe that it's written by someone that had to

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do it because of the Elon school, So they wrote

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what is the game? Attack manipulation therapy. These coincide with

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the game, a toxic practice that is a foundational component

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of the trouble team industry. The game was created by

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synernon O cult masquerading under the guise of addiction treatment.

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But how did the game become so common? A former

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person involved in Synernon created the Lan School. They were

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the first ones to use the game, which was then

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used all over these places, these the trouble team industry. Right, Okay,

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so yeah, the game was presented like as quote unquote

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therapy where Sennernon members who were quote unquote recovering or not,

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they're recovering addicts. They had to do the game three

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times a week. Charles again had no background in therapy

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or like anything. Yeah, this is not a real type

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of therapy. It's supposedly it was to help addicts, but

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it was really just and the Charles himself, Charles himself

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admitted to this, but he was just like brainwashing his

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people with the game. Also, secrets would come out during

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the game which could later be used on someone. Yeah,

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like held agains them. Yeah, and so the Elon School

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it ran from nineteen seventy twenty eleven, used the game regularly.

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They called them general meetings or some shit. I don't

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know if they all the game, but yeah, they would

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be like a person would be replaced in front of

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the room and then everyone screamed at them, swore at them,

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threatened them. It's it's a terrible thing, like it's and

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so that's what the union members were there to learn. Oh, no,

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the game, because he believed the game would give him

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ultimate power and control. He believed the he believed the

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game was the key to getting the union in line.

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And yeah, it's it's a terrible thing. So Sessa, you know,

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took the board to that center, non compound to specifically

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learn the game. The board members had no idea what

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was about to happen. They didn't know again any that

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they were at a colts. They didn't know the game

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was going to happen. Only Charles and the synnon members

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knew that the union was there to learn the game.

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So like like Marshall gans he, that's the same Marshall.

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Marshall gans he thought they were going to talk about

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they were going to do board things. So he was like, oh,

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I want to talk about focusing on vegetable workers in

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Selenas and the Imperial Valley at Les. So Medina was like, well,

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I want to talk about the vineyards and Oxnard. Like

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they all had this idea of what this meeting was

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going to be about. Once they all gathered, they were confused.

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When sus such I was was like, I'm not here

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to talk about all elections, contracts, nothing, none of that.

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Let's talk about all your flauds and secrets instead. Yeah.

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He told them they were there to discuss the union's

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philosophy and that they were going to learn from the

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Sinon family and they were going to learn something called

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the game. And then he said that it was time

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to decide if it was a movement or a union.

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They needed to decide if they were going to run

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on volunteer work or volunteer work as a movement or

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pay wages as a union. But they couldn't afford that,

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and they also needed to pick. So he's telling them like, yeah,

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like we're going to be the only choices actually to

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be a movement. Yeah. Cohen, and like church Evis believed

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that they needed to pay people, but like so such,

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Chavis didn't want to pay anyone. He wanted to run

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a volunteer work. He wanted to be a movement. He

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want to be a cult work and colts don't pay members. Yeah,

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And he told them like, if the union doesn't get

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their shit together and if we don't become part of

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a movement or if we don't become a movement, I

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don't want part of it like I'm not and he

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would have often threaten to leave and wow, which shit

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like this happened. He also said that they were going

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to learn this and they were going to bring it

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back to LAPAs and they were going to do it.

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So the you know, UfW board watched the centerne members

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do the game. They were invited to join in before

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the game started. They're like, you're gonna watch how it's done,

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but you can join in if you want. When the

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yelling began, Richard Travis walked out. He's like, no, I'm

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not doing it. Oh wow. He's like I may cheat

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on my wife all the time, but this is not it. Yeah. Wow.

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This took like two hours, and then Charles spent another

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two hours explaining to the Boar and Sinsar Chavis how

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he scored everyone during the game and like what the

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purpose was, blah blah blah. He just spent out, like

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so this is like four hours now, and then he

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said that they were trained twelve UfW members in the game,

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and then Sussar Chavis announced that everyone who moved into

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La Pass after March first, nineteen seventy seven had to

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participate in the game. Anyone who lived there before that

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had a choice. Wow. None of the board members like this.

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No one but Richard, who actually walked out, you know,

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objected to it. Gans Marshall Gans said it didn't seem

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like the best use of their time. But other than that,

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no one said anything. Wow. They left the Synanon compound

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and Sisar chavis motor letter to Charles about how much

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he deeply admired him and what he was doing with Synanon. Again,

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it's a cult because he wanted a cult. He wants

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a call and he doesn't want a union. Yeah. Charles

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Deneric even proposed opening a Synanon run compound for the USW.

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It actually never happened, but like good there was talks

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of it. Wow. The game though, that should have never

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been on the table. It shouldn't have been on the

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table the game though, that did happen at LAPAs oh Man.

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To such, Javis handpicked the eleven that would be trained

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by Synernon in the game, and he carefully, like chose

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who was who was hand picked for this. He picked

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his most loyal like young believers that he felt could

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be groomed into becoming more loyal and faithful, just like

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a true culte leader. Yeah, like them was his son,

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Paul Chavis, his son in law. Oh my god, one

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of Richard's daughters, so his niece, one of the lotus words,

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his kids, his family. Yeah, all like you know, young

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adults that he could again groom. During this training, they

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all gained up on one of the Well, the game.

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It was the game. So they gained up on Juaquin

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Woodham about how he had just gotten into college and

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so he was going to go to college, and so

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they berated him. They basically yelled at him about abandoning

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the union and how he could how he was choosing

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college over the union. And he ended up like crying

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in tears and he quit college and stayed with the Union.

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Oh my god, that's horrible. Yeah. And after that first session,

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like more and more were trained, and then there were

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different sessions of the game going on every Sunday. It

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got to the point where there was a wait list

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for people to participate in the game, and then there

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was multiple games happening at the same time, from nine

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to twelve on Sundays. That's too long. That's that's insane.

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Richard Trevis and Helen Travis. That's the point to get

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everybody like, you know, like delirious. I guess because how

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long it takes, yeah, to find out weird information and

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then to manipulate to it. Just how like they sleep

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deprived cult members. It's like a control thing. Yeah, yeah,

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it's the same type of thing. Richard Chavis and Helen

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Chavis refused to participate, and then like so that was

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the game, and the game was supposed to be separate.

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But then board meetings started getting more and more tens

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and kind of taking the tone of the game. Wow.

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During every meeting there was a fight between Sasar Chavis

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and dol Rees Buerta where she'd threatened to quit. Then

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people other people already wanting to quit, so such Chavas

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started talking less and less about farm workers during meetings

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because it was preoccupied with the game. Wow. He would

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also talk about how he didn't like trust farm workers

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at meetings like these because they only care about money. Hello,

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it's a union, but that's why he's trying to change it,

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like yeah, yeah, wow, And then he's like he would

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say things like that about farm workers at these meetings.

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Then he would go in public to these public meetings

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and like safe face, yeah, and then he would say, oh,

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farm workers are the movement? Are the movement? Then hypocrite?

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But at these like you know, public meetings and rallies,

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he would leave out how he didn't want for workers

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to be part of the movement anymore. Yeah. Wow, He

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wanted to make it a religious movement or in other words,

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a cult. Yeah. And like any movement or group or cold,

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there needs to be festivities and holidays, like things for

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them to unite and celebrate. And of course this was

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such as his birthday, which became Founder's Day. When you say,

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when you say child's Day was celebrated in the Union, first,

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it's not what I expected, isn't that? Yeah? Oh my god,

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I cannot Yeah. Yeah. So March thirty first, nineteen seventy

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seven was the first Founder's Day. On that day there

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was Mariacci sinking les Magnita Stu sesa. This is so normal.

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The whole community that live Da la Pas was all

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there to sing him Man's at six am a little

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less normal. Everyone had to be there. Then they all

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had bandus and coffee together. That sounds nice, that's nice. Yeah.

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Then at noon there was a special mass for everyone.

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So yeah, he was turning fifty. This coincided with the

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first Founder's Day, and so there was a memo sent

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out to all the UfW staff. This memo said that

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this was a day to celebrate the founding of the

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union because it is the day that the Chavis family

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left the CSO and came to Delano to start the UfW. Again,

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this is a lie. They didn't. He didn't, right, he didn't, Quito,

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it doesn't match the miss making, you know what I know.

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This memo also said that it was a time of

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memory and celebration for all offices and groups. Everyone had

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to participate. They also had to spend an hour learning

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the real history of the union and conducting conducting sue

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religious celebrations. Yeah that's like yeah, and Founder's Day was

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just the beginning. Yeah, says I. Was announced that the

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sorry if you can hear my children, so that says starch.

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I was announced that the UfW needed their own mecca

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forty acres and LAPAs that was not enough. He talked

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about buying land in ox nerd ox nerd ox nerd.

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I don't know, I always say in Spanish ox mad Yeah,

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it's one of those places that I just say wrong.

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And then one of them people came up on me

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on to talk like that because that's fucking Mexican. Sorry, God,

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all right, So he was going to buy land that

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would be the location of this new religious order, which

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he called menos Why for the least? Yeah, So he

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took that from the Gospel of Matthew. And I guess

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part of that says, and I don't ask know what

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it means, but part of that says, inasmuch as you

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have done it to one of the least of these

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my brothers, you have done right and wrong. It's probably

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what it says. But you know, it's one of those

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things that like that, first of all, do that makes sense?

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But like religious people are always taking like little phrases

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from the Bible, taking out a context, and then like

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doing weird ship with it, you know what I mean,

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Like this whole thing like have you heard yoked? I'm

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equally yoked? Like what the fuck? What does that mean? Actually?

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I don't remember I saw it in a video, Okay,

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equally yoked. Yeah, I like vaguely remember what it means,

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but I can't explain it. Like yeah, like like everyone,

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it means something. It's like something about being equally religiously

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spiritually balanced that was like your partner or something like, oh,

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like I don't know. Yeah, and if I'm that wrong,

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I don't give book. But there's a bunch of like

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little things like that that they say, like the one

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I told you before, like of this world but not

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part of it, like because they think that they're better

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than everybody. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yes, and

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they want their own Christian shift for everything, including the

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government that we all have right and we don't want that. Yeah.

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So that's where name. That's where that name came from.

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Do not ask me what it means. I truly don't

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understand that. I reread that ship like three times and

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I'm like, what does this mean? I don't know, like okay, okay,

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and I couldn't tell you still after like looking at it,

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like what the fuck? I don't know. But that's where

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he got the name Los Menos of the New Religious Order.

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All of this is just insane to say, I'm you

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know what, I regret learning all of this. I'm signing

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off now. I'm actually am ending this meeting. Bitch. So

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Los Minos. He wanted everyone at Los Manos to they

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would all live in this land right, and they all

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had to work for the UfW for free, like a cult. Yeah,

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and so all this was supposed to be like a

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safe haven for farm workers and like, this plan was

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for farm workers to live there. But after he went

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to center and on like a few more times, then

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it changed and the goal wasn't even like farm workers,

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was just like people who needed help would live there.

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But he never said farm workers by name anymore, Oh

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my god. And so then he started he started using

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money that the UfW received from MLK Martin Luther King's

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Trust Fund, money that was supposed to fund the education

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services for farm workers and farm worker wages for this

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model community safe haven slash courts he wanted to create.

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It's like em bezzling. Yeah. He was also using this

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money to fix up rooms in Lapace to use for

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the game. Oh my god, remodeling for the for cult

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purposes on, Like the kitchen was still run down, but

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they needed a nice room for the game. What the

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fuck insane? And so after he announced those minos and

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what he wanted to do, then there was an official

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uf W prayer, a United Farmworker prayer that was created.

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Showed me the suffering of the most miserable, so I

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may show you. Oh sorry, so I may know my

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people's plate, but not if they're undocumented. No. I also

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note that it doesn't say farm worker anywhere. Oh that's right,

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I'm just saying. And then this prayer was published in

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the new newspaper, which was no longer in Malcriado. It

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was the President's Newsletter, which sounds culty. I've been rewatching

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The Walking Dead and it just makes me think of

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like if the governor had a newsletter in his little town,

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he would call it. It would be called Governor's newsletter. Yeah,

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and this is the president's newsletter. Newsletter. God, I feel

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like I'm saying that word weird. I didn't know what

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it is. Okay. Well, after this, Sessa Chavis became less

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and less involved with the inner workings of an actual union, contracts,

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things like that. He didn't want to be he didn't

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want none of it. He was preoccupied with his little

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religious movement and the game. He would like talk about

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who to pin against who, who to pin against each other,

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like in the game, during the game, what policies to

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bring up during the game, and so yeah, it's like

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absolutely out of control. It used to be that the

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game was reserved for Sundays, but then it was also

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done on Wednesday evenings and this ship was taking up

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like hours of everyone's time. Wow, hundreds were participating in

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the game, and so start kept the list of who

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didn't do it cold behavior came ok, including Richard Chavis.

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He still didn't want to do it. He still wasn't participating.

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So such I was were told Richard like, this is

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all part of the community, and you're part of the community.

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You have to do this. And Richard's like, no, I

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don't want part of this. Like wow, And then so

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much I was were starting naming communities like and how

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they're better like sit and on. Jim Joel Colts got maybe.

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I was like oh and then like uh. Jim Drake,

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another longtime member of the United farm Workers was like,

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you scare me when you say those names, the names

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of those losers, that's me. Little says that, that's me. Basically,

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he's like, those are just bad losers, including Synanon losers. Yes,

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and you know, people were worrying about SASA and this

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it is very worrisome. I don't know. I'm just so

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like I'm making a lot of jokes, but I feel

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like it's so sad that somebody that I don't know

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could have done so much and did so much, but

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all of this stuff just tarnishes that. And someone who

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was just so I don't know, like crazy for power

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that just it went beyond could have stopped. He could

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have listened to the many people who were like just

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doing work. Yeah, and then it got worse. So in

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the summer of nineteen seventy seven, Sisar Travis was invited

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to the Philippines by Ferdinand Marcos, the dictator. Yeah, yeah,

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I was gonna ask, do you know who Fernanda? This

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is why Larry couldn't stand this man. So okay, so

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let's backtrack. Let's backtrack a little bit. So the UfW elections,

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they were always losing the Filipino vote. And one person

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who had been an early board member of the National

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Pharmacris Association if we remember them, this was the Filipino

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union that merged with the UfW. So he was an

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early board member and he suggested a trip to the

445
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Motherland and he said he would arrange everything. So really

446
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.920
he's the one who arranged this trip. The board, after

447
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:44.400
hearing about this, advised him it was a bad idea

448
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:49.119
because the Marcos regime was involved in human rights violations,

449
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:52.000
and it was like, hey, hey, you know there's a

450
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.759
there's a dictatorship going on right now. Yeah, just for me,

451
00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:59.599
you Yeah, And they told him and he didn't listen.

452
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:03.920
He went anyway, Sis such Javis went and when he returned,

453
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:09.480
says such Javis praised the Marcos regime. He was amazed

454
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:14.400
by martial law and applauded the president, the dictator. It

455
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:17.240
doesn't shocked me, but at the same time, it does

456
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:20.359
because this is very in line with his beliefs. Right

457
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:24.160
if you heard about this before listening to part five

458
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:28.759
here or even part four, yeah, I would be shocked.

459
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:33.480
But but now, I mean people who want crave control

460
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:37.599
power for themselves, Reverew written others too, Yes, and that's

461
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.160
exactly what was happening here. And he made his uh

462
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:45.720
praise for the Marcus regime public. I think it was

463
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:49.319
like the Washington Post that he told Why would he

464
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:52.599
go around telling people? But wow, yeah, okay, And so

465
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:58.000
when they published this that he said this, people criticized

466
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:02.880
him rightfully, so yeah, and then he doubled down. Oh

467
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:06.000
my god, I just this is like somebody I don't

468
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:09.400
know some Oh never, min, I'm not going to go

469
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:11.319
on with that. I was gonna say, it's you know,

470
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:13.480
it doesn't matter. We were gonna say, you were like

471
00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:16.880
watching some win turned little fucking crazy like irl, like

472
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.279
we're watching it play out. No, I was gonna say,

473
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:22.000
it's like somebody who's like a huge like activist praising

474
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:25.680
and going on the free trip. Oh but we know

475
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:30.839
that's happened well this, yeah, but yeah, right, it's the same, Okay.

476
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:37.559
So he doubled down when people started criticizing. Like there

477
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:41.839
was a a good friend of Fred Ross and longtime

478
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.480
like believer involved in the Catholic Church who was in

479
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:47.839
New York when he saw he read the Washington Post

480
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:50.279
he called, says sad Or I don't remember he might

481
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:52.279
have read that, but yeah, and he was like, it's

482
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.519
I'm appalled by what I read. Please tell me that

483
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:57.519
this is not true. I cannot believe that you, a

484
00:29:57.640 --> 00:29:59.400
man of like blah blah blah blah blah, would be

485
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.880
saying this and says then a double down, he didn't

486
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:07.200
respond to the letter. Instead at a meeting, I keep saying, meeting,

487
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:12.640
but they're like public, right, Yeah, so I like this

488
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:17.559
kind of rally at a Deleno high school. He doubled down,

489
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:22.119
and he said, he announced that he wasn't praising martial law.

490
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:26.960
He was praising President Marcus Okay, which is not better

491
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:32.039
the person who enacted Marshall. Yeah, it's not better. Then

492
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:37.160
he further doubled down. That's like saying, you're you're against

493
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.839
uh human rights and relations and mass incarceration, but you

494
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.200
love bookle Like you're not praising the state of exception,

495
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:49.319
you're just praising book. Yeah. It's it's literally the same thing.

496
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:54.880
So then he doubled down more. He quadruple down. He said,

497
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.839
when he was there, he didn't see any human rights violations,

498
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:00.160
he didn't see any torture abuse, and so that's why

499
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.160
he was like the influencer were taken to the she

500
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:08.720
and yeah, or all the influencers to go to some

501
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:12.279
places where they say it's so safe. Nanessa Hutchins went

502
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:17.759
to the Philippines and Duarte yes, Mark you know, yeah,

503
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.519
is that his name? Yeah, it is, yeah. Another it

504
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:24.720
was like dictator family who's and and she you know,

505
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.839
didn't speak out against him nothing, she yeah, yea, yeah,

506
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.519
yeah that's what he did. And then when the when

507
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:35.400
the attention, negative attention and criticism was too much, he

508
00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:38.200
simply just retreated into La Pass and didn't take any calls,

509
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:44.839
no nothing. Now it would be an apology video, but

510
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.880
an insincere one, of course, he I didn't think he

511
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:51.119
would do one. He went to La Pass and just

512
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:56.880
hit hit there. Wow. Then, you know, during all this,

513
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:01.039
there was more and more demands for the Union to

514
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:05.200
do union things, and he refused to do anything. He

515
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:09.720
just wanted to focus on his religious community thing, the cole.

516
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.640
It got so bad that people that had been part

517
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:18.880
of the UfW since the beginning for years, we're starting

518
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:23.640
to resign. Jim Drake, Elisel Medina over half the lawyers.

519
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:29.039
Because it was also over pay. They had asked for

520
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:33.400
like a four hundred dollars increase yearly they made. These

521
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.839
lawyers were making less than twenty thousand dollars a year.

522
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:42.400
So it was like all this was happening. But also

523
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:46.039
because he was like, we're a movement now, my religious movement.

524
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:51.000
We're not paying people were volunteers like so, you know,

525
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:56.960
more mass quitting. And then even Helen had moved out

526
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:02.200
at this point of Lapass his wife oh umms, wow,

527
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:04.000
you know all this was getting to be a law

528
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:08.160
But also she found a she was she was filling

529
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:10.720
in for the secretary his secretary when she found a

530
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:12.359
love letter written to Sis such I was by an

531
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:17.079
eighteen year old. This man was fifty and this was

532
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.559
like not unrequited or whatever the word is. No, No,

533
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:26.720
this was really yeah, Oh my god, God, you can't

534
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:33.079
see the Carmen. Is hu mean? I really just wait

535
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.599
till next March. I'm buying some kind of T shirt.

536
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:41.480
I'm wearing it all day I'm working. Yeah. Yeah, because

537
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:48.160
I'm divesting from such harvest day, I'm opposing it. Yeah yeah,

538
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:55.599
and yeah, I mean you know same Yeah, a love

539
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:57.759
letter from an eighteen year old bood he did have

540
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:01.039
a relationship with Helen, asked secret Oh and also when

541
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:04.119
Helen read this, she was inclined instead of typical Mexican

542
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.719
old mom responds instead of confronting to such chavist about it,

543
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:11.159
she was going to drive to I forget where the

544
00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:13.920
letter was written from. It's one of the It wasn't

545
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:15.920
she go there? She was gonna go there from front

546
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:19.199
the girl. Yeah, yes, I don't know. Is she the

547
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:23.119
same age a sessa? No, she's eighteen no, no, no, Helen, Yes,

548
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:28.039
there's like two women was going to go confront eighteen

549
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.880
year old I'm sorry over what her husband was doing.

550
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:33.880
She I don't think she actually went, but she was

551
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:36.599
like going to she was plenty of yet she asked, uh,

552
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:40.480
the secretary if she had read other letters like this before,

553
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:43.760
and secretary lied and said no, but really these letters

554
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.280
were like super common and all the time, says she

555
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.519
was cheat disgusted all the time. And apparently with young

556
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:57.119
Oh that sounds so disgusting than his daughter. That is

557
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:01.239
so fucking gross. That is so gross. Like cheating if

558
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:03.280
it was women in his age is still wrong, right,

559
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:06.480
but I wouldn't be as grossed out. Yeah, yeah, it's wrong.

560
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.039
So there's like a huge power and balance here no

561
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:15.920
matter who he's cheating with, because he is the literal

562
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:19.039
leader of this movement and he is all these women

563
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.440
he's sleeping with or I mean it's even hard to

564
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.480
say women always they're eighteen though they're like, you know,

565
00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:27.599
there's there was no one under eighteen. Technically they're of age,

566
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:31.719
yeah yeah, but their teen that's a huge gap. But

567
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.079
like he's going to where the farm workers are at.

568
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.000
He is the leader of their union heroes, to the

569
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:42.000
farm workers, or wherever he goes. It's it's wrong on

570
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.639
so many levels. These letters were common, These affairs were common.

571
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:49.320
Everyone knew about it, everyone lied. It was a well

572
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:51.719
kept secret, like nobody said anything even though they knew

573
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.159
he was doing this pretty much every like stop that

574
00:35:54.320 --> 00:36:01.079
was made like disgusting, extremely so she left us, though

575
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:05.199
she did end up moving back a few months later. Anyway,

576
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.719
you'd think the mask quitting Helen leaving would be a

577
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:15.199
wake up call, but Sisa Travis's colt like behavior only worsened.

578
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:18.800
He took a six day mind control class in La.

579
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:28.119
What the fucks is that? And after this mind control lesson,

580
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:34.119
I'm so done. I wish we were recording video take

581
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:36.320
it anywhere. So that's why we need to start. I know,

582
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:40.239
I don't someone asked us to put it on YouTube. Yeah, okay,

583
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:44.440
So after this mind control class, he announced that he

584
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:48.360
could heal people with his hands. They're just I don't

585
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:51.199
even have the words anymore. No, I know, I don't,

586
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:56.079
I don't know, I don't. So while all this was

587
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:59.280
going on, the Time magazine published a story about a

588
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.320
Kooki cult. That's what they wrote. A cookie cult name

589
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:07.400
Cookie Cookie like cookie like oh okay, okay, why yes, Yes,

590
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:14.440
a kookie cult called synanon Time magazine and they talked

591
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:18.199
about how the cult leader, Charles, had forced members to

592
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:22.239
swap spouses, the they talked about the game, They talked

593
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:26.519
about UH stories of members being forced to UH to

594
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.119
be cast traded. And when the article came out, Charles

595
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.159
asked called SASA up his old buddy Sessa Chavez, and

596
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.199
he asked the Sachas to support them in a boycott

597
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:42.119
against Time magazine, which says that agreed to and he

598
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:44.840
was like, yeah, the story, this is just a vicious

599
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:51.400
attack on Synernon. You know Cohen a long time, he's

600
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:54.559
like one of the lawyers. So he asked like, how

601
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.280
can we even support this when it's been found that

602
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.679
Cynonon is an armed camp with a bunch of weapons,

603
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:05.199
and we're like four non violence? Yeah, what happened to that? Right?

604
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:07.519
And t such I was just like, no, no, this

605
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:09.960
is just an attack on religious freedom. We need to

606
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:15.440
support the boycott of Time magazine. But then a little

607
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.639
bit after the article came out November nineteen seventy eight,

608
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:23.519
the LAPD rated the Synonyon compound because a month before that,

609
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.480
the lawyer that represented ex Synnon members who were trying

610
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.280
to sue Synanon was bitten by a rattleslink that had

611
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.280
been left in his mailbox and that had been tied

612
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:40.199
to Synnon. And so they found incriminating evidence that included

613
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:43.599
Charles saying, don't mess with us, you can get killed dead,

614
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:50.559
literally dead. And so Charles was arrested for attempted murder.

615
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:54.320
And then worse information was uncovered about Synanon, including the

616
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:57.960
force you know, castrations, vasectomies, the tons of abuse, the

617
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.519
sexual abuse, the everything. Everything keeps lying, So what since

618
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:05.280
I have to say now? After this all became public,

619
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.960
the UfW finally stopped playing the game and cut ties

620
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:14.400
was sitting on. Took long enough, Yeah, but things didn't

621
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:18.920
really get better. The UfW got involved in a melon

622
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.360
strike in nineteen seventy eight, but by now they had

623
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.559
lost most of its members, most of his contracts. During

624
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:29.400
these strikes, picketers went into the fields to drive away

625
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:33.000
those who were still working tried to. When a foreman

626
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:37.119
opened fire and killed a picketer named Rufino Contreras, there

627
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.480
was a huge funeral in his honor, rightfully so, and

628
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.880
then after the funeral, there were more violent clashes between pictars.

629
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:48.960
It was a mess. And so on the second anniversary

630
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:54.920
of Rufino Contreras's murder during a UfW meeting, Okay, well,

631
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:56.599
let me back up a little bit. So such Aves

632
00:39:56.679 --> 00:40:02.760
had blamed Cohen and Gans the you know, we've said

633
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:04.559
their name is a bunch, so I can't remember their

634
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:08.320
first name, so I'm sorry. Yeah, they had been put

635
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:12.039
in charge of this like campaign and they had like

636
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.760
preemptively decided to strike or pick it or something, and

637
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.320
so he blamed them for all of this. And around

638
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.800
the same time, there was supposed to be a voting

639
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:25.280
for new board members of the United farm Workers because

640
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:27.320
you know, so many people had resigned or gotten fired,

641
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.639
and so Sisa Jrvis wanted to put like his son,

642
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:35.400
his son in law and someone else in the board

643
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:37.559
in place. But there still needed to be a process.

644
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.920
There still needed to be a vote. But he didn't

645
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:41.960
want this. He wanted to hit them people he picked.

646
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.760
If those people got chosen, there would be no more

647
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:49.760
farm workers on the board at all. That's ridiculous for

648
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:55.119
United farm Workers. Yeah, and so Gans and Cohen suggested

649
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:58.800
these three other people who had been farm workers, and

650
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:04.119
you know, if you're electing board members there should be options. Yeah.

651
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:12.039
But because they made these suggestions, in response, hardcore Chavistas

652
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.880
passed out pamphlets and I hate this. They passed out

653
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.119
pamphlets that read, the two Jews, Gans and Cohen are

654
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:24.639
trying to undermine the Union. Oh my god, outside forces

655
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:27.239
intend to force our presidents to start travist to resign.

656
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.199
The Jews want to take over the union, Gans and Cohen.

657
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:34.239
The Jews God used our people to control the legal

658
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:38.039
department and negotiators. This is bullshit. They think they are

659
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:42.679
superior to Mexicans. I hate this. That's what they passed

660
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:47.320
out in English and Spanish. Oh my god. Sorry who

661
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:51.960
did these pamphlets? Sessa like Chiv hardcore Chavistas, his biggest appolicast.

662
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.519
But he didn't stop them. He saw them, he saw

663
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:59.880
these pamphlets, and he didn't stop it. Okay, So essentially

664
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.800
co signing by not stopping it exactly exactly, like why

665
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:06.639
would you want anti Semitism to be a part of

666
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:10.280
your like campaign or whatever? Exactly. And so now there

667
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:13.719
was allegations he was being called anti Semitic, rightfully, so

668
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:18.800
he didn't stop this yeah, and I tried to confirm this,

669
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:20.920
but the book didn't mention it, and nothing I looked

670
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.280
up mention it either. But I believe that Gans and

671
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:27.400
Cohen both resigned after this. Oh okay, but again they

672
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.719
were like some of the very early, early early supporters

673
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:35.960
of Cistar Chabbis, like it's just crazy. So yeah, they were.

674
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:39.400
I believe they were gone. CBS got word of this

675
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:43.320
anti semitism and other fishy things going on, and they

676
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:45.519
tried to do a piece on Sistar Chabist. So they

677
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.360
went to La Pass to try and do an interview

678
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:50.280
Whichessa had agreed to, but then he refused to speak

679
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:52.480
with them, like alone, and he had like fifty people

680
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:54.960
with him at all times. He's like, you can just

681
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.079
do the interview in front of everyone. What's the issue.

682
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.800
But it's like, come on, what do you mean. CBS

683
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:02.599
did end up doing the story, even though he didn't

684
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:06.480
really like cooperate, and they reported some very concerning things

685
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:10.800
like the UfW receiving a seven hundred thousand, seven hundred

686
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:13.519
Sorry I can't see big numbers, seven hundred and ninety

687
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:17.960
six thousand dollars grant to develop a system to help

688
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:21.519
rural people connect to health clinics and service centers, but

689
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.679
like none of this existed, Like where did the money go?

690
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.360
Basically is what they were reporting. Wow. So fraud on

691
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:35.039
top of everything else. Yeah wow. And then you know,

692
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:37.920
around this time as well, Jimmy Carter lost the election.

693
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:41.599
Ronald Reagan was president, and Jimmy Carter was like very

694
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:45.039
keen on funding UfW projects like this and just giving

695
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:49.760
them money for things, and Renald Reagan was like nope,

696
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.239
and he took all that away. And then they demanded

697
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:55.280
for the union to return two hundred fifty thousand dollars.

698
00:43:56.920 --> 00:44:01.880
So now they were like they couldn't afford this. Membership

699
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:05.440
continue to decline. The union had to turn to other

700
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:09.559
means of survival, like political funding and trying to get

701
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:11.599
in with like I don't know, Democrats and stuff for

702
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.920
things like that. Then in the nineteen eighties they got

703
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.559
involved in commercial activities to raise funds. So this involved

704
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:22.000
buying properties and renovating them and then selling them. But

705
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.599
then the Fresnel b put out a paper where they

706
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:29.480
revealed that these housing projects were all built by non

707
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:37.159
union contractors, which is embarrassing as a union, that's embarrassing. Yeah, yeah,

708
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.679
and since that was still like on the head of

709
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:45.280
the cool. Yeah. Yeah, there were more purges after this,

710
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:53.639
and by now it's like who's even left, Yeah, says

711
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:57.119
sar Chavi started making rounds at colleges and universities that

712
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.639
paid him three eight hundred dollars per appearing, which he

713
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:03.159
kept for himself. No, I mean I think like he

714
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.800
was using it for the union, And it was always

715
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:10.199
the same speech about problems farm workers faced. Again, he

716
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:13.800
hadn't like in meetings mentioned farm workers in a long time,

717
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.480
so he started going back to his roots then or

718
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:21.599
what these publicly, Yeah, these speeches he talked about the

719
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:25.760
dangers of pesticides, which yeah, those are real dangers, yes,

720
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:28.400
And the union did start trying to do more, Like

721
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:31.559
they put out a short documentary about the dangers of

722
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.559
pest science and cancer and people were mad about it

723
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.719
because they were like, didn't hold back during this documentary

724
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:41.559
because yeah, okay, pesticides are very dangerous of farmworkers. Yeah.

725
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:43.800
There was even like some group of parents that tried

726
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:47.360
to sue the uf W for the documentary that was

727
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:50.320
aired because it was shown to their students kids at

728
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:54.039
like a high school. High schools are old enough to

729
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:57.199
see that. Yeah, yeah, So you know, they were going

730
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:01.400
back to doing some things like that. Then in nineteen

731
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:04.159
ninety two, the UfW found themselves in a legal battle

732
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.960
with a grower named Bruce Church lettuce grower. He was

733
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:11.960
doing them for libel and for illegally threatening supermarkets from

734
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:17.079
selling trying to stop supermarkets from selling lettuce illegally. And

735
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:19.840
so this case had been going on for a while already,

736
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.760
and there was a lot of like retrials and shit

737
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:26.159
like that. So then as part of this trial and

738
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:29.199
April nineteen ninety three, it says that had to testify,

739
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:31.639
and so he did his like day one of court,

740
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:35.320
he did his day two of court and of part

741
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.920
of this lawsuit, and then he went home or wherever

742
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.920
this lawsuit was happening, he went to. I forgot to

743
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.440
write it down bad, Like wherever he was staying for

744
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:48.000
where this was happening, I write it down. So he

745
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:51.079
was staying at like a UfW member's house during this

746
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:55.679
and while he was he was supposed to be up.

747
00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:58.880
You know, it was April twenty third, nineteen ninety three now,

748
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:01.000
and he was in a way by nine am. He

749
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:03.400
was a very early riser. So when he wasn't up

750
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:06.000
by that time. Nine am. They finally went to go

751
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:07.800
check on his room, and that's the when they found

752
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.239
him dead. And I actually didn't know how he died.

753
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:14.039
So he was sixty six. He was founded in his room.

754
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:17.760
They did an autopsy which was a little inconclusive, but

755
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:21.639
it was most likely that he died from an electrolyte

756
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:28.079
imbalanced brought on by his recent fast Dude, they told

757
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:33.039
him to stop fasting. Yeah, yeah, years ago. But anytime

758
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:36.599
like there was like a pressure or like a court

759
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.360
thing like his, he coped with it by fasting. I

760
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:42.559
think so he would be like, it's bringing me clarity.

761
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.360
But also I think sometimes if it was bad enough,

762
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.880
like his condition, it might like render sympathy from a judge,

763
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.800
you know. Yeah, and they worked in the past. Yeah,

764
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.320
so I'm like, why not right again, Well because you

765
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:57.840
might die? And he did. Yeah, like he was older

766
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.280
now and back then it had affected him so badly. Yeah,

767
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.239
so that's probably what he passed away from. And his funeral,

768
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.719
of course, was a huge deal. Like you know, regardless

769
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:11.960
of everything we've shared in part four and five, he

770
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:15.039
did really good things. Of course, the funeral was going

771
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.960
to be huge. He left instructions for how and when

772
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.079
he wanted to be buried. So he wanted like a

773
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.639
simple casket, which Richard built himself. It took him like

774
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:27.119
thirty eight hours to do it. He wanted to be

775
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:31.199
buried next to his dogs in LAPAs, so I mean

776
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:34.199
that's kind of sweet. It is also, I don't know

777
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:36.599
if I've shared the dogs' names and all this have

778
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:41.719
I I don't remember Boycott and welga oh, I love

779
00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:45.840
that honestly, the cutest things ever. There were ten thousand

780
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:48.480
seats set up for the funeral, and that wasn't it.

781
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:52.000
That was not enough. That was that seated a fourth

782
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.199
of the crowd that had gathered for the funeral. After this,

783
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:57.159
of course, there was a more private funeral for his

784
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:00.519
like closest family and friends, but there was a three

785
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:04.239
mile funeral possession where one hundred and twenty pall bearers

786
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.960
took turns carrying his coffin. Wow. And I mean, like

787
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.960
we've been saying throughout this whole series, there's no denying

788
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:15.320
his legacy. Yeah. Man, some of those things in parts

789
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:24.000
four and five sucked truly, but we've reached the end. Wow.

790
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:26.920
I feel like, if anything, this just goes to show

791
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:32.639
like how flawed somebody can be, and that like we

792
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:38.559
shouldn't put people on pedestals exactly exactly, like yeah, he

793
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:41.079
did really good things, but man, some of the things

794
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:46.039
were terrible, like the wetline, Oh my god. Yeah, and

795
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:50.480
so it's just I don't know, it's like it's like

796
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:52.840
you said, we shouldn't be putting people on pedestels because

797
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:56.880
like I don't know, people get like it's like, okay,

798
00:49:56.920 --> 00:50:00.440
if we again, canceling isn't real. But if we quote

799
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:05.159
unquote canceled so such habits thing, what like who do

800
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:07.800
we look up to? Who do we who is you know,

801
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:13.480
like because he's one of the only celebrated Latino people

802
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:19.480
Latino man, I mean in the US. And it's like, personally,

803
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:25.119
I have canceled him. Yeah, I uh yeah, no same.

804
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:28.639
And I'm not I'm not gonna go and demand him

805
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.159
to not have names. No, no, I'm not gonna tell

806
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:34.280
other people to cancel him. No, just personally, I will

807
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.840
not be observing since Travis. They personally, Yeah, it's just

808
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:40.559
too much. The bad is too much. Yeah, and I'm

809
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:44.719
not saying that amazing things didn't happen. Yeah, but it

810
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:46.440
wasn't only because of him, right, it was all the

811
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:49.119
people that were involved in the movement. Yeah, and like

812
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:53.079
at the end, you know, he wasn't even for the

813
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:56.280
farm workers. Yeah, it was for himself. And that's what

814
00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:58.840
happened to me. You put people on pedestals. Yeah. Yeah,

815
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:05.559
but we have reached our the end of our saga saga, saga, saga.

816
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:10.599
I don't know, I'm sure I said it wrong. Wow, well, man,

817
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:15.480
do you have anything to say before we think? No?

818
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:18.559
I don't think so. Again. The book was The Crusades

819
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.800
Crusade of Sisa Chavez by Miriam Powell. Reading them, I

820
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.000
even left out a lot, like I couldn't, I could

821
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:28.119
not include at all. That was my main source. But

822
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:29.880
everything has linked in the show notes of course, and

823
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.400
the name of the book is there. But man, yeah,

824
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:39.440
I just I was shocked, like just you know, obviously

825
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:41.679
you're not going to tell elementary school teacher or elementary

826
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:45.519
school kids about this, but but like it's just it's

827
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:50.000
like it's partially like damn, well, what do we have left?

828
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:53.440
But but it all goes to say, like you said,

829
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:56.719
like we don't need heroes. Yeah. Yeah, at the end

830
00:51:56.760 --> 00:52:00.079
of the day, the UfW is like nowhere near the

831
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:02.679
numbers that they were, and like farm workers are still

832
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:06.519
so vulnerable, but they're still doing great things. Oh yeah, no,

833
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.760
they are still doing work to help them. They don't

834
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:11.880
have the reach they used to in the in the

835
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:16.840
in it's prime, but like we can still try, as

836
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:20.000
you know, me and you like to do things to

837
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:23.119
support farm workers. Like if there's you know, a vote

838
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.199
we need to do like to help them, yeah, let's

839
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:27.880
do it. If there's funds we need to like help

840
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:32.159
donate to, yeah, let's let's do it. Because yeah, they're

841
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:37.280
they're the ones who deserve this. Like it's like that

842
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.159
quote or slogan they feed America. Farmers don't feed America

843
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:46.519
right right, Like small time farmers are not even the

844
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:49.480
thing right with farmers are like corporation backed. Yeah, and

845
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:53.159
we don't support corporations around here, right right. Farm workers

846
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:57.159
keep America fed. Yeah, And honestly, like marchal Fair should

847
00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:01.079
be farm Worker Day, That's what I'm calling it in

848
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:04.079
my head. Yeah, and I will be like you know,

849
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:06.960
on all days, but especially that day, looking for ways

850
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:12.639
to like you know, support but yeah, but yeah, usually

851
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.480
usually especially when school is starting and in like cities

852
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:22.800
like Fresno, Salina, you can find like like, oh, we're

853
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:26.400
doing a school drive to help farm worker kids get

854
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:29.079
this or this or that. You can usually find those

855
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:32.679
very easily. So you know things like that. It's more

856
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:35.360
important than like, I don't know, honoring to such travest

857
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:38.440
to me. I agree, I agree. So yeah, that's that's

858
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:40.679
all I have to say. Okay, no, no, I'm hungry.

859
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:44.679
I'm yeah for two hours though you don't know it

860
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:50.480
because it's gonna be part yeah, but yeah, okay, shut yes,

861
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:52.599
chat that you get to hear the whole thing. Thank

862
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:57.840
you everyone for listening. Great review generously recommend us to

863
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:02.639
spend too long on their friends. Christina's brain, So that's

864
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:08.119
I was killed. Nah, I'm just kidding. Oh my god. Anyway,

865
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:10.880
we hear us, so you rotten? Sorry, no, let's stop.

866
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.559
We hope this was one less you study unknown for you,

867
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:16.360
goodbye bye