Dec. 5, 2024

A Brief History of Monsanto and the Horrible Things They've Done

A Brief History of Monsanto and the Horrible Things They've Done

Monsanto started as a chemical company founded 1901. Later, the company became a major producer of genetically engineered crops. 

In this episode, Cristina shares a brief history of Monsanto, to get all of us up to speed on the topic she wants to...

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Monsanto started as a chemical company founded 1901. Later, the company became a major producer of genetically engineered crops.

In this episode, Cristina shares a brief history of Monsanto, to get all of us up to speed on the topic she wants to cover: Leydy Pech, the Maya woman who defeated Monsanto. Before getting to that, it would be good to know what Monsanto actually is.

Books mentioned: Seed Money: Monsanto’s Past and Our Food Future by Bartow J. Elmore.The World According to Monsanto by Marie-Monique RobinThe Monsanto Papers: Deadly Secrets, Corporate Corruption, and One Man’s Search for Justice by Carey Gillam

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Music Credit: Hustlin (Instrumental) by Neffex

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_B._Shapiro
https://web.archive.org/web/20161220080213/
https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=aa766891fe32cf9ae7f87f3c7d3611a3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_(herbicide)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polychlorinated_biphenyl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT
https://www.trustwelllaw.com/companies/monsanto
https://www.newamerica.org/the-thread/behind-the-company-that-changed-agriculture-as-we-know-it/
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/brazil-supreme-court-rules-bayer-must-return-252-mln-gmo-soy-royalties-2023-02-17

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Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is

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Estodias Unknown, a podcast where we talk about Latin American history.

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Sometimes it's horrible and deals with heavy topics like racism, corruption,

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and genocide. But more than that, it's also about resistance,

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power and community. And today it's not about any of that.

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It's all about corruption and terrible things. Oh wow, wow,

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wow wow. Yeah, let's just let's get straight into it.

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I recently saw that. Well, okay, let me backtrack a

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little bit. I was looking for topics because I was

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in a little topic slump. Happens what happens to most

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of us as in me? Yeah, while I was looking

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for topics, I came across this headline, Meet the Bayan

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beekeeper who beat me Santo. Wow. I was like, what

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this sounds like an amazing topic. Yeah, but before we

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can even get to her, her name is Lady Peck.

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And before we can even get to her the Maya

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bee keepers, we need to know what is monsanto? Yeah?

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What is their history in Latin America? Not good? None

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of it. And that is how my journey into all

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of this began. And I'm thinking this is going to

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be a three parter oh wow. Wow, that means one

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more week than I thought to finish my research. Oh

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my god. No, do not rely on this. I won't.

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I will move forward as if and I am. Yeah,

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I'm digging. Today we're just gonna talk about the history

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of Monsanto. What is Monsanto? Very basic like Monsanto one?

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Oh one? Okay, ok, very surface level Monsanto. Part two

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we're just going to get into Monsanto and tear things

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they've done in Latin America, and we'll cover different Latin

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American countries. And then part three will be about Lady Peck.

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Oh yeah, Lady Peck and the Maya beekeepers and what

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they have to do with Monsanto. How's that happened? Wow?

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I'm looking forward to all of this. I love a

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three partner from you, not for me, but from you.

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I knew you were going to say that. No, I'm

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like super interested in this because I know a little

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bit about Monsanto. Yeah, and like I said in that

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Patreon episode we recorded, I was like, what is Monzanto

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a wine? But that was like ten years ago. I

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Sasan knew they were like a little bit shady and

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they have to do something with something with seeds. That's

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all they knew about them, Yeah, the GM the genetically

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modified seeds or whatever. I knew some of the horrible

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stuff they've done, like here. And then I think I

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learned a little bit about the beekeepers, the Miami beekeepers,

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because of the podcast has told you about the busted business.

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I was gonna say, how do you how did you

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know about that? How did you find that podcast? I

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don't remember, Oh you know what, I don't know if

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you remember a long time ago. Actually, okay, I don't know.

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I don't remember where I found it, but somebody I

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saw I recommend it somewhere because someone was saying, oh, yeah,

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if you like like a very ADHD type of like

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random like not random, but I kind of explained like

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a top energetic like yeah for frenetic energy, frantic energy.

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I don't know, I don't know what to say. I

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don't know call it like uh, and I can't remember

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where I saw it. But they're like, if you like this,

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you also like this, And they explained a little bit

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how it was, and they're like, she's very ADHD and

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that's how I found it. I want to say it

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was probably read it, but I don't pro that sounds

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like a Reddit comment. Yeah would leave so interesting anyway. Yeah,

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if we'll get into it, let's start at the beginning, Okay, Okay,

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Monsanto started as a chemical company founded in a one

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by John Queeny. Sid No, but I was like accidentally

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trying so hard not to say Johnny Queeny. So some articles,

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when you look them up, it says it started as

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an agricultural company. It started as a chemical company, not

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agricultural though. If you look at their website today, it

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says they're a new company, agricultural company, and they have

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ties to a company from one hundred to something years ago. Okay,

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so like rewriting history, very Coca Cola. Yes, yeah, So

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John Queeney started Monsanto at age forty two after working

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in the pharmaceutical industry for thirty years. And you might think, wait,

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if he's forty two, how has it been working for

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these years. Well, that's because he's a nepochild labor. Okay,

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this was a child labor was still very much a

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there was this acad nineteen oh one is okay, yeah,

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h So he started working at twelve years old and

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has just been hustling since then. I'm sorry, I just

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think of oh my God, what's his name from Parkston

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a req yes uh Ron, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forget

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the quote me too, but that's like it's vaguely in

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my head because I do about child labor. I remember

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the concept of it, concepts of a quote. So yeah,

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he started working at age twelve and then yeah, he

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just made his way to the top until he had

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enough money to start his own company, which he named

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after his wife, Orga Mendez Monsanto. No, oh Mentees Monsanto.

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I didn't know that's where it came from. Wow. Yeah,

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just a little bit about her family. This is a

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super super rich Jewish family from Spain. I knew I

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was gonna gues Spain right away. Wowow yeah. And I'm

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not going to get into the history of Jewish people

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Spain and all that. That's a whole other topic. So

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her family had a huge role in the founding of

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colonial Louisiana in the eighteenth century. They arrived to lease

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Louisiana in the seventeen sixties, and yeah, they basically founded,

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like helped found find whatever colonized Louisiana colonize, Yeah, in

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other words, colonized. They also had a huge role in

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the Atlantic Sleeve trainor they did. Yeah, and they enslaved

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Africans in their plantations in Mississippi. They enslaved at least

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fifty one Africans for personal use, but they traded and

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sold way more. Wow. So yeah, that's the namesake of Monzonta.

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Even the name is evil. Yes, precisely. Why I want

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to include this just because from its roots, their first

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product was saccharine in artificial suitet. Then they added other

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products slowly, like vanolin, which is the vanilla sweetener, and aspirin. Eventually,

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during John Quiney's reign as the person in charge of Monsanto,

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it was still just a chemical company that did food additives. Really,

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that's what all they did. Did they also give us

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Red forty, the thing that's poisoning everyone. I don't think so. Actually,

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I am again making things up right now. Or speculating

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is the wordulating? Yeah. Coca Cola was their biggest customer.

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They produced caffeine for Coca Cola and the vanolin and

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then they got super rich from that. But World War

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One happened and that kind of just blew Monsanto up.

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They filled the hole that Europe was filling in this

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like market because before like aspirin was a German imported

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from Germany, and of course World War One were like,

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we don't want anything from Germany, right, right, the whole

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the whole thing, the whole thing. Yeah. So now Monsanto

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was providing all this aspirin and they got even more rich.

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And then in nineteen twenty six, Monsanto pretty much created

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their own little town in Illinois, Illinois. Oh, I was like, okay,

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you correct myself, that's correct. You wrong, It's called Sage

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SAJA yeah today. Oh well, like, why doesn't sound so

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familiar because of the podcast before? Yeah it is. Yeah,

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so you need to like block all that. Okay, I

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know that was comments deleteed deleted. Oh my god. So

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it's called SAJ now, but back then it was called Monsanto.

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And since SAJ was founded or created, the mayor has

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always been part of the Sage family. Oh my god.

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M hm. And this whole town was created for one reason,

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just to be a company town, a Monsanto town. So

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they produced the chemical PCB. And if you didn't know,

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and sorry side note, but I tried to profre my notes,

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but I may have switched it, and so you might

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hear PBC at some points. But the PCCB. Okay, yeah,

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so yeah, if you hear me switches because I was ADHD.

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I just didn't. I thought I read it correctly. You know,

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it happens. Yeah, I will flip letters a numbers anyway.

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This chemical does it all coolants, oils, hydraulic fluid, adhesives, ceilings, caulking,

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a lot of things, a lot. It's very versatile, also

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super important for war things. And it also happened to

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be very toxic and it is now banned from international use.

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I was about to say that can't be good, right,

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like for it to have that many uses, and lo

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and behold was not. Yeah. It takes like decades or

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longer to breakdown, which is why back then they found

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it so useful. But now it's like, oh my god,

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this is so toxic. One of love Forever chemicals. Yeah. Yeah,

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and you know, since it was discovered before it was banned,

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there's like more than one million tons out in the

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world of this chemical. Wow. And of course, like they

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didn't know what they didn't know when they founded this town,

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so but then when they did know, they ignored So

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this town. You know, back when I was actively making this,

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it produced ninety nine percent of PCB like in the US.

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So all of it, wow, until it was banned in

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nineteen seventy nine. And just to show you how this

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town functioned, there were almost no tax levies. And back

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when I was first made it was a population of

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three hundred people. There was only four streets. They were

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all named after Monsanto executives. And then there was a

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twenty four hour strip club, which is still there. Still

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twenty four hour strip club. Yeah, I remember hearing about that,

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not like I was there inside. Oh you were there,

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saw Jay, I've been there. Wow, where is it again?

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You imagine? Yeah? Can you imagine as being in Mississippi?

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I know, I'm sorry, Okay, I couldn't even imagine me

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in Oklahoma. My ass only went there because of you.

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The worst place I've ever been. Yeah, yeah, it was

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not fun. So today has a population of one hundred

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and forty one people, and sixteen of those one hundred

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forty one people are police officers. Oh my god. Yeah.

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And it doesn't have a school or fire department or

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a grocery store, but it does have a strip club

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and a baseball stadium, so there's not the hill. And

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this whole town was created to provide minimal regulation and

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no taxes for Monsanto. Wow, that's it still a tax haven.

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Yeah yeah, and so yeah, that's how the town became

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the main manufacturer or the town and Monsanto became the

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main manufacturer of PCB during World War Two, and from

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there it just kept growing. Manzanto acquires Swan Chemical Company

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in Alabama, then Thomas and Hawk Walt Laboratories in Dayton, Ohio.

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This was when Charles Allen Thomas became the president of

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Monsanto and then the board chair until nineteen seventy. During

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his time in charge, Monzanto got involved with the Manhattan Project.

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Oh crossover. M hmm yeah, crossover. Oh, we should have

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put that on our bingo. That needs to be on

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our being. Okay, we'll take one of them out and

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put crossover before we post our big on card. We

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will fix and see how do we phrase it though, Like,

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isn't crossover like the best option because like it happens

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all the time. We just write crossover, Yeah, because how

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else would you put that? Oh that wasn't another episode?

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Oh yeah, I guess so we could just put the

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whole sentence in there. Yeah yeah, oh call back Yeah

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that works. So yeah, Manhattan Project, although Charles Allen Thomas

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he didn't want to move to where the Mahaan Project

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was happening, of course. Yeah, so then they created the

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Dayton Project so he could just work from home in Dayton, Ohio.

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Oh my god. On the Dayton Project part of the

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Manhattan Project. And so they assisted in the development of

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the first nuclear weapon. And what their part was was

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being the ones to create the thing that was needed

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for the separation of the atom. So without them, the

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atomic bomb wouldn't have been possible. Thank you, Monsanto for

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ruining all of our lives. Yeah, one of the mini atrocities.

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We're going to see the list here again, just one

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of many, one of many. During World War two, PBC,

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I did it. I think it's PCB PCB, Yeah, PCB

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and rubber chemical production really ramped up, and Monsanto added

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another product to their lineup in nineteen forty four, d DT.

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Oh god, this gets worse. Oh, this does get worse. Yeah.

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But also DDT mentioned in our sterilization episode because DDT

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was used to that's right, that's right. So we have

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like three bingos already. So DDT this is in insects deicide,

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which we have talked about before. The bassettos were sprayed

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with d DT to be disinfected, and it was terrible

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for their skin. Yeah, like didn't it burn? Yeah. It

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was also sprayed in the fields where the braceletos worse, right,

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so also terrible for the environment and just breathing all

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of that in, Like terrible all around. But also this

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wasn't just in the US. It was then used worldwide

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outside of farming and brasseros. It was used on US

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troops to protect them from diseases in tropical areas, so

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things like malaria, typhus. The sentry DDT was used for that.

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It was also used all over the world, and then

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it was also available commercially until it was banned because

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then we learned how dangerous and toxic it actually was.

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Man it caused the death of fish and birds and

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areas where it was sprayed yep, and that caused the

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endangerment of the bald eagle. It went nearly extinct due

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to DDT. That's America's bird. Well just goes to show

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how much respect there is for the bald eagle. I'm sorry,

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I can't look at my lore right now. He just thought, cute,

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I don't know. I was telling his spot like that.

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I know it. This joible thing I've ever seen. I can't,

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I can't do not do that. He's shocked everything he's hearing.

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He cannot believe what Monzanto has done. Oh my god. Okay,

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so yeah, or Montanto almost killed America's bird, the bald Eagle.

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Thank you Mantanto, adding that to the list of atrocities.

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What do you have so far? We have a damn

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if you got the first one. Second one was DDT,

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the toxic use of PCB Oh yeah, okay PCBTDT almost

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killing the bald eagle, helping the creation of the atomic bombs. Yes, yes,

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actually have four so far, so for so far. Yeah.

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Side note, Kuba was one of the first places to

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ban DDT. Yeah, the US DIDY two years later. So

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Guba did the first sidetrack. Did you see all the drama?

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Was Anna? Yes, Anna Armas Yeah. Yeah, everyone's so mad

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at her for ditting the sun or something of the

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sort of a dictator. Yeah, yeah, okay. So some sources

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I read said it wasn't banned until nineteen eighty, So

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I don't know what was the other year you said,

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like nineteen seventeen. Yeah, but Gouba in nineteen seventy. So yeah,

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so far we can attribute the creation DDT harmful to humans,

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and we can also partially attribute Monzonto for the creation

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of the atomic bomb, which goes without saying, but it

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was horrible and then you know, almost killing the bald eagle.

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So yeah, horrible things. But they weren't done harding or

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creating things that damage the world because then they got

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involved with Agent Orange. Oh my god, I can't Yeah,

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during the Vietnam War, and we're not going to get

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fully into it. But a podcast called The Busted Business Bureau,

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which is really funny and greatighly reissing highly recommend. They

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have an eight part series in on Monsanto. Why do

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I know so much about them to say, listen to

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the whole thing? Yeah, yeahah, And they have a whole

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episode that talks about Agent Orange and Monzanto. It's like

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episode three or something like that. But all I'm saying

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in regards to that is that there was a lawsuit

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because of how dangerous agent or Range was for like Monsanto,

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and like that didn't like matter to them. It was

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a whole thing where I don't like it knew that

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it didn't matter to them in the sense that they

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didn't care how dangerous Agent Orange was, and they kept

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the youthing it like they dismissed the effects it did

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all those soldiers, gotcha. Yeah, and the lawsuit was a

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whole mess, and they basically tried to like skirt you know,

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accountability or how horrible Agent Orange was. But like Agent

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Orange gave veterans cancer, yeah, among many things, not to mention,

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you know, it being sprayed all over Vietnam and like

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literally causing the deformation of like births, and a whole

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bunch of other things. The episode is if you don't

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want to know more about that, listen to that episode.

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But you know this, uh, it didn't affect Monsantouse. It

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wasn't revealed two years later, and then even when it was,

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they were able to just whatever, ignore it. This really

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just keeps getting worse. Oh yeah, that's why people say,

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and you're not even done yet. But there's some people

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say that Monsanto is like the most evil company out there,

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but they're among them, they're among the worst, but they're Yeah,

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certainly there's more. Yeah, what's the other one? Exon I

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always hear about Lockhart Oh my god, Lockheed Martin. That's right,

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that's right. Yeah, Monzanto also did Agent Orange, but like,

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none of that affected None of these horrible things they've

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done so far has affected the company. The company got

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more rich. So during this time, Monzanto also had a

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star attorney on their legal team. Do you know who

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that is? I don't, I don't remember, Okay, Clarence Thomas. Yeah,

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he helped with their lawsuits and stuff. And if I

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can't believe it, I can't believe it. For those that

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don't know, Clarence Thomas went on to become a Supreme

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Court justice. He's ruining our lives currently. Yeah, he's still there.

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He also wrote the majority opinion during J. E. M.

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Supply Inc. Versus Pioneer Hybrid International. Basically, all we need

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to do about this is that this lawsuit or this

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case is what made newly developed plant breeds patentable. That

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you can make a patent, you can patent seeds under

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US patent laws. And that is the whole drama with Montanto. Now, yes,

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that's their main issue now because they're fucking evil. Oh

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my god, I knew that, but I forgot it, And

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so then my only reaction was to scream, yeah, and

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you would think that Clarence Thomas having a history with

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Monsanto who is part of this, would have been some

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sort of conflict of interest, But no, it never is

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because I don't know what else. I mean, he's done

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this multiple times. Yea, they get into a lot in

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five four Yes, another podcast. Yeah, but wow, like I

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wish I remembered, Like I wish I remembered everything I

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listened to so I could like pull it out of

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when I need it. Yeah, yeah, I retained them. I

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remember the concepts of it, like the concept I know, yeah,

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I know they talked about it. Do you remember the specifics? No? No, right, no,

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I'll retain like a specific, very specific thing that's like, okay,

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that's not important, and I will be like did you

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know and so yeah, not relevant anyway. Yeah, and yeah,

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like I said, you were thinking that was a convict

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of interest. But over the years, Monsanto's VIPs also served

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in government roles. It's like a rotating door they call it. Yeah.

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So Linda Fisher, who worked in Monsanto as a deputy

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deputy administrator sorry sorry, she was a VP so vice

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president from Monsanto for five years, went on to work

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as the EPA. So the I was just going to say,

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in the Apamberless Protection Agency. Yeah, So she went on

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to work as in that field and then as the

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deputy administrator for the EPA. Like that should not be

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possible at all, And it happens with all uh, all

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sorts of private businesses or whatever, corporations and government agencies. Yeah.

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Another person, Earl Harbison, was the CIA deputy director. He

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had also started for a months or was a director

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for Monzanto. So yeah, the list goes on, like there's

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a whole lyss Wikipedia that you can see and it's

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the longest pun Oh my god. It happens still like

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with like Bayer, let's say an FDA. Well, oh my god,

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that's at the end of this, that's right. That's I

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was like, why is that name fresh in my head?

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That's why. Yeah. So back to Monsanto and the nineteen eighties.

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Monzanto was now under CEO Richard Mahoney, and this is

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when they made the pivot from agricultural by or made

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the pivot into agricultural biotech. It acquires some company named G. D.

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Serle and Company. And this is when they made or

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they were the first to make a genetically modify Oh sorry, backtrack.

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Manzanto became the first who genetically modify a plant cell,

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and then they were the first to conduct field tests

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for genetically modified crops. This is when they delved into

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this field. And under Richard Mahoney, they made this full

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leap into agra biotech, avoiding legal accountability the whole time,

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of course, yeah, avoiding lassit after lawsuit winning. So yeah,

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after him, Robbert Shapiro became the CEO. Side note, he

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was an early member of the board of directors of

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Darraho's Doranto's however you say that, Yeah, And for those

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that maybe needed a little refresher, this is Elizabeth Holmes

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scam baby, where supposedly they were gonna use blood to

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test I don't remember the bush. That was such a

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complete line and she was just stealing money. Yeah, so yeah,

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he was an early board member, so that tells you something.

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And he was the one who fully changed Monsanto into biotech.

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So this included like now genetically modified modified soybeans, peanuts,

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genetically engineered pest resistant conton and like it sounds like

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it's not all terrible, but like with Monsanto, it is. Yeah, yeah,

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like GMOs didn't have to be evil, but they made

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them evil, you know, like they were like, what is

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the most evil way I can do this? And then

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they pested it. Yeah, in the early two tens or so,

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the CEO was Hugh Grant, not that actor, Hugh Grant. Yeah, no,

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not from a love actually, Hugh Grant. Yeah, yeah, he's British. Right. Wait,

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he's the one in Love Action right, yes, yeah, so

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not him. And so now this is this is the

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time period where Massanto becomes more involved with Latin America

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and killing the bees and all of that, which will

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be impartant. Yeah, but that's when that happens, this time period, Okay,

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and so just to summarize like everything up right now,

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Monzanto started out making sweeteners, then got involved with the

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military industrial complex with chemicals, uh, and then you know,

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like horrible horrible things like the atomic bomb tttaging orange

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and I can't find exactly when because this is very

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like hidden, but white phosphorus really yeah, the only company

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responsible for white phosphorus chemical production in the US is Monsanto. Well,

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how did you like come upon this information? It was

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a little tiny sentence in Wikipedia. Then I clicked on

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like the source for that, and then that was some

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website that tracks white phosphorus manufacturers ic and so you know,

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of course, like I said, now it's bare. But they

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there's another like company that has a name called black

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Rock who's under Monsanto. You know, now a beaker of them.

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They are the ones who Yeah, so let me read

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what I copy and pasted. Ok. So, currently under the

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ownership of Bayer, a publicly traded company in One of

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Monsanto's major shareholders is black Rock, an investment company apparently

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dedicated to the divestment of biological chemical weapons. Instead of

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selling white phosphorus directly to the US government, Monsanto collaborates

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with a distributor named Israel Chemical Ltd, now known as

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ICL Group. ICL Group operates from a site near the

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Mississippi River in Saint Louis, Missouri. White posphorus is highly

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dangerous currently used by Israel in Gaza, Lebanon, and the

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Middle East. It's a highly highly dangerous like it basically

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does not stop burning. Yeah, illegal to use like supposedly,

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but like according to the Geneva Convention. I couldn't remember

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the name of that, but I'm like something to do

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with the world right, Yeah, it's not supposed to be

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used in right, right, but it's real then they just

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use it without impunity because it can. And so yeah,

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Monsanto like indirectly is responsible for that too. Oh my god,

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what if it's like ten horrible things now? So hard?

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I think we're yeah close to that. So on top

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of that, Manzanto also created Roundup, a cancer causing herbicide,

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and Manzanto was bought out and buy Bigger in twenty

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eighteen for sixty six billion dollars. During this merger, Monsanto

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was facing eleven thousand, two hundred lawsuits because of round Up. Well,

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and it seems like a bad deal, Like I don't know,

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why would this happen? You would think that? And I

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don't know. Do you mean why would this happen? Like

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why would Beyer buy Monsanto when they were facing that

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many lawsuits? I don't know. Yeah, A So twenty twenty three,

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one one hundred and sixty five thousand claims have been

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made against Bayer. In December of twenty twenty three, Bayer

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ended up winning a case against the man who said

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Roundup causes cancer. And it was like a very shady,

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wasted janitor. Oh I think so I didn't write the specifics. Again,

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Busted Bureau Business has an episode specifically on Roundup Busted

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Business Bureau. Sorry, thank you, Busted Business Bureau. It's like

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the Better Business Bureau, like a play on that. Oh

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that's right, and I flipped the name. Yeah, okay, So

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they have an episode on Roundup and Montanto. But basically

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the way they won these they win these lawsuits is

441
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:56.880
like saying, you have this many days to prove that

442
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.240
it was round up, but then like in these certain

443
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.240
amount of days, there's no way symptoms will show up

444
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:04.519
that soon. Yeah, and so then when the sentence finally

445
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:06.079
starts showing up, they're like, oh, you ran out of

446
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:09.599
place it was and within those days. So shady, shady shit.

447
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:13.319
And so they won that lawsuit. And then they ended

448
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:16.000
up putting at least ten of these cases. But also

449
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:20.559
in June twenty twenty, they settled over one hundred thousand

450
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:24.079
lawsuits that involved round Up. They agreed to pay nine

451
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:27.319
point six billion dollars for these claims, with an additional

452
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:33.720
one point five billion for future claims. So some accountability,

453
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.799
I guess a little bit, but this is like nothing

454
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:40.279
to them all. Nothing. Also, they make it very hard

455
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:46.119
to prove, Yeah, any of this. In May twenty thirteen

456
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:50.640
and May twenty fourteen, there were worldwide protests called March

457
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:54.480
against Montanto, which took place in over four hundred cities.

458
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:59.119
What years twenty thirteen and fourteen. Okay, wow, you said

459
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:03.079
two hundred cities, four hundred cities across the world. Yeah,

460
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:07.319
we're marching against Montanto. Among them lots of Latin American

461
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:17.599
countries because by this time they would be fucked by Monzanto. Chile, Brazil, Guatemala, Mexico, Argentina. Okay,

462
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:22.480
the movie fuck It traumatized me when we were in Denver.

463
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.720
Oh my god, the one you kept going on about. Yes,

464
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:29.440
I talked about it. Oh when evil lyrics. Yeah. So

465
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:32.759
when I watched it, I was like, this feels like

466
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.359
it could be about COVID, but it's about pesticides. The

467
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:39.519
director has gone on records saying this is about pesticides.

468
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:44.519
Guess who is the manufacturer of those pesticides? Bear Yeah,

469
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:50.119
Beyar slash Monzanto because also under in certain countries, Monsanto

470
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:52.079
has been able to continue to operate under the name

471
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.559
of Mozanto and didn't get changed to Bear. So and

472
00:30:55.640 --> 00:31:01.160
that is also Latin America, and so the movies commentary

473
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.720
on the use of pesticides because like, and we'll get

474
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:05.799
into it into next episode because that's where we're going

475
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:09.519
to be going detail by detail in specific countries like

476
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:12.440
what Monsanto has done in these countries. But basically it's

477
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:15.519
like they have been paying the government to be able

478
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.839
to use these pest no side the government, they're making

479
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.920
money off these governments who are also corrupted and want

480
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.920
to you know, make more money too, and have deals

481
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:28.680
with Monsanto even though they know it's destroying the earth

482
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:33.480
and making people sick. There's been research that has lenked

483
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.799
like higher like places next to fields where this ship

484
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:42.440
has been sprayed has higher cases of autism ADHD and

485
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:48.319
other like neurological things wow, including deformities outside of those

486
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.160
you know name things. So yeah, this like makes people

487
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.079
sick and you know, just to make more money, these

488
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:01.000
corrupt ass businesses and governments are working together, like you know,

489
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:03.440
and it's like I say this all the time when

490
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:05.720
we're talking, like I'm talking with you or with like

491
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.720
our dad, where I'm like, at the end of the day,

492
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:11.880
like how much how worth it was the money when

493
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:15.839
you've destroyed the world. I don't understand. Yes, Yeah, and

494
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.839
like I guess that's a radical thing to say, Like

495
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.359
what a thought. Yeah, it's like that thing that there's

496
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.799
always that poem about the tree or whatever that I

497
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:31.519
don't remember. But it's like like you're taking you taking

498
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:37.240
your take from the viser tree. Maybe no, I don't

499
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.319
know about it anyway. Point being is, Yeah, what is

500
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:42.519
the point of all that when at the end there's

501
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:46.599
gonna be nothing left? Yeah, Like pesticides are killing people

502
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:51.079
and I'm not the point of the giving tree. I

503
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:55.559
thought that giving Tree was commentary on parenthood. Oh, I

504
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:57.680
thought it was the environment. I don't know what could

505
00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.880
be wrong. I think I think that I've made a

506
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.480
version about the environment. Okay, I's probably pretty Yeah, I'm

507
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.039
pretty sure. Uh but yeah, when I found out when

508
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:09.079
evil lyrics ties into this, I'm like, oh, like, oh

509
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.400
my god, of course it does. Yeah. I love a

510
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:18.720
horror media that ties in social commentary about stuff like that. Yeah,

511
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:23.440
same as we've said many times. But like I was

512
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:25.720
saying before that happened in May twenty thirteen and since

513
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:28.799
the fourteen, there were worldwide protests across four hundred cities

514
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:34.000
and also during this time Mark Ruffalo based Mark Luffalo,

515
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:39.200
who's been very outspoken for Palestine, I mean honestly about everything.

516
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.920
I love everything. Yeah, he happened to be backstay at

517
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:45.480
the same time as the Montanto CEO, and he just

518
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.119
walked into his room and yelled at him that he

519
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:52.359
was responsible for killing bees and poisoning people. Oh my god. Yeah,

520
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:55.759
you know what. Ever, since I watched thirteen going on thirty,

521
00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:58.880
I loved him. I have lovely helved him too. Yeah. Yeah,

522
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:03.440
he was like one of my white man crushes. Same yeah, yeah,

523
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.680
well yeah, I think so. Well, it's like, uh, what's

524
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:12.719
his name, James marts Martston, Oh yeah, yeah, from Ermon,

525
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:17.719
Yeah yeah, and then Mark Bruffalo Yeah, same, same, And

526
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.199
of course there have been many protests since then in

527
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.519
different Latin American countries too. That's gonna be the subject

528
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:25.480
of part two. Like I said, but this was like

529
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:28.800
a basic rundown of Monsanto what they've done up to

530
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:35.039
like now, but again in very basic service level going over.

531
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:38.960
I mean, yeah, this is like the tip of the iceberg. Yeah,

532
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:41.599
that's the almost to say that. For a second, I

533
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:43.760
was gonna say I had pot of the something and

534
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:48.400
I was like, no, no, that's wrong. Yeah, but there

535
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:51.159
are more books that go way deeper into it. Uh,

536
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:55.000
seed Money, Monsanto's Past, And let me find these books

537
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:57.119
right now as you're saying them and add them to

538
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:02.079
my TBR. That's four hundred books deep. Jeez. All right, Well,

539
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.480
with your ass reading one hundred years, one hundred books

540
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:08.119
a year, you'll get there. It's my goal. Okay. So

541
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.679
are you ready? You said seed Money? Right? Yeah, Seed Money,

542
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:18.360
Monsanto's Past and Our Food Future by Bartow j Elmore

543
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.760
to read all right. Next one The World according to

544
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:30.039
Monsanto by Marie Monique Robin, The Monsanto Papers, Deadly Secrets,

545
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:35.360
Corporate Corruption, and One Manster for Justice. Longest title, The

546
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:40.679
Monsanto What Paid Monsanto Papers by Carrie Guillam, Yes, yes,

547
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:44.199
by carry Gillam. Uh, those dipe deeper into it. I

548
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:46.159
simply do not have time to read all of those.

549
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:51.159
This was a very basic rundown again of Monsanto, just

550
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:54.599
to get us set to speed on what is Monsanto?

551
00:35:55.119 --> 00:36:00.880
So I can talk about what they've done in Latin America? Wow? Yeah,

552
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:03.679
I just I didn't know they were responsible for so

553
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:08.079
many horrible things. I like, I knew about it mainly

554
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:10.920
because I listened to The Busted Business Beer and I

555
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:13.639
knew it's I knew it was a lot because I

556
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:17.880
mean two eight a part series on it, and that

557
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:22.400
was still the tip of the iceberg. Like, yeah, there's

558
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.679
only so much you know, you can research, like if

559
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:28.480
you really, I mean, you can't learn everything, you know

560
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:33.039
what I mean about? Yeah, but yeah, it's wild, it

561
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:38.239
really is. And yeah, next episode we're now going to

562
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.320
focus on Monsanto and Latin America. But like even that's

563
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.440
not going to be insane because I would be here

564
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.440
for like hours and hours. Each country can have their

565
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:48.840
own part and I'm just going to do that, yeah,

566
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.440
because but that's what we talk about sometimes, like yeah,

567
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.199
like our episodes are like kind of introduction introductions on

568
00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:00.239
these topics. Yeah. Yeah, but man, I was writing all

569
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:05.119
part one this and I'm like, I'm Montanto a brain rottery. Yeah,

570
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:07.119
And I was like, you have to keep going because

571
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.960
I need more time my brain her. Yeah, and I

572
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.880
will obviously write part two after this, yeah, but man,

573
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.800
I just can't believe and like, well, obviously we'll get

574
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.119
to in part two. But like that's now where we

575
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.559
get into like the seeds and why that's so terrible

576
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:26.920
and like they're destroying I mean, like what you know

577
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:32.400
these corporations do in the Global South, destroy the land.

578
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:35.800
So yeah, yeah, and anyone who is impatient, you can't wait,

579
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.239
definitely should check out the eighth part series on Manzanto

580
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:44.679
on the Busted Business Bureau podcast. Yeah for sure, because yeah,

581
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:46.440
I'm only going to be talking about Latin America and

582
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.719
then Lady Peck and the Maya Beekeepers. Yeah that's going

583
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.440
to be part three. But yeah, that's it. That's this episode.

584
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:54.079
I also didn't want to make this super long. I

585
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.760
could have made it longer, but yeah, no, my brain

586
00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:01.000
literally I can't handle reading more of Monzanto, like and

587
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:04.440
the horrible things they've done. Oh my god, I can't imagine.

588
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:09.199
It's depressing, I know, I know. Yeah, that's how I

589
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:11.760
felt when I was in the Coca Cola episode. And

590
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:14.360
that was only one episode, only one really, I only

591
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:16.079
listened to one book about it and I think a

592
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:19.480
few articles. But there was a lot more that could

593
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:23.280
have been in there, Like I think I finished, I

594
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:28.840
focused more on the the labor yeah, and the destruction

595
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:34.320
of the unions, yes, but that they Yeah, there's a

596
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:36.639
lot more that could be said that you we talked

597
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.840
about briefly, like the the droughts they're causing and stuff

598
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:44.400
like that. Yes, yeah, there's actually still another Coca cola

599
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:49.519
topic that I want to talk about, Coca Cola, and yeah,

600
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:51.920
that's all my topic list, and that has to do

601
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.599
with the drought, right like over them taking the water.

602
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:59.480
Yeah yeah, but yeah, that is it for this episode.

603
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.000
Do you have anything else to add or say? I

604
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:10.400
don't think so, just that I'm very invested in this, Okay, okay, yeah,

605
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:14.000
and I was going to add really quick, if you

606
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:18.280
think you know someone who would enjoy a Patreon membership,

607
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:22.400
you can gift Patreon memberships. It's that gift given season

608
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.239
to the time of the year. Yeah, it's you know

609
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:30.599
Christmas and all those other holidays that you givet things

610
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.719
season it is season. So yeah, you can gift our

611
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:38.079
Patreon where we have three tiers when it is just

612
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:41.159
like a basic support tier where you get add free episodes.

613
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:43.679
Uh the what after that is where you get the

614
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:46.840
bonus episodes where we just talk about like trending topics,

615
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:51.880
read Latin American news, talk about whatever. We never said

616
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:54.079
at what rate we were doing these episodes, but I

617
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:55.920
think they've come out to be like at least two

618
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:59.760
a month, like one a week. Yeah, really, And then

619
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.519
that's the tier after that, and then the other tier

620
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.679
above that one is all of the things below and

621
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.800
a sticker, just the logo sticker like a one time

622
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:15.480
has a known sticker of our podcast art. But sometimes

623
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.320
I just am in the mood and I will add

624
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:20.159
extra things, you know, to those tiers. So we should

625
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:23.159
make a little bingo our bingo stickers or something we

626
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:26.239
should send out the bingo. Yeah, like a little I

627
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:29.639
don't know, laminated bingo card or something y. Yeah, actually

628
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:32.840
something to work on that would be very fun future

629
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:37.280
projects noted. And yeah, I have one more thing to add.

630
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:41.679
So I sometimes notice our ratings on Spotify, like how

631
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:43.599
much we have to see if we have like new ones,

632
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:45.559
so that can be like thank you people for rating

633
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on Spotify. So we have ninety six ratings now and

634
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.480
it wouldn't be amazing to get to one hundred. It

635
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.760
would be amazing, and we only need four more ratings

636
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:58.360
for that. So if you listen to the podcast and

637
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:01.480
you haven't rated on Spotify, I don't know, I feel

638
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:03.039
free to give us a rating and maybe we'll get

639
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:05.079
to get off of me my lovel maybe we'll get

640
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:08.960
to one hundred, one hundred ratings. Yeah, do you remember

641
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:13.119
when we had like twelve Yeah? Wow, and we're almost

642
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:18.039
at one hundred now, crazy wild. Yeah. Also, shout out

643
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:20.159
to people that find us on threads. I will make

644
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:24.519
one post on there and they just like immediately there's

645
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.000
eyes on it and there's people like, wow, this sounds interesting.

646
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.639
I'm gonna follow that. Super cool what is happening. I

647
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:32.599
feel like Threads is kind of cool for that because

648
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:35.880
I don't know how like people find it, like and

649
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.719
even I found stuff and I'm like amazing, like this

650
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:42.679
is so interesting. Yeah for real. So yeah, shout out

651
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:44.559
to anyone that found us on threads or you know,

652
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:48.559
anyone who recently found us also like front of it. Yeah,

653
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:50.679
give us a reading. Send us to a friend that

654
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:55.679
is going to read. If your homies hate w Santo,

655
00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:00.440
send this to them. Yeah yeah, oh my homies hate Santo?

656
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:09.119
You sticking? Oh yes, okay, okay, I think that is it. Yeah,

657
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:12.280
well I guess. So thank you everyone for listening, and

658
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:14.880
we hope this is one less estoria unknown for you.

659
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:16.320
Bye bye