A Brief History of Monsanto and the Horrible Things They've Done

0:12 Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is Estodias Unknown, a podcast where we talk about Latin American history. Sometimes it's horrible and deals with heavy topics like racism, corruption, and genocide. But more than that, it's also about resistance, power and community. And today it's not about any of that. It's all about corruption and terrible things. Oh wow, wow, wow wow. Yeah, let's just let's get straight into it. I recently saw that. Well, okay, let me backtrack a little bit. I was looking for topics because I was in a little topic slump. Happens what happens to most of us as in me? Yeah, while I was looking for topics, I came across this headline, Meet the Bayan beekeeper who beat me Santo. Wow. I was like, what this sounds like an amazing topic. Yeah, but before we can even get to her, her name is Lady Peck.

1:08 And before we can even get to her the Maya bee keepers, we need to know what is monsanto? Yeah? What is their history in Latin America? Not good? None of it. And that is how my journey into all of this began. And I'm thinking this is going to be a three parter oh wow. Wow, that means one more week than I thought to finish my research. Oh my god. No, do not rely on this. I won't. I will move forward as if and I am. Yeah, I'm digging. Today we're just gonna talk about the history of Monsanto. What is Monsanto? Very basic like Monsanto one?

1:51 Oh one? Okay, ok, very surface level Monsanto. Part two we're just going to get into Monsanto and tear things they've done in Latin America, and we'll cover different Latin American countries. And then part three will be about Lady Peck. Oh yeah, Lady Peck and the Maya beekeepers and what they have to do with Monsanto. How's that happened? Wow? I'm looking forward to all of this. I love a three partner from you, not for me, but from you. I knew you were going to say that. No, I'm like super interested in this because I know a little bit about Monsanto. Yeah, and like I said in that Patreon episode we recorded, I was like, what is Monzanto a wine? But that was like ten years ago. I Sasan knew they were like a little bit shady and they have to do something with something with seeds. That's all they knew about them, Yeah, the GM the genetically modified seeds or whatever. I knew some of the horrible stuff they've done, like here. And then I think I learned a little bit about the beekeepers, the Miami beekeepers, because of the podcast has told you about the busted business.

3:00 I was gonna say, how do you how did you know about that? How did you find that podcast? I don't remember, Oh you know what, I don't know if you remember a long time ago. Actually, okay, I don't know. I don't remember where I found it, but somebody I saw I recommend it somewhere because someone was saying, oh, yeah, if you like like a very ADHD type of like random like not random, but I kind of explained like a top energetic like yeah for frenetic energy, frantic energy. I don't know, I don't know what to say. I don't know call it like uh, and I can't remember where I saw it. But they're like, if you like this, you also like this, And they explained a little bit how it was, and they're like, she's very ADHD and that's how I found it. I want to say it was probably read it, but I don't pro that sounds like a Reddit comment. Yeah would leave so interesting anyway. Yeah, if we'll get into it, let's start at the beginning, Okay, Okay, Monsanto started as a chemical company founded in a one by John Queeny. Sid No, but I was like accidentally trying so hard not to say Johnny Queeny. So some articles, when you look them up, it says it started as an agricultural company. It started as a chemical company, not agricultural though. If you look at their website today, it says they're a new company, agricultural company, and they have ties to a company from one hundred to something years ago. Okay,

4:33 so like rewriting history, very Coca Cola. Yes, yeah, So John Queeney started Monsanto at age forty two after working in the pharmaceutical industry for thirty years. And you might think, wait, if he's forty two, how has it been working for these years. Well, that's because he's a nepochild labor. Okay, this was a child labor was still very much a there was this acad nineteen oh one is okay, yeah, h So he started working at twelve years old and has just been hustling since then. I'm sorry, I just think of oh my God, what's his name from Parkston a req yes uh Ron, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forget the quote me too, but that's like it's vaguely in my head because I do about child labor. I remember the concept of it, concepts of a quote. So yeah, he started working at age twelve and then yeah, he just made his way to the top until he had enough money to start his own company, which he named after his wife, Orga Mendez Monsanto. No, oh Mentees Monsanto.

5:42 I didn't know that's where it came from. Wow. Yeah, just a little bit about her family. This is a super super rich Jewish family from Spain. I knew I was gonna gues Spain right away. Wowow yeah. And I'm not going to get into the history of Jewish people Spain and all that. That's a whole other topic. So her family had a huge role in the founding of colonial Louisiana in the eighteenth century. They arrived to lease Louisiana in the seventeen sixties, and yeah, they basically founded, like helped found find whatever colonized Louisiana colonize, Yeah, in other words, colonized. They also had a huge role in the Atlantic Sleeve trainor they did. Yeah, and they enslaved Africans in their plantations in Mississippi. They enslaved at least fifty one Africans for personal use, but they traded and sold way more. Wow. So yeah, that's the namesake of Monzonta.

6:47 Even the name is evil. Yes, precisely. Why I want to include this just because from its roots, their first product was saccharine in artificial suitet. Then they added other products slowly, like vanolin, which is the vanilla sweetener, and aspirin. Eventually, during John Quiney's reign as the person in charge of Monsanto, it was still just a chemical company that did food additives. Really, that's what all they did. Did they also give us Red forty, the thing that's poisoning everyone. I don't think so. Actually, I am again making things up right now. Or speculating is the wordulating? Yeah. Coca Cola was their biggest customer.

7:34 They produced caffeine for Coca Cola and the vanolin and then they got super rich from that. But World War One happened and that kind of just blew Monsanto up. They filled the hole that Europe was filling in this like market because before like aspirin was a German imported from Germany, and of course World War One were like, we don't want anything from Germany, right, right, the whole the whole thing, the whole thing. Yeah. So now Monsanto was providing all this aspirin and they got even more rich. And then in nineteen twenty six, Monsanto pretty much created their own little town in Illinois, Illinois. Oh, I was like, okay, you correct myself, that's correct. You wrong, It's called Sage SAJA yeah today. Oh well, like, why doesn't sound so familiar because of the podcast before? Yeah it is. Yeah, so you need to like block all that. Okay, I know that was comments deleteed deleted. Oh my god. So it's called SAJ now, but back then it was called Monsanto.

8:44 And since SAJ was founded or created, the mayor has always been part of the Sage family. Oh my god. M hm. And this whole town was created for one reason, just to be a company town, a Monsanto town. So they produced the chemical PCB. And if you didn't know, and sorry side note, but I tried to profre my notes, but I may have switched it, and so you might hear PBC at some points. But the PCCB. Okay, yeah, so yeah, if you hear me switches because I was ADHD. I just didn't. I thought I read it correctly. You know, it happens. Yeah, I will flip letters a numbers anyway.

9:28 This chemical does it all coolants, oils, hydraulic fluid, adhesives, ceilings, caulking, a lot of things, a lot. It's very versatile, also super important for war things. And it also happened to be very toxic and it is now banned from international use. I was about to say that can't be good, right, like for it to have that many uses, and lo and behold was not. Yeah. It takes like decades or longer to breakdown, which is why back then they found it so useful. But now it's like, oh my god, this is so toxic. One of love Forever chemicals. Yeah. Yeah, and you know, since it was discovered before it was banned, there's like more than one million tons out in the world of this chemical. Wow. And of course, like they didn't know what they didn't know when they founded this town, so but then when they did know, they ignored So this town. You know, back when I was actively making this, it produced ninety nine percent of PCB like in the US.

10:34 So all of it, wow, until it was banned in nineteen seventy nine. And just to show you how this town functioned, there were almost no tax levies. And back when I was first made it was a population of three hundred people. There was only four streets. They were all named after Monsanto executives. And then there was a twenty four hour strip club, which is still there. Still twenty four hour strip club. Yeah, I remember hearing about that, not like I was there inside. Oh you were there, saw Jay, I've been there. Wow, where is it again? You imagine? Yeah? Can you imagine as being in Mississippi? I know, I'm sorry, Okay, I couldn't even imagine me in Oklahoma. My ass only went there because of you.

11:18 The worst place I've ever been. Yeah, yeah, it was not fun. So today has a population of one hundred and forty one people, and sixteen of those one hundred forty one people are police officers. Oh my god. Yeah. And it doesn't have a school or fire department or a grocery store, but it does have a strip club and a baseball stadium, so there's not the hill. And this whole town was created to provide minimal regulation and no taxes for Monsanto. Wow, that's it still a tax haven. Yeah yeah, and so yeah, that's how the town became the main manufacturer or the town and Monsanto became the main manufacturer of PCB during World War Two, and from there it just kept growing. Manzanto acquires Swan Chemical Company in Alabama, then Thomas and Hawk Walt Laboratories in Dayton, Ohio.

12:13 This was when Charles Allen Thomas became the president of Monsanto and then the board chair until nineteen seventy. During his time in charge, Monzanto got involved with the Manhattan Project. Oh crossover. M hmm yeah, crossover. Oh, we should have put that on our bingo. That needs to be on our being. Okay, we'll take one of them out and put crossover before we post our big on card. We will fix and see how do we phrase it though, Like, isn't crossover like the best option because like it happens all the time. We just write crossover, Yeah, because how else would you put that? Oh that wasn't another episode? Oh yeah, I guess so we could just put the whole sentence in there. Yeah yeah, oh call back Yeah that works. So yeah, Manhattan Project, although Charles Allen Thomas he didn't want to move to where the Mahaan Project was happening, of course. Yeah, so then they created the Dayton Project so he could just work from home in Dayton, Ohio.

13:13 Oh my god. On the Dayton Project part of the Manhattan Project. And so they assisted in the development of the first nuclear weapon. And what their part was was being the ones to create the thing that was needed for the separation of the atom. So without them, the atomic bomb wouldn't have been possible. Thank you, Monsanto for ruining all of our lives. Yeah, one of the mini atrocities. We're going to see the list here again, just one of many, one of many. During World War two, PBC, I did it. I think it's PCB PCB, Yeah, PCB and rubber chemical production really ramped up, and Monsanto added another product to their lineup in nineteen forty four, d DT.

14:01 Oh god, this gets worse. Oh, this does get worse. Yeah. But also DDT mentioned in our sterilization episode because DDT was used to that's right, that's right. So we have like three bingos already. So DDT this is in insects deicide, which we have talked about before. The bassettos were sprayed with d DT to be disinfected, and it was terrible for their skin. Yeah, like didn't it burn? Yeah. It was also sprayed in the fields where the braceletos worse, right, so also terrible for the environment and just breathing all of that in, Like terrible all around. But also this wasn't just in the US. It was then used worldwide outside of farming and brasseros. It was used on US troops to protect them from diseases in tropical areas, so things like malaria, typhus. The sentry DDT was used for that.

15:04 It was also used all over the world, and then it was also available commercially until it was banned because then we learned how dangerous and toxic it actually was. Man it caused the death of fish and birds and areas where it was sprayed yep, and that caused the endangerment of the bald eagle. It went nearly extinct due to DDT. That's America's bird. Well just goes to show how much respect there is for the bald eagle. I'm sorry, I can't look at my lore right now. He just thought, cute, I don't know. I was telling his spot like that. I know it. This joible thing I've ever seen. I can't, I can't do not do that. He's shocked everything he's hearing.

15:51 He cannot believe what Monzanto has done. Oh my god. Okay, so yeah, or Montanto almost killed America's bird, the bald Eagle. Thank you Mantanto, adding that to the list of atrocities. What do you have so far? We have a damn if you got the first one. Second one was DDT, the toxic use of PCB Oh yeah, okay PCBTDT almost killing the bald eagle, helping the creation of the atomic bombs. Yes, yes, actually have four so far, so for so far. Yeah. Side note, Kuba was one of the first places to ban DDT. Yeah, the US DIDY two years later. So Guba did the first sidetrack. Did you see all the drama?

16:38 Was Anna? Yes, Anna Armas Yeah. Yeah, everyone's so mad at her for ditting the sun or something of the sort of a dictator. Yeah, yeah, okay. So some sources I read said it wasn't banned until nineteen eighty, So I don't know what was the other year you said, like nineteen seventeen. Yeah, but Gouba in nineteen seventy. So yeah, so far we can attribute the creation DDT harmful to humans, and we can also partially attribute Monzonto for the creation of the atomic bomb, which goes without saying, but it was horrible and then you know, almost killing the bald eagle. So yeah, horrible things. But they weren't done harding or creating things that damage the world because then they got involved with Agent Orange. Oh my god, I can't Yeah, during the Vietnam War, and we're not going to get fully into it. But a podcast called The Busted Business Bureau, which is really funny and greatighly reissing highly recommend. They have an eight part series in on Monsanto. Why do I know so much about them to say, listen to the whole thing? Yeah, yeahah, And they have a whole episode that talks about Agent Orange and Monzanto. It's like episode three or something like that. But all I'm saying in regards to that is that there was a lawsuit because of how dangerous agent or Range was for like Monsanto, and like that didn't like matter to them. It was a whole thing where I don't like it knew that

18:09 it didn't matter to them in the sense that they didn't care how dangerous Agent Orange was, and they kept the youthing it like they dismissed the effects it did all those soldiers, gotcha. Yeah, and the lawsuit was a whole mess, and they basically tried to like skirt you know, accountability or how horrible Agent Orange was. But like Agent Orange gave veterans cancer, yeah, among many things, not to mention, you know, it being sprayed all over Vietnam and like literally causing the deformation of like births, and a whole bunch of other things. The episode is if you don't want to know more about that, listen to that episode.

18:56 But you know this, uh, it didn't affect Monsantouse. It wasn't revealed two years later, and then even when it was, they were able to just whatever, ignore it. This really just keeps getting worse. Oh yeah, that's why people say, and you're not even done yet. But there's some people say that Monsanto is like the most evil company out there, but they're among them, they're among the worst, but they're Yeah, certainly there's more. Yeah, what's the other one? Exon I always hear about Lockhart Oh my god, Lockheed Martin. That's right, that's right. Yeah, Monzanto also did Agent Orange, but like, none of that affected None of these horrible things they've done so far has affected the company. The company got more rich. So during this time, Monzanto also had a star attorney on their legal team. Do you know who that is? I don't, I don't remember, Okay, Clarence Thomas. Yeah, he helped with their lawsuits and stuff. And if I can't believe it, I can't believe it. For those that don't know, Clarence Thomas went on to become a Supreme Court justice. He's ruining our lives currently. Yeah, he's still there.

20:06 He also wrote the majority opinion during J. E. M. Supply Inc. Versus Pioneer Hybrid International. Basically, all we need to do about this is that this lawsuit or this case is what made newly developed plant breeds patentable. That you can make a patent, you can patent seeds under US patent laws. And that is the whole drama with Montanto. Now, yes, that's their main issue now because they're fucking evil. Oh my god, I knew that, but I forgot it, And so then my only reaction was to scream, yeah, and you would think that Clarence Thomas having a history with Monsanto who is part of this, would have been some sort of conflict of interest, But no, it never is because I don't know what else. I mean, he's done this multiple times. Yea, they get into a lot in five four Yes, another podcast. Yeah, but wow, like I wish I remembered, Like I wish I remembered everything I listened to so I could like pull it out of when I need it. Yeah, yeah, I retained them. I remember the concepts of it, like the concept I know, yeah, I know they talked about it. Do you remember the specifics? No? No, right, no, I'll retain like a specific, very specific thing that's like, okay, that's not important, and I will be like did you know and so yeah, not relevant anyway. Yeah, and yeah, like I said, you were thinking that was a convict of interest. But over the years, Monsanto's VIPs also served

21:39 in government roles. It's like a rotating door they call it. Yeah. So Linda Fisher, who worked in Monsanto as a deputy deputy administrator sorry sorry, she was a VP so vice president from Monsanto for five years, went on to work as the EPA. So the I was just going to say, in the Apamberless Protection Agency. Yeah, So she went on to work as in that field and then as the deputy administrator for the EPA. Like that should not be possible at all, And it happens with all uh, all sorts of private businesses or whatever, corporations and government agencies. Yeah.

22:23 Another person, Earl Harbison, was the CIA deputy director. He had also started for a months or was a director for Monzanto. So yeah, the list goes on, like there's a whole lyss Wikipedia that you can see and it's the longest pun Oh my god. It happens still like with like Bayer, let's say an FDA. Well, oh my god, that's at the end of this, that's right. That's I was like, why is that name fresh in my head? That's why. Yeah. So back to Monsanto and the nineteen eighties. Monzanto was now under CEO Richard Mahoney, and this is when they made the pivot from agricultural by or made the pivot into agricultural biotech. It acquires some company named G. D.

23:05 Serle and Company. And this is when they made or they were the first to make a genetically modify Oh sorry, backtrack. Manzanto became the first who genetically modify a plant cell, and then they were the first to conduct field tests for genetically modified crops. This is when they delved into this field. And under Richard Mahoney, they made this full leap into agra biotech, avoiding legal accountability the whole time, of course, yeah, avoiding lassit after lawsuit winning. So yeah, after him, Robbert Shapiro became the CEO. Side note, he was an early member of the board of directors of Darraho's Doranto's however you say that, Yeah, And for those that maybe needed a little refresher, this is Elizabeth Holmes scam baby, where supposedly they were gonna use blood to test I don't remember the bush. That was such a complete line and she was just stealing money. Yeah, so yeah, he was an early board member, so that tells you something.

24:15 And he was the one who fully changed Monsanto into biotech. So this included like now genetically modified modified soybeans, peanuts, genetically engineered pest resistant conton and like it sounds like it's not all terrible, but like with Monsanto, it is. Yeah, yeah, like GMOs didn't have to be evil, but they made them evil, you know, like they were like, what is the most evil way I can do this? And then they pested it. Yeah, in the early two tens or so, the CEO was Hugh Grant, not that actor, Hugh Grant. Yeah, no, not from a love actually, Hugh Grant. Yeah, yeah, he's British. Right. Wait, he's the one in Love Action right, yes, yeah, so not him. And so now this is this is the time period where Massanto becomes more involved with Latin America and killing the bees and all of that, which will be impartant. Yeah, but that's when that happens, this time period, Okay, and so just to summarize like everything up right now, Monzanto started out making sweeteners, then got involved with the military industrial complex with chemicals, uh, and then you know, like horrible horrible things like the atomic bomb tttaging orange and I can't find exactly when because this is very like hidden, but white phosphorus really yeah, the only company responsible for white phosphorus chemical production in the US is Monsanto. Well, how did you like come upon this information? It was

25:47 a little tiny sentence in Wikipedia. Then I clicked on like the source for that, and then that was some website that tracks white phosphorus manufacturers ic and so you know, of course, like I said, now it's bare. But they there's another like company that has a name called black Rock who's under Monsanto. You know, now a beaker of them. They are the ones who Yeah, so let me read what I copy and pasted. Ok. So, currently under the ownership of Bayer, a publicly traded company in One of Monsanto's major shareholders is black Rock, an investment company apparently dedicated to the divestment of biological chemical weapons. Instead of selling white phosphorus directly to the US government, Monsanto collaborates with a distributor named Israel Chemical Ltd, now known as ICL Group. ICL Group operates from a site near the Mississippi River in Saint Louis, Missouri. White posphorus is highly dangerous currently used by Israel in Gaza, Lebanon, and the Middle East. It's a highly highly dangerous like it basically does not stop burning. Yeah, illegal to use like supposedly, but like according to the Geneva Convention. I couldn't remember the name of that, but I'm like something to do with the world right, Yeah, it's not supposed to be used in right, right, but it's real then they just

27:20 use it without impunity because it can. And so yeah, Monsanto like indirectly is responsible for that too. Oh my god, what if it's like ten horrible things now? So hard? I think we're yeah close to that. So on top of that, Manzanto also created Roundup, a cancer causing herbicide, and Manzanto was bought out and buy Bigger in twenty eighteen for sixty six billion dollars. During this merger, Monsanto was facing eleven thousand, two hundred lawsuits because of round Up. Well, and it seems like a bad deal, Like I don't know, why would this happen? You would think that? And I don't know. Do you mean why would this happen? Like why would Beyer buy Monsanto when they were facing that many lawsuits? I don't know. Yeah, A So twenty twenty three, one one hundred and sixty five thousand claims have been made against Bayer. In December of twenty twenty three, Bayer ended up winning a case against the man who said Roundup causes cancer. And it was like a very shady, wasted janitor. Oh I think so I didn't write the specifics. Again, Busted Bureau Business has an episode specifically on Roundup Busted Business Bureau. Sorry, thank you, Busted Business Bureau. It's like the Better Business Bureau, like a play on that. Oh that's right, and I flipped the name. Yeah, okay, So they have an episode on Roundup and Montanto. But basically

28:52 the way they won these they win these lawsuits is like saying, you have this many days to prove that it was round up, but then like in these certain amount of days, there's no way symptoms will show up that soon. Yeah, and so then when the sentence finally starts showing up, they're like, oh, you ran out of place it was and within those days. So shady, shady shit. And so they won that lawsuit. And then they ended up putting at least ten of these cases. But also in June twenty twenty, they settled over one hundred thousand lawsuits that involved round Up. They agreed to pay nine point six billion dollars for these claims, with an additional one point five billion for future claims. So some accountability, I guess a little bit, but this is like nothing to them all. Nothing. Also, they make it very hard to prove, Yeah, any of this. In May twenty thirteen and May twenty fourteen, there were worldwide protests called March against Montanto, which took place in over four hundred cities.

29:54 What years twenty thirteen and fourteen. Okay, wow, you said two hundred cities, four hundred cities across the world. Yeah, we're marching against Montanto. Among them lots of Latin American countries because by this time they would be fucked by Monzanto. Chile, Brazil, Guatemala, Mexico, Argentina. Okay, the movie fuck It traumatized me when we were in Denver. Oh my god, the one you kept going on about. Yes, I talked about it. Oh when evil lyrics. Yeah. So when I watched it, I was like, this feels like it could be about COVID, but it's about pesticides. The director has gone on records saying this is about pesticides.

30:39 Guess who is the manufacturer of those pesticides? Bear Yeah, Beyar slash Monzanto because also under in certain countries, Monsanto has been able to continue to operate under the name of Mozanto and didn't get changed to Bear. So and that is also Latin America, and so the movies commentary on the use of pesticides because like, and we'll get into it into next episode because that's where we're going to be going detail by detail in specific countries like what Monsanto has done in these countries. But basically it's like they have been paying the government to be able to use these pest no side the government, they're making money off these governments who are also corrupted and want to you know, make more money too, and have deals with Monsanto even though they know it's destroying the earth and making people sick. There's been research that has lenked like higher like places next to fields where this ship has been sprayed has higher cases of autism ADHD and other like neurological things wow, including deformities outside of those you know name things. So yeah, this like makes people sick and you know, just to make more money, these corrupt ass businesses and governments are working together, like you know, and it's like I say this all the time when we're talking, like I'm talking with you or with like our dad, where I'm like, at the end of the day, like how much how worth it was the money when

32:11 you've destroyed the world. I don't understand. Yes, Yeah, and like I guess that's a radical thing to say, Like what a thought. Yeah, it's like that thing that there's always that poem about the tree or whatever that I don't remember. But it's like like you're taking you taking your take from the viser tree. Maybe no, I don't know about it anyway. Point being is, Yeah, what is the point of all that when at the end there's gonna be nothing left? Yeah, Like pesticides are killing people and I'm not the point of the giving tree. I thought that giving Tree was commentary on parenthood. Oh, I thought it was the environment. I don't know what could be wrong. I think I think that I've made a version about the environment. Okay, I's probably pretty Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Uh but yeah, when I found out when evil lyrics ties into this, I'm like, oh, like, oh my god, of course it does. Yeah. I love a horror media that ties in social commentary about stuff like that. Yeah, same as we've said many times. But like I was saying before that happened in May twenty thirteen and since the fourteen, there were worldwide protests across four hundred cities and also during this time Mark Ruffalo based Mark Luffalo, who's been very outspoken for Palestine, I mean honestly about everything.

33:39 I love everything. Yeah, he happened to be backstay at the same time as the Montanto CEO, and he just walked into his room and yelled at him that he was responsible for killing bees and poisoning people. Oh my god. Yeah, you know what. Ever, since I watched thirteen going on thirty, I loved him. I have lovely helved him too. Yeah. Yeah, he was like one of my white man crushes. Same yeah, yeah, well yeah, I think so. Well, it's like, uh, what's his name, James marts Martston, Oh yeah, yeah, from Ermon, Yeah yeah, and then Mark Bruffalo Yeah, same, same, And of course there have been many protests since then in different Latin American countries too. That's gonna be the subject of part two. Like I said, but this was like a basic rundown of Monsanto what they've done up to like now, but again in very basic service level going over.

34:35 I mean, yeah, this is like the tip of the iceberg. Yeah, that's the almost to say that. For a second, I was gonna say I had pot of the something and I was like, no, no, that's wrong. Yeah, but there are more books that go way deeper into it. Uh, seed Money, Monsanto's Past, And let me find these books right now as you're saying them and add them to my TBR. That's four hundred books deep. Jeez. All right, Well, with your ass reading one hundred years, one hundred books a year, you'll get there. It's my goal. Okay. So are you ready? You said seed Money? Right? Yeah, Seed Money, Monsanto's Past and Our Food Future by Bartow j Elmore to read all right. Next one The World according to Monsanto by Marie Monique Robin, The Monsanto Papers, Deadly Secrets, Corporate Corruption, and One Manster for Justice. Longest title, The Monsanto What Paid Monsanto Papers by Carrie Guillam, Yes, yes, by carry Gillam. Uh, those dipe deeper into it. I simply do not have time to read all of those.

35:46 This was a very basic rundown again of Monsanto, just to get us set to speed on what is Monsanto? So I can talk about what they've done in Latin America? Wow? Yeah, I just I didn't know they were responsible for so many horrible things. I like, I knew about it mainly because I listened to The Busted Business Beer and I knew it's I knew it was a lot because I mean two eight a part series on it, and that was still the tip of the iceberg. Like, yeah, there's only so much you know, you can research, like if you really, I mean, you can't learn everything, you know what I mean about? Yeah, but yeah, it's wild, it really is. And yeah, next episode we're now going to focus on Monsanto and Latin America. But like even that's not going to be insane because I would be here for like hours and hours. Each country can have their own part and I'm just going to do that, yeah, because but that's what we talk about sometimes, like yeah, like our episodes are like kind of introduction introductions on these topics. Yeah. Yeah, but man, I was writing all part one this and I'm like, I'm Montanto a brain rottery. Yeah, And I was like, you have to keep going because I need more time my brain her. Yeah, and I will obviously write part two after this, yeah, but man, I just can't believe and like, well, obviously we'll get

37:16 to in part two. But like that's now where we get into like the seeds and why that's so terrible and like they're destroying I mean, like what you know these corporations do in the Global South, destroy the land. So yeah, yeah, and anyone who is impatient, you can't wait, definitely should check out the eighth part series on Manzanto on the Busted Business Bureau podcast. Yeah for sure, because yeah, I'm only going to be talking about Latin America and then Lady Peck and the Maya Beekeepers. Yeah that's going to be part three. But yeah, that's it. That's this episode. I also didn't want to make this super long. I could have made it longer, but yeah, no, my brain literally I can't handle reading more of Monzanto, like and the horrible things they've done. Oh my god, I can't imagine.

38:05 It's depressing, I know, I know. Yeah, that's how I felt when I was in the Coca Cola episode. And that was only one episode, only one really, I only listened to one book about it and I think a few articles. But there was a lot more that could have been in there, Like I think I finished, I focused more on the the labor yeah, and the destruction of the unions, yes, but that they Yeah, there's a lot more that could be said that you we talked about briefly, like the the droughts they're causing and stuff like that. Yes, yeah, there's actually still another Coca cola topic that I want to talk about, Coca Cola, and yeah, that's all my topic list, and that has to do with the drought, right like over them taking the water.

38:55 Yeah yeah, but yeah, that is it for this episode. Do you have anything else to add or say? I don't think so, just that I'm very invested in this, Okay, okay, yeah, and I was going to add really quick, if you think you know someone who would enjoy a Patreon membership, you can gift Patreon memberships. It's that gift given season to the time of the year. Yeah, it's you know Christmas and all those other holidays that you givet things season it is season. So yeah, you can gift our Patreon where we have three tiers when it is just like a basic support tier where you get add free episodes.

39:41 Uh the what after that is where you get the bonus episodes where we just talk about like trending topics, read Latin American news, talk about whatever. We never said at what rate we were doing these episodes, but I think they've come out to be like at least two a month, like one a week. Yeah, really, And then that's the tier after that, and then the other tier above that one is all of the things below and a sticker, just the logo sticker like a one time has a known sticker of our podcast art. But sometimes I just am in the mood and I will add extra things, you know, to those tiers. So we should make a little bingo our bingo stickers or something we should send out the bingo. Yeah, like a little I don't know, laminated bingo card or something y. Yeah, actually something to work on that would be very fun future projects noted. And yeah, I have one more thing to add.

40:37 So I sometimes notice our ratings on Spotify, like how much we have to see if we have like new ones, so that can be like thank you people for rating on Spotify. So we have ninety six ratings now and it wouldn't be amazing to get to one hundred. It would be amazing, and we only need four more ratings for that. So if you listen to the podcast and you haven't rated on Spotify, I don't know, I feel free to give us a rating and maybe we'll get to get off of me my lovel maybe we'll get to one hundred, one hundred ratings. Yeah, do you remember when we had like twelve Yeah? Wow, and we're almost at one hundred now, crazy wild. Yeah. Also, shout out to people that find us on threads. I will make one post on there and they just like immediately there's eyes on it and there's people like, wow, this sounds interesting.

41:27 I'm gonna follow that. Super cool what is happening. I feel like Threads is kind of cool for that because I don't know how like people find it, like and even I found stuff and I'm like amazing, like this is so interesting. Yeah for real. So yeah, shout out to anyone that found us on threads or you know, anyone who recently found us also like front of it. Yeah, give us a reading. Send us to a friend that is going to read. If your homies hate w Santo, send this to them. Yeah yeah, oh my homies hate Santo? You sticking? Oh yes, okay, okay, I think that is it. Yeah, well I guess. So thank you everyone for listening, and we hope this is one less estoria unknown for you.

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