Nov. 6, 2025

A Brief History of ICE and Operation Lonestar

A Brief History of ICE and Operation Lonestar
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ICE was created in March 2003 and ever since its inception, there has been calls to abolish it. In this episode, Cristina goes over a brief history of ICE, through the different administraions, from Obama to now, and then briefly goes over Operation Lonestar.

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Sources


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hard-truths-about-obamas-deportation-priorities_b_58b3c9e7e4b0658fc20f979e
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/25/us/ice-immigrant-deportations-trump.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/opinion/sunday/breaking-the-anti-immigrant-fever.html
https://www.clearhorizonlegalsolutions.com/blog/cbp-vs-ice-what-you-need-to-know-about-immigration-enforcement-in-2025/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement
https://forumtogether.org/article/operation-lone-star-texass-logistical-and-political-fireball/
https://www.aclutx.org/en/publications/operation-lone-star-misinformation-and-discrimination-texas-border-enforcement
https://www.texastribune.org/series/operation-lone-star/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Lone_Star
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impersonations_of_United_States_immigration_officials
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/04/07/texas-eagle-pass-shelby-park-reopens-operation-lone-star/
https://forumtogether.org/article/operation-lone-star-texass-logistical-and-political-fireball/

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Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is

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It Unknown, a podcast where we talk about Latin American history.

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Sometimes it's horrible and tso tibi topics like this is

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some corruption and genocide, but more than that, it's also

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about resistance, power and community. And today Carmen is mostly

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just infuriating, just like it has been speaking of the

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has been. You did your five part series on the

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history of Border Patrol, and I or we both, I guess,

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wanted to focus on some newer events that are very

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much related to that history of Bord Patrol that you

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just covered so diligently, because all violent immigration enforcement is

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tied together. So on today's episode, this is a brief

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history of I and also Operation Loan Star in Texas.

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So if you look at the current ICE page, like

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the official government website page, it says that the roots

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of ICE can be dated back to seventeen eighty nine. What, yeah,

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that's what it says. I mean, I guess if you

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tie it to border patrol at this point, just say

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it's border patrol also, like I don't know, well, that's

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what I'm saying, Like there's is a really a difference

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between these yeah, you said the same thing. But I

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mean again, that's a bit of a stretch because ICE

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is very new as an agency. It's a baby, which

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you did say in the last episode. It was ICE.

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The agency we know today, or Immigration, Customs and Enforcement,

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was created after nine to eleven. In March of two

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thousand and three, the Homeland Security Act of two thousand

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and two transferred the function of i INS and US

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Customs Service to three new organizations, the United States Citizenship

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and Immigration Services ICE and US Customs and Border Protection.

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And ICE is the largest investigative arm of the Department

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of Homeland Security. ICE and Border Patrol are separate agencies,

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both doing similar jobs, both basically la mega in general,

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like we have been saying, yeah, but to be extremely accurate,

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there are some differences. Border Patrol is supposed to work

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at the border, but may assist within one hundred miles

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of a border, and that's a lot, right, It could

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be anywhere, it could be anywhere. And ICE, on the

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other hand, they're the ones leading the aggressive raids. Border

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Patrol allegedly that are not doing these aggressive raids, that

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is ICE. And as of July and twenty twenty five,

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ICE agents have a daily arrest quota of three thousand,

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not border patrol, so like technically it's supposed to be

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border patrol at the border only and also one hundred

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miles outside of the border and then within operations that

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have to do with immigration within the United States is ICE,

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and like all these raids and stuff, and so two

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years after they were created, ICE began Operation Community Shield.

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Have you heard of this? I don't think I have. Actually,

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this is an initiative to target violent trans national street

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gangs through ICE's broad law enforcement powers. And these are

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things like the authority to remove criminal immigrants, which at

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this point began to include undocumented immigrants and legal permanent

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residents because even when they began this operation, there were

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instances of them detaining legal permanent residence which they weren't

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supposed to be detaining of course, of course. Yeah, and

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under this operation, so twenty nine to twenty sixteen, during

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the the Obama Biden administration, two point four million undocumented

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immigrants were deported. And so this is why people started

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calling Obama what the deporter in chief? That is correct,

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also because he campaigned on immigrant rights and supposedly creating

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legal pathways for migration and then once he was in

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he was president, he did not do that. Instead, he

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appealed to the right, as most Democrats do because most

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of them are centrists, not in any way left leaning

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at all. If anyone wants to learn more actually about

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I was gonna wait till the ends to say this,

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but the book Everyone Who Has Gone Is Here talks

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about the Central American immigration crisis basically, but it goes

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so in depth and covers so many topics within immigration

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relating to Central America. And something they talk about in

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that book is Obama and one of his campaign people

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that ended up becoming someone in his cabinet head of

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some kind of like immigration department. I don't know if

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the permanence right were, but like under Obama, and she

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faced a lot of criticism because she was an immigrant

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rights activist, and then she basically became the mouthpiece for

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Obama anytime there was some kind of like you know,

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anti immigrant policy, like she had to come out and

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be like, hey, like this is the policy, and people

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are like, what the hell's wrong with you? You're between

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your community and she's like, I'm and she was trying

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to be like I'm working within That never works working

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with this sick tried to fight for immigrants. But yeah,

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I talked about Obama's like what he said when when

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he was running and campaigning and he was actually more

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pro immigrant as a was he a senator? I forgot

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what exactly if you were the senator or what then

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when he became president because it was like a big

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thing in his I don't know, like administration, like basically

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questioning whether they should actually be promegrant because they didn't

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want to piss off their publicans. Basically right right and

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again appealing to the right. It's like they use and

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abuse the voting block that cares about immigration. Right, they

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lie to them, They lie and say where are for this?

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And then they turn around do the opposite. And it's

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like people wanted to blame the people for the Palestinian cause,

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they wanted to blame them for the loss of Kamala Harris.

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But it's these fallose promises and say it's the appealing

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to the right that yes, yes, gets them because it

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doesn't win any left lean people, and it doesn't certainly

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doesn't win anyone on the right. Appealing to the right,

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you know what I mean, It doesn't. Yeah, So it's

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just it's a losing battle. It is they keep doing so,

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they keep doing it. They they have never stumped. Yeah,

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so yeah, people started calling him the deporter in chief.

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And those two point four million deported during the Obama

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Biden administration, forty percent were found to have no criminal

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charges at all. Of course, because I don't know if

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you remember, but this was his thing. He was key.

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They kept saying, oh, criminals only, criminals only. Yeah, much

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like today, Yes, and again of those two point four

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million no criminal charges whatsoever. Started keep saying like the

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same thing. But it just goes to show like this

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is happening now too, like yeah, it's it's excessive, it's

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worse now, but this has been going on. And also

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the book Everyone Who Has Gone Is Here makes it

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a point to be like everything that Trump did, Obama

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set the path for. Like I have that literally written

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in my notes that when asked you, it's so annoying

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when in the comment of anything, they're like Obama like

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trying to defend Trump, and I'm like, okay, nobody agrees

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with Obama, Like we're not saying like yeah and having

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rifle critique. People were calling him deporter in chief back

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then people were calling him out back then. But people

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have like a rosy eyed I forgot rose colored glasses,

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visuals y, Yeah, that's not it of what. Yeah, the

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President Obama presidency was like rose colored glasses. Yeah yeah,

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and that's bombing civilians right in the Middle East aside.

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Mm hmm. So outside of that forty percent, the majority

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of those two point four million that were deported under Obama,

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the majority had very very minor charges. I'm talking like

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marijuana possession and traffic violations. Yeah. These are not hard

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in criminals, right, these are just people. They're all just people,

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of course. And there was another source that I found

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that actually said that it wasn't forty percent that had

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no criminal directors. It was fifty six percent. And that

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came from a report from the Department of Homeland Security.

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Oh wow, that fifty six percent of those two perform

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million had no criminal record. Wow. And I just I

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want to emphasize that number because yes, while we and

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you just already said it, but it's in my notes.

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We are seeing horrible images right now of ice grabbing

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people off the stueets, but this behavior is not new.

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In fact, Obama ice strain. Obama began doing these nights.

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You talked about them, the nighttime raids. Yeah, they went before,

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they began before Obama. But like nighttime raids and workplace

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raids were huge during this time. They ramped them up.

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But well, I'm gonna get into it. That's why I'm

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getting ahead of myself. Right. So, during Trump one point zero,

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when Trump was beginning to talk about ramping up deportations,

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the New York Times publishing article where they said, quote,

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gone are the Obama era rules that required them to

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focus only on serious criminals, which they actually never did, Okay,

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And another opinion piece where they wrote, quote ice and

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the border patrol under mister Obama were ordered to focus

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on arresting serious criminals and national security risks end quote again,

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fifty six percent of those two point four million had

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no criminal records. Right, So people were saying this and

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Trump one point zero, people are repeating this and Trump

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two point zero. But the reality is that migrants in

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the US have always been criminalized. In the whole five

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part series, you basically discuss how it became criminalized, how

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the word immigrant became synonymous with criminal and it's not

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a crime again, which we said again and again during

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our series. But when you criminalize an entire group, it

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becomes okay to do this to them until it's started

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tating people in the face. Yeah. In a November twenty

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fourteen speech, Obama stated, quote, We're going to keep focusing

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enforcement resources on actual threats to our security. Felons not families, Criminals,

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not children, gang members, not a mom who's working hard

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to provide for her kids. Will prioritize just like law

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enforcement does every day. End quote. And yes, that sounds sophisticated,

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in fancy and elegance. It's a great slogan. Oh yeah,

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it's a fancy, fun slogan. Felons not families. And they

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kept repeating that, But that's not what happened. Right in

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twenty sixteen alone, his last year in office, four hundred

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and fifty thousand were deported, and of that four hundred

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and fifty thousand, less than eight percent were found to

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be serious criminals and or gang members. Wow. So if

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gang members were the target, not moms working hard to

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provide for their family, gang members were not who was

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being deported. If that was the target, they missed it.

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They missed it big. But it is because it didn't

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matter exactly. Yeah. Plus like immigrants have been seen as scapegoats, trash,

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disposable server class, you know. So yeah, since migration, mass

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migration began right right. The term or the little slogan catchphrase,

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if you will quote felons not families, It was repeated

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throughout twenty fourteen as if to emphasize that the people

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being targeted for deportations where again felons not families. Then

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I repeat, that's not what happened. And the policies that

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we are seeing today are a continuation and acceleration of

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Obama's deportation policies. Yeah, if the type of deportations that

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Obama okayed in the first place and gave, if he

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had not given ICE more funding during his years, it

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would have been more difficult for them to be doing

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what they're doing today because they would have had to

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start from zero. Also mentioned in the book, everyone Knows

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Gone is here, But no, there these are things people

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know that people most people that have been in these spaces. No. Yeah,

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the reality is that hundreds were deported every single week

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during Obama, But these arrests were so normalized and made

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routine that the media was not paying attention to them.

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And they weren't reported like they're being reported today. And yes,

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I know that it is true that the detainments are

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more visible and more violent right now. I'm not denying

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that that is happening. But to say that, to say

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something like why can't we just have Obama back, that's

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like saying, oh, deportations are okay as long as I'm

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not seeing them. As long as they're not in my

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backyard and not in my line of sight, I don't care. Yeah. So,

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in short, ICE has sucked from the beginning. They sucked

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during Bush, they sucked during Obama, and they sucked now.

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They've always been sucky. During Trump one point zero, he

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signed an executive order then increased ICE staffing by ten thousand,

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and they gave them even more powers, and so arrest

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by ICE grew even more with that, So they're the

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arrest of US citizens. And they were continuing the same

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raids that were happening during Obama, Like the Obama administration

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increased workplace raids, which again have always been a thing,

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but they just increased more and they also increased nighttime

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home raids. But now they're just later and more extreme

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with Trump. And then they added on places of worship

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and education. Yeah. Again, during Trump two point zero, things

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look worse than they are worse they are. ICE is

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already not high. Recruitment standards have been lowered a ton

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before twenty twenty five ro SO Enforcement at a removal

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operation officers they had to complete a thirteen week academy.

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to four weeks in half? So half of thirteen six

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point five, So half of that they cut the Spanish

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language courses that were required. Those are gone. And so

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allegedly the amount of things that they train now is

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forty seven in honor of Trump being the forty seventh president.

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No way, where'd you see this? Wikipedia? It's alleged. Oh

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my god, a source in Wikipedia. You know how you

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look at Wikipedia and then you click on the actual

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source that comes from Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh wow. I

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mean that would be so stupid if that's true. That's

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the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. Well, what don't

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it's one of the many stupidest things. Yes, that's more

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like it. And The Intercept published a report by the

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DHS Officer of Inspector General revealing that one thy two

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hundred and twenty four sexual abuse complaints while in immigration

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custody were filed between January twenty ten and June twenty seventeen.

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What was the number again, two hundred and twenty four

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sexual abuse points. Those are the ones that were filed, right,

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and again that was twenty ten to twenty seventeen. Contrary

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to what ICE claims, only two percent of these one

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thousand plus complaints were investigated. Wow, And we've talked about

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this number before in Spooky Tales, but the Kenot Border

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Initiative reported that in twenty twenty they had received four

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hundred and forty two reports of alleged abuse by border

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patrol and ICE agents combined. Also in twenty twenty, which

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I think we've also talked about this too, but also

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in twenty twenty, a whistle blower, nurse and former employee

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Don Wooden, came out and spoke about women being versibly

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serilized in a Georgia ICE facility, the Irwin County Detention Center.

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And these reports were confirmed by an investigation from the

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Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the US

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Senate in November twenty twenty two. So this was confirmed

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the Office of Inspector General reported that medically unnecessary hysterectomies

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also occurred at other facilities in twenty twenty beyond the

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Erwin Detention Center, which is not surprising to hear. Yeah,

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And so they to investigate this like this report. They

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were looking at the records of the medically necessary major

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surgeries and it was supposed to be provided the Ice

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Health Service Core so ih SC for short. And they

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took so long to first provide any records if they

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were even like usable, if they had enough information to

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begin with. But what they had they analyzed, they hired

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their own obgyn to doctor to review those files that

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the investigating people did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the OIG, so

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the Office of Inspector General finally got these records from

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the IHSC after like a long ass time because they

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took forever to provide it and they had their own

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OBGI and doctor to review those medical files. And so

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they reviewed hysterectomies performed on women in ice detention centers

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between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one, and so they

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found between those years, oh so all of them. So

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the sixth they reviewed six of those cases that were

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provided by the HSC, and they did not These records

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did not demonstrate that a hysterectomy was the appropriate course

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of treatment. So basically confirming, confirming, yeah. And then the

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rapport had a footnote that said that like a lot

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of these files couldn't be reviewed properly because like they

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they said, this was like this happened, but they didn't

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like have documentation as to why it was medically necessary.

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no documentation. And so this report found that one third

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of medical procedures performed on immigrants in ICE custody were

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not properly authorized. So outside of hysterectomies, one third of

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all medical procedures during those years were authorized, yes, either

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because of lack of I think it was the same

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detention center that I just said, the one in Georgia

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only had once banished speaking staff, and they didn't provide

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interpretation services, and whenever they had it was like volunteers,

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and they were the ones who said no, only one

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person's book spanage on staff, damn. And all I can

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find that came of this investigation is that ICE promised

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they would do better, that they would change, yeah, and

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that's it. Wow, there's another troubling thing with this new

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ICE under Trump, well, this new additional version of ICE,

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Like it's still the same ICE, but they have they

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have more power now, right right, right right. So one

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of these new troubling things is the increase of playing

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closed ICE agents and so since that's been a thing,

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there has been an increase of ICE impersonators committing unlawful actions. Yeah. So,

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PBS News Hour reported kidnappings, robberies, fraud, and sexual assaults

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have all happened, and these are linked to in person

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KTLA reported that ICE has been criticized for Oh no,

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I'm gonna skip that. We all know that they've been

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criticized for that, but for failure to identify themselves. Oh well, okay,

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So the failure to identify themselves is helping these impersonators

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because they don't need to identify themselves, and so I

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neither do the imprisonators. According to the Congressional Caucus for

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Women's Issues, the masking of ICE agents has contributed to

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the impersonations and increase exposure of women, especially immigrants, to

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risk of sexual assault. And it's just what an easy

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thing to impersonate. They're wearing normal clothes and masks, right

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and refusing to identify themselves. Yes, yes, And so there

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has been an increase in that kind of stuff happening,

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because yeah, if there was an actual policy and rule

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where they had a uniform and they had to identify

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themselves and these people pretending to be them wouldn't be

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able to pretend to be them right as easily. So

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of course that's another risk. I don't know, horrible thing

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happening under all this, and I have no official nights

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fancy segue, but that was a brief history and like

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currently rise is doing, and now I want to talk

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a little bit about Operation Loan Star. So Operation Loan

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Star began in twenty twenty one and it's still going on.

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operation between the Texas Department of Public Safety and the

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Texas Military Department. And this operation was created to fight

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these are Greg Abbot's words, right to fight to fight

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the rise of illegal immigration, illegal drug trade, and human smuggling.

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Like he cares about those things, okay, right, And according

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to Abbot, Greg Abbot, and since the operation began, migrants

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arrested at the Tech his border have gone up two

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hundred and seventy eight percent, and they, according to them,

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have apprehended five hundred and thirteen thousand, seven hundred migrants

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thanks to this operation. And this little operation of THEIRS

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is costing two point five million dollars per week. Oh

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my god, imagine everything else, anything else you could pay

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in fund with that money, right, and two billion per year?

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Wow at the height. At the height of this operation,

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ten thousand National Guard members were deployed in support of it.

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North Dakota, Florida. Fourteen states have sent five hundred National

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Guard soldiers in support of Operation Loan Star and also

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law enforcement officers a lot from Florida Chucking. Despite the

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high numbers of arrest greg Abbott claims this operation has

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obtained attained whatever. In an investigation by three separate groups,

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Pro Publica, the Texas Tribune, and the Marshall Project have

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found that the Texas Department of Public Safety counted at

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least two thousand arrests that had zero links to Operation

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Loan Star or the border. They just tacked on these

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two thousand arrests that were made That's what they always do,

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as we talked about in the Border Patrol series, they

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inflate the numbers to make it look like they're doing

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more than they are, like they need more funding than

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they need to justify the funny they do have. That's

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exactly what they're doing, and they are still doing it

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like to this day, patting their numbers lying yep. And

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so this operation is not only super expensive in a

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state that has the lowest mental health resources available, it's

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also extremely dangerous. Since Operation lo Star began, high speed

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chases of migrants, like car chases have been have risen, risen,

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risen right, Yeah, have gone up, and many of these

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high speed car chases have been fatal. The Human Rights

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Watch found that more than two thirds of police chases

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and Texas were taking place or began during Operation Loan Star,

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and seventy four people have died from these car chases. Wow.

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One hundred and eighty nine have been injured since Operation

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Loan Stars started. Vehicle pursuit death rates in Texas have

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been eight times higher than everywhere else in the US. Wow.

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As in, since this operation began, you're eight times more

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likely to die in a high speed car chase than

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you are like in any other state. Damn, damn. Don't

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you don't want to be contriving in Texas. That's no.

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These pursuits have caused an average of one hundred and

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seventy seven thousand dollars in property damage every month. Wow,

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before Operation Loane Star, just from regular old crashes, it

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was seventy thousand a month. To fund this operation. Money

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has been taken from other Texas government agencies, of course,

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such as the Department of Criminal Justice and Federal COVID

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AID was supposed to be Federal COVID God. Famously, Texas

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was horrible during COVID For a state so far not

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densely populated, they had a right like that shouldn't have happened.

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It shouldn't have, but it did because all this money

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was going elsewhere. Another discussing part of this operation has

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been the buzzing of migrants to sanctuary cities YEP and

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Greg Abbot bitch as. Greg Abbot has stated that the

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purpose of migrants of the migrant bussing program was to

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provide Texas border town's relief from migrant arrivals that were

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the fall of Biden's immigration policies. Mind you, this is me,

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not Greg Abbit. The Biden administration had strong deportation numbers.

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It had a very they pretended to care about immigration,

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but they again very strong deportation numbers. So to say

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that it was the fall of Biden's immigration policies is

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just another line a lot. Yeah. And he was simply

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bringing the costs of the border crisis to democratic cities

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because they were dismissing the crisis. Yeah, we're shaking our heads. Yeah.

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And speaking of these costs, charter bus companies were paid

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twenty six hundred and fifty per migrant to bus. This

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is individual each INDI visual migrants in there and that bust.

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That's how much money they received to do this. And

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this money was coming from both private donors and the

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Texas legislature. That is so disgusting. Very and when all

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this was happening, the Republican officials in the administration were

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like chewing this on. Of course, they were, yeah, like

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I remember, I remember the then White House Press Secretary

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Jen Saki. I think how you say her name, Pasaki?

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That doesn't sound like that bitch. Yeah. So in twenty

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twenty two, she said it was quote nice, the state

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of Texas is helping migrants get to their final destination.

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Oh my god. And at the same time, the White

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House and other Democrats were calling the busting program a

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political stunt, which it was. Yeah, but these aren't games,

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these are people's lives, like right, and I don't know,

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it's just discussing. Yeah, but the busting program was paused

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in twenty twenty four or because like the money is

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dwindling even for this, that COVID money is running out.

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That's not official. It was just saying, yeah, you have

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to be specific. Okay. So there's been a bunch of

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lawsuits against Abbott for Operation Loan Star, some still ongoing,

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some ended up siding with like like things like yes,

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you can discriminate, you can racially profile, which again already happened.

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Any new rulings on that is just a further agreement

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on the previous one. Yeah. Yeah, But yet another horrible

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thing that happened during Operation Loan Star is the Eagle

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Pass Park standoff. Do you remember this? Yeah, okay, Yeah,

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So Shelby Park is a forty seven acre park in

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Eagle Pass, which is along the Rio Grande, which we

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know separates us in Mexico. It's the very dangerous river

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that has caused many, many deaths because of policies by

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I mean both countries, but more than US. So on

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January eleventh, twenty twenty four, Greg Abbott signed an emergency

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declaration to close the park because of the border crisis

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and the need to secure the border. These are his

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reasons that he gave. And so because of that order,

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the National Guard took control of the park and even

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blocked out Border Patrol. And so border patrol is a

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federal entity, right, and the National Guard is the Texas

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National Guard. So now this was an incident of a

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national state army standing up against federal forces on immigration.

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And so Borderbacho had been using this area to house

449
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:53.559
or to hold in migrants. It was like a point

450
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:56.119
of entry basically where migrants would come up to hear

451
00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:00.400
and they would say, yes asylum, let's put you into center,

452
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.000
you are being processed. So on. They would be doing

453
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.559
this at Shelby Park, and the National Guard in greg Abbot,

454
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.000
this order that he gave is because he didn't want

455
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.119
that to even be that. He didn't want anyone coming

456
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:13.559
through there like this. He's like, this is not a

457
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:15.880
point of entry. Basically even though it was being used

458
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.400
as a point of entry. And so the National Guard

459
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.839
put up seawire again then to a level O pressor. Yeah,

460
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.319
they put up seawire to surround the park and while

461
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.720
border patrol tried to cut it to continue processing. Like

462
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:32.559
border patrol was doing their job, which I hate saying

463
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:37.559
they were trying to process migrants, right, and so border

464
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.200
patrol was trying to cut this seawire and basically they

465
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.319
were told by the courts, no, you can't do that,

466
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:47.680
and so yeah, National Guard Texas National Guard was blocking

467
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:51.400
off federal border patrols from entering, and so the area

468
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.880
was closed down. And after it was closed down, three

469
00:31:53.960 --> 00:32:01.000
migrants were found drowned in the river, and my god,

470
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.799
border patrol claimed that they had told the national Guard,

471
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.359
and the national Guard took no action. But then the

472
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.160
National Guard says they were alerted after the drowning had

473
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:15.000
already happened. And according to people that lived nearby, this

474
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.720
looked like a quote war zone in a throat of

475
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:21.000
the world country. Wow, that's how it looked because of

476
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.240
how it was locked down and there was like sea

477
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:27.359
wire everywhere and no one was allowed to enter, not

478
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:32.000
even border patrol as you could see. And so after

479
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:38.680
this drowning happened, Texas conducted an investigation and they said

480
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.119
that quote based on that investigation, the two Border Patrol

481
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:44.680
agents who approached the gate on January twelfth did not

482
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:47.960
ask for admission to Shelby Park to respond to an emergency,

483
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.839
nor do they advise either the guardsmen or the staff

484
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:56.920
sergeant that any emergency situation existed. So basically, Border Patrol

485
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:01.000
didn't tell the National Guard that there was a migrants

486
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:05.480
that were at risk of drowning. And it's like they,

487
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:11.160
in their pettiness, they're playing with people's lives. Yeah, they're

488
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:14.519
treating this like a game and people are dying exactly.

489
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:19.000
And when this Eagle Park situation happened, there was National

490
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.559
Guard people that were like, we can't do this, Like

491
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:24.680
we're being told not to help them, but we can't

492
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:28.400
not help a mother and her children. Yeah, and they

493
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:30.960
were actually helping, which is wild to say. Not the

494
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.599
Texas once it was like these were I saw a

495
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:38.559
Latino National guardsman who medic who was I want to

496
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:42.079
say it was either Kansas or North Dakota's a Midwest state.

497
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.799
I don't remember the state anymore. But he and his

498
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:48.880
sick unit ended up like getting people out of rivers

499
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.200
because they couldn't not help, even though that was their orders.

500
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.559
And there was like low morale of the National Guard

501
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.119
that was sent here because they were like, we're not

502
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.559
okay with this. Of course they didn't. They didn't want

503
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.319
to be there, yes, exactly, they didn't want to not

504
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:06.480
be helping. Like it's like a human, a basic human

505
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:13.960
want to help someone, Yeah, in like need, especially in

506
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:22.159
emergency situations, you know. Yes, So, the Department of Justice

507
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.840
said that a Mexican search and rescue team recovered the

508
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.000
bodies of the three victims, wow Vic Derma de la

509
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:32.519
Sancha Cerros, who was thirty three, George Ruby, who was ten,

510
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:36.320
and Jonathan Agustine Brionez de la Sancha who was eight,

511
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:42.119
and they were from the state of Mexico and they

512
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.840
were trying to cross the border to escape drug cartol

513
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:48.639
related violence. And so while the National Guard and Barbitra

514
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.760
are pointing fingers blaming each other, yes, the borb patrol

515
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.199
was found to not have told the National Guard, who

516
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.599
would have probably gone to save them, something that Borbatrals

517
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:03.519
sometimes they themselves don't on purpose. While all this is happening.

518
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:05.840
If they had just let it a point of entry,

519
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:10.960
which it was, could have reached. Yes, exactly. So point

520
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.800
of entries not to say I'm against equote illegal immigration.

521
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.360
Obviously I don't believe in illegal immigration, right, I don't

522
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:23.920
believe I can do that famously, we don't believe. But

523
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:29.119
point of entries are a human right. They are like

524
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.679
a what is that thing that we do? The United

525
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:34.760
States doesn't recognize that. Everyone else in the world. Almost

526
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.480
everyone else in the world does, like the But it's

527
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:41.599
a human right to see. Yeah, asylum somewhere and countries

528
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:45.199
aren't supposed to have point of entries for people to

529
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:47.719
seek asylum because it is illegal, and it is a

530
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:53.840
right to seek asylum. Mind you, everything in Latin America

531
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:58.639
and the world is the United States fault, including cartels,

532
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:03.079
even though they would never admit it. Yeah. And so

533
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:06.320
these people would not even be feeling the need to

534
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.679
seek not feeling the need. They wouldn't need to seek

535
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:12.960
asylum if it wasn't for the United States, Yeah, which

536
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.719
is what we've been saying. Yeah. And it wasn't until

537
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:20.199
April of this year that National Guard presence was drastically

538
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:24.960
decreased and the park finally reopened. Really. Yeah, it was

539
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:29.239
like a little over a year that this park remained

540
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:33.440
under National Guard like custody and nobody could enter. Wow.

541
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:39.719
Another thing, another horrible, discussing thing that came from the

542
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:43.840
Operation Loan Star was the attempt for Texas to make

543
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:48.639
their own wall. Right. So, Texas officials have been placing

544
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:54.599
this razor wire across the US Mexico border since Operation

545
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:58.159
Loan Star began, and by April of twenty twenty four,

546
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:02.000
they had unspooled over one hundred miles of this wire

547
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:10.840
to keep migrants and asylum seekers out. Disgusting. Yeah, and

548
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:16.239
so this is a medic that was stationed there from

549
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:17.960
but I don't know where the medic is from, if

550
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:22.039
they're from the National Guard in Texas or another National

551
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:26.239
Guard unit, but they this medic sent an email to

552
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:33.440
command staff about what he witnessed so these people. So,

553
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:37.400
although he supported the operation, he warned that recent practices

554
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:42.159
stepped over a line into inhumane treatment of vulnerable people.

555
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:45.840
So it's like it's something. It's not as good as

556
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.239
I would want the statement to be, but it's something.

557
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:51.800
So in his email, he shared the story of a

558
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.360
four year old girl. And sorry, this is heavy. This

559
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.519
what is upcoming? This has already been this. Topics are

560
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:01.320
always heavy, right, but this is extra hard to hear.

561
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:04.519
So in his email, he shared the story of a

562
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:06.840
four year old girl who tried to cross the wire

563
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.440
but was pushed back by Texas National Guard members and

564
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:13.719
they over one hundred degree he The child fainted from

565
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:17.519
exhaustion and remained unresponsive while he tried to treat her.

566
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.719
On that same day, a father with a lacerated leg

567
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:26.840
told the trooper that he has sustained this laceration while

568
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:29.800
pulling his child out of a trap in the water.

569
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:33.000
And why are there traps in the water? What the

570
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:37.159
fuck is that? Right? These were those barrels covered with wire.

571
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.480
It's part of Yeah, that's what I mean, Like they

572
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:44.880
put those there. They literally deliberately not literally, they're deliberately

573
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:49.400
harming people and then refusing to help them. Yeah, and

574
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.920
it's like and then blaming them for their own death. Yeah,

575
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.199
like we saw during your series that you did. The

576
00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:00.000
river alone is like it's a dangerous, yes, a determ,

577
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.280
but now on top of the river, it's made it

578
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:09.480
more dangerous. They're putting on purpose barrels covered in wire. Yeah,

579
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.360
that same night. This is on the same day. That

580
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.599
same night, this medic found a nineteen year old woman

581
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.119
caught in the wire, doubled over in pain as she

582
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:25.039
suffered a miscarriage. Oh my god. And like, this isn't

583
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:27.760
bordering on hold on what did he read? Let me

584
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.199
go back to this email. This isn't stepping over a

585
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:34.039
line into inhuman treatment of vulnerab people. This is way

586
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.280
over the line, way over the line. Even putting those

587
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.400
without anyone being hurt, yet putting those barrels with the

588
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:45.519
wire on them, that's crossing a line. Yeah, to even

589
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.239
have created such a policy, it's like the level of

590
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:54.800
gyumanization that is required, the thought to even think of

591
00:39:54.880 --> 00:40:01.599
these discussing policies. And it's like you don't see immigrants

592
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:05.360
as people, you know, and they don't. To me what

593
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:08.719
it feels like, it like putting a wrap for a

594
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:12.159
rat in your fucking house, and that's what they think

595
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:14.679
they're doing. And this is and that's oppissed to me off, like, oh,

596
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:16.320
you wouldn't let such and said in your house. This

597
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:19.400
country is in your house. You live here with thousands

598
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.760
of other people. It's like such a crazy entitle thing

599
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:29.320
to fucking say yes exactly, man, sorry, say it. Stop yelling.

600
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:35.639
I'm not no no. In July twenty twenty three, Texas

601
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:40.039
officials installed a roughly one thousand foot string of bright

602
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:42.800
orange buoys in the Rio Grand between you go past

603
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:48.400
and Piedras Negras, Mexico. And these floating buoys consisted of

604
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:52.440
these barrels that were four feet in diameter, and they

605
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.840
like spun around in the water, that's what they do,

606
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:58.800
so that if someone tried to climb these buoys, the

607
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:02.199
person would slip back word into the water so they

608
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:04.719
couldn't hold on to them. And then some of these

609
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.320
had the wire around them as well. This is like

610
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.000
hunger game shit, like what they did to the kids

611
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:12.880
in the in the fucking Hungary games, like to torture them.

612
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:16.000
This is on that level. Yeah, And people read those

613
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.920
and cry about fictional characters going through these things, and

614
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:24.800
there's real people, there's real people being literally tortured by

615
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:30.360
the government, like this is torture, it is. And some

616
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:35.280
of these buoys also also had cautionary messages for migrants

617
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:42.280
saying entrance is prohibited or no crossing between the booies themselves.

618
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:47.599
There was dangerous sobblades that obviously cut people. This is

619
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:50.199
fucking crazy. Like I knew it's insane, but I feel

620
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.719
like hearing it all after one after the other, and

621
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.199
not just that. They also had stainless steel nants floating

622
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.480
below the buoyese to keep migrants from swimming under neath

623
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:04.239
to reach the other side. Like this is this is torture,

624
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:06.239
trapping them in the water so they could die. This

625
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.599
is deliberately killing people. Yes, but you know what if

626
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:14.239
people here hear this and they don't care about migrants

627
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:16.679
or the people that are being trapped by this. There's

628
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:22.920
also wildlife being killed. Oh right, because a lot some people,

629
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:27.519
some people out there of a certain hueless shade, Yeah,

630
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:32.159
care more about animals than people. Right. Oh, you're crying

631
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:37.440
about dogs left behind by people have been detained disappeared

632
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:41.119
by eyes, but not not one fuck about the people

633
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:45.239
that have been disappeared by eyes. I'm like, dude, So

634
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:51.840
these border booize garnered a ton of criticism, rightfully, so

635
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:59.119
like both humanitarian groups and diplomatic for diplomatic reason, who

636
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:01.880
fight them? I feel like, who is sitting there making

637
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:05.360
torture devices? Thank you? Thank you? Who is doing this.

638
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.760
I don't know. I didn't look into who manufactured these,

639
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:11.960
but like you look back, people look back at World

640
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:16.159
War two right now and talk about the evil Nazi scientists,

641
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:19.920
some evil purdue. I don't know what these things are called.

642
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:22.280
People that make these things, but some evil company made

643
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:28.880
this boo yes, designed is yeah, ny did put it

644
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:32.000
into a little buoy maker whatever they're I don't know

645
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.480
how these are made, but you know what I mean? Yeah,

646
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:40.119
and then put them in the water. HM. In August

647
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:44.519
twenty twenty three, the body of a drowned migrant was

648
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:49.000
found along that barrier, and Texas officials claimed that the

649
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:53.679
person died upstream and floated into the buize. They were

650
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:57.320
trapped by the buoizeatly, and that's really what they felt

651
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:01.440
or what their explanation explained it away. If that's really

652
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:04.039
why did they put these there? That was their goal,

653
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:06.840
that was their intention. Yeah, and now they're gonna be like, oh,

654
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.679
actually no, they just ended up there. That wasn't done

655
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:12.280
on purpose by those things, which that was the whole

656
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:18.039
point of those things. Yeah. The what do they people

657
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:20.440
keep repeating now the violence has a purpose or something,

658
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:22.360
the fear I don't know what people keep saying, have

659
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.960
you seen no idea what that is? Oh? Yeah, people

660
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.440
keep writing this like the violence is the purpose or

661
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.719
the oh whatever, Oh I know what you're talking about now.

662
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:32.880
It's because people are all like, oh, why are they

663
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.480
so violent? And they're like, the violence is the point

664
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:38.840
something like that. Yeah, exactly, And so in this, in

665
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:41.159
the same manner, the point was for that migrant to

666
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:44.039
be trying to write and killed but they don't even

667
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:45.920
known up to it, which obviously wouldn't make it writing,

668
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:49.480
but right, but at least like, if you're gonna be

669
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:51.559
a fucking bitch, own up to be in a fucking bitch,

670
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:52.760
you know what I mean. If you're gonna be a

671
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.239
little hateful little fucking bitch, I own up to be

672
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:56.840
in a hayful little bit. This is the same ship

673
00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:59.199
like those fucking like people that vote for Trump and

674
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:01.960
they're like, ooh oh you could even say you would

675
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:04.480
for him, or people will get mad at you flipped

676
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:06.880
you off. Like if you're so private, decision, own it.

677
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:08.800
And if you get fucking hit in your face for

678
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:12.480
it to fucking bad, bitch, to fucking bat exactly exactly.

679
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:17.199
Own your decisions, have accountability. You know. Yeah, not that

680
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:21.000
I'm advocating for violence or whatever. No, of course not. No,

681
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.920
we're not. We're not. Famously, I've never even been in

682
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:29.679
a fight. Famously, she hasn't, and neither have I. No,

683
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:34.079
because we're just peaceful, you know people. Yeah, these are

684
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just very inhuman practices that are literally creating more dangerous situations.

685
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.719
Then we're already dangerous situations, like it's increasing the danger.

686
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:49.800
And again, beyond the human rights aspect of these buoys,

687
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:54.559
there's also again the environmental impact also, and so on

688
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.159
top of that, there's also the question of sovereignty and

689
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:01.519
transnational borders. Because this is a river in between where

690
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:05.119
does the river begin an end for each country. Bondies

691
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:13.519
of water move and shift, there's waves like the Yeah,

692
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:17.119
this is a moving boundary line like the nature. They're

693
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:20.599
gonna buy it, right, your fucking big borders. Seventy nine

694
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:24.159
percent of the strings between these buoys cross into Mexico.

695
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:27.920
They're in Mexico, And what kind of shit is that

696
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:30.679
they had to go and move the buoys closer to

697
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:34.960
the US. But this is water, it moves, they shoul

698
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:41.159
want to be in there. So in short, Operation Loan

699
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:48.480
Star worsened already existing racial profiling and unconstitutional policing. It

700
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:53.480
also mostly arrested people, again like these operations always do.

701
00:46:56.480 --> 00:47:00.440
They detained more mostly low level offenses like trespassing, and

702
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:03.239
not what they claimed that they were going after, these

703
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:08.440
drug traffickers, human smugglers, dangerous criminals. The only crime was

704
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:11.559
the crime they created, the crime of crossing into the US.

705
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:15.280
This wasn't always a crime. And these are the people

706
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:20.480
being detained, that is their only crime. They made them criminals,

707
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:25.440
like we've been saying abriation. Lone Star has also overwhelmingly

708
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:31.000
prosecuted US citizens, Ford regulator defenses, human smuggling, now weapons charges.

709
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:35.599
It also has expanded well beyond the border, which it's

710
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:37.800
supposed to stay at the border, and it hasn't because

711
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:43.280
these things always expand, right, and they're lying about the

712
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.760
number of arrests in the first place. So it's just

713
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:52.440
been this expensive waste of money. It's been causing more

714
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:56.679
killing more people, causing more accidents, and it's not even

715
00:47:56.719 --> 00:48:01.440
doing what it's supposed to be doing, right except wasting money.

716
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:08.960
And that she piss me off the operation, not the

717
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:11.440
money part, because like this again, this money could be

718
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:14.880
going towards I don't know the snap benefits people haven't received,

719
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:18.280
but because it would never do that, they would never yep,

720
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:24.840
And yeah, that was a brief history of ice and

721
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.400
then like present day ice things and operation don't start.

722
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:32.679
Because even though this is a history podcast, one day

723
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:35.679
someone's gonna look back at this and be like, one

724
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.639
day someone will say this was wrong. Despite the people

725
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:41.719
saying it was, it's wrong. Now people are gonna look

726
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:43.599
at being like I never agreed with that, even though

727
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:48.800
they did liked. Yeah, I read when I was reading

728
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:50.800
about Operation Sorry, I read a lot of people that

729
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:52.679
are like, because you know, within families that will be

730
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.360
someone who believes in something and someone who doesn't. Ye right,

731
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.400
And so there was a family that was being interviewed

732
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:02.960
by some Texas news paper and the dad about both

733
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:07.880
like third generation of Mexicans or something, so in Texas.

734
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:11.559
So the dad was born here, so was the daughter.

735
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:14.199
But the dad is more Republican than the daughter. And

736
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:16.840
the dad is like, I don't agree with my daughter

737
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:19.480
on what she believes, but even I believe this is

738
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.719
too far about Operation Loan Star and what they were

739
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.559
doing with like the buoize and yeah, the wire so

740
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:30.679
but this is what happens when you dehumanize a class

741
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.440
of people. Extremism like this is a form of extremism.

742
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:41.880
This is extremist violence against migrants, perpetry about the state. Yeah,

743
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.719
and it's happened because people historically have not given one

744
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:49.519
single fuck about migrants. It has been okay thus far,

745
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.239
and so now it looks like too much. But it

746
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:56.920
took something to get here, It's right steps, It took levels,

747
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:59.719
and at level one they didn't care. Level two. Now

748
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:02.000
it's like at one hundred, and now now you care

749
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:07.079
or not not everyone does or not not everyone does. Yeah,

750
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:09.800
but like this man who was a Republican for his

751
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:12.519
whole life and still doesn't agree with everything that Stara does,

752
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:15.480
even he went as far as would admit he doesn't

753
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:22.119
agree with what Greg Abbet is doing. So there's hope. Yeah,

754
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.880
it's doing Julie every day. Actually, at the time of recording,

755
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:29.800
Mom Donnie won the name is Mom Donnie. We're not

756
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:33.559
in New York famously, but I love that. And see

757
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:38.639
what happened on Yeah, it's what happened with Prop fifty. Yeah. Yeah,

758
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:42.000
and we need all the good signs we can and again,

759
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:45.280
you know, we can have hope in the establishment and

760
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.559
then maybe let down later, but we need to hold

761
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:53.400
on to hope for yeah, yeah, so yeah, but yeah,

762
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:55.239
I did want to share this to follow up on

763
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:57.679
your series of the history Border Patrol, because yeah, it's

764
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:00.519
all tied together, it all connects so and definitely because

765
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:02.639
even as you were talking on you we mentioned throughout

766
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:09.679
like we're seeing threads of what has been established early

767
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:12.199
on by the Border Patrol and the continuation of that.

768
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:19.920
Right this Operation Lone Star is a continuation and increase

769
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:24.639
ant extreme version of the Border patroled earlier policies of

770
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:28.400
using nature as a deterrent. Right Like, it's it's just everything.

771
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:32.880
It like the Border Patrol and their previous operations. It's

772
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:39.360
all like a predecester to now exactly exactly all right,

773
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:43.039
I guess that brings us to the end, it does,

774
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:49.519
it does, Okay, reminder that if we want to support

775
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776
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.559
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777
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:58.360
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778
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we go over fun gossip and other times it's just

779
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:05.159
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780
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781
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We also take part of that and donate it to

782
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:14.480
some organization lately, it's because it's been easy to just

783
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:17.360
do the same one. It's been an organization that helps

784
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:22.320
cara mashers in LA who have been facing larger deportations

785
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:26.199
or have been target people facing the deportations targeted. Thank you,

786
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:28.800
That's the word I was looking for during these deportations.

787
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.679
And yeah, because of that, the people who have not

788
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.239
been departed and are afraid to leave their homes and

789
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:37.440
go to work, and so the organization has been giving

790
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:41.599
them groceries and helping them you know, live. So yeah,

791
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:45.920
all this information is in the show notes and yeah,

792
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:48.559
other than that, we hope that this was one less

793
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