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Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina. This is Unknown,
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a podcast where we talk about Latin American history. Sometimes
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it's horrible and deals with Tybee topics like racism, corruption,
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and genocide. But more than that, it's also about community
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power and resistance. Yeah, that's it. It's just a lot
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of order than how we usually say it. But it
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doesn't matter. Okay, Well it sounded wrong as I was
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saying it. Yeah. Also while I was out of breath
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as I was talking, I don't know what's going on.
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Also warning I might be low energy today. I'm dying.
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I have an illness that my child gave me. My
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throw is sore. Who know, I'm tired. So yeah, okay,
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that's okay. I'm glad it's to you episode. Yeah, you're welcome. Well, Christina,
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Today we're talking about Puerto Rican women being harmed in
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the creation of birth control pills. Wow, tell me what.
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This has been on my topic list for a long
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time and I know haven't had it was because I
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got it from our topic list. Oh I added it,
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like yeah a year ago. You even added some sources
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that I was able to use. Only one of them
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was like a dead article. It didn't go anywhere, okay,
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but yeah, I used a few of your sources. You
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did some of the work for me. Yeah, not so good.
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I did still do some more researching here. I'm not
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only using Christina's labor, right, right, But it was a
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good starting point for sure. Yeah. Well, I'm excited because
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I know this is going to be depressing. Oh yeah
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it is. But you know, it just got me thinking
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because last week, is it the Spanish version of an
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episode we had already done about the four sterilizations in California. Yeah,
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so I kind of want to stay on that theme
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of reproductive and medical injustice, if you will. But also
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it's part of, like, I don't know, a larger theme
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that we've talked about. I don't know, like using people
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of color as guinea pigs. I guess, yes, I mean
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we've talked about what the Guatemalan syphilis studies, the mustard
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gas experiments again, the foresvitilizations, to name a few Cornelius roads. Yes, yeah,
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something we haven't talked about, but we learned about probably
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in school, well not in high school, but Tuskegee. Yes, right,
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we mentioned it briefly in the Guatemalan Ziphilis studies. So,
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I mean, you know, there's a long, long, long story
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of this, sadly, yes, but yeah, before we get into
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the trials itself, the trial, let's get to know our villains.
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Some say that these doctors meant well because they really
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believed the pills were safe and that it would give
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women choices. And as a defending point, some have pointed
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out that when the doctors even handed out first control
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pills to their family members, even in their experimental stage.
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So who knows, Okay, but I don't think you can
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dismiss that women were also viewed less than even more
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back then, so more than today. Yeah, although we are
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reverting to that again, we're going back. Even though they
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said we weren't going back, we are. That laugh was
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actually a cry for help, no, I mean yeah, yeah.
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So the pioneers of the birth control pill were John
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Rock and Gregory Pinkis. Both of them got their start
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at one of the most evil places in the world,
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Harvard What a surprise, shocker. So. Gregory Pinkus was born
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in nineteen o three to Russian Jewish immigrants in New Jersey.
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He attended Cornell, another evil place, after winning a scholarship.
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I'm sorry, I'm laughing because I remember we said that
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in the Cornelis Rhodes episode, but I don't remember where
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he went, but it was one of these IVY leagues.
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What are these evil schools, these evil IVY leagues? And yeah,
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he won a scholarship to Cornell, where he excelled in biology.
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Eventually he became an assistant professor at Harvard and gained
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notoriety for his creative and innovative research in mammalian sexual physiology.
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In nineteen thirty four, Gregory achieved IVF and rabbits Okay, yeah,
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and this was the scientific feat, but it was not
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received positively by the general public, and they began to
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see why they began referring to Gregory as doctor Frankenstein. Wow,
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a bit much, I think, yeah, yeah, but for the
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times it makes sense. Yeah, it was like freaky for
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the time, but also around this time freaky. No, it
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was like a like a freak of nature. It was
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viewed as a freak of nature. That's why I said free,
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like the weirdest thing. Yeah, yeah, it's like a natural yeah,
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which some people still say about IVF that those people
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being Christians who want to run this country to the
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ground to the you know why, because they want the
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apocalypse to come because oh well yeah, it's in their
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book The Little Fiction, the oldest fantasy series in the world. Yeah, okay, Anyway,
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this attitude had a lot to do with the release
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of the science fiction book Brave New World by Alduiss.
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I don't know how to say his name, Eldis or Aldouis.
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We all know the book. Yeah, actually yeah, I had
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seen it, but I never knew what it was about.
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I'l just Huxley since I didn't finished seing his name.
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But yeah, I guess it's about fatherless test tube babies
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born with no human born. Sorry, sorry that sounds like
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today I'm saying, yeah, born with no humanity or spirit
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and you know this this I shouldn't need to say this,
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but obviously babies, children people born from IVF are not
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test two babies, and they are regular people fatherless. But no,
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still a belief like why do you think, oh, yeah,
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don't want gay people to be able to have access
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to And there's obviously a lot to be said about
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is surrogacy exploitative blah blah blah, which you know, it's
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not what we're going to talk about. But people should
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have families if they want them. Yeah, of course. So
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Gregory ended up being denied tenure and he was let
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go by Harvard because they cared about their reputation. Yes, yeah,
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I could remember that word. I was like, I was
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gonna say, like how people view them, but there's like
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a shorter way of saying that. Yeah. So Gregory ended
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up bringing a small private lab with another friend, and
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in the early nineteen fifties he was a proud Bye
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did she devil herself? Margaret Singer? Oh and someone else
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who I'm assuming is also she doubled. But I did
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not have time to look into Catherine McCormick about developing
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a birth control pill. Gregory was interested in this more
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for the science than the social implications or benefits of
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a birth control pill. He wasn't to help but to
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learn yeah, yeah, yeah, the science behind exactly. Yeah. He
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once said I am against women having sexual freedom, but
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I hasten to add that I'm also opposed to sexual
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freedom among men. Okay, well, at least that's like a
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balanced view. Yeah, that's truly funny. And before we get
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to John Rock, the other pioneer of the birth control pill.
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Let's let's take a quick journey on market singer. Okay,
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I feel like some people most people maybe I don't know.
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I don't know if most people. I feel like my
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view is very skewed because of this whole podcast, right right,
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But I feel like people know about her, right the
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name sounds familiar, but it can't like place. Oh okay,
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right now, she was like the founder of planned parenthood.
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Have you heard about how planned parenthood is racist and
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blah blah? Yeah, And like I hesitate to talk about
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this because this is also a viewpoint that the right manipulates. Yeah,
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but they have like, like anything they say, you can't
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even take parts of it because they are also racist, right, true.
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So it's like, okay, this is like shit calling shit
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shit like yeah, yeah, yeah, because they say birth control
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was created like as a racist blah blah. I mean,
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at the end of the day, everything ties back to
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racism and eugenics, you know what I'm saying, at the
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expense everything we have people indigenous people, including this country,
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you know what I'm saying. Yes, yeah, so it's not
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it doesn't matter, right So anyway, Yeah, Margaret's singer is
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known for her work as a feminist to help bring
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a birth control to the United States and around the world.
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What is less known is Margaret's dark motivations behind wanting
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women to have access to birth control. These motivations being
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racism and eugenics. Not shocking, rain, was she like trying
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to limit the populations of black women and like people
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of color? Yeah? Yeah, okay, So Margaret's early life and
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career as a nurse also led her to fight for
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women to have access to birth control. So it wasn't
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only the racism and eugenics, okay. It was also because
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she was one of eleven children ooh, and often saw
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her mother's stressed and overworked. And then later as a nurse,
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she saw the struggles women faced without access to birth control.
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And also during this point in time, the Comstock Act
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of eighteen seventy three was in place, and this made
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it illegal to publish, distribute, and possess obscene information, including
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information about medications or other methods of abortion and contraception. Interesting,
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you bring that specific thing up because it today it's
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something that's still being used by right writing. Another reason
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I want her to talk about this, Yeah, it's ever So,
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what's the word. M hmm. Ever green prevalent, Yeah, prevalent.
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What did you say, ever green? Yeah, like something that
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never goes away off the topic. That's like a yeah, yeah, relevant,
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sadly really yes, truly unfortunately. I'm sorry. I was gonna
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say it's shorter, but I was like, I guess people
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don't you like that? I said it so true. And
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of course, wanting women to have control over their lives
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and reproduction is a good thing. But Margaret Margaret was
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a staunch eugenist, as she wrote about in many of
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her writings, and she saw birth control as a safe
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way to limit the growth of certain populations. Those certain
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populations being black, condigenous people of color, of course, and
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for people well there it is, including poor white people.
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So yeah, well that's what the thing that poorably people
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don't realize that they're limped in with everyone else. Yes,
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and they always have been since the dawn of time.
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So Margaret believed the United States was suffering because of
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uncontrolled reproduction, especially from feeble minded people quote feeble minded,
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something we talked about also in the Forester Relations episode.
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We have feeble minded people living in city slums. Margaret
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subscribed to the eugenus belief that quote feeble mindedness was
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associated with abnormally high rates of fertility, which was also
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described as a biological menace. Wow, which is something also
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we talked about in the relations episode. I mean, because
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this is a Eugenus believe, you know, which we talked
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about a lot. Well, you can hear my child in
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the background, but I was gonna say this ties into
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the whole Latinas are extra ferdile. They love making babies.
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They love babies, yep, And so yeah, she believed that
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feeble minded people shouldn't have the personal liberty to reproduce
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as much as normal people. There it is, so Margaret
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saw birth control as a solution and was quoted saying
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birth control is really the greatest and most truly eugenic method,
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and its adoption as part of the program of eugenics
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would immediately give a concrete and realistic power to that science.
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So she was just putting it all out there. That's
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like very upfront. That's just hiding anything. She was saying.
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The quiet part. Yeah, it wasn't for later years. She
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tried to hide this and like these letters came to
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be I think discovered later. But I didn't really look
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much into that. Well, during these years, they were very
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proud of their beliefs. And now it's coming back, right,
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and Margaret's mind feeble minded people not only included I
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already mentioned this, but yeah, poor people, black people, people
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of color. In a writing called The Pivot of Civilization,
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mar Margaret wrote several pages about a sixteen year old,
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the black girl she knew from one of the planned
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parenthood clinics, who was supposedly feeble minded, and who supposed
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uncontrolled reproduction resulted in sixteen children who either died at
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a young age or supposedly became criminals. Honestly, I don't
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trust March, no, of course not. But that's another thing
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that it's another very eugenusic genuism belief, like, yeah, that
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the genus believe. I think, yeah, whatever, it doesn't matter,
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it doesn't Mexicans are thieves. Black people are more likely
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to commit crimes because they're black, not you know, all
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the other economic and socioeconomic things happening there. But it's
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because of the race. Yeah. So yeah, and this also
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I don't think we've mentioned it as much, but it
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also was for people with disabilities, right, yes, And of course,
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there's a lot more to be said. So one of
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the articles I used is about Margaret and her eugenist
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believes So I'll definitely be good if you want to
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learn more about that to read that article, because yeah,
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I mean there's a lot, there's a lot out there's
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too much. So now a bit about the other co
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creator of the birth control pill, John Rock John was
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born in eighteen ninety in Massachusetts. He went to the
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High School of Commerce in Boston and had never actually
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planned to become a doctor, instead pursuing a career in business,
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but he later discovered business was not for him and
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he turned to medicine, obtaining an undergrad and medical degrees
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from Harvard Harvard, John worked at different women's hospitals in
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Boston before establishing his own medical practice, where he mostly
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worked with the women having fertility problems. Although John was
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a devout Catholic and socially conservative, throughout his practice, he
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came to support access to contraceptives within marriage because he
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often saw women's suffer from collapse wombs, premature aging, and
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poverty from unwanted pregnancies. And John was also a professor
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of obstetrics and gynecology at Harvard, and he taught about
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birth control, which was basically unheard of back then and