June 26, 2025

The National Synarchist Union

The National Synarchist Union
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The National Synarchist Union was a fascist organization in Mexico, and was most popular from 1940 to around 1943. It sought the unity of the Catholic church and government, and for the church to rule; although it never gained much power, its beliefs and goals are comparable to Christian nationalism in the US, which we are seeing fighting for control of the US.

In this episode, Carmen tells Cristina about this brief organization in Mexico.

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Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Antonio_Urquiza
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synarchism#:~:text=Synarchism%20generally%20means%20%22joint%20rule,Catholic%20theocracy%20movement%20in%20Mexico.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Sinarquism
https://www.scielo.org.mx/pdf/cultural/v3n1/v3n1a2.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20110708041400/http://guanaco17.blogspot.com/2008/06/manifiesto-sinarquista-de-1937.html
https://digitalrepository.unm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1069 &context=hist_etds&httpsredir=1&referer=
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/what-is-christian-nationalism-and-why-it-raises-concerns-about-threats-to-democracy
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1260150915
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2TSJu4oyWlxIVA8BK589EM?si=li-noigSQWentPZlXa7voQ&nd=1&dlsi=86e1cc12785d4873 ​​https://religionnews.com/2025/06/14/suspect-in-killing-of-minnesota-legislator-is-an-ordained-minister-who-evangelized-in-africa/

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Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is

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Estodia's Unknown, a podcast about Latin American history. Sometimes it's

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horrible and deals with tivy topics like racism, corruption, and genocide.

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But more than that, it's also by resistance, power and community.

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And today I'm finally not talking krmen. What are what

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are you talking about today? What are you sharing? Oh? Yeah,

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it's been a it's been a minute there for you. Yes,

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it's been me. It was my fault. No worries, no worries,

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it was I don't want to say a good time

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because you know it was tough to hear, but it

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was a time. It was a time, aid. Oh yeah,

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oh you beat me to it. Okay, well, Christina, today

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we're talking about fascism. Okay, very on team. It's always

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on team in the US. But sadly, yeah, today we're

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talking about a fascist organization from Mexico, the National Synarchist Union. Oh,

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Mexican fascism. Yeah. The National Synracist Union is also commonly

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referred to as ls signor gistans. And before we get

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into it, let's define synarchy or synarchism. Have you heard

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this term? No, synarchism means joint rule or harmonious rule,

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meaning a form of government where political power rests with

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a secret elite aka a shadow government or a deep state.

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Oh that doesn't sound good. Yeah, a real deep state,

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a real deep state. Synarchy is not always religious, but

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in Mexico it was okay, And I mean, of course

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this goes without saying, but a government ruled by a

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shadow government or a secret lead is not good, right, right? Right?

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Wouldn't you say you agree? So you agree? Would agree? Yes?

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The National Sernacist Union was co founded by Josse Antonio Gisa,

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who is now described as a fascist, although in life

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he was supposedly a political and was interested more in religion.

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I'd argue that an interest in religion is almost always

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going to be conservative. Sometimes none, yeah, not always, not always.

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I take it back, I take it back. Not always.

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Hashtag not all Christians, but for Jsse Antonio. Josse Antonio

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or Giza, was a hardcore Catholic, but like extremists, extremists

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as yets okay. He was born April tenth, nineteen oh four,

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in Queretaro to a wealthy land owning family, but the

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family would go on to lose a lot of their

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land during the Mexican Revolution. I was going to ask

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what time places all this, but you're about to say, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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and so that happening. You know. His family losing their

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land during the revolution, no doubt influenced his ideology, even

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though he denied it was political. Okay, couldn't have radicalized him,

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but in a bad way. Yeah, the other way. Before

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Kofani the Synarchist Union, Juos Antonio was part of a

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secret Catholic society, an organization called the Base or the Legion,

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based out of Gua Oh no bad, Oh well, well,

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I kinda even to this day is known as a

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more Well, it's funny because it's known as probably the

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second gayest city of Mexico besides Mexico. But Calisco itself

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is very conservative and known to fall for right wing propaganda.

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I don't know if that's the right way to say

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it or not, but prone prone to be a more

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right wing I guess, yeah, and Catholic okay, but in

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a bad way, you know, but in a bad way. Yeah,

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But anyway. They were based out of Guadracarta and he

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was the leader of the Guana Quato division of the Legion.

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And I tried to find more info on this organization

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but couldn't really find anything. It's a secret, right of course.

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I did find a PDF that talked about the National

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League for the Defense of Religious Liberty or the League

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for short, and it was founded in nineteen twenty five

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and had a faction in guader Raacara. So then as

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I read about it and read on, it seemed like

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the League was a predecessor to the Legion, and the

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League actually split because a small group of Jesuits opposed

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using violence as a tactic and then just would Yeah,

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and anyway, these organizations met in secret with former Cristos.

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Oh not good to plot against the government. And we'll

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get into the Cosetto's a bit later on, but very briefly,

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because it could be its own topic. It certainly could,

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and it's in the list. It is well. They say

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that the tunnels, the tunnels in Waldaara were used a

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lot during the Cossetto War, I'm sure. In nineteen thirty seven,

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joss Antonio requested a meeting with other Legion division leaders

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and they met in May of that year. This was

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when they established the National Synarchise Union and the goal

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of the NSCU for short. I'm just gonna say NSCU

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for now, Okay, was twofold one to follow the guidelines

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of the and I don't know. I guess I'll just

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say it's Spanish, even though I guess secondly it's in

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Latin erum novarum. Oh, look, you casting spells, okay or not?

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I tried to say, I tried to remember a spell

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from Harry Saw. I could remember them until you said

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that that's the only one I remember. Anyway, This this

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thing was from Leo the thirteenth, okay. And so that's

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basically a guideline on the participation of Catholics and politics.

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I read more about it, but that was the easiest

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way for me to summarize it. But it's basically it

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was like a whole speech by Leo the thirteenth, basically

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saying you have to be Catholic every moment of every second,

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in every aspect of your life. And so then people

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took it to me, you have to be Catholic in

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your politics as well. At least these people took it

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to mean that. Yeah. And then the other goal of

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theirs was to fight against the secularization of the Mexican

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post revolutionary government, because this was a big thing post revolution.

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I mean, hence the Castao War. Yes, exactly, I did translate.

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I forgot I did that. Okay, So I did translate

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this Spellue said earlier. Yeah, I am hexting our listeners

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not oh no, not them. J I wouldn't do that

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to you. So anyway, it didn't make sense to me.

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And then I read some articles and that's how I

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understood that it was kind of like a guideline for politics. Okay, Catholics.

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But in case that makes sense to anyone, I'll just

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share my translation of it. So it said, quote, so

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that each one may know his obligation to God, what

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he must believe, what he must hope for, and what

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he must do for his eternal eternal salvation. And zealous

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care must be taken to strengthen them against the errors

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of certain opinions and against the various corruptions of vice.

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Let the workers be urged and incited to the worship

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of God, to a love of piety above all, let

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them be vigilant and fulfilling the obligation of holy days.

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Let them learn to love and revere the Church, the

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common mother of all and also to fulfill her precepts

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and frequent the sacraments, which are the divine instruments of

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purification and sanctification. That's what the thing is. All that

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came from those three Latin words. No, the redom nevedum

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is this it's like a speech. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah,

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I didn't mean he said it in Latin, but I

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understand now. I think that this is basically what the speech. Yeah, yeah,

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and those three words are the name of the speech.

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And if I understood correctly, like redum novadom is like

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a directive sort of, it's like a something like that. Okay, yeah, wow,

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my bad, I don't know where, know where you got

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that from? Yeah, And so they really believed in that.

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A month after founding the NSU, in June nineteenth, Juos

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Antonio and another leader of the group named Jose Troeba

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Olivarees drafted the Synarchist Manifesto, which says the following. Face

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with the distressing problem that agitate the entire nation, it

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is absolutely, absolutely necessary that there be an organization composed

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of true patriots, an organization that works for the restoration

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of the fundamental rights of each citizen. Whose highest goal

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is the salvation of the homeland. In contrast to the Utopians,

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who dream of a society without rulers and without laws,

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Synarchism wants a society governed by a legitimate authority emanating

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from the free, democratic activity of the people, which truly

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guarantees the social order within which everyone finds their happiness,

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but not in a selfish way, but ensuring that everyone

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achieves the good that each one desires for themselves. In

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the face of every human pain, in the face of

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every social evil, Synarchism proposes to study how to press

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it and work until this end is achieved. Nothing that

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has social significance will be indifferent to it. The common

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good will have to be its constant occupation, and its

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task will always be to work to achieve it. Synarchism

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is a way of being and living, a way of

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feeling and acting in the face of problems that affect

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the general interest. It is a spiritual generous attitude, is

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a spirit and will always ready to serve others. The

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synarchist asks for nothing for himself. He must always be

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ready to dedicate himself to any work that results in

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collective benefit, to lend the resources of his physical strength,

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his money, or his talent to provide any media and

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affect the remedy for any social evil. The good of

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all public happiness and the moral and economic salvation of

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the nation demand a price, the sacrifice and effort that

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each person must contribute according to their means. Oh my God,

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it goes on. Synarchism is a positive movement which unifies, builds,

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and aggrandizes, and therefore diametrically opposed to the doctrines that

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support postulates of hatred and devastation. Synarchism proclaims love for

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the homeland and will oppose with all its forces the

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systems that seek to erase the borders of peoples to

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turn the world into an immense feeverdom where the evil

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and perverse propagandaists who invented these theories easily rain. Synarchism

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will be the most ardent defender of justice, and will

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therefore persecute those who traffic in human misery. Synarchism cannot

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concede that there is happiness and progress where there is

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no freedom. It believes that this is the most sacred

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conquest of humanity, and will fight tirelessly until it prevails

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in our country. In this manifesto, The Synarchist Organizing Committee

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launches a call to all Mexicans who are willing to

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work for the aggrandizement of Mexico, to all those who

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getting rid of selfishness, want to lend their cooperate to

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organize any society on the basis of greater justice. The

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ills that afflct our country will not be remedied with lamentations,

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but with well directed activity. The Synarchist movement has set

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three luminous words as that's motto, Country, Justice and Freedom.

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So very long, yeah, very long. Like on paper, it

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doesn't sound terrible at first, but then I guess when

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they're like because I maybe I know, and I didn't

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know this for the longest time. I just knew the

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Pristino War was something that happened. But the big issue

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people had with religion in Mexico that led to the

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Consta War is that the churches were very greedy and

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they were like demanding money from people. And so without

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that context of that's how the religious organizations worked in

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Mexico at the time, this synergy sounds like a good thing, right,

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But if they're trying to keep the religious order in charge,

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then then it's not a good thing. It's not not

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and it's within the context of yeah yeah, yeah, and

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it's really posturing like nationalism, yes, which is always bad,

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and it's always tied to fascism as well, always yeah yeah. Okay.

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So back to the Ukiza family. Although the Uquisa family

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lost a lot of their land during the revolution, they

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were so wealthy landowners and as we know, landowners are

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not the kindest to their tenants, especially during this time,

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and so joss Antonio was described as quote not an exemplary,

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exemplary landlord okay, and he was known to mistreat his workers,

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which some say could have been a reason for his death. Oh.

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On April eleventh, nineteen thirty eight, Josse Antonio went to

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a paseo the Grande, a town in Guanaquato to settle

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a dispute he had with the farmer working in one

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of its properties, Isidro Para. The dispute ended with Thesidro,

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who was drunk, stabbing and killing jos Antonio in Sidro

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was sentenced to thirty years in prison for the murder

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of juss Atonio, but Hossantonio's family and fellow UNS members

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believe that then President Nasaro Cardenas directly ordered the death

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of Cossantonio since the Guisas opposed the land reform and

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Cardenas in general. Okay, yeah, and so the UNS made

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a martyr out of ross Antonio. And anyway, you might

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be wondering why any of this matters and what is

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so bad about the UNS and Cusstantonio and why you're

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talking about it. Yeah, like what you've been talking about.

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But the issue, or one of the issues, is that

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coss Antonio co founded a movement that pushed for the

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return to the traditions of Roman Catholicism, Spanish heritage, and

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a Christian social order. And the movement opposed communism. And

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this is not really an issue, but it was just

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a thing of theirs. But because they're a fascist organization, right,

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they opposed communism. But they also opposed what they called

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Protestant liberalism, and they also referred to it as the

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Yankee Protestant liberalism. Oh and so this was actually something

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I did agree with them on. They opposed Protestant liberalism

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because they felt it was too much tied to capitalism

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and that it valued capitalism over religion. And remember, these

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people have religion over anything, right, So that's why they

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didn't agree with that. And they strongly opposed the United

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States and the United States intervention, which that I can

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agree on as well. Same and they even opposed the

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US and racism against black people and Mexican migrants. And

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I was like, okay, wait, am I are playing? And

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they also denounced the Brassetta program because of the mistreatment

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and the low wages that the Brassettos were subjected to.

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But at the same time they support US, they supported

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fascist dictators like Franco Mussolini. I don't know, I said,

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Masoli Spanish and Hitler. Oh yeah, yeah, so you know

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that's where we draw line, rightfully. So wow, okay, so

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some points and some not good points, right right right.

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And one of the founders of the movement of the

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Synarchists Union or whatever was a German professor of languages

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Into named Helmuth Oscar Schleider, and he was an actual

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member of the Nazi Party and I and the NSU

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was also a revival of the Guiseto movement. M yeah,

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so we haven't I think we've mentioned it here and there. Yeah,

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and we have yet to dedicate an episode to it.

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But briefly. The Crissetto War is also known as the

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Crisetto Rebellion or La Cristiana. It took place from August third,

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nineteen twenty six to June twenty first, nineteen twenty nine,

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as a response to the secular articles of the nineteen

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seventeen Constitution, and more specifically, as a response to the

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gay Is Law, which sought to limit the power of

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the Catholic Church in Mexico. And the violence originated. Do

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you know where it was in it Guadalajara? Yeah, yeah,

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it originated in Guadalajara where about four hundred Catholics shut

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themselves in the Santuario Thenstrasenoa Gualupe or the Church of

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Our Lady of Wallupe, and they exchanged gunfire with federal troops.

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And it was a very like conflicting thing because many

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people didn't know like the deep or for many people,

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it was literally just about religion and like Catholics, they're

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going to Catholic heart, especially in Mexico, and many people

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conflated that with the purpose of the law, which was

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again to limit the power because like one group having

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a power like that is not a good thing. But

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to many people. I was like, oh, we can't be Catholic.

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They're attacking the Catholics. And so that's why a lot

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of people supported the war, not because they wanted to

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remain like oh, to be the church by the Catholic Church, yes,

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but because they were Catholic right right. Overall, about ninety

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thousand people died from the war, and even after the

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war was over, Cristeto's continued to act out violently towards

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the government, government officials, and public school teachers, who they

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saw as evil because they were implementing secular education. Cristeto's

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would commonly cut off the ears of teachers. Oh my god. Yeah,

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I didn't know that. Yeah, And this was so it

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was like such a common practice by the Crissettos that

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it be known as maestoto sisters. Oh my god, so

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like uneered teachers. Like yeah, so like teachers without ears,

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but like you know in Spanish, like there's different rules, Yeah,

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like uneered teachers. That's why I said, yeah. Yeah. It

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estimated that about three hundred teachers in rural areas were

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killed by Cristetos between nineteen thirty five and nineteen thirty nine,

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always the rural areas and you know who lives in

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the rural communities, the indigenous people. Yeah. Of course, many

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Catholics were also killed, even some who didn't take up arms,

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and a group of twenty five martyrs were later canonized

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in May two thousand by Pope John Paul the Second.

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And there's a lot more that can be said about

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this again, but that's all. It can be its own topic. Yeah. Yeah.

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Although the founders of the NSU were wealthy, most of

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its members were Campecinos and working class. Yeah. Of course,

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of course, because we're always finding the rich math war. Yeah,

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even a lot of the victims of the Cristiino War

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were not, like, you know, the elite. Yeah, And that's

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why I'm saying it was like the people, the people

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that were Catholic and the people who wanted, you know,

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whatever it was. It's always the people and who's on

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top with their little fucking puppet, these little bitches with money. Yeah.

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Most NSCU members were from El Centrol, Occidente, So Central West, Halisco, Guano,

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Creo and mitrocam and it's heyday. Around nineteen forty to

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nineteen forty three, there were about six one hundred thousand members.

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Some compare these skistas to international church sponsored fascism like

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what happened in Spain. But it should be noted that

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the Mexican Catholic Church denounced the Legion. They did not

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agree with the legion and they were like acting acting

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on their own yeah, on their owner court. So they

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denounced the legion and you know, later became the NSU,

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and they opposed The Mexican Catholic Church opposed further mobilization

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against the state after the Carecido War. They didn't want

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to see the more violence in the name of the

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church basically. Yeah. Also, the rise of these Catholic militants

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had more to do specifically with the with discontent with

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the secularization being pushed by the revolutionary government. How the

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Cacido War ended and land reformed specific to Mexico, while

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in other areas like Spain, right wing Catholics or responding

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to post war economies and accumulations from losing the wars

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that they were involved in. Right, So it was just

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a different situation cific situation Mexico ya. And although there

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were differences between traditional fascists and the NSU, the NSU

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was never beating the fascist allocations because in many ways

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they were the same. For example, the Snearkistans had their

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own obligatory arms salute, with which yeah, whenever you have

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your own special salute, it's a little yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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We had a little fascists. Yeah yeah, And they opened

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and closed their meetings with the little arm salute that

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kind of did look like a Nazi salute. I saw

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a little diagram demonstrating how they did it, and I

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was like, it's very it's giving Nazi damn. Yeah. The

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Scenekistas also often stage militaristic processions and believed in strict

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general roles. But it was all it was performative, and

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I forgot what I was listening to where they talked

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about like fascism, Like a huge aspect of fascism is

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the theatric aspect of it, the performance of it. I mean,

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hence the little parade. Yes, yeah, and so yeah, they

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they did the same, and they believed in strict general roles,

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and this could be seen in their code of conduct,

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in which they admonished women quote, not to betray your

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wonderful destiny as a woman by devoting yourself to manly labors.

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Their place is not in combat, but it foster you

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to push and comit meant to fight even if you

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see that it is dangerous. And even though they believed

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in strict gender roles and that the women's domain was

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in their homes and children, many women who joined the

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NSU felt like it brought them more into the public domain.

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It was very interesting to read about how so what

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does that mean? So before being part of the NSU,

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they felt like they were just in their homes all

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the time and were not participating in public life. Oh,

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I could see that any organization would do that. Yeah,

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fascions or not. Yeah, like you didn't have to join

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that ns you know, you could have joined something else.

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Although they couldn't participate in the meetings, they prepped food

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for the meetings, hosted the meetings in their homes. They

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gave them purpose. Yeah, they taught in catechism, they led festivals.

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the NSU for their later participation in larger political movements

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like universal suffrage or the women's rights women's right to vote.

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So I could see that. Yeah, like some good came

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out of it. Yeah, women learned and practiced activism. Yes, yeah,

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sure it was a little fascist, but they later went

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to support other causes not fascist, things like women's right

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to vote. Although so women gained the right to vote

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and they vote for and that then they vote against

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their interest Exhibit A the United States. Besides staging protests

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and militaristic rallies, the Snakistas met weekly through their local

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branches since they were organized regionally, and at these weekly

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meetings they planned their protests, rallies, and propaganda. They even

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organized their propaganda by committees. And these different committees were orientation, Combat, conquest,

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and direction. That's very organized. And you know what, that's

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one thing about fascism and the right. They are so organized.

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They're so organized, and they've been doing what they do,

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what they have been doing for so long that they know.

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And that's what the left we have. Yeah, because we

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all have different mental disorders, we can't get organized. Yeah. Anyway,

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sal was the main ideologue behind the NSU's beliefs, and

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he was unfortunately a fan of the Nazis okay and

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a fan of fascism in general. Okay, guess what he

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loved about them their organization. Oh gone, I has been like,

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they're so organized. Well I meant it derogatory, right right

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parentheses derogatory. But yeah, he loved their organizational and hierarchical structure.

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They are fascism, author authoritarianism, nationalism, inflexible ideology and discipline.

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Don't think he didn't like because that's some fascist governments

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participated in the persecution of Christians after World War Two

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as the Cold War rage, the scene Acquisas spread propaganda

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accusing the Mexican government of colluding with Russians and wanting

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to be the next Kremlin, and they spread a baseless

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conspiracies about it because they were so nationalists, they were

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also against the US, and again that makes sense to me. Gosh, sorry,

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this is such a conflict of interest going on here.

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It's so strange, it's so funny. It's so funny that

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you say that, because I have an example of a

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pamphlet type of thing they made that makes no sense.

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One pamphlet the Scenearquistas made to show that they were

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pushing back against tyranny, depicted a Senerakista hand and like

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so like the Sista uniform because they had their own uniform, okay,

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and it was a hand stopping the Soviet Union. So

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it's like the like a stop sign like this right,

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stopping this union the US and Germany. But they were

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conflating fascism with communism, like it didn't make sense. And

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also they were grouping them together. Yeah, and Spain was

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engaging in fascism as well, but they had no problem

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with Spanish fascism. Yeah. That that is so strange. Yeah.

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And so eventually the scene Kista's reputation became damaged because

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they supported the access in World War two gone, and

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after the scene Akista movement died down mostly due to

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internal power struggles, which some say always happens with fascism,

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like it never lasts. But I mean, did we want

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to last twenty years like Inlace we wait longer? Yeah? Yeah.

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So yeah, they they died down mostly due to internal

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power struggles. And from what I read, if I understood correctly,

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many scene Acquistas joined the ranks of FUN Okay, that's

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not surprise. Yeah. And this is the Partido yeah, the

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national nationalists, yeah, the more right wing. Yeah. Historian Jean

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Meyer described GisMo as a cult of the military, the

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Mexican flag, religion, the imperial and Hispanic past, and a

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cult of fallen militants for the fatherland of hatred for

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the US. Of irridentism. I'm going to define that later.

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I'm going to define it after the quote ends. Okay,

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of irridentism, evoking an epoch in which from Florida to

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Oregon all was Spanish and irid. Can you say irridentism

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means a policy of advocating the restoration to a country

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of any territory formerly belonging to it. Okay, wanting to

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restore Mexico as Spain and that is as a colony

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of Spain. Yeah, not good, not good, not good. So

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that was just a service level overview of the scene cisnas.

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I will have those sources below and there's like one

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hundred page article or like research study that I use.

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So that's what I'm saying, Like, this is a really

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you know, surface level or review of the scenexista. But

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I wanted to talk a little bit about why this

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is on my mind? Okay, that was my question, like what, like,

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how did yeah, how did this happen? I was listening

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to the Fifteen Minutes of Fascism podcasts. At the end

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of every episode, the host celebrates the death of a

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fascist that died that day or that week that the

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episode is released. So that's how I learned of Antonia.

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And then I was like, let me look him up

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to see what's up with him. And then I from

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looking him up, I learned about the NSU, and that

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piqued my interest because I worked on these notes a

442
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:50.160
while ago, and it was around the time that Pope

443
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:53.799
Francis rip died and the Conclave was set to start,

444
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:58.640
So I was very obsessed with yes then. And there

445
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:02.799
was a lot of discourse around then about cultural or

446
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:07.160
creatle Catholics versus converts, you know, because Jdie Bands famously

447
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:12.640
is a convert. He famously killed the Pope Paul Francis. Yeah,

448
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:18.119
allegedly famously, right, and so yeah, there was like a

449
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:20.839
little a lot of discourse about that, and Catholicism was

450
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:27.000
on my noggin. It was, and more importantly though, fascism

451
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.599
and Christian nationalism have been on my mind for years.

452
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:33.400
That is true. That is true, and now things to

453
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:35.920
you also in my mind, and it should be on

454
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:39.200
all of our minds because the two are intertwined. Like

455
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:42.519
a pretzel. Yeah yeah, but not a good pretzel, a

456
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:46.119
bad pretzel, very bad quality, the lowest quality of pretzel

457
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:51.599
you can probably ever get in prettel, Yeah, dumb. Christian

458
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.920
nationalism is comparable to synarchism and to the goals of

459
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:58.799
the NSU, because Christian nationalism is an ideology based on

460
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:02.680
the idea that the US is a Christian nation and

461
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:05.119
was founded as a Christian nation, and thus should be

462
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:08.680
a Christian nation today in the future, meaning no separation

463
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.599
of state and church, and believing that the state should

464
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.640
actually be taking direction from the Church and that law

465
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.400
should be based on Christian values. Of course, we know,

466
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:23.000
you know, any reasonable person that learned history the regular way,

467
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.839
he knows that the United States was not founded as

468
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:31.720
a Christian nation and that the founding fathers actually were veryous, yes,

469
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:36.519
and the very least secular right and intentionally wrote about

470
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:39.680
the separation of church and state. And then these Christian

471
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:42.480
nationalism are twisting it in they're little twisted heads. And

472
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:44.960
again this is not for regular Christians. Okay, so don't

473
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:50.240
get you know, don't get angry. These are extremists. Extremism

474
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:55.839
has become normalized. Yeah, so it's a growing faction of

475
00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:01.720
Christianity and they think that or argue that this separation

476
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:06.359
of church and state was actually a separation of not

477
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.640
from the stay from the church, but basically trying to

478
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:12.000
say that the church was meant to leave. I don't

479
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.960
know how they twisted that way, but that's what they argue.

480
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:18.920
That doesn't make any sense, but yeah, okay. So many

481
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:22.359
people in groups that subscribe to Christian nationalism believe in

482
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:27.160
spiritual warfare osaaki. Christians are called to fight a cosmic

483
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.440
battle between good and evil and that it is their

484
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:31.759
duty to be soldiers for God. And these people were

485
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:36.279
actually some of the earliest Trump supporters. M Yeah. One

486
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:40.200
specific group that believes in this is the New Apolistic

487
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:43.799
Reformation Christians, and hundreds of them were at the Capitol

488
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:49.480
on January sixth. Hundreds. Yeah, I didn't know that. On

489
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:53.960
January sixth, the rioters recited a prayer after breaking into

490
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:58.240
Senate chambers and it went like this quote, Jesus Christ,

491
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.400
we invoke your name. Thank you, Heavenly Father for having

492
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.799
the inspiration to allow us to send a message to

493
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:08.319
all of the tyrants, the communists, and the globalists that

494
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:10.720
this is our nation, not theirs, that we will not

495
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:14.039
allow America, the American way, the US to go down.

496
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.880
We love you, and we thank you. In Christ's Holy name,

497
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:21.119
we pray. So you cannot separate the moment that we're

498
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:28.240
in or January sixth, from Christian nationalism. This group, as

499
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:32.240
many evangelical churches, have partnered with the likes of Charlie

500
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.720
Kirk and if you don't know that name, God bless you.

501
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:38.440
Oh yeah, but he's basically a white supremacist. But if

502
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:39.680
you tell him that to his space, he's like, what

503
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.119
do you mean, what do you mean define white supremacists?

504
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.839
And what is white? What is a woman? Right? Right?

505
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.880
Dumb ass shit like that. So he's basically a white

506
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.680
supremacist who likes to argue with twenty year old college students,

507
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:57.720
and he runs Turning Point USA, which is a Christian

508
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:01.359
nationalist organization. If you don't know what that is, blessed again,

509
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:05.799
God bless you. And a lot can be said about this,

510
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.280
and a lot has been said about this. So I

511
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.599
think we can get into some recommendations about this, maybe

512
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:14.800
at the end, some which we've already talked about. I think,

513
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.960
but this is the ideology behind American Exceptionalism Project twenty

514
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:24.679
twenty five, which we are currently being subjected to. We're

515
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:29.039
being put through the trenches of we're in the trenches. Yeah.

516
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.960
Project twenty twenty five is stepping down our necks. Yeah,

517
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:37.880
the dismantling of Roe v. Wade, the restriction of gender

518
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:41.000
affirming care, and a lot more, and we can go

519
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:44.000
all the way back. This is the ideology behind slavery

520
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:52.039
and colonization as well. Yeah. And in more recent US

521
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:56.079
it's become a parent that advance Bolter, the suspect in

522
00:34:56.159 --> 00:35:00.880
the assassination of the Minnesota state representative. If Melissa Hortman

523
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.960
and her husband has ties to the New Apostolic Reformation

524
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:11.079
and the christ for Nations Institute a Christian college or school,

525
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:12.800
I don't even know which one. I don't know if

526
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:14.719
it's college. I know it's a Christian school though. And

527
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:18.440
he was even a missionary in the Democratic Republican Republic

528
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:23.119
of the Congo. Oh no, yeah, not a missionary wow.

529
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.320
And one of the private security companies in which he

530
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:28.880
listed himself as a CEO and the president of which

531
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:30.719
who knows if that's even true, but you know that's

532
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.159
what he listed it on his LinkedIn. One of these

533
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.320
was based in the Congo. In his sermons which he

534
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:41.320
delivered in the Congo one as recent as February twenty

535
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.760
twenty three, and it seems like he was there from

536
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:46.320
twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three if I remember right.

537
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:49.920
But anyway, he can be heard saying that people don't

538
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.320
know what sex they are because the devil has gone

539
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.840
so far into their mind and their soul, and they

540
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:57.960
don't know abortion is wrong. This is like a quote

541
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.000
from him. Many churches, they don't have the gifts flowing.

542
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:05.000
God gives the body gifts to keep balance because when

543
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.039
the body starts moving in the wrong direction, when they're

544
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:11.599
won and accepting the gifts, God will raise an apostle

545
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.519
or prophet to correct their course. God is going to

546
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:17.679
raise up apostles and prophets in America to correct his church.

547
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:19.880
And I'm like, why are you talking about America and

548
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:23.360
the Congo bitch who again to give a buck? Like what?

549
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:27.440
But it's nonsense. Also, then none of that made anything.

550
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:31.079
It doesn't make sense. And then in a biography listed

551
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:34.440
in the Suspects now defunct nonprofit website, so he had

552
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.280
a non profit at one point, he says he spent

553
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.440
time in Jerusalem, Gaza and the West Bank, where he

554
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:44.079
sought out quote militant Islamists in order to share the

555
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:48.039
gospel and tell them that violence wasn't the answer. Violence

556
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.239
is not the answer. No, tell that to him. He

557
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:55.840
just killed someone. Yeah, he is out there, and he

558
00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:02.960
had a list of seventy mostly democratic government officials, including

559
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:06.239
his walls, a Christian man, and he was so against

560
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:09.119
abortion and most of the people on his list were

561
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:12.079
pro abortion or pro choice. Sorry, I forgot people don't

562
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:19.760
like probortion pro choice. So this man and his beliefs,

563
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:25.480
these beliefs that seem that are extremists. They are the

564
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:31.880
embodiment of Christian nationalism, which is a growing movement and

565
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:35.280
it's taking over the government. They are the ones who

566
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:39.039
propped up Trump in the first place. They are the

567
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.119
writers of Project twenty twenty five, and they are the

568
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.960
arbiters of ruining our lives. Yeah, and we must fight

569
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:49.159
them anyway. And that's what inspired this whole episode I

570
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:53.440
see now. So yeah, I mean if you didn't know

571
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:56.920
before about Christian nationalism and that it's the downfall of

572
00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:01.079
the United States, now you know whether. Yeah, and again

573
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.639
this is not your regular you know Christian out there

574
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:08.719
who goes to church and minds their business. These are

575
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:12.719
the people that want to push we've already said it,

576
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:16.559
and they basically they want Christianity to be the government

577
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.840
and to roll over everybody, even those who are not Christians,

578
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:23.880
because it's their way or the highway according to them. Right,

579
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:27.000
And if you want to learn more about this, I

580
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.960
guess we could get into some recommendations now. Okay, well

581
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:37.239
let's start with our fave Jesus and John Wayne Jans. Yeah,

582
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.599
that book is amazing. I don't think we need to

583
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:42.079
talk about it too much because we have talked about

584
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.519
it already a bit. Yeah, but that is a great

585
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:50.960
book to learn more about this movement. And one of

586
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:55.760
the sources I used is also uh good, let me,

587
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:58.239
I forgot the name already. Is that The Straight White Jesus? Oh,

588
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.159
there you go, that's the one. Yeah. Podcast Fundy Fridays

589
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:05.679
on YouTube? Yes, in Bed with the Right, Yes, the

590
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:09.920
New Evangelicals. I watched them on YouTube, but they're basically

591
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:12.920
a podcast. Also, I'm sure they're on all this podcast

592
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:15.119
treating things. But I like to watch her on YouTube

593
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:21.280
because those show clips and stuff. Right. Some more books

594
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.519
A Well Trained Wife by Tia Lovings and I talked

595
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:27.159
about this last time, didn't I Because that's the one

596
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.360
I read was that one was that one was so good.

597
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.760
And in her book she mentions more towards the end

598
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:35.679
of once she gets to like her life now that

599
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:40.960
she has left this cult. Basically, she talked about like

600
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:43.280
at first she didn't want to speak up against Trump,

601
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.559
but she realized, like they're the people who are propping

602
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.920
up Trump and you know, Christian nationalism. She's like, they're

603
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.360
trying to make my life and what I went through

604
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.639
normal and the norm for everybody. And man, did she

605
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:59.960
go through it? She really did. But in this world

606
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:05.000
view of Christian nationalism, like patriarchy is the norm, but

607
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:10.519
like an extreme patriarchy, not even like your normal everyday patriarchy. No,

608
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:15.800
like an oppressive, abusive I must submit. And for the

609
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:21.480
extremists within this extremist movement, even a husband is allowed

610
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:25.239
to discipline his wife. She experiences that. She goes through that.

611
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:29.599
So I mean that's what we're looking at. Yeah, that's

612
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:33.239
what they want. Yeah, the kingdom, the power, and the glory.

613
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:36.960
American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism by Tim Alberta.

614
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:41.079
That's another good one. The House of My Mother by

615
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:44.159
Shay Frankie. She doesn't outright talk about Christian nationalism, but

616
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:49.679
it's another aspect of it. Yeah, because this movement has

617
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:53.280
also ties with that, like beat your children, not to

618
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:55.519
discipline them, but not even like a normal spinking like

619
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:59.199
literally beating them, right, abusing them and torturing them in

620
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:02.280
order to cast their demons and like and a lot

621
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:09.000
of they're they're pushing to get like Catholics and Mormons

622
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:13.519
and other religions, other Christian religions under this movement as well.

623
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.880
It's not like just Christian nationalism, right right, And so yeah,

624
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:18.559
that's why I think I would add that book in

625
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:24.199
there and Sherry, but she talks about Yeah, this it's

626
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:29.440
the same principles of believing that children are yours to

627
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:34.320
beat up basically to control. It's the same beliefs, and yeah,

628
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.639
it's not it's not just women that they are exerting

629
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.559
this extreme control over its children as well, and it

630
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:47.639
breeds a system of abuse, child abuse, sexual abuse. Yeah,

631
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:49.880
I think those are the most recent ones I'm in.

632
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.119
I think so, Yeah, I guess that brings us to

633
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:56.440
the end. Unless there's something else you want to add. No,

634
00:41:56.599 --> 00:41:58.159
I don't think so, because you know, I've been sharing

635
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:03.079
my thoughts throughout. I did want to add we have

636
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:05.639
yapped about it a ton, and we've mentioned in previous

637
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:11.599
episodes about our wish that ice and not exist and

638
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:15.599
you know border patrol and like no borders, and right,

639
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:17.840
I think that's clear. I don't know it's very clear,

640
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:20.719
but I think we can repeat it. And yeah, no,

641
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:23.920
I specifically wanted to mention it again in light of

642
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:29.400
the recent developments right all of the US, but mostly

643
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:31.440
to say, like, I know, not everyone can go out

644
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:34.280
in protests, and if you cannot do that, there's other

645
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.119
ways to help, either by being in community, so like

646
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:41.679
looking for mutual aid. We're sharing always to our stories

647
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:45.119
a bunch of different ones, or you know, printing out

648
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.800
those know your Right cards and passing them out if

649
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:50.760
you have like a business, if you're a business owner,

650
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:52.719
you can put a little poster up there that says

651
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:57.079
like everyone's welcome xp ICE. And there's also there's a

652
00:42:57.079 --> 00:42:59.960
bunch of organizations that help for immigrant rights, like you know,

653
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.000
we've mentioned one that we have donated to Alo Tornado.

654
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:06.159
That's a good one, but there's a bunch, there's a bunch,

655
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.519
and so sharing if all of these things are not helping,

656
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:11.599
the most important thing to me is not even like

657
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:16.079
protesting or especially especially not like I understand people are angry,

658
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:18.239
but like calling out influence. First, I don't know who

659
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.639
these influencers are that are always like, what about these

660
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:24.719
Latino influencers. I'm sorry, I don't know any Latino influencerss.

661
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:28.360
But I keep coming across videos of people like and

662
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.960
all the Latino influencers that are silent, and it's like, yeah,

663
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:33.039
that's not right either this point. If there's silent, there

664
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:35.119
going to be silent. I think that if you have

665
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:40.320
people in your life that are espousing these beliefs as well,

666
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:45.239
are anti immigrant or only the quote correct way, talk

667
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:47.800
to them. You know, that's where talk to your parents,

668
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:50.039
talk to your friends, to your family, because that's where

669
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:54.199
you have the influence. Yeah. Like, like we've shared many times,

670
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:56.960
you know, especially during BLM, like our mom would be like, well,

671
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:58.559
they don't have to destroy things, and then we'd be

672
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:02.039
like what they do? I'd be like ah, but like

673
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:04.960
you know, you know your family, you know how you

674
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.880
can reach them. Like for us, it's never been getting

675
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.480
into arguing matches as much as like some family members

676
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:15.000
who want to start arguing matches. You're only explaining, you know, facts,

677
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:19.400
right or something within those or an open dialogue and

678
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:20.920
being like, hey, like we can't talk about this, but

679
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:22.599
if you're going to be like, you know, crazy, then

680
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:24.039
I'm not going to talk about it with you, Like

681
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.440
things like that, Like these conversations can be had and

682
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.760
should be had. And again, you're not going to exert,

683
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:32.119
you know, influence over these influencers that don't give a fuck.

684
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.000
If they haven't done anything at this point, they're not

685
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.960
going to say anything. They don't care. Look to your community,

686
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.679
your people, and you know what, support those who have

687
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:44.679
always spoken out about this. So share this episode. Some

688
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:48.159
of us here speaking now, some of us have always

689
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:52.320
said these things. How about you share our episode. And

690
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:54.880
it's not just kidding. At the end of the day,

691
00:44:55.119 --> 00:45:00.000
what are these call outs doing besides getting you attention, right,

692
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.320
and that's not talk about the issues? Like who cares

693
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:08.519
about these people? Ignore them? They the more attention they get,

694
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:11.280
even if it's a boat attention, people clicking on their videos, whatever,

695
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:13.440
they're going to get more views, more money. Like, just

696
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:18.199
ignore them and talk about the issues yourself, bring awareness

697
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:20.760
yourself instead of bringing awareness to these people that aren't

698
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.719
speaking up about it and prop up those people that

699
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.000
are speaking up about it. Yeah, and also in these

700
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.639
times and always. But it's so important to know your history.

701
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:31.639
And I'm not saying that to get you to share

702
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:35.599
our episode again, but like the five episodes series we

703
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.639
just did. Yeah, Like if we all knew that, maybe

704
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:41.719
maybe our cousins, not cousins like I'm just in general,

705
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.880
our collective cousins, Maybe our collective cousins will stop joining

706
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:49.960
ICE and we're stop joining border patrol. And I, as

707
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.360
a veteran, include the military with that, right, So maybe

708
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:54.920
we can stop joining those things. And I understand there's

709
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:57.320
a lot of things that go into that decition. Like

710
00:45:57.400 --> 00:45:59.599
for me, as much as I don't like the military,

711
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.039
I would do it again so my mom would get

712
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:03.400
a green card. And it's like, well, why why do

713
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:05.880
we have to join so that our parents get It's

714
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:07.719
all on purpose, right, But that's not the point. The

715
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:11.599
point is talk to them about our history. Teach your

716
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:14.480
kids our history, and don't waste your time with these

717
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:19.039
random callouts. Instead, talk to your your community, your circle.

718
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.920
That's if you have someone with that Like, maybe unintentionally

719
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:26.239
or intentionally is propagating these and we all do, I

720
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.440
know we all do. No we all do we No

721
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.400
one is in a perfect little numble, you know what

722
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:34.719
I mean? Yeah, so, yeah, I just wanted to say that. Yeah,

723
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:36.800
and there have been I know, we haven't done a

724
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:40.280
booklet update or what is it a booklet bullshit segment? Yeah,

725
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:44.480
in a while, there have been developments. I haven't had

726
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:47.480
time to write one up because yeah, again, there have

727
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:52.440
been developments, and there's so much point on. Yeah, yeah

728
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:56.159
they're not good though, these developments. They never are, so no, no,

729
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:01.079
but yeah, other than that, thanks Carton and for sharing

730
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:03.039
that piece of history of Mexico that I didn't know,

731
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:05.480
but tying it into today because I love when that

732
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.119
is a thing as depression at as it is, it

733
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:11.760
is helpful. Yeah, and yeah, other than that, we hope

734
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:16.320
that this was one less Historia Unknown for you. Bye bye.

735
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:22.239
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736
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:25.559
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737
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