The National Synarchist Union

0:09 Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is Estodia's Unknown, a podcast about Latin American history. Sometimes it's horrible and deals with tivy topics like racism, corruption, and genocide. But more than that, it's also by resistance, power and community. And today I'm finally not talking krmen. What are what are you talking about today? What are you sharing? Oh? Yeah, it's been a it's been a minute there for you. Yes, it's been me. It was my fault. No worries, no worries, it was I don't want to say a good time because you know it was tough to hear, but it was a time. It was a time, aid. Oh yeah, oh you beat me to it. Okay, well, Christina, today we're talking about fascism. Okay, very on team. It's always on team in the US. But sadly, yeah, today we're talking about a fascist organization from Mexico, the National Synarchist Union. Oh, Mexican fascism. Yeah. The National Synracist Union is also commonly referred to as ls signor gistans. And before we get into it, let's define synarchy or synarchism. Have you heard this term? No, synarchism means joint rule or harmonious rule, meaning a form of government where political power rests with a secret elite aka a shadow government or a deep state.

1:41 Oh that doesn't sound good. Yeah, a real deep state, a real deep state. Synarchy is not always religious, but in Mexico it was okay, And I mean, of course this goes without saying, but a government ruled by a shadow government or a secret lead is not good, right, right? Right? Wouldn't you say you agree? So you agree? Would agree? Yes? The National Sernacist Union was co founded by Josse Antonio Gisa, who is now described as a fascist, although in life he was supposedly a political and was interested more in religion.

2:21 I'd argue that an interest in religion is almost always going to be conservative. Sometimes none, yeah, not always, not always. I take it back, I take it back. Not always. Hashtag not all Christians, but for Jsse Antonio. Josse Antonio or Giza, was a hardcore Catholic, but like extremists, extremists as yets okay. He was born April tenth, nineteen oh four, in Queretaro to a wealthy land owning family, but the family would go on to lose a lot of their land during the Mexican Revolution. I was going to ask what time places all this, but you're about to say, yeah, yeah, yeah, and so that happening. You know. His family losing their land during the revolution, no doubt influenced his ideology, even though he denied it was political. Okay, couldn't have radicalized him, but in a bad way. Yeah, the other way. Before Kofani the Synarchist Union, Juos Antonio was part of a secret Catholic society, an organization called the Base or the Legion, based out of Gua Oh no bad, Oh well, well, I kinda even to this day is known as a more Well, it's funny because it's known as probably the second gayest city of Mexico besides Mexico. But Calisco itself

3:53 is very conservative and known to fall for right wing propaganda. I don't know if that's the right way to say it or not, but prone prone to be a more right wing I guess, yeah, and Catholic okay, but in a bad way, you know, but in a bad way. Yeah, But anyway. They were based out of Guadracarta and he was the leader of the Guana Quato division of the Legion. And I tried to find more info on this organization but couldn't really find anything. It's a secret, right of course. I did find a PDF that talked about the National League for the Defense of Religious Liberty or the League for short, and it was founded in nineteen twenty five and had a faction in guader Raacara. So then as I read about it and read on, it seemed like the League was a predecessor to the Legion, and the League actually split because a small group of Jesuits opposed using violence as a tactic and then just would Yeah, and anyway, these organizations met in secret with former Cristos.

5:00 Oh not good to plot against the government. And we'll get into the Cosetto's a bit later on, but very briefly, because it could be its own topic. It certainly could, and it's in the list. It is well. They say that the tunnels, the tunnels in Waldaara were used a lot during the Cossetto War, I'm sure. In nineteen thirty seven, joss Antonio requested a meeting with other Legion division leaders and they met in May of that year. This was when they established the National Synarchise Union and the goal of the NSCU for short. I'm just gonna say NSCU for now, Okay, was twofold one to follow the guidelines of the and I don't know. I guess I'll just say it's Spanish, even though I guess secondly it's in Latin erum novarum. Oh, look, you casting spells, okay or not?

5:59 I tried to say, I tried to remember a spell from Harry Saw. I could remember them until you said that that's the only one I remember. Anyway, This this thing was from Leo the thirteenth, okay. And so that's basically a guideline on the participation of Catholics and politics. I read more about it, but that was the easiest way for me to summarize it. But it's basically it was like a whole speech by Leo the thirteenth, basically saying you have to be Catholic every moment of every second, in every aspect of your life. And so then people took it to me, you have to be Catholic in your politics as well. At least these people took it to mean that. Yeah. And then the other goal of theirs was to fight against the secularization of the Mexican post revolutionary government, because this was a big thing post revolution.

6:55 I mean, hence the Castao War. Yes, exactly, I did translate. I forgot I did that. Okay, So I did translate this Spellue said earlier. Yeah, I am hexting our listeners not oh no, not them. J I wouldn't do that to you. So anyway, it didn't make sense to me. And then I read some articles and that's how I understood that it was kind of like a guideline for politics. Okay, Catholics. But in case that makes sense to anyone, I'll just share my translation of it. So it said, quote, so that each one may know his obligation to God, what he must believe, what he must hope for, and what he must do for his eternal eternal salvation. And zealous care must be taken to strengthen them against the errors of certain opinions and against the various corruptions of vice.

7:51 Let the workers be urged and incited to the worship of God, to a love of piety above all, let them be vigilant and fulfilling the obligation of holy days. Let them learn to love and revere the Church, the common mother of all and also to fulfill her precepts and frequent the sacraments, which are the divine instruments of purification and sanctification. That's what the thing is. All that came from those three Latin words. No, the redom nevedum is this it's like a speech. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I didn't mean he said it in Latin, but I understand now. I think that this is basically what the speech. Yeah, yeah, and those three words are the name of the speech.

8:37 And if I understood correctly, like redum novadom is like a directive sort of, it's like a something like that. Okay, yeah, wow, my bad, I don't know where, know where you got that from? Yeah, And so they really believed in that. A month after founding the NSU, in June nineteenth, Juos Antonio and another leader of the group named Jose Troeba Olivarees drafted the Synarchist Manifesto, which says the following. Face with the distressing problem that agitate the entire nation, it is absolutely, absolutely necessary that there be an organization composed of true patriots, an organization that works for the restoration of the fundamental rights of each citizen. Whose highest goal is the salvation of the homeland. In contrast to the Utopians, who dream of a society without rulers and without laws, Synarchism wants a society governed by a legitimate authority emanating from the free, democratic activity of the people, which truly guarantees the social order within which everyone finds their happiness, but not in a selfish way, but ensuring that everyone achieves the good that each one desires for themselves. In the face of every human pain, in the face of every social evil, Synarchism proposes to study how to press it and work until this end is achieved. Nothing that has social significance will be indifferent to it. The common

10:08 good will have to be its constant occupation, and its task will always be to work to achieve it. Synarchism is a way of being and living, a way of feeling and acting in the face of problems that affect the general interest. It is a spiritual generous attitude, is a spirit and will always ready to serve others. The synarchist asks for nothing for himself. He must always be ready to dedicate himself to any work that results in collective benefit, to lend the resources of his physical strength, his money, or his talent to provide any media and affect the remedy for any social evil. The good of all public happiness and the moral and economic salvation of the nation demand a price, the sacrifice and effort that each person must contribute according to their means. Oh my God, it goes on. Synarchism is a positive movement which unifies, builds, and aggrandizes, and therefore diametrically opposed to the doctrines that support postulates of hatred and devastation. Synarchism proclaims love for the homeland and will oppose with all its forces the systems that seek to erase the borders of peoples to turn the world into an immense feeverdom where the evil and perverse propagandaists who invented these theories easily rain. Synarchism will be the most ardent defender of justice, and will therefore persecute those who traffic in human misery. Synarchism cannot concede that there is happiness and progress where there is

11:40 no freedom. It believes that this is the most sacred conquest of humanity, and will fight tirelessly until it prevails in our country. In this manifesto, The Synarchist Organizing Committee launches a call to all Mexicans who are willing to work for the aggrandizement of Mexico, to all those who getting rid of selfishness, want to lend their cooperate to organize any society on the basis of greater justice. The ills that afflct our country will not be remedied with lamentations, but with well directed activity. The Synarchist movement has set three luminous words as that's motto, Country, Justice and Freedom. So very long, yeah, very long. Like on paper, it doesn't sound terrible at first, but then I guess when they're like because I maybe I know, and I didn't know this for the longest time. I just knew the Pristino War was something that happened. But the big issue people had with religion in Mexico that led to the Consta War is that the churches were very greedy and they were like demanding money from people. And so without that context of that's how the religious organizations worked in Mexico at the time, this synergy sounds like a good thing, right, But if they're trying to keep the religious order in charge, then then it's not a good thing. It's not not and it's within the context of yeah yeah, yeah, and it's really posturing like nationalism, yes, which is always bad, and it's always tied to fascism as well, always yeah yeah. Okay.

13:15 So back to the Ukiza family. Although the Uquisa family lost a lot of their land during the revolution, they were so wealthy landowners and as we know, landowners are not the kindest to their tenants, especially during this time, and so joss Antonio was described as quote not an exemplary, exemplary landlord okay, and he was known to mistreat his workers, which some say could have been a reason for his death. Oh. On April eleventh, nineteen thirty eight, Josse Antonio went to a paseo the Grande, a town in Guanaquato to settle a dispute he had with the farmer working in one of its properties, Isidro Para. The dispute ended with Thesidro, who was drunk, stabbing and killing jos Antonio in Sidro was sentenced to thirty years in prison for the murder of juss Atonio, but Hossantonio's family and fellow UNS members believe that then President Nasaro Cardenas directly ordered the death of Cossantonio since the Guisas opposed the land reform and Cardenas in general. Okay, yeah, and so the UNS made a martyr out of ross Antonio. And anyway, you might be wondering why any of this matters and what is so bad about the UNS and Cusstantonio and why you're talking about it. Yeah, like what you've been talking about.

14:40 But the issue, or one of the issues, is that coss Antonio co founded a movement that pushed for the return to the traditions of Roman Catholicism, Spanish heritage, and a Christian social order. And the movement opposed communism. And this is not really an issue, but it was just a thing of theirs. But because they're a fascist organization, right, they opposed communism. But they also opposed what they called Protestant liberalism, and they also referred to it as the Yankee Protestant liberalism. Oh and so this was actually something I did agree with them on. They opposed Protestant liberalism because they felt it was too much tied to capitalism and that it valued capitalism over religion. And remember, these people have religion over anything, right, So that's why they didn't agree with that. And they strongly opposed the United States and the United States intervention, which that I can agree on as well. Same and they even opposed the US and racism against black people and Mexican migrants. And I was like, okay, wait, am I are playing? And they also denounced the Brassetta program because of the mistreatment and the low wages that the Brassettos were subjected to.

16:00 But at the same time they support US, they supported fascist dictators like Franco Mussolini. I don't know, I said, Masoli Spanish and Hitler. Oh yeah, yeah, so you know that's where we draw line, rightfully. So wow, okay, so some points and some not good points, right right right. And one of the founders of the movement of the Synarchists Union or whatever was a German professor of languages Into named Helmuth Oscar Schleider, and he was an actual member of the Nazi Party and I and the NSU was also a revival of the Guiseto movement. M yeah, so we haven't I think we've mentioned it here and there. Yeah, and we have yet to dedicate an episode to it.

16:59 But briefly. The Crissetto War is also known as the Crisetto Rebellion or La Cristiana. It took place from August third, nineteen twenty six to June twenty first, nineteen twenty nine, as a response to the secular articles of the nineteen seventeen Constitution, and more specifically, as a response to the gay Is Law, which sought to limit the power of the Catholic Church in Mexico. And the violence originated. Do you know where it was in it Guadalajara? Yeah, yeah, it originated in Guadalajara where about four hundred Catholics shut themselves in the Santuario Thenstrasenoa Gualupe or the Church of Our Lady of Wallupe, and they exchanged gunfire with federal troops.

17:51 And it was a very like conflicting thing because many people didn't know like the deep or for many people, it was literally just about religion and like Catholics, they're going to Catholic heart, especially in Mexico, and many people conflated that with the purpose of the law, which was again to limit the power because like one group having a power like that is not a good thing. But to many people. I was like, oh, we can't be Catholic. They're attacking the Catholics. And so that's why a lot of people supported the war, not because they wanted to remain like oh, to be the church by the Catholic Church, yes, but because they were Catholic right right. Overall, about ninety thousand people died from the war, and even after the war was over, Cristeto's continued to act out violently towards the government, government officials, and public school teachers, who they saw as evil because they were implementing secular education. Cristeto's would commonly cut off the ears of teachers. Oh my god. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, And this was so it was like such a common practice by the Crissettos that it be known as maestoto sisters. Oh my god, so like uneered teachers. Like yeah, so like teachers without ears, but like you know in Spanish, like there's different rules, Yeah, like uneered teachers. That's why I said, yeah. Yeah. It estimated that about three hundred teachers in rural areas were

19:22 killed by Cristetos between nineteen thirty five and nineteen thirty nine, always the rural areas and you know who lives in the rural communities, the indigenous people. Yeah. Of course, many Catholics were also killed, even some who didn't take up arms, and a group of twenty five martyrs were later canonized in May two thousand by Pope John Paul the Second. And there's a lot more that can be said about this again, but that's all. It can be its own topic. Yeah. Yeah. Although the founders of the NSU were wealthy, most of its members were Campecinos and working class. Yeah. Of course, of course, because we're always finding the rich math war. Yeah, even a lot of the victims of the Cristiino War were not, like, you know, the elite. Yeah, And that's why I'm saying it was like the people, the people that were Catholic and the people who wanted, you know, whatever it was. It's always the people and who's on top with their little fucking puppet, these little bitches with money. Yeah.

20:24 Most NSCU members were from El Centrol, Occidente, So Central West, Halisco, Guano, Creo and mitrocam and it's heyday. Around nineteen forty to nineteen forty three, there were about six one hundred thousand members. Some compare these skistas to international church sponsored fascism like what happened in Spain. But it should be noted that the Mexican Catholic Church denounced the Legion. They did not agree with the legion and they were like acting acting on their own yeah, on their owner court. So they denounced the legion and you know, later became the NSU, and they opposed The Mexican Catholic Church opposed further mobilization against the state after the Carecido War. They didn't want to see the more violence in the name of the church basically. Yeah. Also, the rise of these Catholic militants had more to do specifically with the with discontent with the secularization being pushed by the revolutionary government. How the Cacido War ended and land reformed specific to Mexico, while in other areas like Spain, right wing Catholics or responding to post war economies and accumulations from losing the wars that they were involved in. Right, So it was just a different situation cific situation Mexico ya. And although there were differences between traditional fascists and the NSU, the NSU was never beating the fascist allocations because in many ways they were the same. For example, the Snearkistans had their

21:58 own obligatory arms salute, with which yeah, whenever you have your own special salute, it's a little yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We had a little fascists. Yeah yeah, And they opened and closed their meetings with the little arm salute that kind of did look like a Nazi salute. I saw a little diagram demonstrating how they did it, and I was like, it's very it's giving Nazi damn. Yeah. The Scenekistas also often stage militaristic processions and believed in strict general roles. But it was all it was performative, and I forgot what I was listening to where they talked about like fascism, Like a huge aspect of fascism is the theatric aspect of it, the performance of it. I mean, hence the little parade. Yes, yeah, and so yeah, they they did the same, and they believed in strict general roles, and this could be seen in their code of conduct, in which they admonished women quote, not to betray your wonderful destiny as a woman by devoting yourself to manly labors.

22:58 Their place is not in combat, but it foster you to push and comit meant to fight even if you see that it is dangerous. And even though they believed in strict gender roles and that the women's domain was in their homes and children, many women who joined the NSU felt like it brought them more into the public domain. It was very interesting to read about how so what does that mean? So before being part of the NSU, they felt like they were just in their homes all the time and were not participating in public life. Oh, I could see that any organization would do that. Yeah, fascions or not. Yeah, like you didn't have to join that ns you know, you could have joined something else. Although they couldn't participate in the meetings, they prepped food for the meetings, hosted the meetings in their homes. They gave them purpose. Yeah, they taught in catechism, they led festivals.

23:47 In fact, some of the women credited their participation in the NSU for their later participation in larger political movements like universal suffrage or the women's rights women's right to vote. So I could see that. Yeah, like some good came out of it. Yeah, women learned and practiced activism. Yes, yeah, sure it was a little fascist, but they later went to support other causes not fascist, things like women's right to vote. Although so women gained the right to vote and they vote for and that then they vote against their interest Exhibit A the United States. Besides staging protests and militaristic rallies, the Snakistas met weekly through their local branches since they were organized regionally, and at these weekly meetings they planned their protests, rallies, and propaganda. They even organized their propaganda by committees. And these different committees were orientation, Combat, conquest, and direction. That's very organized. And you know what, that's one thing about fascism and the right. They are so organized.

25:00 They're so organized, and they've been doing what they do, what they have been doing for so long that they know. And that's what the left we have. Yeah, because we all have different mental disorders, we can't get organized. Yeah. Anyway, sal was the main ideologue behind the NSU's beliefs, and he was unfortunately a fan of the Nazis okay and a fan of fascism in general. Okay, guess what he loved about them their organization. Oh gone, I has been like, they're so organized. Well I meant it derogatory, right right parentheses derogatory. But yeah, he loved their organizational and hierarchical structure.

25:51 They are fascism, author authoritarianism, nationalism, inflexible ideology and discipline. Don't think he didn't like because that's some fascist governments participated in the persecution of Christians after World War Two as the Cold War rage, the scene Acquisas spread propaganda accusing the Mexican government of colluding with Russians and wanting to be the next Kremlin, and they spread a baseless conspiracies about it because they were so nationalists, they were also against the US, and again that makes sense to me. Gosh, sorry, this is such a conflict of interest going on here. It's so strange, it's so funny. It's so funny that you say that, because I have an example of a pamphlet type of thing they made that makes no sense.

26:40 One pamphlet the Scenearquistas made to show that they were pushing back against tyranny, depicted a Senerakista hand and like so like the Sista uniform because they had their own uniform, okay, and it was a hand stopping the Soviet Union. So it's like the like a stop sign like this right, stopping this union the US and Germany. But they were conflating fascism with communism, like it didn't make sense. And also they were grouping them together. Yeah, and Spain was engaging in fascism as well, but they had no problem with Spanish fascism. Yeah. That that is so strange. Yeah. And so eventually the scene Kista's reputation became damaged because they supported the access in World War two gone, and after the scene Akista movement died down mostly due to internal power struggles, which some say always happens with fascism, like it never lasts. But I mean, did we want to last twenty years like Inlace we wait longer? Yeah? Yeah.

27:46 So yeah, they they died down mostly due to internal power struggles. And from what I read, if I understood correctly, many scene Acquistas joined the ranks of FUN Okay, that's not surprise. Yeah. And this is the Partido yeah, the national nationalists, yeah, the more right wing. Yeah. Historian Jean Meyer described GisMo as a cult of the military, the Mexican flag, religion, the imperial and Hispanic past, and a cult of fallen militants for the fatherland of hatred for the US. Of irridentism. I'm going to define that later.

28:29 I'm going to define it after the quote ends. Okay, of irridentism, evoking an epoch in which from Florida to Oregon all was Spanish and irid. Can you say irridentism means a policy of advocating the restoration to a country of any territory formerly belonging to it. Okay, wanting to restore Mexico as Spain and that is as a colony of Spain. Yeah, not good, not good, not good. So that was just a service level overview of the scene cisnas. I will have those sources below and there's like one hundred page article or like research study that I use.

29:10 So that's what I'm saying, Like, this is a really you know, surface level or review of the scenexista. But I wanted to talk a little bit about why this is on my mind? Okay, that was my question, like what, like, how did yeah, how did this happen? I was listening to the Fifteen Minutes of Fascism podcasts. At the end of every episode, the host celebrates the death of a fascist that died that day or that week that the episode is released. So that's how I learned of Antonia. And then I was like, let me look him up to see what's up with him. And then I from looking him up, I learned about the NSU, and that piqued my interest because I worked on these notes a while ago, and it was around the time that Pope Francis rip died and the Conclave was set to start, So I was very obsessed with yes then. And there was a lot of discourse around then about cultural or creatle Catholics versus converts, you know, because Jdie Bands famously is a convert. He famously killed the Pope Paul Francis. Yeah, allegedly famously, right, and so yeah, there was like a little a lot of discourse about that, and Catholicism was on my noggin. It was, and more importantly though, fascism and Christian nationalism have been on my mind for years.

30:31 That is true. That is true, and now things to you also in my mind, and it should be on all of our minds because the two are intertwined. Like a pretzel. Yeah yeah, but not a good pretzel, a bad pretzel, very bad quality, the lowest quality of pretzel you can probably ever get in prettel, Yeah, dumb. Christian nationalism is comparable to synarchism and to the goals of the NSU, because Christian nationalism is an ideology based on the idea that the US is a Christian nation and was founded as a Christian nation, and thus should be a Christian nation today in the future, meaning no separation of state and church, and believing that the state should actually be taking direction from the Church and that law should be based on Christian values. Of course, we know, you know, any reasonable person that learned history the regular way, he knows that the United States was not founded as a Christian nation and that the founding fathers actually were veryous, yes, and the very least secular right and intentionally wrote about the separation of church and state. And then these Christian nationalism are twisting it in they're little twisted heads. And again this is not for regular Christians. Okay, so don't get you know, don't get angry. These are extremists. Extremism has become normalized. Yeah, so it's a growing faction of Christianity and they think that or argue that this separation

32:01 of church and state was actually a separation of not from the stay from the church, but basically trying to say that the church was meant to leave. I don't know how they twisted that way, but that's what they argue. That doesn't make any sense, but yeah, okay. So many people in groups that subscribe to Christian nationalism believe in spiritual warfare osaaki. Christians are called to fight a cosmic battle between good and evil and that it is their duty to be soldiers for God. And these people were actually some of the earliest Trump supporters. M Yeah. One specific group that believes in this is the New Apolistic Reformation Christians, and hundreds of them were at the Capitol on January sixth. Hundreds. Yeah, I didn't know that. On January sixth, the rioters recited a prayer after breaking into Senate chambers and it went like this quote, Jesus Christ, we invoke your name. Thank you, Heavenly Father for having the inspiration to allow us to send a message to all of the tyrants, the communists, and the globalists that this is our nation, not theirs, that we will not allow America, the American way, the US to go down.

33:14 We love you, and we thank you. In Christ's Holy name, we pray. So you cannot separate the moment that we're in or January sixth, from Christian nationalism. This group, as many evangelical churches, have partnered with the likes of Charlie Kirk and if you don't know that name, God bless you. Oh yeah, but he's basically a white supremacist. But if you tell him that to his space, he's like, what do you mean, what do you mean define white supremacists? And what is white? What is a woman? Right? Right? Dumb ass shit like that. So he's basically a white supremacist who likes to argue with twenty year old college students, and he runs Turning Point USA, which is a Christian nationalist organization. If you don't know what that is, blessed again, God bless you. And a lot can be said about this, and a lot has been said about this. So I think we can get into some recommendations about this, maybe at the end, some which we've already talked about. I think, but this is the ideology behind American Exceptionalism Project twenty twenty five, which we are currently being subjected to. We're being put through the trenches of we're in the trenches. Yeah.

34:29 Project twenty twenty five is stepping down our necks. Yeah, the dismantling of Roe v. Wade, the restriction of gender affirming care, and a lot more, and we can go all the way back. This is the ideology behind slavery and colonization as well. Yeah. And in more recent US it's become a parent that advance Bolter, the suspect in the assassination of the Minnesota state representative. If Melissa Hortman and her husband has ties to the New Apostolic Reformation and the christ for Nations Institute a Christian college or school, I don't even know which one. I don't know if it's college. I know it's a Christian school though. And he was even a missionary in the Democratic Republican Republic of the Congo. Oh no, yeah, not a missionary wow.

35:24 And one of the private security companies in which he listed himself as a CEO and the president of which who knows if that's even true, but you know that's what he listed it on his LinkedIn. One of these was based in the Congo. In his sermons which he delivered in the Congo one as recent as February twenty twenty three, and it seems like he was there from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three if I remember right. But anyway, he can be heard saying that people don't know what sex they are because the devil has gone so far into their mind and their soul, and they don't know abortion is wrong. This is like a quote from him. Many churches, they don't have the gifts flowing. God gives the body gifts to keep balance because when the body starts moving in the wrong direction, when they're won and accepting the gifts, God will raise an apostle or prophet to correct their course. God is going to raise up apostles and prophets in America to correct his church.

36:18 And I'm like, why are you talking about America and the Congo bitch who again to give a buck? Like what? But it's nonsense. Also, then none of that made anything. It doesn't make sense. And then in a biography listed in the Suspects now defunct nonprofit website, so he had a non profit at one point, he says he spent time in Jerusalem, Gaza and the West Bank, where he sought out quote militant Islamists in order to share the gospel and tell them that violence wasn't the answer. Violence is not the answer. No, tell that to him. He just killed someone. Yeah, he is out there, and he had a list of seventy mostly democratic government officials, including his walls, a Christian man, and he was so against abortion and most of the people on his list were pro abortion or pro choice. Sorry, I forgot people don't like probortion pro choice. So this man and his beliefs, these beliefs that seem that are extremists. They are the embodiment of Christian nationalism, which is a growing movement and it's taking over the government. They are the ones who propped up Trump in the first place. They are the writers of Project twenty twenty five, and they are the arbiters of ruining our lives. Yeah, and we must fight them anyway. And that's what inspired this whole episode I

37:49 see now. So yeah, I mean if you didn't know before about Christian nationalism and that it's the downfall of the United States, now you know whether. Yeah, and again this is not your regular you know Christian out there who goes to church and minds their business. These are the people that want to push we've already said it, and they basically they want Christianity to be the government and to roll over everybody, even those who are not Christians, because it's their way or the highway according to them. Right, And if you want to learn more about this, I guess we could get into some recommendations now. Okay, well let's start with our fave Jesus and John Wayne Jans. Yeah, that book is amazing. I don't think we need to talk about it too much because we have talked about it already a bit. Yeah, but that is a great book to learn more about this movement. And one of the sources I used is also uh good, let me, I forgot the name already. Is that The Straight White Jesus? Oh, there you go, that's the one. Yeah. Podcast Fundy Fridays on YouTube? Yes, in Bed with the Right, Yes, the New Evangelicals. I watched them on YouTube, but they're basically a podcast. Also, I'm sure they're on all this podcast treating things. But I like to watch her on YouTube because those show clips and stuff. Right. Some more books

39:22 A Well Trained Wife by Tia Lovings and I talked about this last time, didn't I Because that's the one I read was that one was that one was so good. And in her book she mentions more towards the end of once she gets to like her life now that she has left this cult. Basically, she talked about like at first she didn't want to speak up against Trump, but she realized, like they're the people who are propping up Trump and you know, Christian nationalism. She's like, they're trying to make my life and what I went through normal and the norm for everybody. And man, did she go through it? She really did. But in this world view of Christian nationalism, like patriarchy is the norm, but like an extreme patriarchy, not even like your normal everyday patriarchy. No, like an oppressive, abusive I must submit. And for the extremists within this extremist movement, even a husband is allowed to discipline his wife. She experiences that. She goes through that.

40:26 So I mean that's what we're looking at. Yeah, that's what they want. Yeah, the kingdom, the power, and the glory. American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism by Tim Alberta. That's another good one. The House of My Mother by Shay Frankie. She doesn't outright talk about Christian nationalism, but it's another aspect of it. Yeah, because this movement has also ties with that, like beat your children, not to discipline them, but not even like a normal spinking like literally beating them, right, abusing them and torturing them in order to cast their demons and like and a lot of they're they're pushing to get like Catholics and Mormons and other religions, other Christian religions under this movement as well.

41:13 It's not like just Christian nationalism, right right, And so yeah, that's why I think I would add that book in there and Sherry, but she talks about Yeah, this it's the same principles of believing that children are yours to beat up basically to control. It's the same beliefs, and yeah, it's not it's not just women that they are exerting this extreme control over its children as well, and it breeds a system of abuse, child abuse, sexual abuse. Yeah, I think those are the most recent ones I'm in. I think so, Yeah, I guess that brings us to the end. Unless there's something else you want to add. No, I don't think so, because you know, I've been sharing my thoughts throughout. I did want to add we have yapped about it a ton, and we've mentioned in previous episodes about our wish that ice and not exist and you know border patrol and like no borders, and right, I think that's clear. I don't know it's very clear, but I think we can repeat it. And yeah, no, I specifically wanted to mention it again in light of the recent developments right all of the US, but mostly to say, like, I know, not everyone can go out in protests, and if you cannot do that, there's other ways to help, either by being in community, so like looking for mutual aid. We're sharing always to our stories a bunch of different ones, or you know, printing out

42:45 those know your Right cards and passing them out if you have like a business, if you're a business owner, you can put a little poster up there that says like everyone's welcome xp ICE. And there's also there's a bunch of organizations that help for immigrant rights, like you know, we've mentioned one that we have donated to Alo Tornado. That's a good one, but there's a bunch, there's a bunch, and so sharing if all of these things are not helping, the most important thing to me is not even like protesting or especially especially not like I understand people are angry, but like calling out influence. First, I don't know who these influencers are that are always like, what about these Latino influencers. I'm sorry, I don't know any Latino influencerss.

43:25 But I keep coming across videos of people like and all the Latino influencers that are silent, and it's like, yeah, that's not right either this point. If there's silent, there going to be silent. I think that if you have people in your life that are espousing these beliefs as well, are anti immigrant or only the quote correct way, talk to them. You know, that's where talk to your parents, talk to your friends, to your family, because that's where you have the influence. Yeah. Like, like we've shared many times, you know, especially during BLM, like our mom would be like, well, they don't have to destroy things, and then we'd be like what they do? I'd be like ah, but like you know, you know your family, you know how you can reach them. Like for us, it's never been getting into arguing matches as much as like some family members who want to start arguing matches. You're only explaining, you know, facts, right or something within those or an open dialogue and being like, hey, like we can't talk about this, but if you're going to be like, you know, crazy, then I'm not going to talk about it with you, Like things like that, Like these conversations can be had and should be had. And again, you're not going to exert, you know, influence over these influencers that don't give a fuck.

44:32 If they haven't done anything at this point, they're not going to say anything. They don't care. Look to your community, your people, and you know what, support those who have always spoken out about this. So share this episode. Some of us here speaking now, some of us have always said these things. How about you share our episode. And it's not just kidding. At the end of the day, what are these call outs doing besides getting you attention, right, and that's not talk about the issues? Like who cares about these people? Ignore them? They the more attention they get, even if it's a boat attention, people clicking on their videos, whatever, they're going to get more views, more money. Like, just ignore them and talk about the issues yourself, bring awareness yourself instead of bringing awareness to these people that aren't speaking up about it and prop up those people that are speaking up about it. Yeah, and also in these times and always. But it's so important to know your history.

45:29 And I'm not saying that to get you to share our episode again, but like the five episodes series we just did. Yeah, Like if we all knew that, maybe maybe our cousins, not cousins like I'm just in general, our collective cousins, Maybe our collective cousins will stop joining ICE and we're stop joining border patrol. And I, as a veteran, include the military with that, right, So maybe we can stop joining those things. And I understand there's a lot of things that go into that decition. Like for me, as much as I don't like the military, I would do it again so my mom would get a green card. And it's like, well, why why do we have to join so that our parents get It's all on purpose, right, But that's not the point. The point is talk to them about our history. Teach your kids our history, and don't waste your time with these random callouts. Instead, talk to your your community, your circle.

46:19 That's if you have someone with that Like, maybe unintentionally or intentionally is propagating these and we all do, I know we all do. No we all do we No one is in a perfect little numble, you know what I mean? Yeah, so, yeah, I just wanted to say that. Yeah, and there have been I know, we haven't done a booklet update or what is it a booklet bullshit segment? Yeah, in a while, there have been developments. I haven't had time to write one up because yeah, again, there have been developments, and there's so much point on. Yeah, yeah they're not good though, these developments. They never are, so no, no, but yeah, other than that, thanks Carton and for sharing that piece of history of Mexico that I didn't know, but tying it into today because I love when that is a thing as depression at as it is, it is helpful. Yeah, and yeah, other than that, we hope that this was one less Historia Unknown for you. Bye bye.

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