June 5, 2025

The Hour of Blood, La Matanza part one

The Hour of Blood, La Matanza part one
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The years from 1910 to 1920 were brutal, and are known by a couple names, La Matanza (the massacre) or La Hora de Sangre (the hour of blood). This violence was committed by state police, vigilantes and military, including the Texas rangers, whose violence was worse during 1915 to 1919. Estimates of the number of dead Mexicans from these years range from 300 to 5000, but it’s not exact because so many murders went unreported.

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Music Credit: Hustlin (Instrumental) by Neffex

This episode was edited byBex Carlos&Alex Rogpe

Sources

The Injustice Never Leaves You: Anti-Mexican Violence in Texas by Monica Munoz Martinez
Unspeakable Violence: Remapping U.S. and Mexican National Imaginaries (Latin America Otherwise)
Forgotten Dead: Mob Violence against Mexicans in the United States, 1848-1928
The Lynching of Mexicans in the Texas Borderlands by Nicholas Villanueva

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Everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is a

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Study as Unknown, a podcast where we talk about Latin

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American history. Sometimes it's horrible and deals with heavy topics

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like racism, corruption, and genocide. But more than that, it's

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also by resistance, power and community. And today we're just

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continuing with a very depressing topic. In the last two episodes,

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I talked about the history of lynching, mostly focusing on California,

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with like some sprinkles of New Mexico, Colorado, and Texas.

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And I did mention, like the number of official lynchines

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of Mexicans in the US from eighteen forty eight to

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nineteen twenty eight is five hundred and forty eight. And

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that's for all of the US. When using the official

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definition of lynching from the Tuskegee Institute, there must be

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legal evidence that a person was killed. That person must

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have met death illegally. A group of three or more

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persons must have participated in the killing, must have acted

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under the pretext of service to justice, race, or tradition.

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And that's the number that you know if all was

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under that definition. But like I said, when you expand

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that definition to what are still considered legal lynenes. Today,

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that number grows in insane amount, especially in one state,

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TXs Yes, Texas, and that's thanks to one group, Texas Rangers.

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That's right. Sorry, it sound like for this gump you do,

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and I love it. Don't ever change my coworkers may

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fund me for my text and accent. Yeah, I mean, okay, yeah,

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it's not good. Okay, I can't do one either, That's

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why I didn't try. The years from nineteen ten to

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nineteen twenty were especially brutal, and this time period is

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known by a couple names. Do you know them? I

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don't think so. La Matanza. Oh my god, I was

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gonna say that popped in my head and I was,

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but I was guessing, and I was like, but I

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don't think I've ever heard that before. I was just

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gonna guess you would have been right, damn. Yeah, this

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is a lesson. Don't doubt me to me, Yeah, from

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me to me, don't doubt me. Never doubt Carmen or

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you know in English, the Massacre or Laura de Sangre

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the Hour of Blood. Oh okay, I think you mentioned

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that last episode. This violence was committed by state police, vigilantes,

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and military, and that includes the Texas Rangers. The time

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period that the Texas Rangers enacted the most violence in

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those years was nineteen fifteen to nineteen nineteen. Estimates from

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nineteen ten to nineteen twenty of Mexicans that were killed

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during that time period ranges from three hundred to five thousand. Wow.

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But this number is not exact because so many murders

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went unreported. But let's start with the enactors of the

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majority of this violence that Mexican were facing, and of

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course also indigenous people, the Texas Rangers. While so many

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vid them as heroes, especially in Texas, others as monsters

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and evil. What's evil incarnated? Evil incarnate, Yes, that evil incarnate,

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especially the the sentence of those murdered by the Texas Rangers.

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But you wouldn't know it. You wouldn't know they did

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these things when you hear about them, and how amazing

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and heroic they are, and how revered they are. Bevered, Yes,

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thank you. In eighteen twenty three, Stephen F. Austin, one

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of the early Anglo settlers in the land that would

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become Texas, organize a small group of men to protect

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other settlers and their property. They call themselves Rangers. After

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Texas claimed the independence from Mexico in eighteen thirty six.

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These rangers worked to keep Anglo settlers safe in the

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new Republic of Texas. But the safety was at the

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expense of others, of course, who they deemed enemies of

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the republic, the Kamanche, the Tonkawas, the Apaches, the Kiowa,

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I mean, all indigenous people and Mexicans. Right, And it's like, okay,

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yes there was violence, but there wouldn't be violence if

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you weren't there where you shouldn't have been in the

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first place, you know, right, Yeah, this is the epitome

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of te la buscastes pendejo. Right, yeah, like you were

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looking for it, but real not like what no, but

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really really Terran people say it too. Yeah, and their yeah,

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their enemies. They literally declared their enemies. Quote Indian warriors

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and bacqueros, that's what they said their enemies were. And

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Texas Rangers also worked to preserve the enslavement of black people.

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This was instrumental to their work. They tracked down and

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punished enslaved black people who were trying to cross the

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Rio Grande into Mexico for their freedom, and the Texas

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Rangers broke existing laws that forbade them from crossing into Mexico.

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Of course they did. They weren't allowed to, but they

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were doing it all the time. And when they did this,

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they not only did it to capture the person that

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was trying to escape, but also to terrorize Mexican towns

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helping them. Of course, like you know, last episode, I

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mentioned one of the claims that were done to that board.

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I don't remember the name of the board anymore, or

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a group or committee whatever it was called. Yeah, but

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one of the claims was the majority of those claims

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that were approved. It was all from one incident by

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the Texas Rangers in Guahila. This was one of those

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instances where they went into capture someone trying to escape

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enslavement and then they burned the whole town down. My goodness.

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And one Texas Ranger described Mexicans as black as n

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words and ten times as treacherous. Wow. And this is

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a group very celebrated by some. Yeah, they as an

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organization today barely barely recognize their racial terror they enacted

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on anyone who was their enemy. Shocking. Some historians state

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that the Texas Rangers was one of the first prominent

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Western vigilantes to be endowed with legal authority, the other

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being actual comps who, as we all know, probably by now,

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their jobs started as capturers of enslaved people that were

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trying to away. Yes, and that's their legacy, you know,

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like if that's their beginnings, yikes, how can we even

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like trust them? Right, like, that's what that's my thing,

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you know, No, for real. And one law that made

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it so easy for them to go around killing and

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the name of justice was the lay the fuga or

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the law of flight or law of escape. Both have

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been used. Is it like fugitive fuga fuga? Yeah, So

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the Texas Rangers would release prisoners and order them to run.

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Then they would shoot prisoners while they ran, because once

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they were running, then they were they had all the

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right to kill them. Oh my god, that was le fuga.

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And in their reports they would just say prisoner was

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killed to prevent escape or for resistant arrest. Just like now,

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how they plant weapons and shit like that. Right Like again,

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presidential times, nothing changes, Everything is the same. One man

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who was fighting back and led a rebellion against the

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New Republic and the Texas Rangers. His name was Juan

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Nepo Museno Cortina who will be his own episode because

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I had no idea about this. They were called the

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Cortina Wars. But yeah, he's gonna be his own episode.

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But he described the Texas Rangers as vampire guys's of

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men who rob property and hunted and murdered Mexican men

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like wild beasts. Did you send me a screenshot of

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this this vampire quote? Yes, I did. I just send

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you a screenshot of this. Yeah, okay, okay. Immediately immediately

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I thought of vampires, and I was like, oh my gosh.

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She said that gayas did her research. She really did. Also,

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the whole time that we were reading that book, I

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it took me too long to realize Rinchez was people

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trying to say rangers in Spanish. Are you serious? It

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took me a very long time. Yeah, but I know

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that now. Yeah. But seeing Cortina here described them as vampires,

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and then like reading the book just gives it a

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whole new yeah, real meaning like litreal, which was wild too.

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This wasn't some metaphor that even just made up. Like

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back then, they were referring to them, yes, yeah, as vampires,

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vampiric but the revolt of eighteen fifty nine didn't accomplish

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what could I wanted within ten years land that was

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one Mexican and of course indigenous Like that goes without saying.

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It decreased and decrease. As the years went by, violence

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and technology was on the side of the Anglo settlers.

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Their favorite technology and tool for colonization was barbed wire.

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Barbed wire. Barbed wire, Yes, and I wasn't surprised to

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learn barbed wire. It's a tool of the enemy. From

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its inception was a tool of colonization. I remember trying

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to jump fences and getting stuck numbers skidding. No, that

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never happened. No, we did jump fences, but there's not

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really broadwire. I feel like it came more out of

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use by the time we were jumping fences because of

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how dangerous it is. Yes, yeah, baradwire was patented in

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eighteen seventy four by a man named JF. Glinden, and

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with it, Anglo rnchers were able to fence in areas

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to claim as their own. They put down bombed wire

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to block access to rivers and streams, public rivers and

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beacause all land was basically public back then, exactly. They

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placed bart wired down on places that were for communal

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farming or communal like grazing, like you know, cattle would graze.

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That pisses me off so much. Yeah, and that's what

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they used it for. I'm not surprised. As the decade

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went by, ranch lands were all private and the Mexicans

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that once farmed it as ranch owners where now the

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manual farm labor were shaking our heads. This of what

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you're talking about just reminded me like when I read

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the book about King Leopold, because not only Belgium, but

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also the British and other European powers did the same

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shit all over Africa, and King Loopold specifically in the Congo,

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he really fucked shit up there, yeap. And like land

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was communal, shit did not work the way they made

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it more and forced it to be, and they killed

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hundreds and hundreds and thousands for their greed. I'm just like,

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oh my god, yeah, okay, insidious truly yus. There was

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even a same that grew from this go on, el

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a lambre rino, el lambre wow. With the barbed wire

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came hunger wow. And of course it sounds better in

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Spanish because it rhymes, it says, it rhymes. Yeah, this

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is your sign to learn Spanish. Okay, Yeah, everything sounds cooler,

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it really does. And of course barbed wire was used

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for this because even you know now you could still

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say it was a tool of like the oppressor, because

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like what's used against the un House. Yeah yeah, And

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so I was not shocked to see this, but I

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didn't know it. And just reading that saying was like,

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I just say, you know, every time I wrote another sentence,

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I was more angry. Yeah. Yeah, no, It's like infuriy

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and like eye opening it at the same time exactly.

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And the King Ranch was one of the first to

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be fenced with barbed wire. This ranch was made up

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of two million acres of land and was seen as

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the greatest symbol of Anglo domination in the borderlands. Two

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a million acres. Wow. That again was communal land stolen

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with barbed wire. A town formed around this King Ranch,

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and the town was called Kingsville, and the King Kleburg

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families owned this town. Basically they operated everything in the town,

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the Keebrig Bank, the kings In, the Kingsville Ice Rink,

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the Kingsville Ice End Milling Company. I thought it was

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an ice rink. And what a fitting name, kings because

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this bears a resemblance to the feudal system. Oh yeah, yeah,

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the Kingsville Power Company. Oh my god, Oh my god.

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I could go on and on and on. Everything was

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King's or Keburg. Wow. This is also where the Texas

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Rangers ended up building their headquarters, and the Texas Rangers

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were often referred to as king Ranches private security. Of

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course they were, yeah many times. I don't know actually

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if we have said it a lot or not, but

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I think it's something that we talk about a lot

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and read stuff about all the time or listen to

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stuff about it all the time. But like the police

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is here to protect businesses, the rich property? Yeah, property, Yeah,

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they're not here to keep you safe. Now, And look

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at that goes all the way back, Oh yeah, from

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the beginning. And of course yes, because what were in

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slave people considered property? What was their first job to

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catch those and slaves people? It's all connected, those are

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the lines. All of this paired with Texas laws that

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were growing and growing targeting Mexican property owners, all of

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this increased racial tensions. In eighteen ninety one, there was

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another revolt, this one led by Kariano erasmo Garza. And

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this group was made up of hundreds of Mexicans on

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both sides of this new made up border people of

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all classes. Rich merchants, farmer landowners, lower middle class workers,

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poor farmers, and landless ranchers made up this group that

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was now revolting. Nothing united them more than revenge. Yes,

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they rode into battle with this motto on their hat bands,

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free border people, lebres front Theriso. I like that me too,

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and yeah. Among them was mostly Mexican and Mexican Americans,

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but also a few Italians that had married into Mexican families. Okay,

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well they are the white Latinos yeah, before Spaniards actually yeah,

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and now the Irish, well no, I think they're saying Irish. No, no,

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that's redheaded people. On TikTok they're saying red headed people

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are black. Yeah, I remember see that. Yeah, and what's

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the actress? Ao? Is? I? How say your name? She's Irish? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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you don't know. Just go to TikTok and look this up. Right,

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none of this makes sense unless you're on TikTok and

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the Army and Texas Ranger tactics to put down this

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rebellion were especially brutal. The US Army captain in charge

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of this effort, Captain John Gregory Burke, wrote the following

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about the situation. The cheapest thing to do is to

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shoot them down wherever they are found skulking about with

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arms in their hands, and to burn down some of

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the ranchos which gave them shelter. So killing the rebels

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was not enough. They also needed to devastate the surrounding community.

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This is repeated even now. Yeah, this is this is

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what we're seeing in Gaza, yes, and what we saw

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during you know, all the wars that were backed by

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the US of the atrocities, And this is the state

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of relations between Anglos and Mexicans that has existed from

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the beginning. And like sure, you can say, oh, there

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was violence on both sides, but nothing compares to the

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violence enacted by the Anglo settlers and the Texas Rangers,

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like not even all the crazy Mexican bandits, like because

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so many people try to justify it that way, and

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I don't have a fuck more bandits. Actually actually what

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they needed was more bandits. But this existing relationships already there, right,

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this like violent, violent thing. Then you add in the

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increasing migration of Mexicans into Texas who were fleeing by

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the thousands because of the Mexican Revolution. This is what

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informed La Matanza this night. This a ten year period.

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You know, Mexicans were arriving in great numbers to these

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areas and Anglos in the communities, which again they're not

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native toy they arrived before too, right, But so they

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arrived to these communities and they were scared because of

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all the Mexicans that were now arriving, all the brown people.

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They scared meo and they were like, oh, they're all abandoned.

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And these settlers requested military presents to protect them, and

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they called for newly arriving refugees to be segregated, and

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the police, the Texas Rangers, they were more than happy

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to do this. They made concentration camps for the refugees.

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In nineteen fourteen, four five hundred Mexicans were imprisoned at

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a camp in for Bliss, just outside of Albaso. For

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blisss what an evil place for Bliss. Fuck that place

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personally speaking, fuck that place, no for real, speaking as

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you that was me just channeling my interview yes, perfect,

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that was spot on. Those held at the camp included

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Mexican men, women, children, and former Mexican federal soldiers. By

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nineteen sixteen, one hundred thousand National Guard units were deployed

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between Yuma, Arizona, and Brownsville, Texas, where a lot of

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these refugees were arriving because they needed to be policed,

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they needed to be militarized. And this is the beginning

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of the militarization of the border. It wasn't all this

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heavily militarized place, oh my god. But this is where

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it kind of grew and where it became like very

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okay to use state surveillance on all these brown Mexicans

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and arriving. Constitution camps not new to the US right,

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every new couple of episodes I learned about a new

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concentration camp. Truly terrific. Yes, But let me go back

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to Kingsville. On August eighth, nineteen fifteen, around sixty bandits

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raided the flag station at King's Ranch in Kingsville, and

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the response to this raid was extreme violent. The Texas

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Rangers led this retaliation. They killed any Mexican man they saw,

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and by the time they were done there was at

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least one hundred two dead Mexican men. Wow. Some estimate

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that from that date until June seventeenth, nineteen sixteen, over

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two hundred Mexicans were killed by the Texas Rangers. Wow,

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in a year. That's quite a bit, all without proper investigations.

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They just did what they wanted. And this was also

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like this brutal retaliation where they went on doing this

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for a year. It was also caused by this thing

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called Plan de san Diego. Have you heard of it? No? Ban?

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The San Diego was drafted in January nineteen fifteen by

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revolutionaries whose goal was to create an independent republic for

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Mexicans and Thiicanos. So they were going to be free.

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Oh okay, I have heard of that? You have? Okay? Yeah,

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they were going to be free of Mexico and of

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the US. It was going to be its own republic.

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And this plan promised to return land to indigenous people

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land back. Wow. Book included calling for an upraising beginning

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in February nineteen fifteen, and that uprising was calling for

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the mass killing of every Anglo male over sixteen years old.

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Over sixteen Yeah, oh okay, but this never actually happened.

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It was just a thought. It was a plan. That's

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it a plan, okay. And also it probably couldn't happen

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because of the attacks by the Texas Rangers, like to

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stop this thing. That was just a plan at the time.

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You know, I'm not defending it, okay, I'm just saying

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it was just a plan. But because of this plan,

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they went around killing an insane amount of Mexicans who

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they didn't even care to see if they were part

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of this revolution that made this plan. And the thing

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about that too, is that when you drive people to violence,

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this is the kind of stuff that they plan, you

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know what I mean. Yeah, it's like when we talk

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about back in the days of enslavement and rebellions against enslavers,

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and they kill like everybody on the plantation. Let's say,

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is that wrong, per se? No? Not really. You're talking

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about people that were subjucated, tortured, ripped apart from their

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families in the most brutal ways, you know, abused. Is

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it wrong that they stood up violently and killed in revenge. No?

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I don't think so, Not to me, not to me,

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but some people. And if you disagree, I'm sorry that

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you're dumb. Not'm just kidding. I'm sorry to say that

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you're wrong, actually, but it is kind of like wishful,

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privileged thinking to believe that everything can be done in

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a peaceful manner. But the truth is that it took

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violence for a lot of thinks to happen. Right. It's

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like we say all the time, Yeah, our forty hour

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work week, which I think is too much. Actually that

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was one with violence. And it is the right of

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an oppressed group to fight, yeah, in whatever way they

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can against the oppressor. Yeah, and do sometimes should actually

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sometimes include violence, because you can't just like ask for it, right,

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they're not going to give it to you, right, Like

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we're talking about people who don't see you and don't

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value you. Oppressors, so don't see you as an equal person,

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don't see you as a person. Are they gonna listen

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to your politely asking no? No, And many times people

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try to do it the peaceful way. That's the first step, obviously,

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that is the first step. Nobody wants to go to

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war exactly, unless they're bloodthirsty colonizers, unless they're anglos. Yeah, yeah,

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so that plan Also, the planet San Diego justified to

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the Texas rangers, all the extra killing of Mexican people

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they were doing, but again they weren't never checking anything

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would have justified it. But yeah, yeah, they were gonna

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do it anyway. But that was another reason that nineteen

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fifteen specifically was extra violent. And all of this is

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taking place again between that time period La Matanza or

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the Hour of Blood, from nineteen ten to nineteen twenty.

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But I want to go back for a second to

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what is not to be the first lynching, the marking

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of the beginning of La matanzak. And so that was

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nineteen ten, and Antonio Rodriguez is considered to be the

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first victim of La Matanta and almost nothing is known

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about him except that he was nineteen or twenty and

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he moved from Mexico to Rock Springs, Texas, searching for work.

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So on November second, nineteen ten, forty year old Efie

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Greer Henderson was found dead on her porch. She had

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been shot once in the back and once in the head.

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Her youngest child was found crying and trying to nurse

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from his dead mother. Oh that's terrible, very and Lemuel Henderson,

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Effie's husband, along with his nine year old son Tom

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Henderson found her, and they found a baby trying to

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nurse on her. Wow. And Lemuel Henderson rode two miles

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on horseback to the nearest ranch with the phone to

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call the police. And during this two mile ride a

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mob of family members, neighbors, and local officers set out

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looking for answers, but really looking for a Mexican to

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kill for violence. Yeah. Yes, because the only witness to

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the murder was their daughter, who said a dark Mexican

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man killed her mom. And I don't know how old

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a daughter was, but younger than nine, older than one

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in between those ages. Okay, Wow. And the next day

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Antonio Rodriguez was arrested and placed in the Edwards County

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Jail in the rock Springstown Square. By the afternoon, an

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angry mob of several hundreds and one thousand observers, so

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one hundred mob participants and then one thousand observers had formed.

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Oh my god, this mob grabbed Antonio from his prison cell,

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marched him to the edge of town, where they tied

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him to a tree and set him on fire. This

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is just terrible because what if it wasn't him? Exactly,

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there was zero investigation. This is why we have a

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surely proper justice systems flawed, but we have a criminal

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justice system for a reason. You know, at least give

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people a chance for a trial, right, like mob violence,

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it's stupid. People and a mob are stupid. Yeah, I

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mean again, there's no proper process to figure out what

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actually happened. And so the news of the lynching spread

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like wildfire. Mexican officials condemned the lynching, obviously, and then

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the Anglos of Rock Springs feared retaliation by a Mexican

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mob and they were like, oh, bandits are heading for

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the town, which never happened. Hysteria, Yeah, just like now.

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Mexican newspaper at the Bat wrote about the situation. The

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iron hoof of the Texas Yankee, in his barbarous and

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savage sentiments of race hatred, is now trampling upon the Negro.

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But the rottenness of his core has spread out so

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as to wound and kill a Mexican by the iniquitous

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method of lynching. There were mass protests in Mexico City

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and Guadalajara because Antonio Rodriguez was said to have left

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a wife and kids in Guadalajara. Oh wow, And they

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knew this because he was writing letters as he was

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going across and getting to Texas. If there's one thing

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that Mexico City will do is protests, followed by Guadalajaya. Yes, yes,

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both those places. And students in Mexico City passed out

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pamphlets that read, quote, barberous Mexico, they call our country.

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They who applied the torch to the close of Rodriguez

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Barber's Mexico. They who defied and outraged the law, snatching

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it from a man whose life ought to have been

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sacred because it was under society's protection. Barbara's Mexico. They

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those organized assassins of defenseless strangers and oppressed negroes end quote.

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And these protests in Mexico were met with state violence.

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There's one thing the state will do is shut down

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protests even though they're right, you know. And this includes yeah,

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the Mexican state, you know, include all states. Yeah, but

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especially during this time period, because this is during the Portfydiato, yes, yeah,

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and dictator Porfirio Villas. It was very pro USA and

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that's one of the things people were volting against that

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he was just heading over parts of Mexico to US businesses. Yep,

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so not very unsurprising that this is how he met

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the protests. And you know, with the use of the military,

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and during these protests at least three protesters died in

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Mexico City. During protests in Guadalajara, the home of US

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Console member Luther Ellsworth was attacked, so they broke his windows.

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He wasn't attacked, just his house. They broke his windows,

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and another American citizen, Carlos Cathoters cathothers Catheter, Well, it's

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c atot rs. I don't know, I don't know anyway,

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an Americans selling real estate in Mexico got here five anyway,

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This American man killed Jesus Losa and injured fourteen year

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old Prudencio Chavis during the protests. And so despite two

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Mexicans having been shot, one killed by an American citizen

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in Mexico during these protests, the US newspapers reported that

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Americans were in danger due to these anti American protests.

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Yet this man who the last name that sounds like catheter, yes,

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is the one who killed two Mexicans in Mexico, in

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Guadalajada somewhere he shouldn't even be selling. Really really say yes. Ridiculous, absolutely,

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and so more than two thousand Texan cowboys, including Texas Rangers,

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arrived to protect Rock Springs even though these quote Mexican

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attackers never arrived. I'm sorry. This is also reminded me

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of the Zutsu riots where people not people, but what

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sailors or marines, and I remember what the fuck they were.

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That's gonna be another episode. Sailors. Navy sailors came from

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all over, not only where it happened, because they heard

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that Mexicans and zoot suits were fighting the Navy, the

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sailors when there wasn't even drew. Yeah, the Mexicans were

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00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:44.640
being attacked. Yeah, and then they were arrested for it. Again,

453
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:47.759
separate episode, but this is hundreds of years later, same

454
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:52.759
old story. Oh my god. Precedented times, man, everything is precedented.

455
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:55.519
Everything that has happened, how that has happened right now

456
00:26:55.519 --> 00:27:00.440
has happened before. Yeah, and Mexican officials requested reparations to

457
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.240
the US State Department, but the US was claiming that

458
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:06.960
Antonio Rodriguez was actually born in either Eagle Past Texas

459
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:10.079
or New Mexico and wasn't actually Mexican. So now he's

460
00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:14.519
not Mexican. Now he's Texan, yes, but a bull show. Yeah,

461
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:19.799
And so they reparations weren't due because he wasn't Mexican. Wow.

462
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:23.720
And upon insistence from Mexico and Mexicans in the US,

463
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:27.160
the Edwards County District Court directed a jury to investigate

464
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:29.799
the lynching of Antonio Rodriguez. But the juris did not

465
00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:35.039
indict any mob participants. Oh yes, all white jury. Oh yeah.

466
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:39.400
And it should be mentioned that Lemuel Henderson, the husband

467
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:41.720
of Effie Henderson who was found dead, who caused all

468
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.319
this like lynching, right right? He was a retired Texas ranger,

469
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:49.319
of course he was. Yeah. I understand being angry that

470
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.920
you find your wife in this state. Of course, nobody

471
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:57.559
wants that, but to cause a whole mob of hundreds

472
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:01.039
to kill a man that probably he may have not

473
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:04.559
had anything to do with that situation. Probably was not

474
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.480
the one, could have been sure, but there was no

475
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.119
evidence because there's no investigation. Hm. So you know, for

476
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:15.039
all we know he wasn't the one that killed his wife.

477
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:21.319
You let your anger cause the brutal burning death of

478
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:26.279
a man could have been innocent, right. Also, Lemuel Henderson

479
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:29.680
remarried less than two years after his wife, Effie, had

480
00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:32.799
been murdered. Lemuel, you probably even love your wife. People

481
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:35.920
back then they didn't marry for love. No. No. Also,

482
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:40.400
his wife before Effie, she was fourteen. No, go on,

483
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.839
she was young. But she wasn't fourteen. I'm just bullshitting

484
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.400
young No, no, no, but she was young, that should

485
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:49.480
be said, okay. Also, though his wife before her had

486
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:54.759
died mysteriously, this is his second wife. Yes, wow, yeah,

487
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:58.200
Effie Henderson was his second wife, right, right, right, And

488
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:01.880
again the only witness was his own daughter. And from

489
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:04.000
the beginning there were contradictions. First she said it was

490
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:06.039
a random Mexican, then others said that it was a

491
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:09.319
former employee of theirs who was mad, which honestly makes

492
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:12.440
more sense because more likely than not, more than half

493
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.200
the time women are killed or people ain't know right

494
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:19.799
not strangers. Speaking on that, many believe Lemel Hunterson himself

495
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:22.799
killed his wife, probably, and to get out of his shit,

496
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:26.279
he blamed some Mexican, some poor innocent Mexican. He made

497
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:28.519
up a story about a Mexican. But yeah, some believe

498
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:30.599
it was him because he was known to be a

499
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.119
by the man. Honestly, I'm gonna believe that version too,

500
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:36.240
I was gonna say, bitch you. The only reason if

501
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:37.960
it wasn't him who killed his wife, the only reason

502
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:39.640
he was mad is because he wanted to be the

503
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.960
one to kill her, right right. And today, if you

504
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.720
go to Rock Springs, Texas, different people believe different things.

505
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:48.559
Oh my god, I thought you said there's gonna be

506
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.599
a statue of it of Lemuel Henderson. So I was like, no, no, way,

507
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:55.759
fucking way no. But if you go to Rock Springs, Texas,

508
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:58.720
you will find different versions of the story. White town

509
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.160
members who are descending of the people who were there

510
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:03.440
when it happened. They believe that the lynching was just.

511
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:08.039
Of course they do well Mexicans, Yes, while Mexicans still

512
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:12.960
believe that it was unjust and that Antonio Rodriguez was innocent. Yeah,

513
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:16.880
this like polarizes the town. His tomb says burned at

514
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.160
the stake. But there are no other historical markers in

515
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:22.000
Rock Springs, but there is one in Ladedo, Texas. Like

516
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.680
miles and miles and miles away about the lynching, and

517
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:31.240
corridos and campfire stories have kept Antonio's story alive. There's

518
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:33.920
one version of the story that people so people would

519
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.400
arrive to Rock Spring, Texas for work, and like you know,

520
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:39.799
workers around the campfire would spread the story. And so

521
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:42.599
they spread the story that Antonio was killed for showing

522
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.519
interest in a white woman and as he was burning

523
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.200
at the stake, he cursed the town. And the hurricane

524
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.640
did hit the town years later. Oh wow, and the

525
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:52.680
man who was the man who was said to have

526
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.240
set the first match to burn Antonio at the stake

527
00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.480
died a horrible death during the hurricane. Like I couldn't

528
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.720
find details, but apparently it was gruesome. Like I don't

529
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:04.880
know exactly, Maybe he was like pay Old somewhere, I

530
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:08.519
don't know. Mexicans who were there during the lynching believe

531
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:13.599
that this was Antonio's curse, and honestly I kind of

532
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:16.960
believe it too. And yeah, that was the first lynching

533
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:20.440
that marked the decade of La Matanza. Next episode, I'm

534
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:23.039
going to be diving into one of the worst occurrences

535
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:27.880
of violence. Oh there's more. Sorry, I'm so sorry. Fine,

536
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:32.119
not hating it, but I was expecting only a three parter. No,

537
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:34.759
I can't stop. This is better for me actually, because

538
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:36.480
I have one set of notes on now I can

539
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.400
start another set. Yes, So next episode, I'll be diving

540
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.119
into one of the worst occurrences of violence during this

541
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:52.279
ten year period, the massacre. M my god. Yeah yeah,

542
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:54.480
And hopefully that will be the last part because I

543
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:58.480
am so done, I am so dramatized. Well here you

544
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:01.720
are at least verbally getting it out of your system.

545
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:04.680
That's true. That's true. And also I just want to

546
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:06.640
shout out the book that was my main source for

547
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:10.359
this part alone was the Injustice Never Leaves You because

548
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:13.240
that focuses on Texas. But there's one book that I

549
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.839
actually also need to read so I can use it also,

550
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:18.440
But that was the main one, and I highly recommend

551
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.119
anyone everyone to read it if you're more interested in this.

552
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:23.599
Just you know, if be prepared to be mad. I'm

553
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.319
going to borrow it formulator. Yeah, and I'll be done

554
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:28.359
with this so you can totally borrow it. Anything else

555
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.960
to add before we end the episode, I think the

556
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:32.680
only thing I have to add. I mean, I've shared

557
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:34.599
my thoughts throughout, so I won't go on another rant

558
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:38.240
about colonialism and racism and whatever all of that, but

559
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.680
I will say that if you are enjoying learning about this,

560
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:46.839
for me, I think this history piece is one reason

561
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.000
I like to read historical fiction, and so yeah, if

562
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:52.200
you enjoy we already mentioned it. But if you're enjoying

563
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.880
learning about this, hearing about this, then maybe and you're

564
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:59.480
into vampires also, then maybe you would like vampires. Would

565
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:02.839
note it because it's very much about this, not as

566
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:07.359
much like lynchings, but Texas the Texas Rangers encroaching on

567
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:12.400
Mexican territory, yes, warring against Mexicans for their lands, Mexicans

568
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:18.079
fighting back while there's vampires around, yes, And also a

569
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:21.400
little love story. Who doesn't love that? Yeah, I highly

570
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:23.480
recommend that book. We already yapped about it on a

571
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:27.240
spookatels that does take place during all this, so well

572
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:31.200
a little bit before. But yeah, other than that, if

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