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Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is
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Estoria's Unknown, a podcast where we talk about Latin American history.
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Sometimes it's horrible and deals with tavy topics like raises,
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some corruption, and genocide, but more than that, it's also
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by resistance, power and community. And warning, this episode is heavy.
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It's depressing. Now, oh now, almost like all of our
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fucking episodes. Now, sometimes there's a like nice uplifting message
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somewhere in there, there's a little something of hope. This
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has nothing of that to me, to me personally, because
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like interested, okay, well let's just jump right into this then.
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But trigger warning, it is very heavy, okay, Like it's
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a massacre. So like I'm gonna cry. I cried so yes,
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so at the time of recording, the anniversary of the
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nineteen eighty nine murders of six Jesuits and two civilians
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in at Saint Vralod just took place. It's November seventeenth
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right now, and this happened November sixteenth, nineteen eighty nine,
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and this is now looked back as one of the
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worst incidents of violence during the Salvadoran Civil War, which
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we have talked about before and that's what I'm telling
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you about today, this massacre. Okay, Before we talk about
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that day and the massacre specifically, I do want a
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brief refessional on the Salvadorian Civil War because it's been
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a while. I think, Yeah, what it's been like two
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years or so since our series on San vaalord mm hm.
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So the Salvadoran Civil War lasted twelve years, from nineteen
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eighty to nineteen ninety two, and by the end of it,
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nearly seventy five thousand Salvadorians had lost their lives. And
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we know that a war doesn't just start out of nowhere.
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Right before the civil war officially started, there's there was
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moments of unrest, there was repression, there was inequality, and
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there was already resistance that had been happening for a
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long time. The opposing groups during the civil war were
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the US backed Soulduran right wing government, slash military and
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the robo groups key emphasis on the US fact exactly exactly,
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and the rebel groups which joined together to form La
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Frente Fbundo Marti or the FMLN, which would then become
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a political party after the nineteen ninety two peace accords.
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Like I just said, a few seconds ago. A war
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doesn't start out of nowhere, and the Frente fundo Marti
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that name comes from like an event that directly ties
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into the Civil War. So that incident of myvilence is
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now known as Lamatanza, where the fmlen got their name from.
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And so again we're just gonna go through this brief
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briefly as well Lamatanta, because we cover that way back
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in episode one. But Lamatansa and that event and the
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events that followed Lamatanza directly like informed the Civil War
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and the repression that like never left. Yeah, they shaped
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and as a country. Oh, thank you. Every time I'm talking,
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I just need to stop and let you like say
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what I was saying, because you say it so succinctly.
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One of the things I harp on my interns all
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the time is be more succinct, get to the point,
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get summarizes, summarizes. Yeah, yeah, I know, And I am
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bad at that anyway, It could be worse. Thank you,
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So la Matanza. On January twenty second, nineteen thirty two,
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thousands of indigenous people farm workers armed themselves with sticks,
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mancetes and poor quality shotguns and rebelled against the Ednandez
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Martinez regime. They were led by the Communist Party, which
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includes Agostine Farabundo Marti and others. This rebellion, they overtook
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aciendas and the military barracks in Ahuachapan, Santa Tekra, and Sonsonate,
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and they took control of Huayua, Nawisalco, Isalco and Lacopan.
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When they did this, the rebels they killed no more
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than one hundred people. The only confirmed deaths included twenty
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civilians who all worked at these or who all owned sorry,
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who were all part of the upper class you could say, right,
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and thirty soldiers that's who was for sure. So fifty people,
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for sure were killed by the rebels. It's believed by
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historians that two uprisings occurred at the same time, one
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by the Communist Party and members of the Communist Party
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and one separate rebellion by or uprising by the indigenous
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pope workers. And they just happened to happen at the
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same time, and they weren't like working together to do this,
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but it happened. So in order to suppress this rebellion,
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and sorry they were they were rebellion against like terrible,
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terrible terrible like enslavement type conditions, working conditions right right, inhumane,
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horrible And if you want to learn more about that,
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you can go back to our what first episode, episode
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one episode of the coffee Yeah, the coffee episode, And
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if you want to learn more about it, you have
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sources on that. Yes, they're all listed in the show
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notes always. So in order to surpress this rebellion, the
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Salvadoran military quickly organized and Canadian and United States Navy
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ships arrived because the whenever there's like a working class rebellion,
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you know that the the how would you say, not
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the uphelders, because that's not a word. The rich, the oligarchy,
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the arbiters of capitalism, Yes, will be there to shut
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that shit down. Yes, and that's because who owned the
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coffee plantations, the US, the British, and the Canadian the
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west you could say, yes, okay, So yeah, they arrived
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and they were waiting there in case they were needed.
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But the Salvadoran military took carav It, who was in
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the business of supporting the oligarchics, to carab It, Yes, right, right,
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and so the Chief of Operations formed the Canadian and
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US navies that peace had been achieved and that forty
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eight hundred Bolsheviks were wiped out. That's what they used.
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But this was yeah, and you also did mention there
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was two separate uprisings going on at the same time,
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so like one was a communist thing, which I'm the
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Bolshevik thing is referring to, and then the other group
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was the indigenous people. That's the issue with the imperial powers,
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the supposed democracies, whenever they're trying to stop the spread
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of communism, the first people they are attacking, they're repressing,
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they're violently murdering, or the indigenous people of whatever land
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they are currently trying to Like, well, that's what I
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was gonna say to like no matter what, well like
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relating to that, no matter what, like the working class,
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the indigenous, it's all anti capitalists, and so they put
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that under you know, they label that as subversive as communists. Yeah,
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And just like during this Matanza in nineteen thirty two
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when the target of the state was the indigenous Pepe.
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During the South Duran Civil War, a lot of the
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areas hit the hardest were the rural indigenous areas like
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the Morasan Department Yea. These areas these rural areas. So
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these were not Bolsheviks, these were indigenous people people and
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the exact number is not confirmed, but it is estimated
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that seventy two hours after the rebellion, another twenty five
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thousand had been killed. Wow, all indigenous. Those that were
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not killed in these seventy two hours after the rebellion
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were arrested and then sentenced to death. Anyone with a machette,
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found to have Indigenous features or indigenous clothing was found guilty,
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like this is Jena's side, one hundred percent. Any male
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over twelve years old, and again these are these kids,
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but this is the words they use. Any male over
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twelve years old was a target, like they were considered
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part of the rebels because they were. Anyone older than
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twelve was automatically like guilty, which again you can look
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at and sailor now and say the same thing was
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done during the Civil War. Any boy over twelve easily
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was targeted, was thought of as either taken by the
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military to force them to join, or they were thought
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to be subversive and targeted. And also now, any anyone
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over twelve that looks like a gang member is subject
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to the jails. Savalora right now. So like boys can
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just never get catch a break. Yeah, it's very sad
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and so, yeah, this was literal genocide, Like under the
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definition of genocide, this would have fallen under that. But
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we don't learn about these things, right One plantation, this
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is like an incident of the violence that followed the rebellion.
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One plantation owner told his employees to come to the
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plantation so they could receive identification cards that would identify
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them as indigenous. And when they arrived to receive these
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identification cards, they were all killed, all of them, just
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right there on the spot, five hundred on the coffee plantation.
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People were forced to dig mass graves, then killed and
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thrown in those graves. They had to dig themselves. They
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were forced to dig their own graves. Yeah, yes, this yeah,
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this was a genocide of the people speaking people in
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so many were killed and those that survived had to
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abandon their traditions in order to avoid death and persecution.
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By the end, at least forty thousand. Additionally, from aside
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from that, seventy two hours were killed during this at
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that time, and it was in it till twenty ten
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that the South During government acknowledged that this happened and
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apologized for the genocide. This rebellion directly contributed to the
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factors that led to the South during Civil War, because
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as we said back then in episode one, all of
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this was done to keep the oligarchs happy, to keep
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capitalism going, to stop communism. The conditions that led to
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the rebellion in nineteen thirty two didn't change the economy.
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That inequality, income, inequality, like it only grew. Yeah, yeah,
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and so yeah, that's those are the kind of things
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that led to the civil war in the nineteen eighty
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or some say nineteen seventy nine. But the people were
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still being repressed, like those same things that the government
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put in place back then, they kept doing it and
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they kept adding on more and more things. So yeah,
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back to the civil war. Some say it began officially
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in nineteen eighty, but again, periods of violence were happening
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as early as nineteen seventy seven leading up to the
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civil war, not that far into the actual civil war.
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So like early nineteen eighties, there were already growing reports
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of human rights violations committed by the Salvadoran military. We've
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already talked about the archbishop of Nzarabador now canonized Saint
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Osca Romero, who in nineteen eighty published a public letter
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where he urged Jimmy Carter to stop sending money to
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the Salvadoran armed forces because the Salva Duran armed forces
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were only repressing their people and defending the interests of
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the oligarchy, and that this money was going straight to
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the hands of the forces that were violating the rights
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of the Solidarian people. Like the letter says all this,
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and this was early, early into the civil war, but no,
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the money kept being fluttered into it. Yeah, and this
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letter was one of the many reasons that Oskarmnos's assassination
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was ordered by Major Roberto Dawison, who is the fucking
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bitch who sent his son to the illegitimate state Israel. Yes,
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Israel safe while he to escape the civil war. Well,
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he committed atrocities against the Solidarian people. Yeah so yeah.
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He also would eventually be the founder of ARENA, the
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Nationalist Republican Alliance, and ARENA and FMLEN today are both
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political parties. Uh, and albeit their dying because the New
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Ideas Party was no I say as is taking took
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over completely. I don't. I wouldn't even say it. Is
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taken over. They have taken over. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,
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he is the founder of Varenna and the Truth Commission,
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for which is the was put together by the UN
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to investigate the war basically, and so this commission concluded
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that the majority of human rights violations and civilian deaths
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were committed by the military slash Arenna. Like, this is
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a third party who concluded this, And yet and yet
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there are nay sayers, just like there are naysayers about
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I think there's plenty of evidence for like the Holocaust,
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exactly exactly. So something very common that we have said
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so many times, but that you'll hear people Savadoran say
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today is that both sides were wrong. Both sides, both
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sides did horrible things. And that's just unfactual. It is
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a fact. And I forget the percentage. I didn't like
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go and search for the percentage, but it is high.
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It is high, and you mentioned it in the other
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episodes where we covered this. I have said the percentage
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in the past. Yes, so yeah, they were mostly committed
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by the right wing regime. And this includes the nineteen
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eighty nine killings of the Jesuit scholars, priests, their housekeeper,
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and her daughter, and so now onto the actual massacre,
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now that the context is done. Yes, now the massacre.
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On the evening of November fifteenth, nineteen eighty nine, Coronol
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Guillermo Alfredo Benavidez Moreno, who led the infamous at La
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cart Battalion, met with his officers at the Military College.
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We've talked about the Atla at battalion before, sure, but
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do you want to remind people about them. That's the
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battalion that trained at the School of Americas here in
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the United States, and also the battalion that committed the
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Oscar at Maste. Yes, this, that is correct. This battalion
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was formed in nineteen eighty trained at the School of Americas.
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They were this battalion specifically was responsible for some of
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the worst, the most violent acts during the Civil War,
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and their whole purpose was counterinsurgency. They were directly trained
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by the US. Actually, I'm reading a book right now
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about counter resurgency and the police are police who worldwide
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went to other countries. I didn't know this, oh until
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like recently. Okay, sorry, while while you were talking about this,
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one of the people who trained these death squads and
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the Atla Battalion is the current ambassador in Mexico. Oh,
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I think I heard this. Yeah, I forgot his name.
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I don't remember either, but if you look up current
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ambassador in Mexico, current US Ambassador in Mexico, he was
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training these desquads and he has never faced accountability for anything.
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So throwing that out there, I don't think he has,
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because he's still working. I'm sure right, Like if he had,
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he wouldn't be working, right. Most of these people didn't
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face accountability at all. No, no, so yes, that is
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the Atlakat battalion. And so the officers of the battalion
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met at the military college, and that's where the Colonel
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Benavideesmoreo informed them that the subversive elements were to be