Aug. 15, 2024

The 1948 Los Gatos Crash

The 1948 Los Gatos Crash

The worst plane crash in California history happened in 1948, in Los Gatos. 32 died. 28 of those 32 were Mexican workers who were being deported. These workers were all put in a mass grave together and the grave was marked with the words “Mexican...

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The worst plane crash in California history happened in 1948, in Los Gatos. 32 died. 28 of those 32 were Mexican workers who were being deported. These workers were all put in a mass grave together and the grave was marked with the words “Mexican Nationals”.

On today's episode, Cristina tells Carmen about this tragic crash and one person's journey to give them back their names.

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Sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Los_Gatos_DC-3_crash
https://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/Deportee_1948_crash.htm
https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/plane-wreck-at-los-gatos/
https://www.kqed.org/news/11512311/immortalized-by-woody-guthrie-deportees-who-died-in-plane-crash-are-nameless-no-longer
https://www.unco.edu/colorado-oral-history-migratory-labor-project/pdf/Bracero_Program_PowerPoint.pdf
https://guides.loc.gov/latinx-civil-rights/bracero-program
They Call You Back: A Lost History, A Search, A Memoir by Tim Z. Hernandez

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Hi, everyone.

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This is Carmen and Christina and this is Estodia's Unknown,

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a podcast where we talk about Latin American history. Sometimes

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it's horrible and deals with Tybee topics like this is

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a corruption and genocide, but more than that, it's also

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about resistance, power and community. And we are recording again

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because Carmen did something hit the space bar. I pressed

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the space bar, Yeah, deleted her entire recording. Yeah, so

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this is not new information to her now, Yeah, but

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she's going to pretend.

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I'll do my best.

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Yeah.

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So today it was such a good start too, not

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just kidding. No, it was a mess anyway, So it's true.

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It was a mess.

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Okay, it was a mess.

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So maybe it's better that we're starting over because you

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could hear my children, so you might hear them, but

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you might hear them less right now. So yeah, today

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I will be telling you about the worst plane crash

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in California history. It happened in nineteen forty eight in

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Los Gatos. Thirty two people died, but twenty eight of

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those people went unnamed for decades, and we'll find out why.

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I am talking about the nineteen forty eight Los Gatos

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crash and this was all inspired by an Instagram posts

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that Kreminson me it was by Kultura movement. They shared

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pictures of a monument that will be placed September of

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this year, twenty twenty four. And it also coincides with

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the celebration of a book, They Call You Back, by

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Tim Hernandez, and this book is about those twenty eight

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unnamed victims of the crash. Tim Hernandez spent fourteen years

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of his life finding the names of all the Mexican

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victims of the plane crash, as well as finding their families,

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and so he released one book before this, called all They.

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Will Call You Oh.

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He wrote that in twenty seventeen, and that book is

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the journey of finding the first the families, the first

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seven that he found. Oh wow, the seven families. And

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is this is They Will Call You Back like a

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continuation or does it include like the earlier I think

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it kind of includes both, but also a bunch of

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new information. Oh okay, yeah, I would say more like

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a continuation. It's also such an emotional and spiritual book.

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I almost want to email them and be like, will

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you come and talk about your paranormal experiences? Because really

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he talks about in the book, and again, this is

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something everyone should read because it's just it's so good.

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He just has such a way of talking about his

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own life, what led him to even wanting to investigate

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this and why it's like a calling to him, but

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also tying it to police brutality which affects affected him

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and his family member of also generational trauma. He talks

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about the Walmart shooting of an Abasso in twenty nineteen.

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It's like all the things we I don't want to

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say we love talking about because they are like heavy,

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heavy things, but honestly, yeah, yeah, things that we feel

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called to share, passionate. Yes, And he talks about how

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he feels like they ask him in the book like

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his methodology of like how he found all this, and

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he was like, I think it makes no sense. How

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do I tell them about the methodology of ghosts?

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Because he Wow, it.

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Says they called me they I could feel them, I

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could see them.

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Wow.

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So that's why he needed that, Yeah, yeah, and yeah,

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so that's what the book is about. His journey for

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the other fourteen family members that he found of the

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victims of the plane crash, and the book, I mean

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it's a little pricey because I think it's one of

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those like special release books that are only like you

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want university press. So it was like thirty something dollars,

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oh wow, the ebook. But it sounds like it's worth it. It

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is completely worth it, and I think the paperback hardcover

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was a similar price. Anyway, I just wanted it immediately.

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I didn't want to wait for shipping. Yeah, so that's

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why I got it on the e book. But before

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I get into you know, the plane crash, more into

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the book, I want to talk about the Barracelo program,

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the twenty eight Mexicans that went unnamed. They were part

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of the Bracero program. So in case anyone doesn't know

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the Barcelo program, it was established by an executive order

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the Mexican Farm Labor Program. This was basically an agreement

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between the United States and Mexico which allowed Mexican men

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to work legally in the US under short term labor contracts,

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usually sent to farms or railroad work. So really it

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was like California, Texas, and then like the what do

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they call it, like the Panhandle, like Oklahoma.

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I don't know what they call it.

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So Oklahoma, the farm areas of Washington. So like Yakama, Oh,

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I keep saying Oklahoma because it's like the only other

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kings that I don't know farm labor.

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Let's move on.

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Yeah, fine, okay. So that's where the people on the

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Basseto program were sent to. And this was done because

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during World War Two there was labor shortages in the

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US due to World War Two. That's where all the

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men were and there was no one to work do

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the hard labor.

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In the US.

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And also there were mass deportations of the people that

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were doing farm labor in the US during the Great Depression,

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which also included the mass deportation of Mexican Americans. And

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that's one reason why they needed the Brasseto program right

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to replace the people. Yeah, manpower from both World War

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Two and those mass deportations that happened during the Great Depression.

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And the Bracelo program ended in nineteen sixty four. During

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its run, more than four million Brassettos were brought to

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work on farms and railroads, including our great grandfather Mivelo.

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Yes.

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I asked her mom if she knows where he was

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sent to in the United States, and she doesn't know,

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So yeah, hard to say, but oh, okay, I could

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have wanted at some point she still California. But maybe

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I imagine that then you.

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Probably imagined it.

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Oh wait, hold on, she just sent something else. Oh no,

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masma querloke los traian and Cameona la Pisca Aldon. So yeah,

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she just remembers that he went on a bus and

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that he was farming. Is that word farming? Pegging cotton? Oh,

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peggin cotton.

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Oh okay, so Mississippi.

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There was a lot of cotton farmers. But I don't

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know where the brasseros were sent Oklahoma, Texas.

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Maybe I definitely want to look further into it.

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All we do know is that he told her mom

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when she said she was going to leave Mexico and

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head north to the United States, he told her why

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it's so ugly there.

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He was like, oh no, honey, it's so hideous.

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Yeah, that's all we know about his time as a brascilo.

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We'll find out more more to come on that.

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And there was an agreement between the United States and

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Mexico that there was a set of protocols that would

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protect brasseros from discrimination and poor wages in the US

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and the US of course didn't like at all.

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Maintain that promise per huge.

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Yeah, not a surprise because Brasseros were subjective to discrimination.

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They were charged extra for room and board, their pay

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was deducted, and they were exposed to deadly chemicals. That's

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how they were cleaned because they were considered dirty, which

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we did talk about that a little bit in the

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Bath Riots episode. Yeah, and maybe one of the eugenics ones.

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I'm not sure, probably like briefly.

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Yeah. So now onto the plane crash.

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On a cold winter morning, January twenty eighth, nineteen forty eight,

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a DC three planes departed from Oakland, California, heading to

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El Centro, California. The plane was carrying thirty two people

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and as it flew over Los Gato's Canyon, the plane crashed.

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The plane was only supposed to carry twenty six passengers,

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and probably because they were trying to pack it with

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Mexicans to deport, they overstuffed it and there was thirty

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two passengers on board. This included the pilot, co pilot,

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flight attendant, and the guard for the deportees, and it

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was so crowded that three passengers were seated.

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On top of the luggage. There was no seats for them.

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One hour and forty five minutes after the plane took off,

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it was seen over the hills of Coolinga flying at

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an altitude of five thousand feet. That's when around ten

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thirty am, workers at the Fresno County Industrial Road Camp,

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which also happened to be prisoners working at the railroads,

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they saw the plane. I don't know if the word

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the right word is irony or not, but there's something

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about prisoners being exploited for their labor witnessing this plane

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crash of brassetos who were also exploited for their labor

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and then deported when they, you know, are no longer needed. Yeah,

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just yeah, there's something there. Yeah, I'm glad you pointed

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it out. So as they're looking, they can see a

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trail of white smoke coming from the plane, and there's

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you know, they're all like, well, what's going on because

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that's not a normal. So they're staring, and then they

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see the port wing ripped off. There's a giant hole

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in the plane. They see as passengers fall out of

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this giant hole. Terrible, then the plane and it all

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happened so fast. The plane then caught fire and spiraled down,

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crashing into the Los Gatos Creek as a crash. It

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exploded into a bot of fire and they immediately they

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were following the plane and they ran to them to

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see if there was anyone they could rescue. But no,

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everyone down on impact because again big explosion.

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Yeah.

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Later on it was discovered that there was a fuel

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leak in the plane's port engine fuel pump. This started

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a small fire and then the slip stream fanned the flames.

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In more plane terms, I don't know, but.

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It made the fire bigger.

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Yeah, I understood that fire, big bad, No bueno No whenno.

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It grew into a large fire.

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Yeah.

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And so it turns out that it was also discovered

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that the plane was seven hours late to Oakland because

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it was like not passing or not receiving a safety inspection.

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If it ever got that safety inspection, or if it

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was like rushed, who knows. Maybe, So it's possible that

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it never was never inspected. Something it's never that was

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never made clear. What was shared or you know, was

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that it was seven hours late and it was delayed

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because of a safety inspection, because of some safety issue.

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And then it also turns out and this is in

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the book, there was three more planes that same day

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in Oakland waiting to be packed with more Mexicans to deport.

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And there's another brassero. He was supposed to be on

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that plane, and he remembers he was not allowed to

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board the plane because it was already packed, and he

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ended up going on a different plane, and so he

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watched the plane leave and because then he was still

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stuck there for more hours waiting for their plane to

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be filled and all that. But I mean, I'm assuming

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that that is why there were so many people. They

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just had so many people to deport, so many Mexicans

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to deport. And then another thing that I found was

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like an old newspaper that was like the copied into

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like an old website that's not up anymore, so like

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it was on the way back machine. So I found this,

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but it was like in a newspaper that came out

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from The Times nineteen forty something after the crash, so

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maybe weeks after, I don't know, around the inspection is

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when this thing came out. But basically they were like

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trying to blame the Mexicans that died on the plane

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crash by saying like, well, usually they're taken by bus

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and they chose to get on the plane instead to

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get to Mexico faster. So really like who can be

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blamed for this?

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Wow, that's ridvol.

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The summary of that and the seriously.

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So yeah, the initial reports, like newspaper reports of the

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flight crash, the plane crash, only named four victims by name,

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the pilot, co pilot, flight attendant, and the I n

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S Guard. And again I think I don't remember if

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I said it, but is the predecessor to ice so

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that the guards over watching all the other people being deported,

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So they were Frank Atkinson, Marion Ewing. I think that

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is how you say that in wiong Bobby Atkinson, wife

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of Frank Atkinson, she was the flight attendant, and then

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Frank Chapin, he's the guard. They were the only ones

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named anywhere. The other twenty eight victims, the Mexican Nationals,

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went unnamed for decades after the crash, and I mean,

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you know there's only one reason for that. They just

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they didn't matter to anyone other than there was local

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newspapers that did share some of them, but they were

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in Spanish, so this was still very local, still widely

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unknown and these twenty eight Mexicans that were being deported,

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they were all part of the Paraceto program. The fly

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had been heading to the Ions de Tension in El Centro.

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So they were all buried in one mass grave by day.

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I mean the twenty Mexicans, not the right, not the

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four white people. Yeah, they all got nice, you know,

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they got sent back to their families.

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They were able to bury their.

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Loved ones proper burials, yes, proper burials. The Mexican vesselos

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were all put into the same mass grave. It was

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eighty four by seven feet with two rows of caskets,

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and it was marked with only two words Mexican nationals,

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not a single name. And in a little bit after

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there were twelve of the twenty eight Mexican passengers identified,

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still only by local newspapers. Like they went largely unrecognized

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after the crash. It wasn't until do you know how

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Woody Guthrie.

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Is a name sounds familiar. Yeah, he's like a.

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Famous songwriter country Okay, like so, and actually you should

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look up the song.

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I'll tell you the name right now.

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Deportis is like what it's known as. But the full

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name of the song is plain wreck at Los Gatos.

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I heard the version by Los Lobos, but I've heard

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that patch.

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Oh wait, let's Lobo sing in English?

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Yes, they do. The writer of the book.

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He says his favorite version was the Joanne Bias version

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of the song.

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Can I play it?

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You want to play it?

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Yeah, Dolly Parton saying it.

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Yeah, is that the Virgin you're listening to? No, I

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haven't listened to it yet. Oh sorry, Yeah, well let

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me say this first before you play. So he took personal.

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Woody Guthrie noticed that the Mexican deaths were not reported

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in the same manner, and he took it personally. Also,

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he's just a fascinating person. I feel like people should

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look him up just to read about him. But his

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father was a member of the k k K. There

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was a famous lynching in his town in Oklahoma that

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his father took part in. A black woman and her

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son were lynched, and his father participated in this, and

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he basically went like opposite of his father's beliefs.

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That's amazing, see so.

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Much so that he went and became a farm worker

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in Oklahoma and like worked among Mexicans and you know

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the what were they called, like the o Gee's or

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something like the white people that also worked the farms

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in Oklahoma, and yeah, lived worked among them, and you know,

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wrote poems and songs about them, and like he was very,

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very progressive for his time.

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Gonna check him out.

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Yeah, look him up. I couldn't believe when I read this.

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Okay, I guess I'll listen to his version. He wrote

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this poem and the song, and then a decade later

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a school teacher and his friend Martin Hoffman added the

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melody to it, and then Pete Seeger, a country singer,

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started to sing it at concerts, and since then it's

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been covered by Dolly Parton, Bruce Springsteen, The Birds, Joanne Bayez,

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Los Lobos, Countless, Countless.

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Okay, I'll play Dolly Parton's version.

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Dolly Parton, Yeah, okay, man, I kind of finished listening

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to him the song.

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I was crying too much.

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I listened to it last night and I was also

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crying like a maniac. And also the book itself. I

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could really not stop crying. But yeah, that's the song.

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I highly highly encourage everyone to please go listen to it.

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You must, whatever you want, like I had listened to,

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Los Lobos also made me cry Dolly Parton. I mean,

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it's all Dolly Parton. I want to listen to the

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Joanne bias. I'm gonna listen to more versions. Yeah, I'm

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gonna look up every version. Here are some of the words,

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but again, nothing does it justice as like hearing listening in.

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Yeah. Yeah, we just did it crime and cried.

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I didn't have to stop it. Yeah, she couldn't finish

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the song. So goodbye to my Juan, Goodbye Rosita, Adios missa, migos,

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jesus I Maria. You won't have your names when you

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ride the big airplane. All they will call you will

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be deporties. That part.

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But I'm just reading.

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Well, I wasn't balling.

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Yep, that's I paused it.

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Yeah. I like to set time for my crime, you

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know what I mean?

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Yeah. Yeah, you can't just cry anywhere, you know.

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Yeah, tim my place. I schedule my breakdowns.

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Yeah, moving on.

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Some of us are illegal and some are not wanted.

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Art work contracts out and we have to move on

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six hundred miles to that Mexican border. They chase us

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like outlaws, like rustlers, like thieves. The skyplane caught fire

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over Los Gato's canyon a fireball of lightning and shook

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all our hills. Who are these friends, all scattered like

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dry leaves? The radio says, they are just Deportiase, is

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this the best way we can grow our big orchards?

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Is this the best way we can grow our good fruit?

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To fall like dry leaves, to rot on my top soil,

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and be called by no name except Deportiase?

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I don't blink away the tears, I know.

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I just oh my god, Like I'm telling you, everyone

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has to listen to the song. And so when the

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song came out, and I forgot to write down when

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the song came out, hold on, it was not long

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after as soon as he heard the crash Actually, yeah,

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is when he.

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Wrote it.

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But it was an until ten years after that that

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it was sung. Oh okay, And so once it started

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making waves, that's when that article or newspaper thing I

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mentioned earlier that was like blaming them forgetting on the plane,

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but really it's the Mexican's fault, Like, yeah, I cannot.

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So that was written in response to the song.

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Wow.

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I just I'm like, wow, that's of course it was.

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But yeah, seriously, like everyone must must listen to it,

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and so if it weren't for the work of Tim Hernandez,

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these people would not be known. He took it upon

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himself to find the names of every single Mexican that

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died that day. That's just amazing, and their families and

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so right now he's been able to find fourteen families.

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Wow.

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But he was the one. And again the names were

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published in Spanish newspapers locally, so he had to go

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like dig all that information. So we're the fat families

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notified when the crash happened. Some and this the book

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goes into it. So some families were notified because of

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people they knew in the area, because I think a

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lot of things, or whether we had to remember that immigration,

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like you know, people migrate in groups from the same town,

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so a lot of the people saw newspapers because they

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were all from the same Like people from the same

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town would end up in the same place working together,

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so they would be the ones to send the clipping,

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the newspaper clipping to the families, or they would say

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I heard about a crash, I haven't seen so and

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so I think he was on the plane. And so

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that was the most that these families knew Wow, that's terrible, Like, yeah,

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there was an obligation from the government to inform Yeah, yeah,

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I'm sure they informed the families of the pilot and

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the you know what I mean everyone, that same compassion

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couldn't be extended to these Mexican nationals. And also, like

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you know, we've said many times, death and bar you.

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They're like a sacred thing. And to not be able

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to do that because they don't even know where their

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families are being buried, or where they were buried, or

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that they were buried in one mass grave, like, it's terrible.

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And so he the author the book again, please everyone

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read it. But he goes into how why he felt

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called to even do this in the first place, his

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whole journey. It's just amazing to see how he felt

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called to find these people and he's still doing it.

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His kids were like babies when he started this work

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and now and I cried when I read this because

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now they see it as their work too.

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They go with.

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Him, the videograph for him, like interviews, they translate.

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They it is their work.

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Too now Like now it makes me think of also,

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sorry to cut off, it makes me think of also

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of Ometo and his son, and how his son is

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continuing Ometo's work too.

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His uh dog.

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I think she said she was three or four when

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he started this, and she's nineteen when the book, this

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new book came out.

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Wow, but they.

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Know why he does it, and they go with him

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everywhere to do these things. In fact, when the first

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book came out, All They Will call You. In that book,

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he chronicles his journey for finding the first seven family members.

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This new book is like, you know the other seven

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that he has found since. And so in the book,

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he's talking about the ceremony that was held for the

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monument that's currently there where they kind of shared the

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names of everyone. So in this first ceremony, his son

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is like nine or ten when they're first sharing like

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the names, and like there's a California senator there, Joanne

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Bias who has sang this song.

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She was there.

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I think it was like four family members that were

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there as well, and it was just this like big ceremony.

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And so they're reading the names of all of the victims.

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And when the first several names are said, he the

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author tim he hears his son whispering something after every name,

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and he's like shush and like this is being recorded too,

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and in the recording in the book, he says, like

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you can see me at this timestamp, turn to my

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son and tell him to stop talking, and he keeps going,

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and at first I don't know what he's saying, but

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then he realizes that his son is whispering presente after

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every single name, and then then his son starts saying

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it a little bit louder. Halfway through the names, he

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just starts saying it louder, and then everyone in the

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room joins him and chance presente as he is.

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Every name is being read off stop.

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Sorry, we had to pause to cry. And again, if

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people don't understand, it's like to me, I understand this

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as like a military thing where if someone has usually

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in affirmation and someone has passed away, their name is

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called and then you say present there, present, like you

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know they're still here with you even though they're physically

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not here anymore. And that's what this nine year old

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men or ten started doing. And then everyone joins him,

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and everyone's crying in the room. As we're crying right now,

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it's just it's it's beautiful because their names were not mentioned,

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they were not remembered, they were not.

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Known, you know.

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Yeah, And now here they are in a room with

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some family members presence, and this little boy just saying

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with all his emotions something about kids because they're not reserved, you.

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Know what I mean.

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Like, yeah, it also shows that that he, you know,

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the author, like has just what his kids have understood

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from his work and what he's instilled.

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Yeah, and yes, yes.

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And I just I lost it when I read that

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him many times during the book.

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I'm gonna wait till I go to buy it, but

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I can't wait.

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No, I cannot wait for you to read it. And honestly,

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anyone who reads it, please message me because it's amazing.

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And I don't want to spoil the book by going

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through everyone's story that he shares, because it's just written

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so well and it's so but he Yeah, the people

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he finds, he shares their stories, he weaves them together.

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There was one person, one of the survivor or one

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00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:32.319
of the victims of the crash.

472
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His his name.

473
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Is Benito, his nickname is Benito, and.

474
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His sister is.

475
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:42.720
Like and again there's a lot of just generational trauma

476
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:46.480
that's involved even with him and with these people too,

477
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:50.400
because you know, they were raised right after the Mexican Revolution,

478
00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:56.759
like you know. So these two siblings, their parents, their

479
00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:00.480
mom dies during childbirth, I think that's what it was.

480
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:05.200
During childbirth dies and the dad, like you know, at

481
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:07.359
this point in time in history, men were not expected

482
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:09.880
to raise like their own children. It was either find

483
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:11.920
a new wife to raise children with you, or you

484
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:14.519
give them away. And so this guy gives these two

485
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:18.640
siblings away, two well known friends, and he just you know, leaves.

486
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.240
But that was the expectation, and this they were lucky.

487
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:25.720
These two people that brought them in were good. One

488
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:28.119
was a Lican siato, the other the woman was a

489
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:32.200
mayestra teacher and lawyer. They you know, taught them, raise

490
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:34.359
them well, fedter than well. It was a good, busy,

491
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:39.079
good family. But when she turns sixteen, she says, I've

492
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been here long enough. I thank you for everything you've

493
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:42.400
done for me, but I have to go make my

494
00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:45.480
own way. And she leaves, but she promises her brother,

495
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.799
who she has like they've been always together, She's helped

496
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to raise him. Essentially, this is his mom, you know,

497
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.720
and she they're like this and she tells him, when

498
00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:58.319
I turned eighteen, I am coming back for you like,

499
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:00.000
don't even don't worry, like.

500
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.200
I will be back for you. He holds onto that.

501
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.319
When she turns eighteen the very that morning, she's back

502
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:11.400
on horse with a rifle on her back, her hair braided.

503
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.880
She is a revolutionary. And I want to say this

504
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.920
is actually taking place during the Cristero War. When the

505
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:20.200
people telling the story to Tim, they think it's the

506
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.880
Mexican Revolution, but I think he says it lines up

507
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:26.240
more with the Cristereo War. So she comes back. She's like,

508
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.079
I'm here from my brother. She the woman that has

509
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:31.759
been raising them. She doesn't even like question, and she's like, yes,

510
00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:33.720
let me go get them. He's been waiting for you,

511
00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:38.680
he's been this is his dream. They leave together on horseback.

512
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:44.599
They go join the war effort. Together, she meets a

513
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:48.880
man who's a diver. He becomes like an instant brother

514
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.319
to her brother. The three of them are just like

515
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:55.240
family now, or they are a family, not like family.

516
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:57.920
They are a family now. They you know, make their

517
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:03.559
way across Mexico, making a living. Eventually they end up

518
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.279
somewhere I don't remember where. And he the guy, has

519
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:10.319
already been to the US as a basseo twice and

520
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:14.519
their brother goes with him because it's good money and

521
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:15.759
he's always come.

522
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:16.359
Back the guy.

523
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:19.200
They both are like, well, we'll come back, we will

524
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:23.000
come back. So they go together, but then at some

525
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.160
point they get separated. No one knows how. It's not clarified.

526
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:30.759
The last letter that Benito sent to his sister was saying, like,

527
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:31.960
he's on his way back, but he.

528
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:33.160
Doesn't know where Daniel is.

529
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:36.160
It's assumed that there was some sort of raid and

530
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.839
Benito was caught, Daniel was not. And because Benito writes

531
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:43.240
this letter from the ins detention center he's at, he says,

532
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:44.960
in a few days, I'm going to be back. I'm

533
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.759
born in a plane. But then he's never heard from again.

534
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:50.200
They're the woman that raised them together. They call her

535
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:53.119
Mama Sada, I think is what they call her. The

536
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:56.720
mayestra that you know raised them. She sends her a

537
00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:59.279
letter because she heard of the plane crash from somewhere

538
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.680
else because new spread and there was like a newspaper article,

539
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:04.400
and she sends her a letter like I've heard about

540
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:06.839
your dear brother. I know how much he meant to you,

541
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:09.400
that you two were always there for each other, and

542
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.079
so like my heart is breaking for you right now.

543
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:14.480
And I don't know if you receive these news, but

544
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:16.960
I receive these news from so and so, and it

545
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:20.160
seems that he was on the plane. Wow, and just

546
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:23.839
it's like stories like this were these people they all

547
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.279
have like families that were waiting for them who never

548
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:31.160
got to say bye. Like I just I was amazed

549
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:34.480
by the book and by how he takes every story

550
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:36.559
and I think even shares in the book that it's

551
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:38.359
like so personal. It was so personal to him for

552
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:40.839
the longest time that it really affected his mental health too.

553
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:41.680
Yeah, I'm sure.

554
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.079
And he even went to a kuranda and she was like, oh,

555
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:49.200
they're you're being bombarded with spirits. They are calling you

556
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:51.160
and you need to put them in line, tell them

557
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:55.599
to get in line. And he learns throughout the Kuranda

558
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:58.759
to like ask them to not because they want to share.

559
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:00.480
He says it in the book, they want to share

560
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.440
their stories and I need to tell them, but I

561
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:06.279
need to do it where it's not affecting me so much.

562
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:09.640
And he even says he takes a family to the

563
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:11.920
grave site because he know he knows where the crashes

564
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:17.519
and where the plaque that says the Mexican nationals is.

565
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:20.599
He takes a family and when he's there, he doesn't

566
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:23.200
even tell the family member where the exact crash happened.

567
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:26.480
Yet the family member kneels down at a spa and

568
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:28.440
he's like, oh my god, like I feel and he

569
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:31.599
just like starts crying. And the author he's like, this

570
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.720
is where the crash happened, like he hadn't even told

571
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:38.279
them yet. And the book is just full of moments

572
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:40.839
like that. Wow. And again I don't want to I

573
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.559
don't want to spoil going through every single person. Everyone

574
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:48.680
just needs to read it. But it took seventy years

575
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:53.640
from the crash for their names to be known. Yeah,

576
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.880
seventy whole years and it's all because of one person.

577
00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:57.839
Who cared enough.

578
00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:01.160
Yeah, and of course the family member who've also had

579
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:05.400
to share, you know, these stories, and he's still looking

580
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:08.839
for the rest of the families. But yeah, that is

581
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:15.839
the history of the deadliest or worst plane crash in California.

582
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:18.200
Wow.

583
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:21.319
I mean I can't wait to this event, to go

584
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.599
buy the book and hear all about it. Learn more

585
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:32.079
about this, listen to more versions, listen to the full song. Yes, yeah,

586
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:35.960
all right, Well that brings us to the end of

587
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:40.039
the episode. I really do hope this was one less

588
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:46.160
it's unknown for everyone. I was shocked and not shocked

589
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:48.519
at the same time that their names were never shared.

590
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:49.119
But I.

591
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:53.599
Just can't believe that all the work that you know,

592
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:56.599
he has done to get their names out there. Yeah,

593
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:59.720
and again we'll share the post, the Instagram post that

594
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:02.279
we've that has you know, the information about the celebration

595
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:05.319
that's going to happen in September. And yeah, I mean,

596
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.319
anyone who you know reads the book or is interested

597
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.079
in going. It's, i mean, such an important thing to

598
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:14.440
give back to the families of this crash. Just amazing.

599
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:16.000
I wish I could go, but yeah, I would have

600
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.880
just visited you. So yeah I cannot, but yeah you

601
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:23.039
should go. You should go, Carmen, All right, well, I'm

602
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:25.720
planning on it, but anyway, I was going to say

603
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:28.559
that first, but then I didn't. I said the other

604
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:31.400
thing first, where I was going to say goodbye to everyone.

605
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:35.559
But anyway, yes, I'm planning on going, and thank you

606
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:39.279
everyone for listening. Oh oh, sorry, I do have an update.

607
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:41.279
Oh sorry, I thought you were done because you said

608
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.519
our tangline. I said that, and then I was like,

609
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:45.920
why did I say that's okay, go ahead, leave my bad.

610
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:50.400
We tried to set up a patren I ruined it, yes,

611
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:51.839
and first of all, don't know why you asked me

612
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.680
to do this, well, because you had the email information

613
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:57.279
and you need to google for the information.

614
00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:58.400
I could have asked. I didn't know.

615
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.559
I went about this wrong, and now we're screwed.

616
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:04.160
They're saying it was fraud.

617
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:08.480
Because I longed in later trying to put information and

618
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.720
I put my and know they didn't plan anyway. We're

619
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:13.440
trying to get our patron back up.

620
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:16.720
It was never up to begin with. It was immediately

621
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:17.240
shut down.

622
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:18.160
Yep.

623
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:21.160
So we're trying to get that back up. No, I

624
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.480
keep saying back up. It was not up to We're trying.

625
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:28.279
To get it up after Christina got it deactivated. Yes,

626
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:33.119
So more to come on that, and again, any you

627
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:35.519
know new listeners that have joined us from you know,

628
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:39.759
these recent episodes, you know, thanks, we appreciate it. Only

629
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.200
it was bad reviews because I can't read, or because

630
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:48.880
you know whatever, something silly. So we do welcome constructive criticism. Yeah,

631
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:53.960
not criticism though. One more thing. Cynthia Plo, the author

632
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:57.200
of Lotteria and a bunch of other core books. She

633
00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:02.480
followed us on Twitter, so well cool, yeah, very cool.

634
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:07.240
So yeah that was exciting and yeah all right now

635
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:08.400
okay we're good.

636
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:12.000
Yeah, thank you everyone for listening. We hope this is one.

637
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.519
Let's Estonia Unknown for you and bye until next time.

638
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:25.280
Bye,