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Hi everyone. This is Herman and Christina and this is
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Estonia's Unknown, a podcast where we talk about Latin American history.
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Sometimes it's horrible and deals with tabby topics like racism, corruption,
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and genocide, but more than that, it's also about resistance,
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power and community. And yeah, this is part three of Monsanto.
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Today we're talking about Monsanto and Mexico and Lady Pitch,
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sorry not pick Pitch. Oh. I feel like keep is
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saying back this whole time, so maybe I did betch
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Now though after I found some videos of people saying
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her name. Oh okay, I'm excited. Yeah, and yeah, we'll
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just jump right into it. It's more of the same
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horrible things, so yeah, keep in mind, but also like
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uplifting things the same okay, you know, yeah, literally what
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are like tagline is that's what is going on here?
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Oh okay. Yeah. So in the last couple of episodes
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we discussed Monsanto, their history, how much they suck, how
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horrible they are, then you know, their involvement in Argentina,
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and today we're focusing on Mexico and this historic win
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for the Maya indigenous against Monsanto and the women behind
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it all. Baby Petch so when it comes to Monsanto,
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like other countries in Latin America, the numbers of like
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the things they've done and how much they've affected the
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country is similar to other Like it's similar in Mexico.
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I mean, Monsanto controls seventy percent of the seed market
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in Mexico, which is a lot. Yeah, and this affects
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so much so the food and nutrition that is eaten
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the animals that are eating those same seeds. One study
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found that one hundred percent of children in outland Jalisco,
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which is like one hundred and fifty kilometers, Yeah, one
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hundred of the kilometers south of Guadalajara is where is.
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The study found that one hundred percent of the children
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there were found to have glyphosates in their urine. Oh wow. Again,
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glyphasay is what the main ingredient in roundup is. Oh wow,
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along with eleven other type of pesticides or like toxins.
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Not good. Yeah. Mothers started noticing that their kids were
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all complaining of very similar symptoms headaches, blurry vision, red eyes, nausea,
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and vomiting. And finally, after like so many complaints, investigators
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from the University of Gualahara decided to analyze the urine
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of the kids in Atlan. And so they analyzed one
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hundred and forty six kids in this town and that's
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when they found all this, like that they had this
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much glyphasay and toxins in their urine. So you know, obviously,
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because it's found in their urine, it's like in them,
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in their body and it's making sick. Yeah. And they
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specifically analyzed Elementiero, which is like a farming area in Outland,
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but like this, Elementeero is surrounded by fields, just like
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a Hintina where the town was surrounded by the fields.
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The school was surrounded by the fields. When kids arrived
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to school, the fields were being infumigated with roundup and
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they were also being informigated during lunch. Wow, what the hell?
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And although this study was only done on Elementiero, researchers
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were like, it's probably the same and all these other
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places surrounded by fields. Yeah. The video I watch was
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from twenty twenty and the issue had yet to be resolved.
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I can't find any new information that's pretty recent, too recent. Yeah,
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And the video ended on like an important question how
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many Autulanis are in Mexico, meaning how many other cities
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that we haven't like studied across not just highly school
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but all of Mexico are in the same situation. And yeah,
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I mean valid, very valid for Mexico. It goes back
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to the year two thousand and then, like the whole
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situation worsened in two thousand and nine. Monsanto started growing
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experimental plants of genetically modified soybeans in two thousand and
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then in two thousand and nine there was changes in
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Mexican laws which allowed Monzanto to conduct trials of the
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genetically modified corn in approved regions in Mexico. And so
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those experimental plots they had earlier became like official like
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spots where they were going to do this, where the
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soybeans were going to become round up ready soybeans. So
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this is a huge or was a huge threat to
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Mexico super diverse and unique corn industry. Like the corn
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is just so first like Mexico, and it goes back
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to like you know, pre colonization, but like corn is essential,
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like literally the myth of the creation of man, of people,
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of humans is that we came we were formed from
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a corn, like from maize, So is it called maize.
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It's my e's maize m a z Yeah. Myece in
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Spanish is English. Yeah, in English, it's maze really m
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a I z e Oh Okay, okay, okay, I think
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I don't know. I just thought it was called something else,
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but it doesn't matter. Yeah, anyway, moving on, so sorry.
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Southern and Central Mexico have like long been known as
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the home the home of like the diverse corn. Like
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every year indigenous committees select their best seats to plant
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in the next crop cycle. There's like, like corn just
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looks so different. There's like just a lot of different
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types of corn. Yeah. I just feel like the corn
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kid from TikTok right now, just saying corn and corn.
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But corn is life, like literally, corn is life. So
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they had this process, but then they also have the
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free exchange of seeds with other farmers, which produces the
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very complex diversity of corn. And Manzanto ruins all that
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they're ruined about diversity. Yeah, Monzanto crops would contaminate the
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native corn crops, pollute the environment, destroy biodiversity, poison people,
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and then privatize corn production as well, just like it
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does everywhere. This all worsened in twenty twelve when the
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Mexican government granted Manzanto permits to plant genetically modified modified
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soybeans in seven different states, including Campeche. This led to
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a coalition of activists who called themselves sin mais no
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I payis and their right. I love that the name
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of it. I love our rhyming coalition. Yeah yeah, and
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their goal is to protect and defend the traditional corn
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economy and culture in Mexico. Them as well as the
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the Manda Collectiva and Defensa the mais uh Natinko, so
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the collective lawsuit in defensive native corn. They got together
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and they petitioned the Mexican government to stop the use
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of genetically modified corn because the Mexican constitution in there
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is the right to a clean environment is like a
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guarantee and really in their constitution. Yeah yeah wow, but
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we know, like we know that's not being yeah, always met.
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But in this case they petitioned the court using that
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guarantee and there was a years years long core battle
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that started with you know, their lawsuits, and in twenty
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twenty one, Lopez o Rador announced that by twenty twenty four,
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the cultivation and importation of genetically modified corn would be
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banned in Mexico. Oh interesting, mm hmm, as well as
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banning the use of glifas four. Yeah, that did get
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extended for a little bit, but it's still happening, so
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like they didn't follow it. Oh no, they extended like
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that when it would happen by but yeah, yeah, like
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it's gonna yeah, they're gonna follow it, okay, which I
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mean the fact that something like this yeah was past
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is huge. Yeah, the US not happy about it. Neither
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is Monzonta course, but fuck y'all. Yeah, they Monzanto countersuit
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stating that Mexico had to abide by NAFTA agreements. Oh
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fuck NAFTA too, yeah, which largely has affected Mexico in
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the most negative of ways. Yeah. Yeah, maybe we'll do
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an episode on that one. But it's so huge, like
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it is, no, it is dunting. Yeah, yeah, that's the
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word I'm looking for. Yeah, but they dropped that lawsuit.
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It was like too much, they dropped it. Yeah good,
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So yeah, huge win for Mexico against Monsanto. Another group
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also fighting Monsanto in Mexico were the Mayan beekeepers. When
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the government granted those permits to Monsanto that I mentioned
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earlier a little bit ago, it became very obvious to them,
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the beekeepers, that the crops, Monsanto crops were contaminating local
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honey and killing the bees. On top of that, ninety
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four thousand acres of forest land, indigenous forestland, were destroyed
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for the fields for Monsanto. Oh my god, I hate this,
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I hate like, why do we have to Why does
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like nature and all these like, you know, why does
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it have to be destroyed for money? Again? Money capitalism
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always growth and growth and growth, because that's what capitalism
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is until it goes us all, lady, for real, and
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then we can't escape. Yep. And this is an extremely
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high disfirst deforestation rate, most of which I mean you
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said ninety four percent, right, yeah, no, ninety four thousand acres.
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Oh okay, Oh my god, yeah, imagine that's like it's
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so lot, yeah, yeah, no it is. Yeah. Also most
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of that deforestation illegal of course. Yeah. And so all
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this going on, Lady Beech created a coalition of environmentalists,
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beekeepers and activists called sin trancencios or without GMOs in English. Okay,
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and so more on her, lady Aracelli pech Marie, Okay,
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love it, okay, okay. At Acelli. I know that's her
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mom's name, So we love it, ad Aselli, we do so.
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Lady Araselli pach Marine was born in nineteen sixty five
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in Opelchen, Campeche. She is part of the each Ex
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Mayaca community and she learned the art of honey honey
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beekeeping or sorry begeping from her grandfather, who learned it
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from his father, and so on and on. Just like
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love a tradition, yes, generations and practice of cultivating the
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melipona beacha or the shunan cab, the honey lady be
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Oh that's yeah, different names for it. This bee doesn't
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sting and is key to pollinating the rainforest and it
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is now an endangered species because of all of Monsanto's
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bullshit and this forestation. So for over three thousand years,
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the Maya have been beekeeping the honey lady be How
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long three thousand years? Wow? Yeah. Indigenous yukateg and Chol
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Maya like groups still in the Yucatan region today. They're
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still be keeping these communal lands using modified traditional techniques.
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A little bit more more on this beki being because
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it was fascinating to me. The bees are kept in
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hollow tree sections called hobon and with the two ends
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closed by a stone or ceramic plug, and then there's
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a central hole where the bees enter, so that's like
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the bee nester whatever. The hobon are stored in a
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horizontal position, and then the honey and the wax is
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retrieved a couple times a year by removing the n plugs,
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the plugs at the bottom called banuchos. The average length
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of the modern hobon is between five hundred sorry fifty
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to sixty centimeters or twenty to twenty four inches long,
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and there's a diameter of thirty centimeters and the hole
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for the b entryway is usually lessen half an inch
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in diameter. That's where the pods enter. At the Maya
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site of Nakoum, they found a hobon that dated back
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to three hundred BCE. Wow, that's how long these practices
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have been going on. Amazing, like literally sacred. Yeah, the
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hobone at that site that was found was a lot
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smaller than the modern ones that they're using, but still
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the practice is still like very very similar, just you know,
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modernized obviously. And the labor associated with beekeeping is things
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like keeping the hives away from animals, like armadillos and
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raccoons and then just trying to protect them when the
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weather is like terrible, They stack the hives in an
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A shaped frame and then build this thing called the
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palapa that covers the beehives. So just fascinating to me. Yeah,
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very Even with all the deforestation, Mexico is still one
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of the biggest largest honey producers in the world I
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think like fifth or six like when it comes to
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honey producing, wow. Yeah. And eighty percent of the honey
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eighty percent of those beehives are kept by indigenous communities. Amazing. Yeah,
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and through that, you know, they're still like restorting and
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saving their cultural practices like again three thousand years like yeah,
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absolutely fascinating, amazing sacred, like I just I am in awe. Yeah.
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And obviously also but like this is their livelihood, right,
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and so of course they began to notice when the
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bees started dying in mass numbers. Yeah, the indigenous beekeepers
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blamed Monsanto for the deaths of more than three hundred
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thousand bees. Wow. That's an insane amount. Yea. The loss,
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the economic loss of that was twelve million vessels. Wow.
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And beekeeping is a livelihood of twenty five thousand or
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twenty five hundred two five zero zero zero. I think
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that's twenty five thousand. It's feel right, yeah, okay, pretending
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we said that right, Bicki bean is a livelihood of
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twenty five thousand families in these indigenous communities. It's quite
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a bit. That's why they're making eighty percent of the honey. Yeah.
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And so Lady Pech saw all this and she would
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not stand for it. So this is from an interview
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that I found. But she said the first things I
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began to observe were the death of the bees at
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a massive rate. Why because contrary to what we were
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being told, bees do pollinate soy, which is the Monzanto product. Here, glyphyssate,
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a nerbicide used to control pest, is applied to the
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soyfields at a massive rate. Glyphysite has been categorized as
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a possible carcinogen by the World Test Organization and an
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actual carcinogen by other organizations, and glyphysa is still being
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applied to crops on our land. There are also other
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dangerous pesticides which affect such as this very long thing
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I can pronounce, but it's very dangerous for us decide though. Yeah, yeah,
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these pesticides changed the behavior of bees of my bees.
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Ess what she said. As my bees began to leave
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their hives in search of nectar, they became disoriented, got lost,
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and stopped coming back. Wow. The bees started producing less
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honey because of the disforestation. For soy bees depend on
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these plants in the forest to produce honey. Less forest
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means less honey, which means less money for families who
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keep bees. The killing of our bees has led to
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more poverty in our communities. And yeah, these things like
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it affects everything. Yeah, and these corporations don't. They don't care.
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Less money to corporations, more money to indigenous community and
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family owned not all families. But yeah, you know what
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I mean, you know what I'm saying. I know, I
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know what you're saying. Yeah, I'm not trying Walmart family,