June 12, 2025

La Matanza, the Hour of Blood: the Lynching of Two Teens in Texas

La Matanza, the Hour of Blood: the Lynching of Two Teens in Texas
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The years from 1910 to 1920 are known as La Matanza (the massacre) or La Hora de Sangre (the hour of blood). This violence was committed by state police, vigilantes and military, including the Texas rangers, whose violence was worse during 1915 to 1919. Estimates of the number of dead Mexicans from these years range from 300 to 5000, but it’s not exact because so many murders went unreported.

In this episode, Cristina talks about the lynching of two teens in Texas during La Matanza. The lynching of 14 year old Antonio Gomez and 15 year old Leon Martinez.

This is a very heavy episode, listen with caution.

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Music Credit: Hustlin (Instrumental) by Neffex

This episode was edited by Bex Carlos & Alex Rogpe

Sources:

The Injustice Never Leaves You: Anti-Mexican Violence in Texas by Monica Munoz Martinez
Unspeakable Violence: Remapping U.S. and Mexican National Imaginaries (Latin America Otherwise)
Forgotten Dead: Mob Violence against Mexicans in the United States, 1848-1928
The Lynching of Mexicans in the Texas Borderlands by Nicholas Villanueva

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Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is

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the study I said no in a podcast where we

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talk about Latin American history. Sometimes it's horrible and deals

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with heavy topics like racism, corruption, in genotine. It's also

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by resistance, power and community. Well, we are continuing my

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Inferiating Depressing series here. I have added another episode twit

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at this point, so it's a five parter now it

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is it is this is four right, yeah. So in

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the last episode I shared the context, some context leading

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up to the time period from nineteen ten to nineteen

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twenty in Texas known as an Hour of Blood or

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in Spanish Lauda the Sandre or the massacre Lamat Tantain.

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Like I said in that episode, estimates of the number

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of dead Mexicans from these years range from three hundred

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to five thousand, and it's not exactly exact because so

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many murders went unreported. The Texas Rangers were in the

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habit of just disappearing people, which is something very specific

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to colonalism, right wing state violence. Right. Yeah, that's how

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you lessen the numbers and make something sound less severe

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than it was. On top of that, some of these

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numbers don't always include legal lynchings. So I shared the

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lynching of Antonio Rodriguez, who's considered the first victim of

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Lo Madanza, and I said, I was going to be

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sharing one of the worst occurrences of violence at the

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hands of the Texas Rangers. Yeah, but that's not happening

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in this episode because what I kept reading, there's another

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case that I want to share before that, because this

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also marks an important turn into Namatanza. Like if you

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had to put a marker on significant lynchings during Amatanza,

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not that they were all unimportant, but some that just

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showed how vicious the whole time period was. This is

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one of them, and that's why I wanted to talk

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about it. Wow, And really I should have paired it

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with the last episode, but man, that would have been

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too rough. That would have been emotionally dreaming. Oh my gosh,

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I can't believe you do your notes this. You know

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why it takes me so long. It's because I read

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everything and then I do my notes. Oh no, I

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had This is how I've always done them. You read

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as you go. Wow. Yeah, this is the lynching of

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Antonio Gomez, which is very similar to last episode. Which

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was Antonio Rodriguez in nineteen ten. Okay, wow, and this

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is the case of Antonio Gomez. And again just like

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they'll last several episodes. This is for sure triggering yet

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to me, it is important to know our history. But

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of course, you know, listen with caution or skip this

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episode if you just are not in the space to

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hear this, because yes, this has all been very heavy.

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The lynching of Antonio Gomes took place in nineteen eleven

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in Thorndale, Texas. At the time, eight hundred and eleven

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people lived there and ninety percent of those eight hundred

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eleven were white, mostly German American. It sounds dangerous, very

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for the eighteen Mexicans living in side of Thorndale, Texas.

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Oh my god, I can't imagine being outnumbered like that. Yeah, scary,

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And it's actually scary for us because we're actually discriminated against. Okay, right,

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And the Mexicans who were in the area were all

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either miners, sharecroppers, or railroad workers. Most of them lived

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in camps outside of the town or in the neighboring

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town of Rockdale, which was a little more Mexican. And

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this is where the coal mines were located, and I'm

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sure you might have guessed it, but the situation for

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the few Mexicans living inside of Thorndale was not good.

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They were segregated and they were not allowed to vote.

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They went to different schools if they were allowed to

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go at all. So yeah, the German American population viewed

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themselves as superior to Mexicans. And I will add that

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these German Americans they were like very new to the area,

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like they were like German German. I get confused, So

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like me and you, are we first generation or secretaration?

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I thought we were a first gym because you're the

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first generation born here. Okay, that's what I thought. Okay,

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so if that's the way it works, correct us. They

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were wrong, right, gently? Please? Yes, gently? So if that's

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the definition, then these were first generation German Americans. Oh okay, wow,

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that's so crazy too. The generation before them founded the

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town of Thorndale. Oh, and they assimilated so fast to

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American culture. I was listening to a fascinating podcast. I

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want to say it was from what's his name, Adam

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Ruined Everything, but his podcast is called something Else. I

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think Oh, okay, I think his show is Adam Ruins Everything. Yeah, anyway,

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he has a podcast I listened to, oh factually with

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that or some shit like that. I don't know. I

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don't know. Anyway, there was one episode where they talked

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about assimilation and immigration and they were like the person

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who was the guest, I don't remember they did it,

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wrote a book or if they were researcher in this area,

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but they looked back at it like going back hundreds

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of years, and especially with like white immigrants, they assimilated quickly,

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so it's not only like a German thing. I don't know. Wow,

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this makes sense then, but yeah, they assimilated so fast,

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and so of course they were already like this because

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again it's a European country. But the German American population

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feared themselves as superior to the Mexicans who were there,

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and they often negatively portrayed Mexicans in their local newspapers

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as savages bandits, both in the Thorndale thorn Is their newspaper.

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I'm sorry, really they couldn't come up with a better

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name than that. No, very unoriginal. Yeah, and then the

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Rockdale Reporter and Messenger. I guess that's better. I don't

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know what's up with this alliteration, is my questions. They

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were fans of it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

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In this case, it didn't know. They constantly labeled all Theiicanos,

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Mexican refugees, and Mexican Americans as bandits, even for the

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smallest crimes. They were like these Mexican bandits and their banditry, bandits, bandits,

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bandits mandatory. That's like all they said. Obviously they were

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going to have these terrible views of Mexicans, like yeah,

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because again they're very easily influenced. They assimilated in less

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than one generation. And again this is all taking place

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during the Mexican Revolution, which scares people even more so.

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They painted a perfect us versus them scenario. In this

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area and in this climate is where the Gomez family

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was raising their children, so Antonio Gomez. His father was

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Gabrielle Gomez, who arrived in Texas in eighteen sixty seven

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as a seasonal laborer. For years, he went back and forth,

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working through the seasons until winter, and then in winter

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he would return to Mexico. He married Amelia at some

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point his wife, he continued to go back and forth

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until nineteen hundred. Then she moved down there, and in

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nineteen oh eight their youngest child, Hossephia, was recorded as

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born in Texas. The older five children were probably born

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in Mexico, as again the arrival of the family is

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recorded as nineteen hundred. It is a little unclear, though,

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because in the nineteen ten census Antonio Gomez is recorded

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as Texas Spanish. The Gomez family rented a house near Thorndale,

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so they weren't even in Thorndale. They just rented a

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house near it, and Gabrielle Gomez worked at a nearby farm.

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All six Gomez children spoke English and understood English, but

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they could not read or write it. And so on

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June nineteenth, nineteen eleven, fourteen year old Antonio Gomez was whittling,

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which is like cutting a piece of wood to shape

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it into something. Heard fourteen and I'm already sad. Yeah,

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I don't know. I thought he was going to be

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a man. I didn't think he was in a little

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teen No, fourteen year old. So he was carving a

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piece of wood with his pocket knife. It was around

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seven pm and he was just outside of the Old

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Bank saloon in Thorndale. The saloon's owner, William Stevens, walked

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out of his establishment, and as soon as he saw Antonio,

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he was immediately angry. He took Antonio's piece of wood

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and threw it into the street, and he shouted that

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the sidewalk is no waste basket, even though he's the

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one who threw the piece of wood into the streets.

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Of course, he didn't that. Then he grabbed Antonio and

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threw him into the ground. Then to groups of men,

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one from inside the bar and another from the street.

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They were just walking by, surrounded Antonio, who was still

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on the floor, and they began to call him names.

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Antonio tried to crawl toward his wood carving and then

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get away, but one of the men there, Charles Sees Shang,

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CIEs does that matter, okay? Charles seas Chang declared that

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he would make the damn little skunk quit widling. What

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is it to them? He was just there, he was

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mighty in his own business. It's because they don't want

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us to exist. Since back then and now he didn't,

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snatched Antonio's wood carving from him again and began to

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hit him with it as the group laughed and kept

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calling him names. To defend himself from this attack, Antonio

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grabbed his pocket knife and stabbed Charles z shan Good

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in the chest. This is literal self defense. He's surrounded

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by men, grown men, grown men. He's fourteen years old.

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I don't know in what world this wouldn't be self

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defense today, right, So Charles C's chain fell over and

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died almost immediately right away. Good riddance, bitch. Right, But

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the story the white men told was different. We're too

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scared of before you do, boy, and were so scared

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that we surrounded him a bunch, you girl mean, because

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we didn't want to do We didn't want to street

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like fuck you guys because their little bitches, That's why,

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so they said. Charles went outside and grabbed a piece

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of wood from Antonio and then returned to the saloon.

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When Charles walked back outside again, Antonio was waiting for

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him a knife in hand. As soon as Antonio saw Charles,

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he lunged forward and stabbed Charles in the chest. I

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don't believe that for one second that's the version they told. No,

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not at all. Also, even if that version of the

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event was true and sure, this wouldn't warrant getting stabbed

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to some people. Why was he taking his little whittle

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whatever the hell it's called. Why exactly because they're bullies.

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They're evil little bullies. So the constable immediately apprehended Antonio

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and marched him to the caboos. It's like a one

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building jailhouse with a single cell. And as the constable

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marched Antonio to the jailhouse, locals cheered and offered themselves

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as witnesses for shit. They didn't witness, right, Yes, this

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is what they do to propagate their whiteness. They lie. Yeah,

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they hadn't seen it. None of these people saying they

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were witnesses were there. Wow. And so the town talked

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amongst themselves, and soon the version of the white men

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who were attacking him is the one that spread the most.

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And the constable knee right away that this was something

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that would lend a situation that would lend itself for

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a lynching. And he was like, Antonio, he is this

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young man in front of me. He's too young for that,

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and he would not allow it. Okay. He ordered everyone

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back inside their homes, and he ordered for saloons to

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stay closed, thinking hopefully this them down and they we

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can get through the night and he will just face

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quote unquote the normal justice system, the court, Yeah, which

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was not normal back then or now. But that didn't work.

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The crowd quickly grew to over one hundred. Is there

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a bit of blood Thursday? Racist little demons? Yeah, And

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fearing that the one room jailhouse would not be enough

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to keep Antonio safe from the crowd, the constable snuck

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him out around eight pm. He wrapped the chain around

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Antonio's neck. This is just how they transported people. No why.

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He wrapped the chain around Antonio's neck and led him

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to the home of G. W. Penny, just a bigger

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house that was easier to apparently secure or something or hiden.

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So the plan was to hide Antonio there until the

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constable could secure transport to the county jail in Cameron,

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which was another nearby tent like the biggest town in

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the county, with which had the county jail. And so

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the constable left to do that and Wilford, Wilson, and G. W.

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Penny stayed with Antonio. Somehow, in less than an hour,

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the mob learned where Antonio was being hidden, and they

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demanded Wilson and gw Penny give him up, and Penny refused,

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and he spoke to the mob, trying to be like, no,

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this is wrong. And while Penny was doing this, Wilson

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led Antonio out through the back. Okay, my god, I

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though I'm gonna say Wilson gave him up. No, no, no,

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I mean he's one of the good ones, you know,

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is what I'm saying. Yeah, he tried his best scene

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to offend him and hide him and keep him safe. Yeah.

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So Wilson and Antonio were headed to the oil mill,

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which was a pre planned meeting point where the constable

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would meet them with the secure transport. But on the

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way there three men on foot and one on horseback.

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They're so desperate, so desperate to kill little boy. Yeah really,

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And then they blocked the road and Antonio tried to

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hide behind Wilson, but the man on horseback grabbed the

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chain that was around Antonio around his neck and then

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dragged him. Oh my god. So he was on horseback

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pulling the dragging this fourteen year old Mexican boy all

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the way back to town in tears. I don't know the distance,

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but I read that and I was I was crying

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and mad and I was about to flip my desk,

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but it was too heavy, so they dragged him back

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to the jailhouse. There the mob tried to hang him

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from a ladder that was leaning on the telegraph pole,

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but that did not work. As Wilson caught up to them,

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he saw Antonio nearly lifeless as the crowd repeatedly kicked

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him in the head. Oh my gosh, I can't believe this.

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He was just one man. Then he tried to stop them,

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but he was outnumbered greatly, one man. He was being

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held back as a gre Another group of man picked

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Antonio up again, nearly lifeless, and this time they hung

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him from the actual telegraph pole, and Wilson was unable

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to help. He He felt terrible, but he did report

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everything that he saw to the Justice of Peace. He

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was saying how they were trying to follow the legal

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way to do it, transporting the boy. These men blocked him.

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Then he watched them lynch him, and he gave them names.

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He gave the Justice of Peace would bring Norris. Wilson

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gave him accomplices and the person who actually did the

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hang it. He said, all of it. I'm gonna guess

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nothing happened to these fucking people, and they went on

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to have a little racist children themselves. And look at

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Texas now. If these people had been held accountable back then,

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there would be less racist in Texas today. And that's

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called the butterfly effect. Yeah. As these men finished their

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horrific deed lynching Antonio, they yelled at the now dead

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fourteen year old Mexican boy. They yelled at him, let's

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see if you want to kill any more Germans. And

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to that, I say, wait until World War two. Bitch.

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Oh my god, I'm just like, what the fuck. So

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the constable also, because he wasn't there, he was trying

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to secure a transport. The constable got there and he

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was like, oh my god, I left the chain there.

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Like he came back to to this horrible scene. Oh

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my god. He was upset too. Obviously they should not

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have been transporting people like that, but that's the way

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things were back then, and he didn't think to remove

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it ahead of time. Yeah, and man, I don't know

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right exactly. And so he was the one to lower

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Antonio and remove the chain. And as he was doing this,

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the constable, a group of German American men went to

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the Gomez family home, leave them alone, ordered them to

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leave or they would kill the whole family, their son.

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They just killed their son in the most violent, brutal

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way possible. Yeah, and then they go to them and

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demand them to leave or they'll kill them too. Who

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these people think they fucking are? Man, Yeah, this tells

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you who they think they are for sure. Oh yeah,

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Oh my god. And so fearing for their lives, the

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gomet family did. They went to retrieve Antonio's body, they

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buried him, and they fled. I can't even imagine how

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they must have felt seen him like that. I can't

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trying to think about it is I can't really, it's horrible. So, yeah,

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they went to retrieve his body, they buried him, and

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then they immediately left for San Antonio. And you know,

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it's terrible back then too. I mean, like a lot

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of times people moved and they never came back to

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where they were before, and so like they can't even

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visit the grave site, you know, they can't. And that's

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such an important thing for Mexican families. Yeah, I mean,

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like I know, obviously it's like I mean, important to

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a lot of people, but like I say this as

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a Mexican you don't understand, like, we'll just sit there

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and play music and cry and laugh. Yeah, and it

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doesn't even have to be thea An Mortos, which is

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obviously more special. But yeah, yeah, and they can't do

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that because they had to leave. And surprisingly, unlike the

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other lynjens that I discussed in the past several episodes,

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this one was met with disgust even in the American medium.

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You know why, because those German Americans, these non American Germans. No,

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but that's good. The Dallas Morning News and you know

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what sar I should say. It was the bigger cities

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like San Antonio and Dallas who were appalled, Okay, who

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even now have a reputation of being more liberal than

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other areas of Texas. Yeah, so, the Dallas Learning News wrote,

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the news is not capable of producing anything that could

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express the horror and humiliation that it feels because of

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the crime committed by a mob at Thorndale. They were disgusted.

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San Antonio newspapers reported about the lynching in a similar fashion,

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but nationwide newspapers reported that Thorndale's finest men simply took

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matters into their own hands. Are you serious, what is

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wrong with them? A tradition that is so disgusting, that's

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like fucking gone. A tradition and culture of violence. Okay, yeah,

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when you say what is white culture to me? Violence? Yes,

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I mean I'm sorry from the beginning with Jennis and

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colonization and slavery, yep, and then this kind of shit.

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But it also reminds me of Trump when he when

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the Charlottesville thing happened, and then he was like, there's

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good people on both sides, and it's like, hello, only

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one person with certain instead of believes killed somebody here.

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And they always say that, I always say both sides,

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both sides, and in the end, one side was extremely violent. Yes,

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And of course the Thorndale Thorn fucking stupid name, stupid.

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The Thorndale Thorn responded to this media coverage by Riddina

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Antonio had stabbed Charles Ceashan without provocation, which was not true.

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Even I'm sorry to say, even if he had stabbed

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him without provocation, it doesn't warrant there's a level of violence.

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It warrants a fucking arrest. Nothing would justify this. It

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doesn't warrant Yeah, being brutally brutally killed, Like, that's crazy

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to me. After the Thorndale thorn said that he did

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this without provocation. Antonio did this without provocation. A Winness

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came forward and gave the account that I said, the

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first one where he was just playing with a carving

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a piece of wood and then he was surrounded by men.

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I just can't even believe this, and it happens now,

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you know, in the same age, and it makes me

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think of Trayvon Martin, who, yeah, like this is horrible. Literally,

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what I was gonna say in today's lynch mob is

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the police. Yeah, and that's why we should not join

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the military or become comms because these are the system.

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Yeah no, but I say this as a veteran, so

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that's okay. The witness account led to the arrest of

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the four Thorndale men who did this, which shocked the town.

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Not the lynching. The lynching didn't shock the town. An

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attempt to hold him accountable shocked them. Yep. This is

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what they deserve, Like, I can't believe this, that's what

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shocked them. Yeah, they deserve to be held accountable for this. Yeah, yeah, right,

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And that's the system we have, so that's they're supposed

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to go through the system like come on. So the

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witness was a Mexican l named Antonio, very popular name

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named Antonio Alvarez, of course, and Antonio Alavadez had to

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be escorted to San Antonio because there were fears that

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he was going to be lynched too for providing this testimony.

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So he arrived to San Antonio safely, and him along

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with the family was safe in San Antonio because unlike

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these small tiny towns, there was a large Mexican community

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in San Antonio where they could receive help from organizations

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like La Agroup Basion Protect Mexicana, the Mexican Protection Group.

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I guess what it would translate to. And they helped

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them by providing protection, financial help and organizing a mass meeting.

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And when they announced this mass meeting, they did so

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by passing out flyers that stead of the following. The

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Society has for its general purpose the protection of Mexican

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citizens throughout the state of Texas and for the specific

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purpose bringing to justice the perpetrators of the lynching of

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Antonio Gomez at Thorndale and Antonio Rodriguez at Springs. I

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shared last episode Wait how far apart did these things happen? Oh?

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A year? Well, technically like six months if you look

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at the time period, but they are a year if

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you look at the number alone, like the year it happened,

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like end of nineteen ten and then mid six months. Yeah,

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six months. I guess what do I say? It like that? Oh?

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Oh I see? I see? Yeah yeah yeah, so six

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months apart. Sorry, sometimes i'd be saying shit that doesn't

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making any sing. Wow. Yeah, I was confused a validor

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response anyway, Yeah, six months apart? Like what the fuck

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did she just say? They passed out these fires, and

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they announced a June twenty ninth meeting, and the Mexican

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Consulate begged them not to hold a meeting because they

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were afraid of what would happened, but they did it anyway,

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and more than three thousand people attended the meeting, three

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thousand and During this meeting, they were like, well, what

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what are the ne wow depths? And some people wanted vengeance? Right,

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but then they're like, no, we can't be like them,

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like we're not going to use violence, which is like

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a very Mexican American thing to say, because it gone

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I understand that feeling or mentality of not wanting to

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be like because how many movements have there been within

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the Latino Latino community in the US, and the biggest

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thing is like be respectful, don't be like them. And

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it's like I'm sorry sometimes yeah, yeah, I'm saying. I'm

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saying and you know what, Sorry, I'm gonna go off

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the side a little bit here, but I think sometimes

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we need to act like Mexicans and in Mexico, are

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you gonna say what I've did? You're gonna say? I

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think so. But I don't remember her name, but she's

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a creator on TikTok. Oh May, right, I want to say,

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that's her name, Oh May, Yes, I think so, but

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Oh May. She put out a video where she's like,

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these cultures are very different and like this is not

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what's on the point of the video. But in the

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video she says that Mexicans in Mexico they like they

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actually protest. It's like, real, what you're supposed to do.

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You're supposed to disrupt, write whatever is happening, and like

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that's not a thing here, and that's why the two

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cultures can never be the same. And that's almost why

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we can't even like progress here in the US because

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we don't do it like them, and it's such as

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Mexicans and Mexico it's like Latin America. They all movements

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are like legit. Yeah, but you're not to discredit like

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anyone that's you know, resisting and participating in organizations that

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are opposing yeah, tyranny, brutal immigration policies and things like that.

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But yeah, there's a big difference and the way that

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people respond over there, like you know, they break shit

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over there, but a lot of them are met with

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the same comments about like how that's wrong, blah blah blah.

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So yes, yeah, that's what they were debated in this meeting.

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What do we do? How do we respond? And then

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the end they're like, well, we need to demand justice

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through the justice system. They had a petition where they

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all signed it. They drafted a letter. They send it

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to the US Department of State and the Department of

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Foreign Affairs in Mexico City and Texas Governor Oscar coquit

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replied what the letter, stating that he would send one

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experienced ranger to investigate the situation. And I will say

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as much as I've been sitting on the Texas rangers.

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One of the things they did do was escort people

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to protect them. Like the witness that I mentioned earlier,

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he was escorted by a Texas ranger to San Antonio, Okay,

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to avoid being lynched. But I add that sometimes during

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these escorts they did the lynching themselves. So it's not

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like a thing to celebrate. My god, it's like there's

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like maybe one half decent apple in the bunch, and

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that's why that whole apple a thing. It doesn't work

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for me. It doesn't work in general statistically scientifically speaking. Right,

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While the Mexican community came together to demand justice for Antonio,

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the German community came together to defend the men that

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were charged with the murder of Antonio. Comes because they

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were the finest of Thorndale. Among them, those of the finest,

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I don't want to be any of them, no, exactly.

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Among them was the son of one of the founders

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of Thorndale, of course. Yeah. And they were all part

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of the or prominent members of that community, sons of

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founders or like well connected families. Again Thorndale's finest men. Wow.

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I mean again, if you have a tradition of violence

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and colonialism. Then yeah, that is your finest men, of course. Yeah,

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like that's what you value, so of course you think

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that's just fine and dandy. All four men were indicted

452
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for first degree murder on October twenty four to nineteen eleven.

453
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:27.400
They had separate trials, but jury selection was an issue

454
00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:29.640
because they couldn't find anyone who did not have a

455
00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:34.480
racial prejudice towards Mexicans. Of course. Yeah. Potential jurors were

456
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:37.359
asked if the same standard should be applied to a

457
00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:40.759
Mexican defendant, if the circumstances were reversed, and whether the

458
00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:43.279
punishment for the murder of a Mexican person should be

459
00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:45.640
more or less severe than that for the murder of

460
00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.839
a white person. And every single member of the jury

461
00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:54.160
that they were screening scoffed or like laughed at the suggestion. Wow,

462
00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:57.200
the question, It was suggestion, It was a question. Yeah.

463
00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:01.839
So they all showed clear racial biases, not surprising. Eventually

464
00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:04.480
they found a jury which again it was a racist jury.

465
00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:06.240
So they had to go with the right cist because

466
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.799
there's no other option. There was no one else, no,

467
00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:13.640
unless they moved the trial to like New York location.

468
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:16.519
So yeah, there was like no other jury members that

469
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:18.799
were not racists at all. I forget how many days

470
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:21.319
to find a journey for each trial, because again they

471
00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:25.559
were separate trials. Wow, and each trial for each man

472
00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:29.839
went the same. Witnesses were changing their stories, specifically witnesses

473
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:33.200
that were supposed to testify for the prosecution. Oh they're

474
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:36.559
probably scared. Hell yeah, like the last witness had to flee.

475
00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:42.400
Oh wow, And one by one the men were all acquitted. No, yeah,

476
00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:45.599
buy in all white racist jury. They and family members

477
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.319
sometimes and friends. This is why it scares me. Like

478
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:52.359
people that are founder like descendants of founders like these. Yeah.

479
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.720
How many people who have these kind of founding families

480
00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:59.880
or like a long history in certain areas of the country.

481
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.519
How many of their ancestors can we traced back who

482
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:06.319
participated in some kind of lynch mob like this, whether

483
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:09.559
it was against a Mexican or black person, were Chinese

484
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:14.599
or indigenous person? Yeah, yes, exactly right. And even if

485
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.200
there was no lynching, how many of them held these

486
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:21.480
beliefs defended their family from this kind of shit and

487
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:25.440
they were acquitted. Yes at mat Hill. Like that woman

488
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:29.200
who on her deathbed confessed she went on her whole

489
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:33.079
life with this disgusting racist attitude, knowing she killed, she

490
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:36.119
got a little boy killed. Yeah, with their fucking lies

491
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:40.960
and her fucking racist shit of a family killed that boy.

492
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:43.359
And I off the top of my head right now,

493
00:27:43.400 --> 00:27:45.720
I can't remember what kate became of them, But I

494
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:47.359
don't know. Did they get away with that? I don't remember.

495
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:52.160
I don't remember what it surprised me if they did, No,

496
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:55.279
but yeah, I don't remember. So yeah, like these people

497
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:58.039
that were quitted got away with it. A whole fucking town.

498
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:01.480
Hundreds of people that killed one little fourteen year old

499
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:05.240
boy had their own children that they raised with these beliefs.

500
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:07.920
And this is why we are where we are now,

501
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.079
this is what the same place, This is why we

502
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:13.799
are where we are. Yeah. Now, yeah, I thought you

503
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:15.599
said this is my Roman Empire, and I was like

504
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:19.400
mine two also, So yeah, one by one they were

505
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.880
all acquitted, and the fourth man, the charges were just

506
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.039
dropped against him because they were like, well, this's going

507
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:26.839
to be another acquittal, so why even go through the

508
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:29.519
trial and they just drop the charges. So the lynching

509
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:38.000
of a fourteen year old Mexican boy went unpunished. And again,

510
00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:40.319
this is just one of many lynchings in the state

511
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.279
of Texas. A couple years after this, nineteen fourteen, a

512
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:47.920
fifteen year old fifteen year old Leon Martinez Junior was

513
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:53.680
lynched for allegedly killing Emma Brown, a white woman, in Beccles, Texas.

514
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.759
He met twenty six year old Emma Brown just one

515
00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:59.680
week before she was found dead. The town was shocked

516
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:02.400
when she was found and evidence at the scene showed

517
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.799
that the attacker came from the east. There were bullet

518
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:08.319
holes in her buggy, one in her and she appeared

519
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:10.839
to have fallen from her buggy and then stabbed several

520
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:13.000
times after she had been shot. They found her the

521
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:16.079
next morning and the town immediately started looking for the killer,

522
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:19.640
and because several people saw her talking with Leon again,

523
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.759
a fifteen year old Mexican boy, he became the first

524
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.839
and only suspect because he was talking to her that day.

525
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:29.480
That's ridiculous and this is why mob violent is not

526
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.319
right or vigilante justice is not right, because how do

527
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:35.359
we know this person did it or not. That's why

528
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:37.839
we have a whole system to find this out, yeah,

529
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:42.599
which is flawed, and innocent people are convicted, sentenced to

530
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:45.000
death penalties, which is why we should also be against

531
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:49.039
the death penalty, because if one innocent person is in

532
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.119
jeopardy of being killed by the state, then nobody should

533
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:53.759
be killed by a state, right. I don't care if

534
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:55.799
you get mad, and if anyone gets mad about that, no,

535
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:58.720
I agree. Yeah, And it's the same thing, like this

536
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.160
boy probably had no nothing to do with this woman

537
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.079
being killed. And just because one racist person was like, oh,

538
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.480
a brown boy talking to a white woman, not a

539
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.119
mind watch, yeah, you know what I mean. Like, also,

540
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:12.640
she was twenty six, he was fifteen. It brings me

541
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:14.920
the question, why is she talking to him? That's what

542
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:17.559
I'm wondering. What the hell, what business does she have

543
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:21.680
talking to him? That's a real question. Obviously she shouldn't

544
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:25.319
have been killed. Bet is justation. Yeah, because these boys,

545
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.240
these teenage and we gam I mean, it's like the

546
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:32.920
story of Emma Hill again. Yes, they tried to say

547
00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:35.359
that he was whistling at her. This is a little boy.

548
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:37.559
He probably didn't even look at you know what I mean,

549
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.200
And she made it up. Yeah, it's a hyper sexualization

550
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:46.799
of black boys and Latino boys. Yes, okay, I think

551
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:51.119
that's sorry. We can breathe a little bit. Yeah, so

552
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:53.799
they went looking for him right away, based on him

553
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.880
being seen talking to her for very briefly like minutes.

554
00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:59.359
When they found him, he wasn't even attempting to run

555
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.279
or hide. He was going on about his usual day working.

556
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:04.599
He probably even know what was coming. He boss approached

557
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:06.359
him and asked if he knew anything about a murdered

558
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.720
woman from Saragoza, and he said no, and he went

559
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:12.079
on his way clueless. Really, a group of men surrounded

560
00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:15.119
him as he was eating a watermelon and they demanded

561
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:17.799
that he confess. He kept saying he was innocent, but

562
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.279
the men kept threatening that they would to hang him

563
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:23.720
if he didn't confess. Then, when they promised not to

564
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.880
hang him if he confessed, he confessed. And this is

565
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.799
also why forced confessions are wrong. And these people aren't

566
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.519
even you know, anybody to be demanding confessions from anyone. No,

567
00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:38.319
during his trial, his confession was introduced at the trial,

568
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:41.519
but not the way of getting that confession that ridiculous.

569
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.319
They didn't say he was forced, Yeah, they didn't say

570
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:46.240
he was berated by a group of men that were

571
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:50.759
wailder than him, were not even law enforcement, outnumbered, all

572
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:53.640
demanding he confessed or they would hang him. Oh my god,

573
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.079
that is a confession under threat or cursion is not

574
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:02.480
a confession obviously, No, it's come on, come on. During

575
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.240
the trial, this is the following story that was presented.

576
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:08.440
Emma Brown promised him sex and later they met at

577
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:11.119
their arranged time. But when she got there, okay, so

578
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.960
she was a peto. Yeah okay, but when she where

579
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:17.599
did they get thisation from? It's unknown? Wow, like supposedly

580
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:19.680
from him, but I don't believe it. Ah. Yeah, so

581
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.279
they said, yeah, Emma Brown had promised him sex and

582
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:24.519
later they met at their arrange time. But when she

583
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.960
got there, she said, you sent up a bitch. I'm

584
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.000
going to have you arrested. And he was like, that's

585
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:31.519
not necessary. I'm only there because you said you were

586
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:34.880
going to give me sex. His story doesn't even make sense. No,

587
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.960
it doesn't. Oh my god. She told him she would

588
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.519
kill him, and then she reached for her hip and scared,

589
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:43.119
he pulled out his weapon and shot her. This makes

590
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:47.480
zero sense. Then he went to eat, have dinner and work.

591
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:50.079
Who the hell goes to eat rather to kill someone?

592
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:52.160
I mean, some people do it, I guess, but what

593
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:54.359
the hell I mean? Some people do? But this doesn't

594
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:56.960
make any sense, but that's what they said. He said

595
00:32:57.559 --> 00:32:59.559
during a confession or something. You can't even make up

596
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:01.839
a good fun story because they're stupid and they have

597
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:04.759
no creativity. No, they can't. Yeah, but he has a

598
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:06.920
different version of events, which I'm going to read it

599
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.839
from page eighty four of this book, and which I

600
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:12.839
fully believe a lot more than these stupid people. Yeah,

601
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:16.440
I am fifteen years and two months of age. Oh sorry.

602
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:18.759
They also kept saying he was eighteen. They kept insisting

603
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:20.799
he was eighteen, of course, to make it sound a

604
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:23.480
little more okay, that they're going to kill him. Okay,

605
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:26.000
so he said, I am fifteen years and two months

606
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:28.119
of age. It is not true that I'm eighteen years old.

607
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.200
I was born in eighteen ninety six. I did not

608
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.559
kill miss Emma Brown. I knew nothing of the murder

609
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:35.480
until the Mexican told me about it shortly before my arrest.

610
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:38.160
I never had any relations with miss Brown. I worked

611
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:41.160
in the store and post office at Saragosa and often

612
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:43.559
waited on her selling her some goods. On the morning

613
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:45.960
of the killing, I placed her goods in the buggy

614
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:48.200
and untied her horse. That was the last I saw

615
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:50.559
of her until I viewed the body. They made me

616
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.240
sign that confession. I told them I was innocent, but

617
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:55.240
they told me they would kill me if I didn't

618
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:57.920
sign a confession. I was frightened, and I did it.

619
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.279
They said that Miss Brown was killed about five o'clock

620
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.680
in the afternoon. I could have proved that I was

621
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.519
in the store in that hour, but they wouldn't let me.

622
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.719
I believe him. I believe him too wholeheartedly. Yeah. He

623
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:12.239
was declared guilty by the jury and then sentenced to

624
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:16.599
death pretty quickly after that. Hundreds and hundreds of letters

625
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:19.880
were sent to Governor Colquitt pleading for a pardon. He

626
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.000
was known to party in criminals. He gave out like

627
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.559
a thousand pardons a year and when he was governor,

628
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:26.960
so wow, it wasn't a reach to be like, can

629
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.400
you pardon this boy for something he didn't do? Right? Yeah,

630
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.360
So he received hundreds and hundreds of letters from people

631
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:36.760
in San Antonio, mostly advocating for him still, or to

632
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.079
at least give him a life sentence, but to let

633
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:42.280
him live, not to hang him. But nothing worked. He

634
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:44.960
was scheduled for his hanging on May eleventh, nineteen fourteen.

635
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:48.960
His only request was to wear the Mexican colors when

636
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.599
he was hanged. I I don't know why that did it.

637
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:54.840
This whole thing is horrible, and I think it's just

638
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:58.079
now catching up to me. Also though it happened because

639
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.280
he was Mexican, so of course he's got I gonna

640
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.000
we're the Mexican colors. I'm that's right. Yeah, on the

641
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.239
ridge of tears too. But I'm more mad right now

642
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.639
than angry, So that's why I haven't cried. But seriously,

643
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:15.599
fuck fuck them, Fuck them. He wore the Mexican colors,

644
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:18.519
and he stood on this scaffold and he said he

645
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:20.920
was innocent and a calm demeanor. And he was known

646
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.039
for his calm demeanor the whole time he was in jail.

647
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:26.880
Oh my god, he was fifteen. He was just a

648
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:31.760
little boy. Yes, let's all take a moment together, okay.

649
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.639
And I wanted to highlight these two cases because again

650
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:38.719
they are all the cases that we know of are important,

651
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.199
but these are two of the most well documented. One

652
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:44.400
marking the beginning of the matanza. One just kind of

653
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.920
like showing that it didn't fucking matter like to anyone

654
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:49.960
or any any of them, you know, lynching was legal.

655
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:53.000
His lynching was legal, and it goes to show. I mean,

656
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.559
I don't think we need to remind any of of

657
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.119
our listeners, because you guys are all, you know, geniuses

658
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:03.559
based based g yes. But what's legal is is not

659
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.079
always right. And that's why I wanted to talk about

660
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.599
these two specifically. They're not the same, but in some

661
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.119
sense they are. You know, yes, but they are. And

662
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:16.800
so that's why I pivoted to this for because I

663
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:18.119
know I said I was going to be getting into

664
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.000
the Texas Rangers. I'm not mad at you're pivoting. It's

665
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:22.920
just a little like you're not expecting it and then

666
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:27.000
it happens, which is fine. And even though it makes

667
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:29.800
us mad and we cry and it's infuriating and it's

668
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:32.559
sad that this was done to our people, it's important

669
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:34.760
to talk about these things because these attitudes did not

670
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.599
go away. They remain here, and we're seeing it in

671
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.920
this same age, and now we're seeing it perpetrated by

672
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:46.480
Mexicans too, extra Americans, maybe even the Techanos who were there,

673
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:49.880
you know, during this time and their families continued to

674
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:51.599
be in the area, and now all of a sudden,

675
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:54.360
they think they're not Mexican. But at the end of

676
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:58.880
the day, it doesn't matter how many generations you've been here,

677
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:03.000
you know, to the kind of people that enact this

678
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:07.440
kind of violence, they will never accept us, Like it

679
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:12.000
doesn't matter how deep you lick their boots, you know, exactly,

680
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.559
if you buy into whiteness like it doesn't it's not

681
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:22.599
gonna protect you, it's not gonna save you. Yes, I

682
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:25.199
don't want to go into another like rant, obviously, but

683
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:28.239
I want to say that, like at first, the people

684
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:30.599
that doesn't know their history, they don't have a future.

685
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:32.719
We need to know what happened to us. If we don't,

686
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:36.679
we're out here voting for Trump. Yeah again not Mexican men,

687
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:41.320
but Latino men. And that generalization is who helped him.

688
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:43.519
And again he's just part of a system. He's not

689
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:45.840
even the whole thing, right right, Besides the point, the

690
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:48.239
point is that we need to But and when we

691
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:50.920
talk about like buying into whiteness, like it doesn't mean

692
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.199
like the white person down the street. Whiteness and then

693
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:57.119
of itself is a system, yes, a system of colonialism,

694
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.880
yeah yeah, and uh yeah, colonization, And that's what we're

695
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:03.559
talking about. We're not talking I have white friends. Okay,

696
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.280
hashtag not hall white people. That's not the point though.

697
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:09.639
The point is to learn that this is what was

698
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:12.079
being done to us, and that's why you shouldn't be

699
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.320
voting for the people who were have this legacy right

700
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:18.719
or voting And I'm just gonna I'm gonna stop. And

701
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:22.920
now it's being done in the form of lynching your

702
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:26.360
mom violence. Today, it's ice, it's the cops, you know

703
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.719
what I mean? And what are we seeing Like just

704
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:33.920
this week alone, I've heard, well, within the last few weeks,

705
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:37.639
we've heard of how many teenagers And that's what I

706
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.559
thought of, Like when you mentioned the ages of these boys. Yes,

707
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:44.519
like we've seen teenagers being taken by ice, and of

708
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:48.119
course it happens, but I'm like, I mean, currently, I

709
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:53.280
know the high school junior Marcelo, he was freed, but

710
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:56.800
currently there's a fourth grader being in an ICE attention

711
00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:59.400
center right now, being detained and a nice on his

712
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:02.559
parents away from his parent I'm like, why, Like, nobody

713
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:07.800
should be detained, but why add on that separation? And

714
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:12.000
this legacy of what we're talking about informs what is

715
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:16.760
happening today. Yeah, and yet you see Mexicans celebrating this

716
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:20.599
Mexican Mexican Americans sorry, saying like, oh, they should have

717
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:22.599
kill the Ray Green. It's like, shut the fuck up,

718
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:25.760
Shut the fuck up, just shut up for real. Yeah,

719
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:29.880
I don't. I can't even express how tired I am

720
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:33.880
of seeing this dumb ass shit. Even Oh, dependents knew

721
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:36.159
what they were getting into, they knew the consequences when

722
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:40.239
they brought their children here. They shut up. You're not

723
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:44.239
special because you were born here. You're not special if

724
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:47.800
if your parents came the supposed right way, which I

725
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:51.079
doubt they did. The right way was on a boat

726
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.159
to come and kill all the indigenous people who were

727
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:55.679
here and lynch Mexicans. That was the right way, and

728
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:58.000
then be white and come and just be let in

729
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.039
after that. Yeah, that's the only the right way other

730
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:04.159
than that, like you know, yeah, yeah, and we could

731
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:06.360
go on and on, but we won't. Let's not. You're right,

732
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:08.320
that should probably end because then, well, yeah, we'll go on,

733
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:11.519
and should we should? Yes? Next episode I will be

734
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:15.239
getting into the Texas Rangers and the Botivnid massacres specifically,

735
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:18.000
and then the hearings that follow the Putavinian massacre. The

736
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:22.000
canals hearings. So yeah, that's gonna be the next episode.

737
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:24.719
But yeah, other than that, I don't know. Go go

738
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:28.960
hug a little Mexican teenager, please, whether it's family, friends

739
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.440
like please, no, no, no no, do better than that.

740
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:37.679
Stand up for immigration, immigrant rights. Support your local immigration organizations.

741
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:40.400
If you can't be there in person, you can donate.

742
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:43.239
You can spread awareness so you can speak out against

743
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:47.519
these injustices because these things are wrong. They are wrong. Yeah,

744
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:50.679
don't let anybody make you think this is normal. Do

745
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:54.079
not make anybody make you think that they're going after criminals,

746
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:56.239
and even if they were criminals, don't let anybody think

747
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:59.239
that it's okay to treat anybody in this way. Yes,

748
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.400
thank you, thank you. They are always calling me in

749
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.760
I'm just kidding. Shut up. We hope this was one

750
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:12.239
lesson Storia Unknown for you. Bye bye. Astoria Unknown is

751
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.599
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752
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:18.679
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