Sept. 26, 2024

Cesar Chavez Part Two

Cesar Chavez Part Two

Cesario Estrada Chavez was an American labor leader and civil rights activist.. He co-founded the National Farm Workers Association, along with Dolores Huerta, which later merged with the Agricultural Workers Organizing Committee to become the United...

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Cesario Estrada Chavez was an American labor leader and civil rights activist.. He co-founded the National Farm Workers Association, along with Dolores Huerta, which later merged with the Agricultural Workers Organizing Committee to become the United Farm Workers labor union.

In part two, Cristina starts off with the 300 mile march from Delano to Sacramento and ends with Cesar Chavez' fast. Discussing his first purge, lies about his career, his relationship with Robert Kennedy and more.

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Music Credit: Hustlin (Instrumental) by Neffex

Sources

The Crusades of Cesar Chavez by Miriam Pawel
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/07/the-madness-of-cesar-chavez/308557/
https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/spl/coplonchavez2vv84.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L._Lewis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi
https://www.americamagazine.org/issue/culture/legend-unraveled
https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2015/januaryfebruary/curio/new-biography-cesar-chavez-unearths-grittytruth#:~:text=The%20union%20organizer%20was%20vehemently,friends%2C%20allies%2C%20and%20mentors.
https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/cesar-chavez-complicated-legacy-united-farm-workers-immigration/
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-03-29/cesar-chavez-problematic-miriam-pawel

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Hi everyone, This is Carmen. I was forgetting that part

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to say my name. Yeah, I was like, are you

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going to keep going? Now again? I'm Christina and this

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is Estodia's Unknown, a podcast where we talk about Latin

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American history. Sometimes it's horrible and deals with heavy topics

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like racism, corruption, and genocide. But more than that, it's

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about resistance, power and community. I do have a memorized Wow,

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I still have to look at it. And this is

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a continuation of Sessar Chavis. This is part two and

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there will be at least to part three because I

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am not done. I really wanted to get to the

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Worre's parts of him, like the like the downfall of

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the Union that you know you can say he caused

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and Synanon, the ties to Synony on the cult. So

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we're not sitting on yet. We're not there yet because

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I have so much more to share. So this part

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we're starting off at the march and we're ending at

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the Fast. Starting at the march and ending with the fast. Okay,

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whenever we learn about Sessa Chevis, these are the things

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we learn. Yeah, that there was that march from the

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Leno to Sacramento and then that he fasted. So's that's

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what's we're doing in between. And you know, there's a

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little bit of good and a little bit of bad

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in here, but there's just you know, there's some parts

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that we just can't skip over. I feel wrong skipping over. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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So are we ready? We sure are all right. So,

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like I said, we left off at the beginning of

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the de Leno at the march. Basically the beginning of

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the march is where we were in Part one. So

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by now winter is nearing and everything was against the union.

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Their numbers were dwindling. Less and less people were attending

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meetings paying their dues. Even though the strike itself had

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received so much attention and there were all sorts of

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people volunteering, they needed to do something else because the

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movement was dying down. And if there's anything we know

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just from part one is that Sasa Chavis bringing back movements,

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bringing back things that are dying down. Specialty is going

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to happen. Yeah, his specialty. So the strikers had moved

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from picket lines at the farms to where grapes were

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being transported now, but still that was not enough. So

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this is when Sasa Chavis began thinking, what about a march.

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He had read about a march in China known as

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Mao's Long March, and then of course the famous famous

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Martin Luther King March on Washington. But the idea of

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a moving march was more appealing to Sisa Chavis than

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a march to one location where then there would be

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like a meeting at this location. He was like, no,

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a moving march sounds more grand, more, I don't know,

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heroic or something. So he decided that they would do

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a three hundred mile march from Delano to Sacramento, and

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on the way they would pass by as many farming

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farm worker communities that they could to you know, have

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more people join the march as they're moving. And they

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started with fifty farm workers in Delano and they set

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out to march. This was March nineteen sixty six, and

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their plan was a twenty five day march, fifteen to

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twenty miles each day, making sure to pass through as

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many small towns as possible, and at each stop they

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would read out this thing they called e Plan de

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de Lano, which was written by Louis Valdez. I apologized

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last episode, I called them Steve the whole time. Oh wow,

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the Theatro Campesino creator. Basically, his name is Louise Louis Valdez.

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This is Louise Erasia. Yeah. I don't know where I

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got Steve from, so my bad. I just learned that

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today as I was writing, Like, I was reading my

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book and I said Louis Valdez, and I was like,

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Who's Louis Valdez. And then I googled Louise Valdez and

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I was like, oh, you were like, oh, this is Steve.

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And then I said Steve Valdez, Yes, yeah, And then

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I searched Steve Valdez just to see what would come up,

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and it was some sort of random musician. I was like, Okay,

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someone else, Louise Sleeley, Louis Valdez, Steve. Yes. So the

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Plan de de Lano was written by Louis Valdez, not Steve,

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and the plan or a Plan de Delano, what they

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read out was inspired or took an inspiration from a

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Plan da Yala, which was read by Emilia during the

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Mexican Revolution. So this is what they read. This is

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the beginning of a social movement in fact, not in pronouncements.

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We are tired of words of betrayals of indifference. We

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shall be heard. We are not afraid to suffer in

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order to win our cause. We draw our strength from

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the very despair in which we have been forced to live.

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Our revolution will not be armed, but we want the

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existing social order to dissolve. Our pilgrimage is the match

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that will light our cause, for all farm workers to

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see what is happening here, so that they may do

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as we have done. Inspirational words and it was read

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in Spanish and English at every stop they made, and

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every stop more and more farm workers joined. One thing

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I forgot to mention. As they were leaving Delano, they

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police did like gather to stop them. But with all

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the negative images that were released from Selma that police

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were setting dogs on black activists, hoses, they didn't want

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that attention. So they let them pass, oh, because they're like,

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we can't have more negative publicity, and so they just

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let them go at every stop. Because of this, they

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didn't want the negative attention. A repeat, a repeat, yeah,

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which is surprising because you know they could have just

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repeated yeah. And during the march, Sessa Chavis insisted on

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doing this like the most painful way possible, and I'm like,

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of course, he did very Catholic coded. Yeah. After the

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first day of marching, Luis Valdez like his feet were blistered.

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He's like, all right, I am switching to sneakers, and

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he told Sasa Chavis, like you should too, like you know,

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both our feet are messed up right now. But Sasa

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Chevis refused. The pain was important to him. And of

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course it was look at the books that he took

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its piration from that we mentioned last episode and the

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whole like Catholicism angle and you know everything his mom

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taught him. So yeah, of course. So he went on

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to say, the penance part of it is to me

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the most important thing of the pilgrimage, and he took

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that to His ankles were swollen, he had blisters, He

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even had fevers for two days, and he continued to march.

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At one point he had a cane, oh wow, and

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he described every step like a needle, Oh my god.

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But he kept doing it well, everything for the cause.

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And when the marchers got to Stockton, a man named

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Sidney Korshak, a well known mobster lawyer, reached down to

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Cesar Chaves representing the Shenley Liquor Company. They were ready

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to negotiate. This was a small vineyard in Delino and

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they were losing money as this march went on, and

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the longer went on, their whole operation was going to

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be brought down because this, again it was a small vineyard,

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and so they wanted to sell. But this lawyer was like, no,

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you guys should sign a contract with the union. It's

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going to be good publicity and in the end you're

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going to be able to keep company. And they agreed, surprisingly,

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and so this was signed. Well, they signed this recognition

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agreement which said that they would reach a contract within

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sixty days. And so this was a success. When it

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says such I was returned to the marchers. He stood

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on top of a car and he announced the news.

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But then he said that now we need to move

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on to another target, a bigger company, the did Georgio Corporation.

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This was no small This was not the Shenley Liquor Company.

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This was a huge corporation. These are the big dogs, yes, big, biggest, Yeah,

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I want to say, the biggest growers in California, at

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least at the time. And so yeah, that was their

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new target, but they kept moving and as they were

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nearing the capitol they were now nine hundred marchers deep damn.

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And when they finally made it, they were met with

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the crowd of over eight thousand people. Want they're appointing crowd,

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says I spoke to them very briefly where he said,

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I want to introduce you to someone when we started

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organizing four years ago. In fact, one of the very

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few people that thought this could be done, my wife Helen.

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They all met Helen, who liked to be in the back,

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in the background a little bit, but also was forced

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to be in the background anyway. Yeah, so it's a

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was she silent or was she silenced question? Right, or

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a little bit of both. Maybe. When they got to Sacramento,

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the governor declined the union's request to meet. He was

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at Frank Sinatra's mansion at a party instead. Not surprised. Yeah,

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and then he said, well what about next Sunday And

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then Sasachava said no, it's now or never, which what

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a power move. And yeah, they didn't meet with him.

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They're like, we don't need you actually, Yeah, and this

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only made them look even stronger. All the support they

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had at when they arrived at Sacremento and then Sasad

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Travis declining a different meeting, was like, what if hower

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move because like we're not gonna wait for you, it's

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a long time or not at all. Yes, exactly, and

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so by now, so such I was making national news,

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front page on the New York Times, countless interview after interviews.

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This is when he started to embellish, lie a little

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bit about parts of his life. Oh okay, yeah, so,

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like we already know, he lied a little bit about

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when he joined the Navy to make it look like

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he spent some time in World War Two, which didn't happen.

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He also especially started changing the way he joined the

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CSO and his departure from the CSO. So that's what

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he started lying about. Now he told people he was

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a humble farm worker picking apricots when he joined the CSO.

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We know that's not true. Yes, if you remember from

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part one, he was a lumber handler. When I was

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typing this, I accidentally wrote lumbler and I was like,

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that's not a word. What is the word? And lumber

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handler lumbler lumbler, Yeah, that's what he was working in,

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which was by I mean all accounts a better job

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than farm worker, he made more money, like a higher

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pain yeah, and even a higher role in like society,

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Like it's less dirty work than a farm worker, So

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that's already live number one. He also made it seem

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like fred Ross was begging him to join the CSO,

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like he was tracking him down, like join join, and

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he was avoiding him, which is not how it worked.

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They became friends and then he became involved, right. And

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for some reason fred Ross went along with such a

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version of events, I guess to make him sound more

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important or something. And it is true that he and

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he became a member. He quickly rose through the ranks,

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and he proved to be like an exceptional organizer, and

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he improved it and actually saved it. Yeah yeah, But

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to say he was being begged to join the truth. No. No.

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He also said that he had left the CSO because

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they were not doing enough for farm workers, that they

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were only doing work for middle class Mexicans. And I

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mean this, it's like a half truth because we said

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in the last episode he was becoming disillusioned with the CSO, right,

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and he did have an issue with them appealing more

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to middle class people, right, yeah, but it wasn't a

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complete true truth because on the date that he announced

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his resignation that he was leaving the CSO, the CSO

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had just approved the program to help farm workers. He

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also began telling reporters that he quits on his birthday,

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when really it was like two weeks before. But it's

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way cooler to do something on your birthday, So I

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could I can understand that lie. It is not to

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mention his birthday would become an official holiday within the

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Union first and then naturally like and you know, the

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whole US. It says that to have his day, right, So,

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I think all this just shows what a the way

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he wanted to be viewed like he he had a

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vision and he had no issue manipulating the truth to

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make that vision a reality, right right, And there's no

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denying what an important figure he is. Yeah, to say

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he's like, I don't know, Godlike, I think that's what

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he was aiming for. To b H, he was a yeah,

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he was like myth making Yeah. Yeah. With this newfound

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fame and you know, the march coming to an end,

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the three hundred Mile March, it was now time to

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focus on did Georgio and so, like I said a

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little bit of good, I'm sorry every time you say

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to Georgio, I think it's a Giorna pizza. Yeah, yeah,

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didorn That's why I kept typing Digorno and I'm like,

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that looks wrong. Now I want pizza. So they were

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the largest grower in California, and they also had deep

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ties to Bank of America and they had a history

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of putting down labor stranks with violence, which we already

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talked a little bit about in part one. You know,

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they would hit picking lines with their trucks. M yeah. Yeah.

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Also Bank of America always on the wrong side of history,

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always always right. And so there was a meeting between

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SISA Chevis, higher members of the union and did Georgio

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officials because there's like this whole election process where they

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elect like the union that's going to represent the workers

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or something like that, and so did georgio goal was

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to undermine the United farm Workers during these elections and

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get the Teamsters to win. And we talked a little

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bit more about the Teamsters in our episode about Jesse

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Lopez de la Cruz. Yes, thank you. The Teamsters. The

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Teamsters historically fucking thorough racist. Oh yeah, there are, Yeah, okay.

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They also had a history of signing contracts that benefited

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growers instead of farm workers, and then they take a

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cut of the highest seple. Like famously, the highest staff

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of this union drove fancy ass cars. They just they

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were not for the worker right ever in there since

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their inception. And so during this meeting where they were

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meeting with these officials to talk about this election that

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was coming up, there was picket lines going on as

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well already. So a security guard card for did Georgio

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took out his gun and pointed it at the picket line,

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and so a member of the farm workers, her name

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was Ida Casino, she was like, this is illegal, and

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she announced that she was going to make a citizen's

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arrest because he can't just point guns at picket line workers. Yeah,

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that's true, it is true. But when she said that,

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the security guard like violently pushed her down. So two

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other members stepped in to defend her, and I mean

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then there was like a little tussle, you know, a fight.

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They were defending her. She was pushed and let me guess,

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I'll let you finished before I guess you're probably correcting

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your guests. So when they heard about this, like someone

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came and interrupted the meeting to tell them this was

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happening at the picket line. So then Sisa Shabis canceled

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all negotiations with did Georgio and left. But then he

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called a meeting, and at this meeting he yelled at

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the farm workers of the union that they shouldn't meet

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the violence of the growers with violence. When these poor

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stitched up farm workers were like, well, she was being hurt.

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Were we supposed to do? We were defending her, he

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just you know, continued berating them. He's like, let her

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get rocked. Apparently, like what would you have them to?

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I thought he was going to kick them out of

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the whole movement, you would, well that's coming nah in

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a little bit, Okay, I was right then, Yeah, And

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so poor Ida, because you know, was sitting there crying

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while he borerates everyone that's fucked up. Like I understand,

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you know, wanting to keep things or having the mentality

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of non violence or whatever, but that doesn't work. It's

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like that quote from fuck who is it that says it?

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Oh my god, I wish I remembered who said it.

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But it's like non violence doesn't work. If you're a

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pressor does it have morals? Yeah? Yeah, it's funny because

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someone loved to comment on Spotify on one of our

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End episodes about how he was about non violence and

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are you serious he was scoring up in the streets.

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Oh no, sorry who said that? Someone said, I'm not

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sure violence was like a violent uprising, wasn't the answer?

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All Ended did not believe in violent revolution. That was

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one of his major things when he was older. But

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in his youth he was scroying up on the streets

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against the exact right wing. So when and in that

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episode we said sometimes it's necessary, and someone said non

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violence is always an answer. It's not. It's not. Without

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Without violence, we would never have the forty hour work week,

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we would never have time off. Like the reason we

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have the work the few the limited workers rights that

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we have. There was legit massacres against workers. Yeah, the

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reason we don't have child labor violence like stop it. Yeah,

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sometimes it was called for, like they had a right

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to defend this woman who was being shoved down by

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this security guard. In the instances where we mentioned violence

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in the Jesse Lopez episode, she also was like, no,

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sometimes it was necessary and it was sometimes it was.

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I mean there's a different famous event a strike, some

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sort of protests that the United farm Workers put on

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during this time where two farm workers were shot by police.

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That's gonna be some episode sometime because I don't remember

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when or where it happened. And so yeah, I mean,

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like I was saying, sometimes you have to meet it

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with meet violence with violence. Yeah, like it sometimes it's

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just impossible. But no, he was yelling at them for

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helping her. And so during the following months of striking,

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to Georgio growers continue with their violent methods, you know,

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hitting picket line with trucks and so on, the union

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had to get creative about how what they were going

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to do. A lot of workers didn't walk out. They

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continued working in the did Georgia like farms, but they

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were on the side of the United farm Workers. So

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like women that were packing grapes picked the packaging so

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that the grapes wouldn't be rotten faster, things like that,

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they had to like do. And so then there was

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a vote that was announced that the teamsters were winners.

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And it was like at the time Sisar Chavis's people

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the union was striking, they couldn't have that many workers present,

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and so like it wasn't the vote wasn't even right. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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So Cesar Chaves and Dolores Werta they called in like

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every political favor they could to denounce this vote, and

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there was a second vote. And so around this time

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as well, there was a merger proposed between the National

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Farmers Association, which is Saysa Chavis's union, and then the

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a WALK, which was the Filipino farm workers. They'd been

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working together because if we remember, they're the first who

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announced the strike against the greeps. So they've been working together,

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but now it's becoming more and more difficult for them

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to not be become one. So they were now going

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to be the United farm Workers Organizing Committee because they

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were a committee under the afl CIO. I don't know

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what that sounds for. I didn't look at it. I've

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seen that before. You certainly have, yes, yes, many people have.

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Oh it's because you didn't explain it that. I was like, like,

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I feel like, in the tip of my tongue, I

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know what it is, but I can't remember. They're like

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a more official. They're just laughing because you're like, yeah, Okay,

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so let's go to Wikipedia. I'm so sorry everyone. So

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the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations

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so a national trade union center, the largest federation of

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unions unions in the United States, but a history of

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not great decisions, like very anti communists, especially during these years, okay,

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you know, the nineteen fifties, sixties, not really pro worker,

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not all the time, not all the time, I guess, okay, yeah,

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And so like the a lot of members of the

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union were not happy about this merger for their anti

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communist views, even though there was no official communists in

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the in either union because again it was dangerous to

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be affiliated with it, you know, but their struggles, their aims,

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their goals, very leftist in nature. Right. This merger would

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also help the union because they would receive a monthly subsidy,

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which was desperately needed because you know, yeah, striking and whatnot,

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like people need to make money. Yeah, it's expensive. So

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the merger happened, regardless of you know, people not being

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happy about it. So then on September first, the union

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gathered to read the results of the second vote, and

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the Teamsters had through his thirty one votes and the

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UFWOC walk That's what I'm gonna call them. They had

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five hundred and thirty votes. So they went and the

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room exploded in cheers. And so as the grape strike

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entered its second year, Sasarchavis started to bring in new

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people to his inner circle, and these new people happened

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to be mostly white. He sold out. Yeah. People were like, oh,

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they're like, what the fuck? What happened to the white people?

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Are the devil? What about the Mexicans. It got to

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the point where the only Mexican that was in the

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senior ranks of the union was Antonio Ordine, the secretary.

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I mean she had like a different role. I don't know,

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the organizational organizational chart. Yeah, of all this, she was

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always a huge part of it, and at the at

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the top. So Larry Ittleong, who was supposed to be

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second in command, as I said a little earlier, he's

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the you know, Filipino president of the union before it joined,

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So he was supposed to be the you know, second

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in command, but he was often being left out of

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decisions of meetings, and he was growing angry at this

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alienation because then it was also alienating the Filipino members

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of course, and Filipino members were not the only ones

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kind of being set aside. Women members were too, with

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the exception of the rotes Berta and his wife. Some

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of the women who were well, she was she was

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the most objugated, one could say, and other women who

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were like trying to do the extra work. But also

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in the end, they didn't receive as much recognition aside

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from the Rosberta, like Jesse Lopez who we've talked about.

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So and this was intentional. Sisa Chavis wanted them in

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the background. He felt they were better at tedious work

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like note taking. He was a man after all, yeah, exactly,

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and a man who believes in traditional jungder roles and

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even showed off that he didn't even learn how to

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change a diaper. That's fucking embarrassing. He had like eight

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fucking kids. Yeah, that is so embarrassing. Oh my god. Yeah,

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but it wasn't his job. Wow. He only had them

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come out to the forefront to like lead protest when

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it was convenient to the union to put their bodies

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on the line and get arrested. Yeah, when he needs them. Yes, God,

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I was gonna say, like the forty four that were

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jailed in part one. That's when he needed them. And yeah,

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other than the reserta, they were purposely not in leadership roles.

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It was also around this time, nineteen sixty seven that

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Sister Chavis began his first per urge of the union,

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his first perch Oh my god. So he justified these

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this purging by saying that he was kicking out Communist

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members of the union. But there was an FBI report,

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because you know, they're giving tabs on the union and

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such jabs. So the FBI report of the time said

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there was no Communist infiltration in the union. There was

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no communist members. So it was really people he didn't like. Yeah,

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oh my god, I like people that were asking too

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many questions or members that he deemed were not loyal

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enough to him. That is uh cult leader behavior, Yes, yes,

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it is. So. One of the first members he kicked

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out was a woman named Wendy Goebel, and she was

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a member, but also she was with the doctor who

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worked at the Delano Medical Clinic and she had started

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to urge Sasa Chaviz that the clinic should treat everyone,

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not just picket members picket line members, and she was

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like the clinic should be moved to this other place

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where more people that work in the farm, even if

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they're not picking members, can be treated. And that's probably

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why he kicked her out. I didn't want pick and

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members to be treated only them, no, no one else,

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And she wanted more people to be treated. So she

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was probably that was probably the reason she was kicked out,

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not because she was a communist member. Another member that

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was kicked out was Ida Cousino, the one who had

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been pushed down. Oh my god, m hmm. Yeah, and

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the men who defended her probably them too, they I

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it wasn't like a name names that could find hers was.

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But so she had returned from a party. That party

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was thrown by someone named Sam Kushner, who was a

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reporter for the this communist newspaper. But the newspaper had

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always been a supporter of the union. They had always

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reported on their activities, and she was also she was

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also not the only one at the party. Go Lotserta

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was there too. Damn. That just makes the it makes

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it obvious the differential reading behavior or whatever like the difference. Yeah,

447
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and so really the real reason was probably because she

448
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:28.839
had been romantically involved with fred Ross and he didn't

449
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:33.039
like this. But I thought fred Ross was his best friend. Yeah,

450
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:34.960
but he didn't like her with him for some reason.

451
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:38.440
Oh my god. So that's probably the real reason why

452
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:42.000
she was kicked out. Another member, Donna Haber, was also

453
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:45.720
kicked out. He said she was conspiring against union leaders

454
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:48.079
in a meeting. Like. He didn't even kick her out

455
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.319
by herself, like one on one. He invited her to

456
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:52.960
a meeting in front of people. I did it in

457
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.079
front of people. Yeah, and she left this meeting in

458
00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:01.240
tears and confused. Damn, she was not conspire against the

459
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:05.039
union leaders. Wow. And she also happened to be the

460
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:10.839
girlfriend of one Louis Valdez. I'm so confused because I

461
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:13.599
thought he I thought he liked Louis Valdez. What does

462
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:16.720
he want these women with them? Well he did at first,

463
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:20.880
oh did at first? But then so okay, wow wow. Yeah.

464
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:25.400
And a reminder, I accidentally called Louise Steve last episode

465
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:30.079
all last episode. Yeah. So and if you needed a reminder,

466
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:32.319
I think I already said it, but the creator of

467
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:37.119
Theatro Campino. Yeah, and Louise Valdez was not a person

468
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.119
to back down. There had already been existing tension between

469
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.799
him and Sasara Travis, and he was like, well, why

470
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:45.519
are you kicking her out? Like you know, he demanded

471
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:49.839
to know so more on these existing tensions. The theater

472
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.720
Campsino had become a place to like air out issues

473
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.079
through skits. I mean, I mean, what a fantastic use

474
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.680
of theater, I think. Yeah, So such Javis didn't like this,

475
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:04.079
well because they doesn't want anybody to express anything unless

476
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:08.680
they agree with him exactly. So farm workers found out

477
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:13.039
that some of the union staff didn't did actually receive

478
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:16.720
a decent wage while they were still farm workers paying

479
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.880
union dues. And yeah, I mean you have to pay

480
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.920
members of an organization like this, there's no denying that. Yeah,

481
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:28.680
But Sasar Chavis had expanded this myth that the pay

482
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:31.640
was like five dollars a week and that everything was volunteer,

483
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:36.000
that people weren't they didn't have these fancy wages, which

484
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:40.119
is true, but did people Some people, some members were

485
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:44.400
members through other organizations that were receiving grants, so they

486
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:47.960
were able to have like a fifty dollars wage or salary,

487
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.880
while other people are farm workers who have like, yeah,

488
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.680
way less, way less than that. And he created this

489
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.960
myth that everything was volunteer work. If there was way

490
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.720
just if people did receive pay was super super super cheap.

491
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.240
They were sleeping on floors to keep this union running.

492
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:09.680
And maybe if he'd just been honest from the beginning,

493
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:14.200
it wouldn't be an issue, right, Yeah, So when farm

494
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:16.559
workers learned that some people were being paid way more

495
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:19.119
than them, they're like, uh, yeah, they had issues with it.

496
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:23.039
They're like millers, They're like, well, are we paying you?

497
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:28.559
You're being paid yeah, pretty much. So there was you know,

498
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:31.440
skits about this. But also Luis Valdez set up a

499
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:33.920
meeting between farm workers and so such Chaves to talk

500
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:38.119
about this pay difference, and so such Ivis was not

501
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.279
a fan of this. He's a'm not meeting with people

502
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:43.279
to talk about this, and the meeting didn't go well,

503
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:47.880
like surprise, surprise. At the same time, the Theatro Campeesino

504
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:51.400
was getting national recognition and was about to head on

505
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:56.799
a national tour. And you know, at the same time,

506
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.599
the the theater people were like some of the ones

507
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:03.759
that questioned Sasu Chavis the most, the ones who talked

508
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:08.160
about this paid difference the most. They also, you know,

509
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:11.319
there was a rule for no drugs in the union,

510
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.400
and some of them did use drugs. You know, they're

511
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:18.240
theater people, they're not technically farm workers. Yeah, and so

512
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:21.680
such Javis didn't like that they were starting to question things,

513
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:25.480
they weren't following all the rules. So Sis such Chavis

514
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:29.759
told Louis Valdez that the theatro members needed to be disciplined,

515
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.519
and so he told them that they were going to

516
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:37.279
do real work for the upcoming boycott of the Guillomarra grapes,

517
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:41.319
which is the boycott after and so Louise was like, no,

518
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:43.720
we can't. We're about to head on national tour which

519
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:46.279
you approved. And then so such I was is like, well,

520
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:48.799
the needs of the union have changed, Like what's more

521
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:54.279
important your little theater or farm workers? And Louis was

522
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:59.720
insistent that the performance and the tour was helping farm

523
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.359
workers because one I would bring in money, but also

524
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:06.480
it would spread awareness. Yeah, and so he was like,

525
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.559
you know what you need to choose, like the theater

526
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:14.440
people can't receive special privileges. But really he didn't like

527
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:18.119
one that they were not as loyal as what he

528
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.200
saw it as. They didn't they questioned some things more,

529
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.960
they didn't follow the rules as much. But they also

530
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:26.480
had some performances where they were criticizing one of his

531
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:30.960
new inner circle buddies, Leroy Chatfield. And I didn't look

532
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.079
into what the criticism was. I just know that there

533
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:35.319
was criticism, and I'm now I regret it. I'm like

534
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:39.599
wondering what it was. But they were criticizing precise yeah, exactly.

535
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.640
So when Luis Valdez was faced with this ultimatum, he

536
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:45.400
was like, you know what, no, We're going to leave

537
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:48.720
the union. And he felt betrayed because he had always

538
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:51.559
supported the union. You know, he's when he started that

539
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:55.599
through Campetino. He wasn't getting paid. He did it for

540
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:59.759
nothing because he believed in Lacausa as well. So really

541
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.920
it's probably his girlfriend was fired because of his size

542
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.319
to him and that because he would question that, then

543
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:07.559
it would be a reason to kick him out or

544
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.760
force him to leave, which is exactly what happened. And

545
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:15.280
so the theater left and it was becoming clear that

546
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:18.559
SASA Chavis has becoming more paranoid. He would often go

547
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:22.079
on and on at meetings about how members were conspiring

548
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:28.599
against him. Very dictator behavior, very right if cult leaders

549
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:32.119
more appropriate, because this is not like a yeah, you

550
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:39.480
know whatever government right, state leadership. Yeah, very very very cold, Yeah,

551
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:44.199
very cool. And so yeah, the theater Compass, you know,

552
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.079
had gone on their tour. It was wildly successful. When

553
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:50.119
it was over, lis Valdez asked if he could return,

554
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:53.159
if they could return to the union, because he's still

555
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.239
partially believed it was for it was better. Yeah, he'll

556
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.400
accept whatever, as long as he could still be part

557
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.119
of it. And so such jabs told him he would

558
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:06.519
take it to the board when he couldn't just say yeah, yeah,

559
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:10.519
this is like speak for no, yeah, it's not happening

560
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:14.320
because at the end he made all the decisions anyway,

561
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:17.000
so he could have just said yeah, but no, he

562
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.079
said I'm gonna take it to the board. Really, it's

563
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.320
it's in the end. It's because he couldn't control the

564
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.559
theater members and for that reason they had no part

565
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.519
in his union. Yeah, it's it's sad because like this

566
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:33.880
was a way for the Campesinos to express themselves artistically,

567
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:36.880
which they you know, it can't be all about work,

568
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:40.719
work work all the time, you know, Like play is

569
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:46.960
a part of life too, yeah, and art is important, yeah,

570
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.280
but not to him, And so such tabs took that

571
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:54.880
away from the Campasinos. He did. He did, so members

572
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.880
that still had ties to the members that had been

573
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:02.840
kicked out had to choose. It was either leave or

574
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:05.320
cut time to get in line everyone that was kicked out, Yeah,

575
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:08.440
lev Orgatt. Yeah, basically. So like the doctor that I

576
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:12.159
mentioned earlier, his name was David Brooks, there were members

577
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:15.280
that this was their family doctor and had been for years.

578
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.519
They had to either pick a new doctor or leave.

579
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:25.199
Oh my god, yeah, which again is very cool tea. Yeah,

580
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:28.480
so either you know, people that were people were being

581
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:32.760
kicked out, being forced to choose these old relationships or

582
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:37.280
the union. So other people like Bill Esher sure, sure,

583
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.400
I don't know. He had been part of the union

584
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:42.519
for a while, not since the beginning, but shortly after

585
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:44.599
I want to say, the marches or something like that.

586
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.519
For some time now. He left on his own account

587
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:50.440
account because he didn't approve of what SASA Chavis was

588
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:53.960
doing making people choose, kicking people out. He was like, no,

589
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:57.079
this isn't what it was supposed to be, like like,

590
00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:01.599
this isn't right. So he left. After he left, after

591
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:05.559
these purges, it was becoming clear that SASA was distancing

592
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:09.159
himself from people. He was becoming more isolated, more culty.

593
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:14.960
This is also when he announced something called forty acres.

594
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:19.519
Do you know about forty acres? I don't think so. Okay,

595
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.519
it's a piece of land that he acquired in like

596
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:26.280
the outskirts of de Leno, that would become the new headquarters,

597
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:29.199
because according to him, they were outgrowing the old headquarters

598
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:33.840
of the union. It was next to the city dump

599
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:36.880
and it was known as forty acres, already had that name.

600
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:39.480
But he it wasn't just going to be any headquarters.

601
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:44.360
It was going to be the spiritual center of the union. Okay,

602
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:52.320
just getting more culte, right exactly. He wanted a chapel there.

603
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.199
There was already a gas station there that existed, and

604
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:58.440
he wanted to make this gas station that would give

605
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.400
provide gas at a cheaper cost for members, kind of

606
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:06.119
like Costco, you know, but more culty. There was going

607
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:08.079
to be a market, there's going to be a pool

608
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:11.280
for members. These were his grand plans. He wanted the

609
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:15.199
inside to be decorated with quotes from Gandhi in English

610
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:18.679
and Spanish. So still it seems very cultly to me,

611
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.280
it does, it does, And this seemed like something that

612
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:24.679
was not attainable, Like, how would we even do this?

613
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:28.559
Did people even want that? Or did he want that?

614
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:32.599
You know, his more most loyal members were like, yeah,

615
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:34.880
this is a great idea, This would be fantastic for

616
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.559
the union, and other people like Larry Leong was like

617
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:41.440
why yeah, I got a sign with Larry on this one.

618
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:48.239
Same same. So now we're in early early nineteen sixty eight,

619
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:53.920
like January, and union meeting attendance is falling. Previous victories

620
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:56.800
like against the Georgio didn't even matter because they had

621
00:38:56.920 --> 00:39:01.920
mass fired workers anyway after the contract signed, undermining the

622
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:06.440
whole contract. The new target of the boycotts, Guyomarra, was

623
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:09.719
not budging in anything. They had even filed charges against

624
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:12.880
the union stating that there was evidence the union had

625
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:17.800
committed crimes in the name of boycotts, things like breaking

626
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:23.039
into trains that were delivering grapes. So they needed to

627
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:25.599
do something new, and like we knows a sarch Javis

628
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:29.480
is like, if he's going to revive a movement, yeah,

629
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:34.159
he's gonna be big about it. And so this prompted

630
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.679
Saesar Chavis to announce he was going to begin to

631
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:40.360
fast and he didn't console anyone else in the union,

632
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:42.920
of course, because he doesn't do that. He's the leader, right,

633
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.440
he doesn't need to console people. No, he didn't tell

634
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:48.960
anyone who was doing this, And I think when he

635
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:50.920
announced it he had already been doing it for like

636
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:52.880
a couple of days at least, because there had been

637
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:56.199
a some sort of dinner at another member's house and

638
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:58.519
he didn't eat anything. Nobody saw him. They're like, hmm,

639
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:02.559
he's not eating yonder, why the which was odd? Right.

640
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.239
So then after a couple of days after that dinner,

641
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:07.599
there was a union meeting and at this meeting he

642
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.760
announced his fast and Larry Ilion was like, what the fuck?

643
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:12.760
When don't you? You don't even tell me. He's like, bro,

644
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:16.360
you don't tell me anything. It's this apparentship or not.

645
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:20.760
It's not. It was no, it's not no, Larry, it

646
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.400
was not no. So yeah, he was super mad about it.

647
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:27.519
Sister Travis announced this. He talked for like ninety minutes

648
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.519
straight about I don't know things and this fast, and

649
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:32.840
then he left. The meeting was still it wasn't over

650
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:37.480
the meeting. He hijacked the meeting. He hijacked the meeting

651
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:40.119
to make it about the fast. Himself, and then he

652
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:45.880
left the meeting and walked three miles to forty Acres,

653
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:49.519
where he was going to be staying during his fast,

654
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:51.880
and it was like all symbolic to him, like this.

655
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.559
He could have drove there, like he walked the three miles.

656
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.440
Then he could have done the fast at his house,

657
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.000
but no, it needed to be at forty Acres because

658
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.960
he wanted this to be the spiritual center of the union,

659
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:07.800
everything for the myth making yes, And so he left.

660
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.320
Larry had to take over the meeting. He was mad,

661
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:13.400
He's like, why didn't you tell me about this? He

662
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:18.199
called for emotion to make him stop the fast, and

663
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:21.079
you know, people were like, he's playing God, he's playing Gandhi.

664
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:23.920
He can't just do this. Yeah, other people were worried

665
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:27.079
about his health. But the motion failed. But you know what,

666
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.280
even if it had passed, he would have would have

667
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:32.440
kept listen. Yeah, no, he wouldn't because he does what

668
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:37.519
he wants right. And again, like the end result is important,

669
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.119
but it's like the getting there that you're like the

670
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:48.159
enemies you made along the way exactly, Oh my god. So,

671
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:53.039
just like he probably guessed it would, forty Acres became

672
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:57.679
sacred ground. There was a shrine that was put up.

673
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:01.599
People brought portraits of Lavit and the Guadalalupe portraits of

674
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:04.920
their deceased, like family members. They made it. They must

675
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:09.360
have been a fuminge, I would have been. There were

676
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:13.440
like offerings, candles, crucifixes. They had even painted the windows

677
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:15.840
of the gas station to look like the same gland

678
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.559
glass windows from church and all this was within a

679
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:28.519
matter of days. Wow, I mean yes. Then they began

680
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:33.440
holding masks at forty acres. People started doing pilgrigem Oh

681
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:39.639
my god, pilgrimages to forty acres on their knees holding candles. No, no,

682
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:46.519
that's sacrilegious. Nah. And if there's anything about Mexicans, they're sacrilegious, so,

683
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:56.960
oh my god, no no. But if they're gonna if

684
00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:59.119
they're doing something before like Gausa, they're gonna go. They're

685
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:02.360
gonna go all out. Yeah, yeah, all out, which is

686
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:07.239
why this was happening. So if there's like an opportunity

687
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:12.079
to martiat sees and a martiriad like for Reales, yes,

688
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.239
and again the cause it's important, it really is. There's

689
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:18.000
no denying that at all. So then they started putting

690
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:20.320
up across for each day, says that it was fasting.

691
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.559
So then it was like even more symbolic, like this

692
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:26.679
rows of crosses. Right on the thirteenth day of the fast,

693
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:31.199
Sasad was called to court for the charges against the union,

694
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:34.000
but then hundreds and hundreds of farm workers showed up

695
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:36.559
in support and the court was like, we can't hold

696
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.079
court like this, like it's there's too many people. They

697
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:41.639
postponed it for the next day. The next day, same

698
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:46.800
thing happened. The judge couldn't kick out farm workers because

699
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:50.239
then they would look bad. Yeah, like, look at this

700
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:54.000
white judge kicking out all these Mexicans for expressing their

701
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:58.280
free or their right to speech or whatever. You know. Yeah,

702
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:00.760
so he couldn't kick them out, so he postponed the

703
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:05.440
court date for two months. And he also cited Sasa

704
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:08.239
Chavis's medical condition as the reason, because he wasn't looking

705
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:11.960
good after thirteen days of fasting. And you know, some

706
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.079
people point to the timing of the fast and the

707
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:16.760
core as like, m this is why he was doing it,

708
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:20.360
but he says, no, he wasn't doing it for that reason.

709
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:22.199
And you know, it could have been for many reasons,

710
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:26.159
because in the end, the court date was postponed. It

711
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:29.239
got to the pointing where people were asking, begging Sasach

712
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.840
Chavis to eat the fast. Yeah, yeah, that he had

713
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:36.360
done enough, he had sacrificed enough, but he wouldn't. His wife,

714
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:38.960
Helen Chavis was supportive in public, but in private she

715
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:44.360
was mad as fuck, even under walk to the night

716
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.679
he announced the three mile walk. Yeah, she was mad.

717
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:50.760
She was so mad, but she did her duty anyway,

718
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.480
you know, to support him. By the end of the

719
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:57.400
third week of the fast, sa Chavis's own doctor was like,

720
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.400
you need to stop. You're going to cause serious damage

721
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.960
to your kidneys. He's like, yeah, wa damage, yeah, way, yeah, yeah,

722
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:15.000
basically his doctor quote literal quote, yeah yeah, wait yeah,

723
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:20.519
pretty much. So he added in light liquids at first,

724
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.119
and then on March sixth, he announced that he was

725
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:25.519
going to end his fast in four days. But even

726
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.519
the the ending of the fast couldn't just happened casually.

727
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:31.800
It needed to be like a whole announcement, a whole thing. Yeah,

728
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:35.280
so four days would be the end of the fast,

729
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:38.239
and yeah, it was a whole event. A Robert Kennedy

730
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:45.639
even attended as a guest of honor. So yeah, yeah, exactly,

731
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:49.119
he gave a speech says that was handed some bread

732
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:51.719
to break his fast and he ripped it in half

733
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:53.400
and gave a piece to Robert Kennedy and it was

734
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:55.760
like just eat, fool like people just want you to eat,

735
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:59.360
but no, everything has to be like a symbol. Yeah,

736
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:03.039
so he handed Robert Kennedy apiece. He was two weeks

737
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:06.480
to speak, so someone in the Union gave a speech

738
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:11.280
for him that he broke down. Before leaving this event,

739
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:14.559
Robert Kennedy was like walking. It took him forever to

740
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:16.639
get to his plane or car, what car? I think

741
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:19.559
it was a car to get to the car because

742
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.360
of how many people were there cheering Robert Kennedy on

743
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:26.360
When he finally got to the car and he was

744
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:28.880
about to like he was halfway in, he turned around

745
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:32.679
and he yelled Viva Lael, Viva la casa, and just

746
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:38.039
like a sea of chanting and cheering exploded, Like this

747
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:43.039
was such a moment, and I mean for a huge

748
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:45.320
like I feel like we're being silly, but this is

749
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:49.599
of course, it's major, no, of course, And to have

750
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:55.920
a senator uh support this movement like unheard of, and

751
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:59.639
I mean it's a Kennedy like m hm. So that

752
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:07.719
meant a lot back then, now not much. So, yeah,

753
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:10.239
this was a huge deal. So, you know since I

754
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:14.679
left to another member's house to like heal there and recuperate, recuperate.

755
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:18.000
But four days after this meeting, Robert Kennedy announced he

756
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:22.920
was running for president, and Sasar Chavis, there's some insane

757
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:28.280
work to make this happen. Like he went out canvassing,

758
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.519
uh you know, back to his roots, signing people like right, yeah,

759
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:35.679
let go of the coldness and went back to to

760
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:42.400
uh grassroots for a moment. Yeah, And I mean because

761
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:46.119
of him, farm workers came out in the thousands to vote,

762
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:50.599
and Robert Kennedy did win the primary. Can the Latino Yeah,

763
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:54.440
that's a meme. Reminder, Yeah, reminder that we know, correct me,

764
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:57.800
I know how to say it, right, we are reverencing Jennifer.

765
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:02.400
That's a a lexicon. Now, that's not how you say it. Yeah,

766
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.280
that literally is. It's a part of that whatever yeah

767
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:10.840
language now. Yeah, So Susarch Tabas was huge in helping

768
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.400
Robert Kennedy win the California primary. Actually didn't know that,

769
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.960
Oh yeah, huge unless I learned it and forgot it.

770
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.840
But right now, I didn't know that no, yeah, I

771
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.000
didn't either when I was reading, so oh okay, he

772
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:26.800
when there was they were gonna have a party to

773
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:32.639
celebrate this victory, Sisar Tabas wanted mariacci. He requested a

774
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:35.599
mariachi band at the party, and staffords were like, I

775
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:37.840
don't know, and then he sisarch Jabs made sure to

776
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:42.119
say the workers came out and voted give them their mariachi. Yeah,

777
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:46.199
and they they want a mariachi and they agreed, so

778
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:53.719
they hired a mariacci. And so at this celebration, Robert

779
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:56.199
Kennedy even wanted sister Javis at his side when he

780
00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:59.639
gave a speech. Wow. For some reason though, I don't know,

781
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.840
and I couldn't find why Sisuch Javis couldn't be found

782
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:09.360
to stand there interesting and instead that oh wow, yeah yeah,

783
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:12.519
And so she was a few feet away from him

784
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:15.599
when he was Oh my god, I didn't know that.

785
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:19.559
This is when he right, okay, like I I see

786
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.199
what you're talking about now, But I'd be like, we

787
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.000
all learned about this, right, yeah, But I didn't know

788
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:30.280
that was there next to him, or that Robert Kennedy

789
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:33.320
was so supportive of the neither. Yeah, guys didn't know

790
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.880
that either. And so you know, after he was killed

791
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:40.039
at the forty Acres, they put up like it became

792
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:43.719
like a memorial basically where they put up a like

793
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:48.000
a grieving site, you know. And Sisa Chaves was even

794
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:52.639
a pall bear pill pit you know when you feel. Yeah,

795
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:56.559
I've always called her people say Paul Bear, Okay, thank you.

796
00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:58.840
I think so. Sis such Chabas was even a pall

797
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:02.440
bearer at Robert kenn at the funeral. I didn't know either, Yeah, yeah,

798
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:06.480
learning so much, I know, and that's why I'm like,

799
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:11.079
that's why this is so many parts unintentionally because I

800
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:15.000
want to mention everything, and like I like, you know,

801
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:16.760
like we said in part one, this isn't too like

802
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:20.000
cancel or this is just to learn, like like I'm

803
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:24.440
learning good and bad stuff. Stuff I didn't know. Yeah,

804
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:27.639
so stuff like you know, he kicked out a bunch

805
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.239
of members because they weren't listening to him, but also

806
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:34.519
stuff like this. So yeah, I just I didn't know

807
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:36.000
that was wort that was a few feet away from

808
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:38.960
him when I was killed, either, that's it was. And

809
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:42.519
once we were a few feet away from Lotusa we

810
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:44.320
were did we hug her or something? I don't. I

811
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:46.400
don't remember she canceled her I just know she came

812
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:50.679
to her school. Yeah. What's that thing called five degrees

813
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:55.440
of like separation? Yeah yeah, if we were to play

814
00:50:55.440 --> 00:51:02.599
that about Sistar Javis, we would be one degree away. Yeah. Anyway,

815
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:09.119
enough of this, you're right past. So that was the journey, okay, Yeah,

816
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:12.400
because Kennedy, you know, Robert Kennedy was killed two months

817
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:16.199
after Martin Luther King, who actually also sent a note

818
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.679
when he was doing his fast about how inside I

819
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:21.880
didn't know. Oh you did, Okay, I figured you would.

820
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:25.519
I didn't I know stuff, remember, you know some things.

821
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:28.760
So you know, Martin Luther King had been killed. Two

822
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:31.760
months later, Robert Kennedy was killed. The Union was growing

823
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.800
concern something was gonna happen to se Javis. But right

824
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:39.159
before the funeral, which was June sixth, was the funeral.

825
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:43.199
In May, Sister Javis was on the Today Show, and

826
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:46.599
on the Today Show he announced the boycott of all

827
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:52.199
California grapes, the famous boycott. Yeah, and that is where

828
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.800
we will leave this part. Oh my god, I didn't

829
00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:59.760
even like I felt like at first, I felt like, wow,

830
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:02.000
this is like long, only because I checked my recordings

831
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:04.599
to make sure it was still recording, and I was like,

832
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.039
we're like at an hour I already, I think, but

833
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:08.719
then it was just like so much learning that I

834
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:11.440
didn't even feel like that long. Oh my god. And

835
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:14.199
that's that's what we're aiming for here, to make this fun,

836
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:19.760
you know. Yeah, But I mean also too, you know,

837
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:23.639
there's just there's again so much to this. Man, I

838
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:26.360
didn't know, and I will get to sit and on

839
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:29.000
at some point I will, but I can't. I'm not.

840
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.960
I'm still not ready for that. Like I can't even

841
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.079
fathom it, Like I don't know, I can't picture it. Yeah,

842
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:38.000
and even with this part one and part two, there's

843
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.199
so much that I'm leaving out from the book. Everyone

844
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:41.800
needs to check it out. And that's why I want

845
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.920
to read that book. Yes again, The Crusades of Sysi

846
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:51.159
Chavis by Miriam Powell. Yeah. So, but yeah, this brings

847
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:55.199
us to the end of this part two, and I'm

848
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.360
hoping that there's only going to be a part three

849
00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:59.199
that's gonna be the last part, but I don't know

850
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:01.760
at this point. I don't No. Yeah, this has accidentally

851
00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:05.280
become a deep deep dive. It happened sometimes that's what

852
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:11.559
happened with our Chile episode and we had six episodes

853
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:16.719
or something. Yeah, yeah, so that is what's happening. So yeah,

854
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:22.519
anything you want to share before we had this, Nope,

855
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:25.920
anything you want to share, I don't think. So. Just

856
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.880
thank you to everyone leaving comments on Spotify. I approved

857
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.159
some that I just I forgot to check it and

858
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:34.440
there there was some like a across five ish different

859
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:36.840
episodes people leaving comments. So I don't know if I

860
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.039
need to update my Spotify or what. But I'm not

861
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:43.960
seeing the option to leave or see comments anymore. I

862
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.159
think it's slowly coming back for all users. If not

863
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:50.400
that you need to update. Some podcasts needs to like

864
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:53.679
turn it back on too, because again they had like

865
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:55.960
di able there for a while. Yeah, let me go

866
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:59.360
to they started in on specifically to see if I

867
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:01.400
because I can even I don't think I can see

868
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:03.719
people's comments either right now. I can just see them

869
00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:08.360
inside the Spotify real podcasters. Yeah. Now I'm trying to

870
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:11.639
remember which was the the last one I saw a

871
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:14.280
comment on, just to check that specific one, but I

872
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:19.480
don't even remember. I'm like opening different episodes. Yeah, I'm

873
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:21.800
not seeing for them nothing. Yeah, I don't think it's

874
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:23.679
like I think they're slowly going to bring it back

875
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:27.480
for all accounts, because yeah, I don't. Like I know

876
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:29.880
for a fact that I turned on comments and like

877
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:33.079
I've not seen them either, And I went on Spotify

878
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:36.800
for podcasters and approved some comments and I can't see them. Interesting,

879
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:40.400
So I don't know. Yeah, like I know that comment

880
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:43.360
that I told you that there's something about violence, nonviolence

881
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.920
is the best option always. It was left on the

882
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:48.920
Brief History of Cheetah episode, and like, I can't see

883
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:53.760
the comment. Oh, we should announce something. We have a Patreon.

884
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:59.400
Oh that's right. Yeah, So if you want to have

885
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:03.199
ad free episodes, have them early this podcast, they usually

886
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:08.800
do end up editing at least two days before it's up,

887
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.519
so you know, if you want one or two day

888
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:15.440
early access to episodes, no ads and the occasional bonus episode,

889
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:18.599
no promises there. I feel like we should, and because

890
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:22.920
sometimes we like read book or like related books to history,

891
00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:28.159
like when we read you sound like a white girl. Yeah, uh,

892
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:32.039
solo migrant what is it called? What was it called

893
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:35.559
migrants or our migrant souls? Yeah, that one. So maybe

894
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:38.920
you can have like mini book club or book book

895
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:41.920
episodes or something like that, like not book club as

896
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:43.559
the other people reading with us, but like, hey you

897
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:45.239
read this and this is what we thought, like something

898
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:48.719
like that. Yes, yeah, no, that's good. And then our

899
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:51.679
cheese mess Unknown Yes yeah, yeah I was gonna say

900
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:58.039
that too. Yeah, where we'll talk about the latest goss. Yeah,

901
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:04.079
because what is history but not? If not old costs? Yeah,

902
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:06.559
so you could find that at patron dot com slash

903
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:09.679
Estonia's Unknown podcast. You can also just go to the

904
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:12.559
show notes. It's all there. We're also on Spreaker. The

905
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:14.599
same things are going to be up on the Spreaker

906
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:17.760
Support Club, which is just through where we host the podcast.

907
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:21.000
There's a little like support club where you can access

908
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:24.800
episodes like bonus episodes, the early episodes through there, so

909
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:26.920
you know which everyone floats your boats. You can do

910
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:30.039
either one. They're going to be the same thing. But yeah,

911
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:33.039
those are two options. Just to support us a little bit,

912
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:37.440
mainly me because no, no, we both do a lot

913
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:41.599
of work for this. I do research, you do that

914
00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:46.039
and everything. Oh oh sometimes I do post on social media,

915
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:50.000
that's true. You do, you do so sometimes I don't

916
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.960
a lot though, so so yeah, if you just want

917
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to you know, help us financially. That's those are options.

918
00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:01.000
But if not then oh, actually, other thing that's gonna

919
00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:03.880
be if you do sign up for it on Patreon

920
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:06.159
because that's where I can see addresses and stuff. If

921
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:08.880
you do that, I will send out one time one

922
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.000
sticker that's just the logo of Estordia Unknown. Oh can

923
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:14.239
I have one too? Yeah? I haven't made them, but

924
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:17.360
you know, okay, I will if someone signs up. Yeah,

925
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:20.639
we'll see, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. We hope

926
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:23.320
we do. But if not, you know, just tell people

927
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.559
about the podcast. That's the most important way to share

928
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:29.960
and to support is just to listen and share episodes.

929
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:33.280
So yeah, all right, Well, on that note, thank you

930
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everyone for listening, and we hope this is one less

931
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:40.320
Estodia Unknown for you because it definitely has been for me. Yeah. Same,

932
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all right. By