Oct. 17, 2024

Cesar Chavez Part 4

Cesar Chavez Part 4

Cesario Estrada Chavez was an American labor leader and civil rights activist.. He co-founded the National Farm Workers Association, along with Dolores Huerta, which later merged with the Agricultural Workers Organizing Committee to become the United...

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Cesario Estrada Chavez was an American labor leader and civil rights activist.. He co-founded the National Farm Workers Association, along with Dolores Huerta, which later merged with the Agricultural Workers Organizing Committee to become the United Farm Workers labor union.

In part four, Cristina talks about Cesar Chavez' trip to Europe, the UFW's Wet lines across the Arizona border, the UFW's "Illegals Campaign" and mass purges within the union. Part five will explore the ties between Synanon and the UFW.

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Sources

The Crusades of Cesar Chavez by Miriam Pawel
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/07/the-madness-of-cesar-chavez/308557/
https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/spl/coplonchavez2vv84.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L._Lewis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi
https://www.americamagazine.org/issue/culture/legend-unraveled
https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2015/januaryfebruary/curio/new-biography-cesar-chavez-unearths-grittytruth#:~:text=The%20union%20organizer%20was%20vehemently,friends%2C%20allies%2C%20and%20mentors.
https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/cesar-chavez-complicated-legacy-united-farm-workers-immigration/
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-03-29/cesar-chavez-problematic-miriam-pawel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector

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Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is

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Estodia is Unknown, a podcaster. We talk about Latin American history.

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Sometimes it's horrible and deals with heavy topics like racism, corruption,

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and genocide. But more than that, it talks about resistance,

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power and community. And you know, I feel like this

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whole series has been a mix, a good mix of

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like that of all of that resistance power, community, corruption.

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Oh yeah, oh yeah, I would definitely agree with that.

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And man has been a wild ride that we're still on.

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We're not off the Cesatio Chavis ride. We're not. We

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are still This is part four of Cesar Chavis, and

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this is where we're going to get into the more

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culty things. Like I promised last episode, My notes are

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a little long, and Carmen is in a bad mood.

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Now I'm just kidding. No, no, no, no, I'm not a bad

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it's very tired. Yeah I was kidding. But yeah, so

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I might cut this into two parts. If you're a

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patren member, though, you'll get the whole thing in one.

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Go wow wow, okay, because we're gonna record it all

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okay Patreon members. Oh all right, So yeah, let's just

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get into this we're starting off. In the fall of

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nineteen seventy four, there was a New York Times magazine

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that headlined like this article is Chavis beaten? WHOA? Because

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by now, like I said in the end of last episode,

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the UfW had lost most of its contracts to the Teamsters.

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They had lost so much money during the lettuce strikes.

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It wasn't clear how or if they would recover. Those

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closest to Chavis were still like hardcore believers. But I'm

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a lot of a lot of farm workers who were

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previously under UfW contracts, we're now working under Teamster contracts.

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Me While sister Chavis was headed for Europe to try

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and gain supporters there to boycott certain produce and just

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talk about Lacausa, although a lot of people were a

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little unclear about why he was going, but no one

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questioned him on vacation. Yeah, They're like, what are you

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what are you doing there? Exactly? Like, what is this

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going to do for the union in the long run?

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There was no clear answer. I was gonna I was

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gonna say before he said that, I'm like, is that

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is that the bescuse of his time? And that is

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a question that will resurface again and again. Is you know,

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one could say that it wasn't in the long run,

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but let's get into what happened. So the article was

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published during his flight to London, but it didn't face him.

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You know, he was in European Care. He went to Stockholm, Geneva, Hamburg.

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He was gonna be his best life. Yeah, his best

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touristy line, Brussels, Paris, like all the it's cities in Europe.

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But this was not as successful as he hoped it

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would be. There just wasn't a lot of response. And

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it's like, yeah, you're really care, yeah care? White people

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here don't care. Would you imagine that white people over there,

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the og colonizers. Dude, you took the line out of

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my mouth. Wow. Yes, So and to gather myself okay.

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So yeah, he was like feeling a little dissolusioned until

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he went to Rome. Okay Rome, because you know he's

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a hardcore Catholic. Oh that's right. And the Pope had

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already they are already aware of what Sasar Travis and

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the Union was doing or attempting to do, so they

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felt it was important work and it was it is

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Yeah yeah, yeah, we like again we have been sane.

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We are not in no way we are minimizing the work.

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That's such as did no, we just again, we just

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want a full picture. So yeah, Rome was it for him.

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He loved it. He met with the Pope. The Pope

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made a speech about the importance of the Mexican American community.

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He gave Sessa Chaves a rosary for Helen and like

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those medayas and we all warned, Wow, so special h

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for his kids, straight from the Vatican. Yeah, Saysa. Chavis

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gave him a United Farmworker's flag. Then the next day

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there was another statement from the archbishop who basically said

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Cesar Chaves was the embodiment of how a Christians should

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live their life because you know how the importance he

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put on like sacrifice, yes, sacrifice, and like pain, you

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enduring pain, man. Catholics lived for that shit. Yeah, they

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love it. And this was like Cessa Chavis's dream come true,

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to be like revered by the Pope and the art imagress. Yeah. Yeah.

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While such Javis was living his Catholic boy dream, his

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cousin Manuel Chavez was doing some things I would personally

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deem uncatholic of h in the name of Lacausa. So,

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oh my god. Okay what okay? Sisu Chavis had already

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for years now shared his sentiment on undocumented workers, like

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it goes back to even when he was part of

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the CSO, and how he, you know, didn't like the

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Brasseros because they were like scab scabbers. Is that what

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it's called. I think it's just scabs scabs? Yeah, I

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think you're right. Yeah, So, you know, he made his

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feelings towards undocumented workers very well known, but it only

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got worse after the failure of the letter strikes. He

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would say things like, if we can get the illegals

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out of California, we will win the strike overnight. Whenever

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the strike wasn't going well, he blamed undocumented workers, calling

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them worse things. You know. Yeah, he often said the

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CIA was involved in a conspiracy to bring in illegals

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to undermine the union. This was not true. Like, yes,

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the CIA and the corporate overlord to want to exploit

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people from the cheap labor exactly like that. But people

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never want to find the corporations, do they, because that's

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too communists. Yeah. So, with saysar Chravis's approval, and with

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union money. Manuel Chavist set up what he called wetlines.

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Have you heard of this? I don't like that. No,

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I don't think I've heard of it, But just from

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that name alone, I don't like it. The name is

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derived from wet back. Yes, I figured figure out. So

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these were patrols along the Arizona border where the let

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US strike was happening. Oh my god, he had his

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own minimen. Yeah. But they were all UfW members, Oh

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my god. Yeah. Their job was to stop those trying

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to cross in search of work, because they believed that

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everyone crossing the border was scabbing. I'm so sick of this. Yeah,

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oh sorry, this was during a lemon strike. There's all

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these little strikes. I'm not gonna ye all them, but

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this was during the lemon strike in Arizona. And yeah,

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that's so, that's why they set up this wetline and

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the patrol. Of course, they didn't know who was crossing

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to go specifically into farm work, or who was just crossing.

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I mean, there's no way of different different or knowing

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who was gonna work where. Yeah, no, not at all.

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So they often used violins to stop people from crossing

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the border. These were just some incidents reported by the

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Yuma Daily. A seventeen year old was beaten by the

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UfW patrol while five cars were torched. A lemon picker

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was a tack with a black jack. Unsure what a

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black jack is? I tried looking it up. Is that

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a black jack like the card things? Or am I

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just thinking of a jack? Like is a black jack?

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I don't know? Someone if someone knows. I tried to

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search what this was and I just kept getting the

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card Like yeah, I feel like I feel like I'm

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right because it has to be something like they can

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be used as a weapon, that's true. Yeah. A twenty

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three year old Mexican was beat with a hose and

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then robbed. Why were they Okay, if you're supposedly like

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if your reason for doing this is because you know

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the supposedly the undocumented people are stealing your jobs, why

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do you need to rob them? Like, no, this is

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just because you're a hater, like a street or behater. Yeah. Yeah.

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Two men were beaten and then they're border crossing cards

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were stolen. So these were cards. It's like a temporary

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TISA has a specific name. You can like cross your

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lead crossing with right that and they were so sting.

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They're not like undocumented, not these not even that if

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that would make it right. But basically anyone that country

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in Mexico is like game pretty much, even though they

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are also descendants from Mexico. Like yeah, like you you

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look stupid, you know, historically and presently anyone who's doing this.

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Another man was found hiding in a bush naked. He

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had been taken from the he was taken from there, beaten,

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his clothes were taken and he was just dumped by

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the border. And then he like that is just sadistic. Yeah,

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it really is. This is another incident who men were beaten.

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One of them had burns on the side of his

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feet and they were yeah, and thrown into the river

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after what got dead. So they were killing them yeah yeah, Wow,

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I'm shocked. Like I knew they were deporting them, but

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I didn't know they were like physically harming and killing them.

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I'm all about this quote unquote wetline or these beatings. Wow.

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Then these were reported by the Yuma newspaper in Arizona,

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but the reports from Mexican newspapers were much much worse.

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They reported daily fire bombs that were placed under cars

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how they were set on fire. Wow. They confirmed at

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least thirty seven beatings within a month of the wetline

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being set up. They released pictures that were people who

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had been beaten by the Chavistas, which is what they

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called themselves. They also uncovered that the UfW had bribed

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officials in San Luis, So right across the border in Mexico,

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to not do anything about these beatings or their little wetline.

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Oh my god. Okay, Like if my opinion says such

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chaws couldn't get any lower, it actually can. Like I

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didn't know that, yeah, and like this was the work

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of Manuel Chavis, but the approval of Okay, I was

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gonna say, like, yeah, sure he didn't know every little thing,

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but he knew that the wetline was happening. Yeah, and

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that alone is enough for me to be like, I

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don't know. That's a note for me. Dog, let's stop

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celebrating to such chaw as day. We should end the holiday.

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Actually I'm down with that, I am. I am no. Yeah, yeah,

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I'm gonna do a petition on Change down to stop celebrating.

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And it's like it's like that thing that that debate

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that happens every fucking I don't know a few months

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on social media. That's like when someone horrible dies and

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it's like, don't speak ill of the dead. They can't

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defend themselves. Men. First of all, fuck them and their mom. Okay,

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And this goes for Reagan and his wife, yes and no,

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but not only that, but also like the thing where

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they're like, oh I thought you were in the representation,

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but at what cost? Oh yeah, he's one of the

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only celebrated Latino figures. But is it worth it knowing

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all that? It is not worth it? Oh? Like, is

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it worth knowing all of this? Is it worth celebrating

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him knowing this? Okay? I thought you were saying, even though,

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is it worth finding out this information about him? And

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now I was gonna say, yes, oh yeah, you know

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I love learning this kind of stuff. So is it

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is it worth upholding someone who yeah, did so good

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but also did a lot of bad. Later, you know,

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after his passing and some of the stuff came to

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light and some former members like you know, spoke out

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a little born publicly about what happened. A lot of

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them hold the opinion that like the good still outweighs

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the bad and so such how it is, I don't know.

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I don't know. It's so hard. It's so hard to

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really to say. But I mean it definitely tarnishes what

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could have been. I mean it still is in some people, guys.

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But to me it turns wi is what could have

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been a good legacy, you know, right right? And also

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all this to say like are there good people? No,

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we're skidding No, no, not that, not that, but question

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about that, and I forgot already. Damn. Maybe I'll come

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back to you. Probably not. I don't know, No, I

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don't think so. Anyway, back to this, So, the Confederation

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of Mexican Workers, which is a union of specifically Mexican

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workers who used to work with Minor Chavis and with

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the uf W, they supported their efforts. They broke all

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ties with the union over as they should have me did. Yeah.

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They called the wetline a campaign of terror as it was,

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as it was, and they even cited some cases of

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Mexicans that had been drowned or castrated by by Oh

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my god, it's terribly horrible. When Sisa Chavis was told

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about these incidents, he just said that it wasn't true

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and that people were just saying this to undermine the union,

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and of course his closest supporters, who were like blind

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to everything he does, he just believed him, supported him,

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like he could have done his due diligence and really

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looked into these matters instead of just turning a blind

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eye to it because it was working to what he wanted,

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which just to terrorize undocumented people. Yeah, because he was

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what is that word I always forget that's not racist

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but xenophobic. Yes, wow, I always forget that word. I

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don't know why. Oh, I don't know. Yea and yeah,

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and so you know, the close closest to him believed him.

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Despite the actual full blown investigation by the Mexican police

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that confirmed at the very least the bribery that happened,

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they were still like, nope, it was so bad that

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Burt Corona. Do you remember Bert Corona? You know who

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that is. He's a Chicano activist. He's been mentioned throughout

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some episodes here and they're like one of the student

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walkouts and when to say, we said his name, but

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he's a prominent Chicano activist in the Arizona area. Okay.

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He staged a protests at the Arizona border because of

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the wetline. Wow. I wonder how public this was. You know,

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it was public and for someone to protest about it,

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right exactly, and it was known within Arizona Yuma, especially

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because you know they were actually public lying, like publicizing

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articles about it. There was even a recorded conversation between

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Sasad and Manuel where Sasa Chavis is telling Manuel that

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they can bribe the police to cut costs of the

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wetline so they can bring back some UF to view

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members from the patrol because it was costing more money.

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So it wasn't like to stop doing this, yes, to

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save money. The Mexican government even issued a warrant for

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Manuel's arrest over over this. Wow. And then El mal

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Criado that you have to Wu's newspaper put out a

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page talking about the Mexican president and that like made

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Mexico mad, and they arrested Manuel Chavi. I don't know

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when he was doing Mexico, but they arrested for three

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days then they let him go. But throughout all this,

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as such, Javis continued to protect his cousin Manuel. When

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he was asked about all the money being spent on

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the wet lane, which was a lot. He told the

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board that like computers were just screwing up their account

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and like that's why it looked like it was more

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money than it was, and so on. And so while

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he berated other people for like spending ten or twenty

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dollars and that they needed to cut you know, this spending,

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he just let like Manuel, he gave like manuela blank

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check for the way. Wow, do you know, like do

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you have those numbers anywhere? Like like how much? At

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one point it was costing like eighty thousand dollars a

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week to keep up the wet line. Oh that's a lot. Yeah,

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that is a lot. Yeah. And the board they kept

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quiet on all this. They didn't they didn't fight or question,

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of course, because they're never ridiculous. Yeah. Then SUSU Chavez

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launched what he called the Illegals Campaign. He said that

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Nixon and the Board patrol were not doing enough to

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keep illegals out, so he would and so then the

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he got the UfW to like now start identifying illegal

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quote unquote illegals and forced the government to support them.

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And so he put I think I've said this, but

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the uf W ran on volunteer work and a lot

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of the volunteers were very young, and oftentimes they were

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like very young teens like you know, eighteen nineteen who

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had been raised within the community because their parents got

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involved and they all stayed in the area to support. Yeah,

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I remember seeing them. A nineteen year old Liz Herche

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whose parents had been involved and who moved to Delano

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when she was twelve. So it's again, this is what

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she's been involved in her whole life. Her parents were

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actually kicked out doing that first purge, but she stayed.

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She actually lives with the Chavisis. Oh wow. Anyway, she

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was put in charge of this illegals campaign. How old

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was she? Nineteen? Okay, yeah, so she you know, phrase

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or not phrase, but she said she didn't like this,

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but she, you know, she did what she was told

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because she was a firm believer in the Union and

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in SISA Chavis. And again this is like, ah, this

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is all she knew. So she created a form and

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then distributed it. And this form was called the Report

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on Illegal Farm Labor Activity. And the form had a

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spot for the person's name, the nearest Border Patrol office number,

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home address, the growers number, the names of those who

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gave the quote unquote illegal worker, food transportation in housing.

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It also had a section for how they crossed and

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what they earned. My god, this is something the brain

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of Ron de Santisco would come up with, like right, right,

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But nope, and that was says such Javis, and the

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National Lawyer's Guild, who previously supplied interns for free for

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the union, refused to participate in this illegal scene. Yeah,

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and so when they refused to do this, such Ivis

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like broke all ties with them, fired all the current interns.

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So then they lost a lot of their like legles. Legal. Yes,

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this is a quote straight from the book that I

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have been talking a bunch about that I love and

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I the crusade A, says such Javas almost forgot that name.

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So where that support of the campaign, but suggested they

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change the terminology because some of the people found the

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words wet back and illegal offensive. The people themselves aren't illegal,

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she said, their action of being in this country, maybe

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it's illegal, Maybe it's illegal. Chavis turned on where that angrily. No,

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a spade's a spade, he said, you guys get these

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hang ups. God damn it, how do we build a union?

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They're wets. You know, they're wets, and let's go after them.

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That's what he told her. I'm with on this one,

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and only even then partially because she supported the action.

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She just didn't like the term. I just meant her

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words right now in that moment, yes, okay, yeah, and

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that I was in agreement. Yes. And then here's just

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one more quote from the book, just to really cement

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how he felt about immigrants. So Chavis dwelt on that point,

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frequently lamenting the difficulty in organizing people who cared about money.

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They needed to be educated to appreciate sacrifice. Immigrants come

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here to become rich. You know, it is so ingrained

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in them. Although they they're sympathetic and they want to

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help you, Goddamn, they missed one day's word and they

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think they're going to die. Excuse me, shit, that's what

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I said about undocumented workers. Do you know how much

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they make? Yeah, they miss one day of work, they

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are going to It's like a life or death moment,

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Like when you're you make so little money, like the money. No,

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they're trying to serve and nobody, nobody knows more about

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sacrifice than an immigrant does. Like, do not make me

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go on this rant, they leave behind everything they know.

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I'm gonna I'm gonna cry. I'm so mad. I was.

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I was infuriated when I read that. Sometimes, fuck you.

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If I get the holiday, I'm going to work. I

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don't care. I'm working that day. Sometimes I'm like, damn,

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why are we Why do we work on this day?

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But we like used to get Columbus day off. I

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don't even care. I will work on since Tavia's day.

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I don't give a fuck. You know what, what kind

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of shit is that? Like that's just so annoying. I

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feel like, especially on that day, I'm going to find

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something to support, like undocumented workers, you know what I mean,

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like a hundred hundred percent many infuriating, absolutely infuriating, Like

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what like he's over here on making up his his sacrifices, right,

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like finding ways to torture himself because yes, he had

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whatever a hard life, but it's not you know what

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I mean? Like do you know what I'm saying? Like no,

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I know you're making up your own suffering. Like and now, yeah,

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these people like you know, traveled hundreds of miles, left

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behind their loved ones, missed their loved ones, and it

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was even harder back than to communicate, you know what

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I mean, Like, oh my god, Oh, they only come

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here to become rich. Like I know a lot of people.

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We didn't come here. We don't need to get into

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the make enough money. Yeah, but like back home to

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like what do you mean just it's like they come

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here for a better life. But and you're here fighting

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for higher wages yourself, talking shit about other people wanting

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to be rich. But the goal was supposed to be

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higher wages for United farm Workers by the end of

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this No, I know, yeah that that was not the

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case anymore. I can't believe this bought this man? When

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is this holiday in March right? Just so I can

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prepare March thirty first? Yeah, just no, but yeah, and

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like you know, here, things are getting really culty now.

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At some point when so such I was hurt his back,

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he started to believe that it was like related to

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his diet, and he blamed the Mexican food for being

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so unhealthy. You self eating, bitch, going fucking nargoula, Then

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you dumb bitch, be white. God do you want? So

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he became a strictly vegetarian. He also had nothing processed

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while Helen and his kids ate traditional Mexican food. They

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loved meat and yeah whatever, like you know when it

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comes to food, don't like to reach their own. Just

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don't be ado about it. But he was a weird

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a whole culture. Yeah, and their food. Yeah, and especially

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maybe your own dumb your own, yeah, dumb bitch. He

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was super vocal about it and then his because he

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talked about it so much. He likes. He never directly said,

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you need to eat like I do, but he would

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say this so much that his like, he highly implied

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to his cult members that they need to eat the

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same thing he does. And so they did. They did.

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They adopted his diet, which included a weird carriat juice regime.

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He would say things like, I wouldn't eat my dog

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and cows are just like them. I mean, that's fine

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if that's what you think. You know what I mean.

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But you can eat. You can't even have to get

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food and be vegetarian. I was vegetarian for like two months. Yeah,

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I know this. I ate a lot of rice and

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beans and eggs. Yeah, And so this just forced Helen

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to like cook extra to change. He doesn't even funk

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about Helen no, poor Helen, that poor woman, like literally

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sacrificing like everything bending over backwards for this piece of shit.

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Oh man, so this like him believing this cemented like

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this good person image that his good others were like

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fucking stop like Larry, Larry was over, but Larry's gone

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by now, right he said fuck this ship like a

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while ago. No, yeah he did, but I'm just like saying,

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like Larry, others were like, you know what my petition

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is going to be to change that time's day to

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very ely on day. Personally, that's what I will be

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up to that. And it seems to be like we

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don't know. I don't I haven't read anything about him,

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but you can't you can't be too right now, I'm

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assuming that he's not like Chavist because he opposed so

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many things about such Chavist. So that's what I believe

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right now, right now, and that's what we're that's what

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we know right now. So yeah, don't come for us

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if it's different. Oh you can tell us like yeah,

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oh yeah, yeah, actually I do want to read it more.

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If there's like books, I'm gonna search, I'm sure them. Yeah,

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I'm like I want to know more so, during a

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meeting with the Teamsters in New York, one union leader

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told him just to act like a union leader and

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not a saint. And I quote, get off your fucking knees.

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Let's not make it a cause, make it a fucking union.

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We'll buy you unee pads if we want to fight

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a holy war. Damn. And honestly he deserved it. Yeah,

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just such Chabas didn't care what they said about him.

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He was just gonna, you know, like, if you were

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like that, but you weren't full of hate against people

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more vulnerable than you, than fine, you make a show

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out of it, you know what I mean. But it's

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just hip hypocritical, Like at this point, you know, one

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hundred and instead of like listening to this union leader

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that told him that, of course, he did the opposite. Yeah,

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I forgot the phrase. He dug down. Oh and and

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that is a double down. Sorry, that's what it is.

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He will keep on doubling tripling down it gets worse.

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So then such Tis proposed the Poor People's Union the

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PPU is when he the acronym. He proposed it to

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the board at the end of nineteen seventy four. He wanted,

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00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:50.039
mostly because he wanted the poor whites of San Juaquin

445
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:53.759
Valley to become allies because they were very anti UfW,

446
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:55.759
and so he was like, well, if we help them

447
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:59.039
be less poor, then maybe they'll become allies. And he

448
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:02.920
had all these like ideas about getting senior citizens on

449
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.960
a fixed income helping the community. Only those who qualify

450
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:10.680
for government help would receive membership in this group. To

451
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:13.799
keep up the middle class, there would be communal homes

452
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:17.279
with gardens and union that all sounds great. It sounds great,

453
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:22.240
but also like so idealistic. Yeah, like union sponsored farmers' markets,

454
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.680
and like for his most loyal followers, they were like, wow,

455
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.200
this is so inspirational, and everyone else is like, oh

456
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:32.720
my god, just like be a union leader that you're

457
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:35.880
like you keep your toes on the ground. Yeah. The

458
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:38.599
UfW and the farm workers are right here right now,

459
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.759
and this is all supposedly to help them, Like they

460
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.720
need help right now. Yeah, I stop with these grand

461
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:47.319
ideas that like they're not going to go anywhere. How

462
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:52.240
is this going to happen? Literally sounds impossible because it

463
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:55.039
is sadly like, yeah, that'd be great if it could happen.

464
00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:01.160
You know, around the same time, Jerry Brown had become

465
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.599
governor of California and farm workers' rights were a big

466
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.880
part of his agenda, so they were working on introducing

467
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.000
a bill that would help farm workers. This was happening

468
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:14.000
at the same time that the UfW announced the boycott

469
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:19.480
of the Gallo Wine Company. Gallo Gallay interested in learning

470
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:23.759
about this. Some people I know worked there, Yeah, some people.

471
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:27.039
You know, they're one of, if not the biggest, one

472
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:31.359
of the biggest employers in Santa Sauce County apart from

473
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:38.279
Stanisas County itself. Yeah. Yeah. They organized a four day

474
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:42.079
march from San Francisco to Modesto. Ten thousand joined the protest.

475
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:44.960
I love that. Yeah, and this was actually finally like

476
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.519
one of their bigger successes because the union was like

477
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:51.640
going downhill like fast, but this was an actual success.

478
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:55.240
Ten thousand people joined the protests, which, yeah, the union

479
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:59.599
really needed. During the speech, Sasachavis addressed Jerry Brown directly.

480
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.319
He was like, I tried meeting with your daddy and

481
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:05.720
he didn't want to meet with me back in you know,

482
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:09.000
years ago in the other big protests where he didn't

483
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.599
meet with them, your mile marg Yeah, that was his

484
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:16.880
dad nepotism anyway, because now you know he's a governor.

485
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.400
I'm sorry, I didn't know that Jerry Brown was a

486
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:25.759
NEPO baby. Yeah, his dad was the governor. When the

487
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:30.319
first I didn't realize then Brown as the governor's name.

488
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:32.680
I actually don't know if he said his name Jerry Brown.

489
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:35.039
I said, oh wow, I don't remember that at all. Okay,

490
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:39.799
But what I was confused about is what actually I

491
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:42.359
guess maybe there was a contract negotiations that maybe weren't

492
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.039
working out. But what confuses me is because at the time,

493
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:49.440
the Gallow Wine Company, they were one of the higher

494
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:54.359
pain jobs for farm workers. So what do you mean.

495
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.240
Are you saying you're confused why they were protesting. Yeah,

496
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.319
that's what I was, And I tried reading about it,

497
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:02.119
but I'm like, I I fully don't know. Maybe even

498
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:03.720
though they were one of the highest paid, it was

499
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:08.880
still very low. That's true. That's true. So this whole

500
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:14.119
Ordeo was a victory for them. And but even Gallo had,

501
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:17.279
like when the protest was happening, they put out they

502
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.240
put out this giant sign that said, like talk to

503
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:23.440
the state, not us, because we pay very well. Hm hmm.

504
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.519
Interesting so that's what I'm I'm confused about. I don't know,

505
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:31.319
I don't understand. I didn't read too much about the

506
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:34.559
specific protests because I had so much to read. Yeah

507
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:38.200
it does it go into it in the book or no? No,

508
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:40.680
just really what I said right now? Oh okay, So

509
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:43.880
it's like something you have to look up, really okay,

510
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:47.640
and I I tried to look up on the internet

511
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.720
and that was not really define either. So I'm not sure.

512
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:53.400
I think I have to go to like La Pass

513
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:59.400
and to the UfW archives and like something. Yeah, honest,

514
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:04.440
you don't know. So unfortunately, I'm not sure what the

515
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:08.920
protest was about exactly, but I'm like guessing either more

516
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:12.079
benefits or even better wages, because you know what, you

517
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.240
can never be there's always a better wage on a say.

518
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.440
So I don't know. And so you know, during the

519
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.240
speech again I said, Sasa Javis address Jerry Brown directly,

520
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:23.240
and then there was a bunch of meetings back and forth.

521
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:25.759
I'm not gonna get into it because it's a lot,

522
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:32.880
but the California Agriculture Agricultural Labor Relations Act was signed

523
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:39.119
into law, which was a victory. Although Sasar Travis was

524
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:41.319
a little like do we want this law to pass

525
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.720
because now it's going to make things like more official.

526
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:48.359
And but for those that don't know, this is from Wikipedia.

527
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:52.799
The California Agricultural Labor Relations Act or CARLA, is a

528
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.880
landmark statue in the United States labor law in the

529
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:58.599
United States labor law that was enacted by the state

530
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.920
of California in nineteen seventy, establishing the right to collective

531
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.759
bargaining for farm workers in that state, and this is

532
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.480
the first in US history. The goal of the Act

533
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:11.039
is to ensure peace in the agricultural fields by guaranteeing

534
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:15.960
justice for all farm workers and stability in labor relations.

535
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:20.759
It explicitly encourages and protects the right of agricultural employees

536
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:25.559
to full freedom of associations, self organization, and designation of

537
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:28.880
representatives of their own choosing to negotiate the terms and

538
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.400
conditions of their employment, and to be free from the interference, restraints,

539
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:36.359
or coercion of employers of labors. Basically the right to unionize.

540
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.279
I think, yeah, yeah, that's what it sounds like. Yeah,

541
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:42.440
and yeah, it really is a win. But sister Jervis

542
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:44.160
was quick to remind them that it was not time

543
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.480
to celebrate because they still had to fight for wages

544
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:49.799
and benefits. There's always more work to do. There's always

545
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:54.240
more work to do. No time for yeays, no, nay. Anyway,

546
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.160
he was worried that a law would kill the movement,

547
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.279
as he believed that I could actually see that because

548
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.759
I feel like that happens a lot where people think like,

549
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:06.039
I don't know, like the civil rights law was passed, Okay,

550
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:08.599
now racism is over, you know, like that type of thinking,

551
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:11.920
because yeah, because I can understand that. Yeah. Yeah, he

552
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:13.960
was worried or kill the movement like it had with

553
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:22.480
the Civil rights movement. Oh, speaking of that, Yeah, he

554
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:24.880
talked about how the movement needed to change and how

555
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:29.119
you know, just again more super idealistic things that are

556
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.480
just like why he talks about helping build unions in Europe,

557
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:36.519
the Philippines, all of Latin America. They're like, our union

558
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.360
is still like struggling, holding on by a thread. Man

559
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:44.320
like focus here, yeah, get your head out of the clouds. Seriously.

560
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:48.559
And again this was more for skeptics of him there.

561
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:50.800
It was more like stop and focused in the union

562
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:55.599
and other people like, yeah, maybe the union did go

563
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:58.599
on to win contracts that had lost over the years, Excependolino,

564
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.840
which made it, says our super because that was like

565
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.719
where they began, right, Deleano was tired of to such

566
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:09.159
Iver was, I know that, and again, there's so much

567
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:11.599
that goes into these elections. Yeah, I'm not getting into it.

568
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:14.440
I can't. I can't. It's also a little dry for

569
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:17.199
me him getting that, So it's boring. It's boring, That's

570
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:20.480
what it is. I fear that I left too much

571
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.519
in about the elections and shit in the past episodes,

572
00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:28.840
and I'm like, oh, I'm bored of this. Anyway, during

573
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.280
these elections, says such I, was continue to blame and

574
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:39.920
documentary workers for losses. He just he needed someone to blame. Yeah,

575
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:45.280
in nineteen seventy six, there was a Proposition fourteen that

576
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:48.559
was being put on the California ballot, and it also

577
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.039
happened around the same time that elections happened. Because these

578
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.000
happened every year, and these things have to happen every year,

579
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:56.360
and that it should be in the interest of the

580
00:35:56.440 --> 00:36:00.639
UFLU to try and win these elections. Most people wanted

581
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:05.599
them to pursue election work campaigning, say such I just

582
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.840
wanted them to focus on Proposition fourteen, and they were like,

583
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:11.360
even if it passes, like like we need to focus

584
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:13.880
on elections. But he was like no, and because everything

585
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:16.960
happened that he wanted, everything goes as yeah, yeah, and

586
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:20.440
that's what they did. Yeah, And so really quick Proposition fourteen,

587
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:25.039
and this is according to ballot Pedia. I yes, vote

588
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:29.119
for Proposition fourteen would be to allow union organizers to

589
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.880
enter places of employment to campaign for elections, appoint new

590
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:37.280
members to the Agricultural Labor Relations Board, allow the board

591
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:41.400
to conduct hearings and make determinations about unfair labor practices

592
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:46.039
and require payments for violations, and direct legislature to provide

593
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.159
sufficient funds to allow the Agricultural Labor Relations Board to

594
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:53.519
fu those specific responsibilities. So I mean like all normal things, honestly.

595
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:56.440
But the problem is that the growers are just they

596
00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:01.000
have way more money for like marketing, and they marketed

597
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:04.760
hard for a no. So the no vote would mean

598
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:08.960
that union organizers could not enter places of employment for

599
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:13.400
campaigning due elections. Basically the opposite of everything else that

600
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:15.159
I just said. Yeah, I'm not going to read what

601
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:18.639
am I was going to read like everything specifically, and

602
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.840
the growers the way they marketed Proposition fourteen. It's like,

603
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.320
if you vote yes on this, this means that they

604
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:28.719
can trespass your property to do whatever they want. Yeah,

605
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:31.199
it gave them permission to go into the farms to

606
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:35.760
try and get them to vote. Right, But the way

607
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:37.119
they present our it is like, do you want your

608
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:44.719
home invaded? Yeah, it's just another way to weekend unions. Yeah. Yeah.

609
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:46.880
And the I mean they had just had way more

610
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:50.199
money the proposition. Yeah, everyone predicted they weren't going to

611
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:53.360
win this, and they really should have focused on elections

612
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.880
to try and get contracts for workers. That's what they

613
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:59.079
should have been focusing on. But sis is Shavis was

614
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.559
like no proposition for proposed to fourteen, which they were

615
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:04.719
never gonna win. It was impossible with the type of

616
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.679
marketing and the money that the growers have. And just

617
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:11.440
like many predicted, Yeah, proposed fourteen lost and it's like

618
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:15.000
super upset to such a as he took it personally,

619
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:20.559
more purges followed. So he blamed Nick Jones, who was

620
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:25.079
the UFW's national boycott director, for the loss of this proposition.

621
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:27.880
He had been one of the only ones to actually

622
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:32.159
publicly say that he they should like, would it be

623
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:35.599
the best use of UfW resources if we focus on

624
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.800
proposition for teen because I don't like, I don't think

625
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.480
we're going to win. That's what he said. And because

626
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:43.159
he said this, he was the target. He's like, you

627
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:47.639
undermined me. Yeah, of his anger. So and a little

628
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.159
bit about Nick Jones. He grew up in North Dakota,

629
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:52.519
dropped out of college, moved to Delano, where he worked

630
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.920
at the Migrant Ministry, which did work with the union.

631
00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:58.519
And so after a few months of being in Delano,

632
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.320
he met Virginia Rodrigue, who was a daughter of farm

633
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:04.199
workers and a farm worker herself. She became a full

634
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.199
time worker for the UfW. The two got married in

635
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:10.039
nineteen sixty seven, and they were like fully in the union.

636
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:12.840
They were they had moved to you know, the city

637
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.400
to help boycott grapes. They had done all this work.

638
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.760
Their lives were one hundred percent the union. When Sisa

639
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.719
Javis was doing his first fast in nineteen sixty eight

640
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:26.239
at forty Acres, they were one of the first to

641
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:31.239
pitch tents like outside to support him. Again one hundred

642
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:34.719
percent devoted to Lacausa. And so now Nick Jones was

643
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:39.199
the target of Sister Javis's range and just because he could.

644
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.880
He also targeted two people that worked for Nick, not

645
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.079
worked for him, that Nick Jones had recruited into the

646
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:49.360
United farm Workers, Kathleen McCarthy and Joe Smith, who had

647
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.960
bon both been in for a long time. Both were

648
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:58.320
devoted believers in Lacausa. She was a nurse at the

649
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.960
Delano Clinic and during a meeting, says Sar, Chavis accused

650
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:05.880
her of being a spy and that people in the

651
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.639
clinic were trying to undermine the union. Then he met

652
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:11.239
with her individually, where he accused her more of being

653
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:14.320
an agents. She burst into tears, ran out crying that

654
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:19.519
she was like walking around the pharm all like lost

655
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.000
and in tears and sad. And then she ran into

656
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:27.559
Joe Smith, and so Joe Smith was like, all right, well,

657
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.159
what why did you do this? She's not a spy.

658
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:32.199
He went to talk to as such Chavis, and you

659
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:35.039
know you can't ask him this kind of stuff. No,

660
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:38.039
So he had been put in charge of El Marcriado

661
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:42.800
during a nineteen seventy six retreat, and so for the

662
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.800
third time the newspaper was restarted and the first issue

663
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:50.719
was ready. The board reviewed it, so did Sas Sar Chavis.

664
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.599
They were like, this is great, great work. They even

665
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:58.880
applauded him. After Kathleen ran into Joe and Joe went

666
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:03.039
to confronts a sad child about her being accused of

667
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:05.960
being an agent. That's when the second issue was set

668
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:10.760
to come out. So when he showed them the second issue,

669
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:16.320
Sis Sar Javis berated him and I'm gonna read this

670
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:22.039
to you because it's terrible. So okay. So again they

671
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.000
had praised the first edition when I came out, but

672
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:28.239
that was before they had Joe Smith had confronted, not

673
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.360
even confronted, asked Sis Sar Chavis why he did that

674
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:35.320
to Cathleen. Right So after this and the second issue

675
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:38.440
was set to come out, Sisa Chavis said to him,

676
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:41.639
to Joe Smith, I have some very serious questions about

677
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.239
the first fucking edition, and I'm pissed off at you

678
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.559
very much because you couldn't have fucked up. We laid

679
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:50.119
it out, We told you exactly what to do. It's

680
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.880
a fucking game you're playing. It's not a mistake. This

681
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:56.199
board tells you what to do in the first edition,

682
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:58.320
and you didn't do it. Don't tell me you forgot.

683
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.000
I'm not going to buy it. You must have had

684
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:04.119
some special reasons for doing it. And then it's like,

685
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.519
you know, Joe confused. He's like, I'm not trying to

686
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.519
run a game, Like just what are you talking about? Joe? Yeah,

687
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.679
and then sins such. Chavis was like, you'll have a

688
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:16.679
hell of a time convincing me different. I wasn't born yesterday.

689
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:20.079
And so Smith, Joe, he's like, I didn't ask for

690
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:21.760
this job. You asked me to do it, and I

691
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:25.320
did it. Like he's like, bitch with the fuck you. Yeah,

692
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:27.760
He's like, I would never do anything to do like

693
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:30.679
to cause harm to the union. Why would I want

694
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.440
to do that? And then that was like bait versus

695
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:36.719
such jabs because then he's like Nick Jones was standing

696
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:40.440
next to him, who had spoke about about proposition fourteen. Right,

697
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.840
So then when Joe Smith said why would I want

698
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:47.440
to do that? Says such Javis turned to Nick Jones

699
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:49.519
and he was like, I want to know why. You

700
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.920
tell me why you're the one. It was your recommendation

701
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:55.760
why we hired Joe in the first place. You should

702
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:58.719
know why he's why he's trying to undermine the union.

703
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:04.679
And so yeah, just messed up. Yeah, that's tyrannical, man. Yeah,

704
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.760
so they were all three of them were kicked out.

705
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:23.360
The board voted to and the newspaper for the fourth time. Wow. Yeah,

706
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:25.400
he had accused Nick Jones of being part of a

707
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:29.039
left wing conspiracy theory to destroy the union. First of all,

708
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:33.480
only right winged organizations destroy you do that kind of shit.

709
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:38.119
Yeah you should know this on man, that's uh one

710
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.039
o one right there. Seriously. So then, so said instructed

711
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:48.039
Fred Ross and Gans. I know I mentioned his first

712
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:49.920
name in one of the other parts, but yeah, I

713
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:54.400
was familiar. They just been long time uh workers, Like

714
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:57.079
Gans was one of the lawyers, and Fred Ross he's

715
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:01.519
Fred Ross. Yeah. So he instructed both of them to

716
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.599
interrogate everyone who had been part of the Proposition fourteen

717
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:08.960
campaign to quote unquote routed out the assholes. During these meetings,

718
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.960
Sasa Chavas would stand outside the window eavesdropping, and if

719
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.559
he overheard someone complaining about the leadership, he jumped through

720
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.599
the window and yelled at them, Oh my god, come on,

721
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:24.280
that is over the top. Yeah, it's insane, truly, Nick Jones,

722
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.360
he was still trying to like defend himself and like

723
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:30.039
he again, his whole life had been the union, so

724
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.280
he was trying to defend himself and stay. And he

725
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:35.679
had one more meeting with SASA Javis during which SASA

726
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:39.360
Chavis accused him of recruiting spies into La Passe. And

727
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:43.480
so after that meeting is when Nick finally resigned, and

728
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:46.239
then his wife Virginia went with him. Both of them

729
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:48.639
wrote a two page letter together where they laid down

730
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:51.480
the accusations that were brought against them by Sisar Chavis.

731
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:55.719
And obviously these accusations weren't true. They weren't spies, they

732
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:59.119
weren't trying to undermine the union. Yeah. The reason for

733
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:01.599
all this is because as he had spoke out about

734
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:03.920
if campaigning for purposation for team was the best use

735
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:07.679
of their resources. That's why this was happening. So in

736
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:09.599
this letter they wrote about how they were deeply concerned

737
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:12.239
about the direction that the union was heading in. And

738
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:13.920
I do have the letter. I'm just going to read

739
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:17.199
part of it really quick. Okay, we are deeply concerned

740
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:21.320
about what we perceived to be serious internal destruction of

741
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:24.880
the United farm Workers of America. And they urged the

742
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.840
board to stand against the accusations and firings of full

743
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:31.880
time staff based on the flimsy say so, whims and

744
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:37.320
innuendo which the accusers are not held responsible to substantiate.

745
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:41.719
So like such as can't just go around like they

746
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:43.679
should stand it up to all these firings and not

747
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:45.960
just take his word for it, which of course they

748
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:51.880
didn't do. So when Sisuchavis received this letter, he also

749
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.800
fired Joe Smith, and he had, also, like Nick Jones,

750
00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:01.679
requested a meeting to dispute his firing, and Sisar Chavis

751
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:03.320
gave him the meeting, but he made it a board

752
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:05.800
meeting so everyone else was present, and then like no

753
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:10.840
one set up for him. Wow, And unlike the earlier

754
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:13.840
purge in the Union, this one was a little more public.

755
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:17.199
La Times wrote about it. They published the letter that

756
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:21.480
the Jones wrote. Then they got more letters from Joe

757
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:25.599
Smith and others who had been fired, and it wasn't

758
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:30.719
a good look. Sesar Chavez offered explanations to those closest

759
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:33.960
to him. They were always a little similar, Oh they're

760
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.639
undermining the union. Oh their agents, their leftist spies, like

761
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:41.159
the same shit, and they just accepted what he said. Damn.

762
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:44.239
He went on to say that there was two types

763
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:47.000
of members in the union staff, those who came from

764
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:49.440
nothing like the farm workers, and those who came from

765
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:53.559
privileged backgrounds like Nick Jones. And those who came from

766
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.679
privileged backgrounds were the ones who complained and who didn't

767
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:02.239
just swallow orders, and that the farm workers didn't complain

768
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:07.239
because the UfW is not a democracy. It was the cheeratorship,

769
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:12.119
it really was. So the complaints and curtenticism didn't go away,

770
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:17.039
and this made sister Chavis only get way worse. He

771
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:22.199
started purging people in public. Oh my god, escalating. Yeah,

772
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:26.480
when specific night became known as the Monday Night massacre, Oh,

773
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.039
oh my god. And it happened on April fourth, nineteen

774
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.320
seventy seven. And I'm gonna again read from the book

775
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:35.960
because that's just insane, Okay. So he called the community meeting,

776
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:39.599
which he had scripted roles for, and this is what

777
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:44.000
the Monday Night Massacre was. So it was chaired by

778
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:47.920
Gilbert Bardiya and his wife Esther, and so they had

779
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:52.079
to read the following, which was written by Sasa Chavis.

780
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.440
We know who you are, and we're sick and tired

781
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:57.880
of it. We want some action. We want you to

782
00:47:57.960 --> 00:47:59.960
get the hell out of La Pass. We want you

783
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:02.480
to get the hell out of the union since that

784
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:04.679
has been busting his assa for so many years. To

785
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:07.760
build this union, so many people have been sacrificing the

786
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:12.320
whole Travis family. You have the audacity, the audacity to

787
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.280
try and destroy our union, what we have built, what

788
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:18.599
we have sacrificed for. It is sickening. We want some action.

789
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:21.840
We want it now. And they had like practice who

790
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:24.360
was going to be fired. Those that knew Most of

791
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:28.360
the people that had been targets were like too shaken

792
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.840
to try and defend themselves. One group that had been

793
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:35.440
like targeted during this was women who you know, they

794
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.159
did a lot of the work in the camp when

795
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.079
it came to like cooking and cleaning because La Bas

796
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:44.440
was like at this point sort of coming to commun space. Yeah,

797
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.559
and so they had been complaining about how they had

798
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:50.079
to use this old ass kitchen that wasn't fixed up,

799
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:54.320
and so they were all fired. Wow. Some of the

800
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:59.199
firings were done by Sisar Jervis's son Paul, and Dolorus's

801
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.920
were thus daughter. They did some of the firing. Is

802
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:04.000
that what you say? Yes, yeah, they did, And they

803
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:08.800
were just like yelling at people, very NEPO, very one

804
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.639
person who tried to fight back and like was like,

805
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:14.840
I didn't do this. His name was David McClure. McClure,

806
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:16.840
I don't know how to say it's law same. Anyway.

807
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:19.719
He was a plumber who had been hired to help

808
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.920
with the much needed construction projects around that pass because again,

809
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:26.639
this was an old sanitorium, like they needed a lot

810
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:30.920
of work. He had been accused of being a spy

811
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:34.840
and he denied. He denied the allegations, and then he

812
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:38.159
refused to leave. Siss Travis had to like get involved

813
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:40.960
because he was just letting his son and those were

814
00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:44.280
the daughter do it all. So then he got involved.

815
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:47.440
He said that they knew he was calling making daily

816
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:52.000
calls to the conservative senator and I can't say it

817
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:53.880
was law same. And he's like, you know, we have

818
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:58.519
the evidence, we have documents, and you know, to defend himself,

819
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:02.440
he was David was like, I'm calling them because there's

820
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:05.039
engineers there, Like I'm calling the office, Like I'm calling

821
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.559
them because of the work that I'm doing for the union,

822
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:11.199
Like what the fuck? And you know, there was just

823
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:14.280
yelling back and forth, was yelling at him, you're a

824
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:17.559
fucking agent. You're you're goddamn right, you are, you're a

825
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:20.199
fucking agent. We want you out of here. And yeah,

826
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:22.480
when people came to defend him, then they were like

827
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:28.599
they were basically like dragged out, damn. And then those

828
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:31.199
that were kicked out, they weren't even allowed to use

829
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:33.119
the phone if they had gotten like I mean, some

830
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:35.920
of them were living there at this point, you know,

831
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:38.960
there was no cell phones, and they didn't even let

832
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:42.599
them use the payphone afterward to like call like hey,

833
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:49.000
come pick me up, like nothing, like that's fucked up. Yeah, oh, David,

834
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:51.320
they had to call the police. They called the police

835
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:55.320
to get them out of la pace. Wow. Yeah. Yeah,

836
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:57.320
And like anyone who came to his defend was then

837
00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:02.880
also kicked out. So it's somehow this like mass firing

838
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:05.639
didn't even make the newspaper either, like although the other

839
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:09.239
ones before that did. And so after this purge, the

840
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:13.320
union entered a new chapter. So such, I always told

841
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:17.000
them that the board that the union needed a drastic change.

842
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:20.079
They needed to be a movement or a union, but

843
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.960
they couldn't be both. They had to pick. And then

844
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:26.119
he called a board meeting. We're now in nineteen seventy

845
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:32.159
seven and this board meeting the so the board didn't

846
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:35.320
know this at the time, but the board meeting was

847
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:42.039
held at one of Synanon's compounds. Synanon enters the chat. Yeah,

848
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:46.039
and I think this is where we'll end part this part. Okay,

849
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:50.880
the next part we'll get into. We're ending with Synanon. Yeah,

850
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:54.199
and I will get into a next part. But synan On,

851
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:59.199
it's a cul Maybe we should recommend some good synonym episodes,

852
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:03.039
like podcast episodes. Real they talk about it personally True

853
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:07.280
and on Yes, their series, it was a few episodes, right, Yeah,

854
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.280
so they have a series. Is it called The Game?

855
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:12.639
I think so. I'm pretty sure if you look up

856
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:14.840
True and on the Game, you'll come into their whole.

857
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:18.760
They go into cynan On and then Elon School, which

858
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:24.559
if you know the what is it called lore, the history,

859
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:31.199
uh the teen trouble trouble tea industry, trouble team industry.

860
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:33.000
If you know about it, then you've come across the

861
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:36.840
name Elon's School and the game and all of this

862
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.960
and so there that's a really good podcast to check

863
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:42.760
out those specific episodes, because yeah, they get into the

864
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.719
history and one of the hosts actually was sent to. Yeah,

865
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:49.280
these type of schools, but it's bad, it's bad, it's

866
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:55.480
terrible good and yeah, and there's some ties between the

867
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:57.480
uf W and SIN and on and it starts here.

868
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:00.199
But yeah, we'll get into a next episode. Do we

869
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:02.000
want to do a little outro here? Do I do

870
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:05.639
one by myself? Later? All? Right? Well we were on

871
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:08.320
a little break last week, but we're back for good

872
00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:11.960
for now nine. Yeah, let us know your thoughts on

873
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:17.079
this part. How we've ruined such us for you yet yet? Yeah,

874
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:20.039
this is where things are gonna get very serious after

875
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:23.079
this worse. Oh my god, I felt it was like

876
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:26.719
serious enough with the whole line. Was it good, Wedes? Yeah?

877
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:29.280
Parts four and five is where it really like everything

878
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:32.079
got there? Man? Wow? What was this? Was part four? Right?

879
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:35.679
This is part four? Okay? Wow? Wow? Well tune back

880
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:38.920
in next time for part five of our Journey of

881
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:43.480
Ceceechavis and Yeah, I mean thank you for listening. If

882
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you have enjoyed the podcast so far, please rate us

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Please love us. Yeah, a good little review, you know.

890
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:08.599
Afraid the shout out to our Patreon members, Chata, you're

891
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:13.000
gonna get these questions if you want to be your

892
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893
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894
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895
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896
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:28.480
and yeah, thanks everyone for listening. Will be or I

897
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:30.800
guess we hope that this was one less Estonia Unknown

898
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:35.239
for you. Yeah, it was for me. It definitely was true.

899
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:39.599
We shocked me. Wow, I'm floored. All right, Well end

900
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:41.000
that Okay, bye everyone, Bye,