Oct. 3, 2024

Cesar Chavez Part 3

Cesar Chavez Part 3

Cesario Estrada Chavez was an American labor leader and civil rights activist.. He co-founded the National Farm Workers Association, along with Dolores Huerta, which later merged with the Agricultural Workers Organizing Committee to become the United...

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Cesario Estrada Chavez was an American labor leader and civil rights activist.. He co-founded the National Farm Workers Association, along with Dolores Huerta, which later merged with the Agricultural Workers Organizing Committee to become the United Farm Workers labor union.

In part three, Cristina talks about the end of the grape strikes, the trouble with the lettuce boycotts, inlcuding two UFW member deaths and more.

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Sources

The Crusades of Cesar Chavez by Miriam Pawel
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/07/the-madness-of-cesar-chavez/308557/
https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/spl/coplonchavez2vv84.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L._Lewis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi
https://www.americamagazine.org/issue/culture/legend-unraveled
https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2015/januaryfebruary/curio/new-biography-cesar-chavez-unearths-grittytruth#:~:text=The%20union%20organizer%20was%20vehemently,friends%2C%20allies%2C%20and%20mentors.
https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/cesar-chavez-complicated-legacy-united-farm-workers-immigration/
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-03-29/cesar-chavez-problematic-miriam-pawel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector

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Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is

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Yas Unknown, a podcast where we talk about Latin American history.

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Sometimes it's horrible and tybe topics like racism, corruption, and genocide,

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but more than that, it's also about resistance, power and community.

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And sometimes it's about taking everything we knew about someone

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and just like flipping that, you know. Yeah, yeah, Sometimes

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it's about being a hater. Yeah. Like today, because we're

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continuing on with My Accidental Journey. One could say yeah

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and two Susan Chravis, this is part three. Last part

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we ended after the assassination of Robert Kennedy, and today

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we're just continuing on from that and then going up

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until the year nineteen s every three years around this world,

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we're going to drop it off, and I think the

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next installment is going to be the last one. Okay, wow,

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four part series, four part series. Yeah. But also, like

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I said, it's not I'm just kidding. It's not about

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trying to cancel anyone because we don't have the power

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to do that and it's not real. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No,

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we're just talking about to such Javis as a whole person,

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you know, Yeah, the good and the bad, right, all

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of it. That's what it means to be a whole person.

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No one is good all the time, yeah exactly. Some

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are worse than others. And we do like to ruin things.

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I do. Like if someone tells me when we were kids,

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if someone told me they didn't believe in sand or

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they still believe in Santa Class, I'm like that, but

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shain't real. What are you talking about? That was me,

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like I would purposely say that. Yeah. I think one

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of the times we fought with our brother was because

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we ruined something for him and he just started attacking me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

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that sounds right. So that's our aim here, all of

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those things combined to get the whole picture, but also

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to ruin things. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding, Okay,

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So if you have to say you're kidding more than once,

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you're not kidding. But okay, let's do it. Yes, okay.

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So in partly we left off with the Robert Kennedy assassination.

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Sisar Chavis was the pallbear at his funeral, but like

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five days before the funeral or something like that is

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when he announced the national boycott of grapes California grapes,

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and that's where we're preaking up. After the funeral and

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him going on the Today Show to announce this SASA

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Chavis was thrust it into a celebrity like status more

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so than before. Disney found fame was causing some resentment

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among a lot of union members and the demand for

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sus SAR Chavis started causing health problems for him too.

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He already had a terrible back. But it's probably like

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just everything catching up to you, you know, like overwork,

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the fatigue, because this man did not rest to like

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do all these things. So in the fall of nineteen

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sixty eight, Helen Chavis called Bill Kircher, Remind me who

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Bill kirchran, That's exactly what I was gonna do. The

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national director of organizing in the afl CIO and a

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close friend of such chavisis from like all the organizing

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and things. Oh okay, okay, Well, I wouldn't say close friend

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because Si such Harvest would go on to say he

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didn't have friends because it got in the way of

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being a union leader. So pretty pretty cult leader, like

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I don't know, right, yeah, but if someone if Bill

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were to describe his relationship with such vis and be like, yeah,

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we were friends, but is such Chilavis is like no,

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I didn't have friends time for that. So yeah, so

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Helen called Bill Kircher in tears, worried because he such

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Chabas would not stand up, so he went to go

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see him, and then he called Tessa Chavis's doctor and

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then they had him go to the O'Connor hospital in

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San Jose. Here he was heavily guarded because either his

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doctor was always at the entrance of his or there

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was always two nuns there because at some point some

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mysterious collar asked what room Sessa Travis was in, and

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so then they're like, who is this, why are you calling?

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Like this sounds very fishy, So then they moved him

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rooms and then there was police officers posted in front

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of his room while he stayed at the hospital because

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there was a real worry he would be assassinated again.

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Martin Luther King had been assassinated Robert Kennedy, so they

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were scared for his life and there was a rumor

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that growers were offering a ten thousand bounty ten thousand

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dollars bounty for Sasa Chavis's head. Basically, whoever does this

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you know, you'll get this money. But Sasa Chavis insisted

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he didn't need security. But then he kind of used

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this like as a loyalty test for the union, like

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oh no, no, I don't need the security, but like

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you better get security, like playing games out here. Yeah. Yeah.

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Once it was discharged, he went to stay at Saint

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Anthony's Seminary to heal. In his room, he hung up

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a picture of Gandhi of course, like he can't be

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anywhere without a picture of Gandhi there, you know. Then

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he also had a crucifix made of Mexican straw, so

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you know, like a straw hat. Yeah, yeah, like a

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crucifix made out of that. He hung that up, and

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he also began to wear this scene called the Mezuza

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around his neck. You know what that is? What is that?

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It's a piece of parchment with Hebrew versus from the Torah.

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It's usually in like the Mesusa is like this this

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scroll that holds or this chest that holds the scroll,

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and it's like it has a very distinct look. It's

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usually on like a doorpost of a like Jewish household

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that is religiously Jewish. And there's necklaces that are made

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to look like the case that holds that scroll, and

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those are like tiny little rectanglars necklaces, and so he

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started wearing one. And this is all really just to

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ramp up the whole saintly martyr thing. Okay, hmmm, because

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he'd wear this before. That's also like Jewish and not. Yeah,

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so yeah, all this to just play up the martyrdom, right, yes, exactly.

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And we know this is a thing he does as

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part of his like healing journey. He would soak in

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ninety seven degree water as therapy for his back. He

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attributed his feeling better all to this soaking and very

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hot water. You know, at this point in time, he

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had also been working with a journalist. Two journalists, but

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one specifically was like very becoming close to him. And

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that journalist paid nine hundred dollars to install a tub

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just like the one at this seminary in the in

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Delano for him. Wow. How luxurious. Yeah, right, So you

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know he returned home and he upon returning, you know,

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on the outside, he's like, oh, I'm this super kind,

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patient person with those that need me, but with the

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people closest to him, like his wife Helen and his kids,

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he was super snappy, super impatient. Not the children. Yeah,

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he started getting like sick again or not feeling good,

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and he blamed the kids that they were just too

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loud and he couldn't Yeald. And so then he moved

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to forty Acres without his kids. Yeah, okay, so once

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again leaving everything to Helen. Yeah, poor, yeah, freaking Helen,

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I swear, just what a what a man? M hmm. Yeah,

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He's like, I'm not I can't heal with these kids

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around me. And what about when Helen is sick? Huh no,

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she doesn't get to be sick. She's a Mexican woman.

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My god. Yeah, And just like he had done during

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the March, during the fast, he really really really leaned

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into the suffering. He had a hospital bed placed in

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his room at forty Acres, Wow, where he would do interviews,

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where he would take phone calls, and then he other

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union members started begin noticing that he would like, oh,

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I can't attend this meeting, I'm uh too sick, and

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he you know, so it started to look like he

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was doing this for show and to fake the to

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get out of meetings and things like that. Oh wow,

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So you know, union members started wondering, like is even sick?

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This is just to really lean into the image of

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a sickly, saintly union leader, and then resentment can continue

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to grow among the union, especially Larry Ito. It felt

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like Larry is over says that ship they're putting in

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through it. Yeah, he felt like sasuch Chabas was once

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again playing god. Yeah, and he's kind of right. And

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other people who were like the quote unquote brain trust

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would like resent Larry for not stepping up because says

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Sad couldn't because he was too sickly to like do

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all the duties. So like Bill Kircher once told Larry, like,

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how do you not take more responsibility when says sar

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Javis cannot? And Larry was so over it. He's like,

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how the hell do you expect me to give an

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order to those volunteers? Every time I asked him to

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do something, they look at me like I'm crazy. They

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look at me like, who the hell are you? You're

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not so such Javis. We work for sus such Chavis.

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So he's like, I can't do anything, and he really couldn't,

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because if we recall, that's what that purge was for.

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He was purging the most non right, so now it

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was all the way followers. Yeah, and then it got

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to the point where like newer union members weren't so

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much so there for like the cause they were there

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they saw says that. Yes, yes, so they were straight

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up Chavistas quote unquote. So yeah, Larry couldn't get much

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done and says sad, and Larry began to have more problems.

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Says SA. Chavis would tell him that the problem was

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that Larry would not take orders from him, and Larry

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would tell him, no, this is a one man union.

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This is your union, and that's the problem. Yeah and yeah, yeah,

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and like I said, you know, this is what's his

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SA Travis wanted. This was the purpose of the purge.

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He even told, uh, told Larry, at some point, if

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I leave, the members will leave with me. This isn't

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the United farm Workers, this is Syser Travis Union, like

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and they all knew it, you know. And he he

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basically Regina George the situation. He was quota saying, like

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I had this problem everywhere I go. Uh if even

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when I was a lowly member in the cso if

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I ordered something, people just did it. Like people just

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listen to me, I don't know why. He's like, it's

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some that people love me and everyone's jealous of me. Basically,

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I wrote, he was basically like, it's not my fall.

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People are obsessed with me, Larry is Janus, Yes, oh

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my god. So no, this is how he wanted it.

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And then he'd complained that he didn't want it to

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be like this, that this was necessary, he he needed

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to do this because that's how the union would run best.

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This is just like your thea who puts off all

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these jobs, rolls on herself, and then she she makes

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it known how tired she is because people expected to

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do everything, but she doesn't want to put that on

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herself exactly because tell me why I wrote. This is

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like your Mexican mom who complains about how no one

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is helping around the house and then gets mad if

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you're like, are not doing it right? And then it

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takes over it and she's like down here right, yeah,

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and yeah say such Ivis would create such an environment

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where you didn't he didn't have to kick you out,

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you would just leave. He would create such a situation

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where people just like I'm obviously not welcome to here,

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like I resign some people he did straight up like

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you're out, or like the girl from the last episode

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that I mentioned where she was called to this meeting

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and she was berated at the media about how she

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backstamped the union and was going behind their back. And

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it's like creating situations like that forced people out, and

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that's what he was doing with Larry. He wanted him

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out of the union, but he wanted it so that

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he would leave on his own accord. He was not

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going to be the one to kick him out. But

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at some point he even said he had to go

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Joseph Stalin for a bit to get the union back

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on track. Don't like that. At this point in time,

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the union is still trying to strike against Gillomtra Grapes

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and this is proving to be a little more difficult

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than Shenley or did Georgio because this is a bigger,

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bigger company. So they made this new plan where they

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were going to send union members to cities with one goal,

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with just one thing, stop the sale of Gillomtra grapes.

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And a lot of members that were sent out had

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never even left. Like their farming communities. They spoke very

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little or no English. They some of them couldn't even

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read or write. They were sent with enough money to

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survive for one week and then they were given like

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a list of supporters and the tra So yeah, like

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these people will help you when you are lost through whatever,

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but like that's all you're getting from us when we

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goes do what it takes. And many members, you know,

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uprooted their families to go with them for this, because

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you know, anything for the cause for LAOSA. So they

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were sent to like Detroit, Boston, Cleveland, places like that.

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But this wasn't going well. There was this union was

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just it was too big. They were working with the

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team stirs. It just it was it was not as

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it wasn't going as well as the other strikes had

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been going. So they were brought back to Delano in

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December nineteen sixty seven. They were trying to take up

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new waste of boycott. Someone suggested boycotting at the stores,

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but such Harvests didn't want to do that. He's like,

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the stores are like not our goal here. The stores

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don't matter. This is what ended up working. Sometimes you

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have to go to the stores because that's where the

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people are buying, you know, the grapes. Yeah, I could

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see yeah, I mean, yeah, no way, one hundred percent,

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this is what worked. But he was so focused on

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trying to get the distributors those people, so when someone

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suggested this, he was still like no, until later when

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he pretended it was his idea. Right, no, for exactly

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exactly like that. So the new plan now was to

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send fifty farm workers on a bus to New York

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to get Victor Joseph, who was the broker for Giomata

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Grapes on their side. And they didn't know how they

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were going to do it. They were just like, all right,

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all of you get on this bus and go like

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go for the heat, go from Delano to New York

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and this bus and you know, get to work. And

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you know they got there, they got straight to work.

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They even had the New York City mayor on their side.

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But this just wasn't working because Giometta Grapes was just

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changing their shipping like distributors to other companies, like I

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don't know, this weird thing where it just didn't seem

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like it was their grapes and it was like other

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So they were like changing the names of their grapes

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so people wouldn't know that they're actually buying their product exactly,

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or the workers wouldn't know where to strike, where to

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try and stop the grape delivery. And so yeah, this

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just wasn't working. And this is what finally he's like,

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all right, we're gonna boycott all California grapes. It was

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my idea. I said, let's do this, and he said

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it on the Today Show. And so now members were

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sent to the same cities all over, like you know,

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the biggest cities don't buy California grapes, so farm workers

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can have better wages and better working conditions, and they

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do whatever it took to boycott grapes. There was priests

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standing in front of the grapes at stores, praying over

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them and not like like blocking people's way, like no,

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you can't have these grapes, don't buy these grapes. Yes,

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And there were protests outside of the homes of supermarket executives,

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like at all hours, noting them sleep. They used cars

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to block parking lot entrances to the supermarkets. They would

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feel their cards all full of things that are very

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heavy and annoying to put back. Then they would at

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the register say do you carry California grapes? And if

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the clerk said yes, then the person would just leave

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their cart there and it's like that's sex suggests the

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extra work for the yeah for the clerk. But then

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then the stores started saying, okay, we can't stock California grapes,

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and they stopped. They would not carry the grapes because

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it was not good business. The strikes were going well,

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like this working, Yeah, this was working. Growers tried to

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getting help from Ronald Reagan, who was now the governor

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of California, like you need to stop them. This has

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to be illegal something. Then they also tried to get Nixon,

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the president, to help. He was now president at this

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point because he was in support of the growers. I

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don't know if you recall, but when he was campaigning

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for president, he was eating grapes like, yeah, California grapes.

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These are from California. Fuck the farm workers and those

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Mexicans like him, Mexicans out of my country. I hate them. Yeah,

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so I'm gonna keep eating these grapes. But yeah that

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they knew he was on their side, and so, you know,

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they tried to get him to help. But by the

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end of nineteen sixty nine, the boycott really seemed to

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be going to the Union's direction. Store stopped carrying California grapes.

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The Department of Defense more than double their purchase of

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grapes to try and help growers. Of course they fucking did. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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using tax payers money to help growers and buy grapes. Now,

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now they're okay with the state help, hunk, that's actually welfare,

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you know what I mean? No, one hundred percent. I

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can't remember the amount, but like it's a crazy amount

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of money that they were spending on grapes. Of course,

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I mean, this is also supporting a very unpopular war,

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the Vietnam War. And so finally, says such Javist, officially

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took an anti war stance, like publicly, which he never

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wanted to do. Even back when the Union was barely

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organizing and people among the crowd war were anti war,

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he still was like, we're not taking an anti war

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stance as a union. But finally, once the grapes started

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being bought up by the DoD that's when they were like,

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all right, we're against the war. When such Chaves's oldest

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son was drafted, his son applied to be a conscience.

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I hate this word conscience conscientious, isn't it conscientious? Say it?

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I don't know. I thought that's how I say in

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my head when I read that word conscientious. But I

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don't know if that's right conscientious objector we might be

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saying it wrong. I don't know. So he applied to

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be that to oppose the war, and he asked for

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a letter and uh of support from such Javist because

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he was doing this, and so such Javis refused to

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write the letter. He said, if you're really against the war,

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you'd be willing to go to jail for it. So

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I didn't know if so, if you applied to do that,

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then you didn't have to go like to jail. Yeah,

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so you you went in like join the army as

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as this status. But then what they still got drafted? Right,

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it's okay. So from what I'm reading, sometimes a consent

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fucking Christ, these people conscient objects, yes, thank you, I

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can't say the word are given non combatant roles, oh okay,

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and religious and moral objections is what it like falls under.

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And they're usually given civilian or non combatant work, so

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you still serve, but not in combat. And so so

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such Harves is like that's like not like either be

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about it or don't be about it, like like nothing

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was good enough for him. Yeah. I could see his

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attitude because I'd like, I mean, he was willing to

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send Helen to jail. I don't know if he wanted

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to job exactly exactly. So he didn't write it and

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he can be about it. Yeah. And so even though

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like Helen asked him, you know, write the letter, she

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didn't want her son to go to jail. Yea. Other

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people asked him to you know, support his son in this,

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and he didn't do it. He said, like, you'll, you

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should be willing to go to jail because you don't

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believe in this war. And his son ended up doing it,

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going to jail or going to war going to jail.

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Oh wow. Yeah, he like withdrew the conscientious objection objector

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like offered to do like a civilian work for the military,

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and yeah he went to jail instead. Wow. And then

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he spoke publicly about his anti war stance at this

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mass to commemorate the death of Robert Kennedy. And then

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he went on a three month tour after that to

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visit major cities and speak about the Great Boycott too,

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because you know, him speaking would bring up way more

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support for this than if other members were to do it,

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because he's said fans to the union. Yeah, So non stop,

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undred of rallies from septemperature December, no rest, and he

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was treated like a celebrity at every stop. But this

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is what they needed to do. And so by early

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nineteen seventy it was so bad for some of the

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smaller growers that they had to negotiate contracts with the union.

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They were like these smaller farms, like Larson Farms was

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one of them. They were about to lose like their

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whole farm. They couldn't pay their mortgage because of how

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bad these the boycotts were working. And at first he

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didn't want to because he thought this would weaken the boycott,

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but the but then he ended up doing it. So

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he met with the smaller growers and they had a

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three year contract for a one to seventy five an

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hour wage and then ten cents for a health and

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welfare fund. And these smaller growers also agreed to sell grapes,

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but these grapes would all have like the Union label

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on them, and so stores could carry these grapes only

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to like not undermine the strength basically. And so at

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this point the Catholic Church was in support of the

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union and they were helping. They were helping negotiate these meetings.

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And then eventually more and more growers were signing contracts,

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and these contracts brought thirty thousand workers to the union,

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and so now the growers had to rely on the

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union's hiring hall, although workers would go to the union's

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hiring hall, who were then dispatched workers to each location,

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which caused logistical problems for the union does a lot

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of work and that's a lot of people which they

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didn't have enough to like support this. Oh yeah, and

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this this is going to come back later as a

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bigger issue. But you know, there were still work to

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be done. There were still the bigger growers like Giomara left,

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Gio Matter or whatever I've been saying it, Gillo matta

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haven't I yeah. Yeah. Anyway, other organizers and members were

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pressuring Says Javis to soften his demands because now at

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this point, all the other a lot of the other

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growers were starting to sign contracts, so like, you need

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to like make your demands a little better. But he wouldn't.

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Then he started another fast, oh, because it would help

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him strengthen his belief in the cause, he said. And

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I don't know how long this last, this fast lasted,

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I don't think it was that long. Finally, on July sixteenth,

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nineteen seventies, so such Ivis got the call Kyomarra and

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the remaining growers were ready to negotiate, and you know,

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the union broke into celebrations, and so such Ivias had

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two non negotiable non negotiable demands. The contract had to

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be signed at forty acres because the symbolism right. And

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then there also had to be an agreement to resolve

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a problem at the Delano High School because one of

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the growers was on the school board and they had

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been cracking down heavy on the Welga kids, the kids

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of union members, Mexican kids. There had been growing like

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a tension between these students and the rest of the

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school because one they you know, seen their parents and Lacausa.

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They were also starting to call out the teacher's use

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of racial slurs as they should, as they should exactly

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the lack of Hispanic staff, and then the lack of

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resources for farm worker children. Teachers called students beanners. They

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told them like, oh, you don't like it here, go

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back to Mexico. And obviously that's not right, dude, the

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way I would square up man. Of course, who wouldn't.

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So students and parents had been picketing at the school rightfully.

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So twelve seniors were not allowed to graduate for this

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standing up for their rights and their dignity. Wow, including

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Sasa Chavez's daughter Elouise and his niece Dorothy. They were

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involved in this and they weren't allowed to graduate. And

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then at the graduation, police officers stood at the entrance

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guarding it to not let these wellgat kids in, and

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then there was a fight that broke out. All the

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Mexican students were arrested and they were jailed for one weekend. Wow,

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it's wild, Like there's just so much to this movement

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that obviously, like we don't learn about because we learn

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only about the such Jubbs. Yeah, because the textbooks sometimes

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Larry is mentioned sometimes, but I mean, they're just there's

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just so much to making a movement this big, you know,

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that we just don't, you know, learn about. I don't

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know if every high school's is the saying, but I

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think eleventh grade was US history, Yeah, for us And

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there's probably two pages dedicated to everything Latino related. Yeah,

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in those two and I think two pages is being generous.

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I really only remember the such Jubbs being discussed. I

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don't remember any other Mexican related thing, not the walkouts

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from La mm hmmm, which then spread like we talked about,

448
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.279
yeah you know, yeah yeah, and I mean this was

449
00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:59.559
this was another school walkout and yeah, none of this

450
00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:02.680
is talking. So of course, you know, the Mexican students

451
00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:05.839
were signing up for the rights too, and SAYSA Javis

452
00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:09.680
wanted them to first be able to graduate. This is

453
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.160
his family too, but they have a right to graduate.

454
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:14.759
They went to school up until the end and then

455
00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:18.079
they couldn't stand for this treatment anymore. And he wanted

456
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:22.400
that board member that was related to the growers to

457
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:24.559
get fired. He didn't want him on the school board anymore.

458
00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:27.000
That those were his other demands, And I mean, I

459
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:30.119
don't blame them because yeah, yeah. At the meetings, the

460
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:34.200
lodes Berta presented the union's demands, which included a one

461
00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:38.039
dollar eighty five one dollar an hour, oh my god,

462
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:41.920
one dollar and eighty five cents an hour wage this

463
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:44.920
was ten cents higher than they were demanding for other places,

464
00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.240
and so the growers refused, and then the union just

465
00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:51.920
strengthened the boycott and then finally on July twenty ninth,

466
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:57.240
nineteen seventy, they decided to finally sign a contract with

467
00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.759
the union in front of the press at forty acres.

468
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.039
And when they were gonna sign it, the grower, the

469
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:07.039
main grower, the Guillamara like senior whatever his name is,

470
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.880
he like rose his hands like getting a shrug, like fine,

471
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:14.000
all give in and sign this. And yeah, it was

472
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:17.039
like a I mean obviously a good thing and this

473
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:20.480
like symbolic thing where the growers were like, oh, we

474
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:24.519
realized the farm workers don't have horns on their head

475
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.680
and I don't know, like this like they both thought

476
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.640
the other side was like evil, there are people too, Yeah,

477
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.440
and they came together to sign this. The website is

478
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.720
evil and that is a capital. Yeah I joke about

479
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.519
not you know what I mean. It's a capitalist exploiting

480
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:47.960
everyone else for their labor. They are evil. Uh yeah,

481
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:53.240
they do have a horns on it. Yes, And this

482
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:58.119
new contract included the wage rays, a health plan, safety

483
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:03.039
measures involving pesticides because pesticides are bad for workers, you know,

484
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.440
they're bad in general. So that's what all that included.

485
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:09.960
And it's a three year contract. All these contracts, there're years,

486
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:14.200
three year contracts. And so the grape negotiations were coming

487
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.160
to an end, and other farm workers all over California

488
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:20.640
had begun their own strikes and then asking for the

489
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:24.039
United farm Workers' help in these strikes. But these were

490
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:27.119
like such unorganized strikes all happening at the same time.

491
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:28.640
It was like too much for them to even try

492
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:31.240
and help, too many of them happening at the same time.

493
00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:34.400
But sess I decided to help the lettuce strikers next,

494
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:39.000
and they sent out letters to the growers, the lettuce

495
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:42.960
growers about how they were going to represent their workers

496
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:47.720
and they wanted to sign contracts with them. But the growers,

497
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:51.119
lettuce growers, seeing all this go down with the great people,

498
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.440
they were like, no, we're not We're not doing this.

499
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:58.440
They had undermined the workers and signed contracts with the

500
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:05.759
teamsters already teamsters, Yeah, it's always them up for the UfW, Yeah,

501
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.799
And like they had no idea this was happening, and

502
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:11.559
like the the lettuce growers were able to do this

503
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:15.319
in secret, behind the Sister Chavis and the United farm

504
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.880
Workers knowing, and so they thought like let's sound send

505
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:21.240
out these letters. And wait. Now it was like a

506
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:24.039
like crisis mode. Now we have to go down to Salinas.

507
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:27.519
This is where the lettuce is uh lettuce farms are

508
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:29.880
at and so now he had to go down to

509
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:34.400
Stadinas to meet with these growers. But it was his

510
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:39.680
daughter's wedding. La casa doesn't stop for no wedding for nothing,

511
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:43.640
for nothing because he only went to oh and his

512
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:48.400
daughter's wedding was held at the Union Hall, maybe to

513
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:50.799
make it easier for him to attend. I'm not sure

514
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:53.279
what the logistics of it being held. There's also like

515
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.720
a big space, you know, it's available free, so maybe

516
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.279
all those things went into play for that, like choice.

517
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:01.839
But he popped in for one dance and then was

518
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:03.920
like I gotta go. They need me in Selina's I

519
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:08.039
would have been fucking furious, honestly, last he made it.

520
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:11.279
That's true though, that's true, like at least he made it.

521
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:13.640
But yeah, I would have been mad. But his family

522
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:16.599
is very understanding of Like I would have been like, no,

523
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:19.640
I don't forgive you for this, since my wedding day,

524
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:24.480
I will be a bridezilla. No, honestly, you didn't even

525
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:29.279
have a wedding, so shut up. You were there at

526
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:35.839
the park all right, moving on. So no, but if

527
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:43.680
I was having like the celebration, an actual wedding, yeah, yeah,

528
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:45.720
so yeah, he popped in for one dance and then

529
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.640
he left to go to setting Us for meetings. Oh.

530
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:50.799
In all the members that had been sent out previously

531
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:55.160
for the Great boycotts had returned because the strikes are over,

532
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:57.920
and they had been very much looking forward to finally

533
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:00.200
coming home. They are prouted their lives, but their homes.

534
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.039
We're in Delano. But now now it was a lettuce.

535
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:08.480
Now it was lettuce. Yeah, because these growers were this

536
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.920
was way more difficult than grapes. They were ready for

537
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.319
the United Framworkers. When they decided there was going to

538
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:19.319
be a strike, the growers already had like these restraining

539
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:23.319
orders against the strike. So picket line members were arrested

540
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:28.400
quickly the fees to get them out. It was all

541
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:31.400
adding up. So such Havis announced a strike against the

542
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:35.920
bud At company. Their usual tactics were not working, you know,

543
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:39.119
picke line members were being arrested. So they decided we're

544
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:42.960
gonna strike lettuce the same way we striked grapes. And

545
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:47.000
those poor grape boycotters that were sent out to cities

546
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:50.000
to stop the sale of grapes were now We're like,

547
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:51.839
you got to go back out there to stop the

548
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:54.880
cell of lettuce. Damn, they just can't catch a break.

549
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:58.920
But that's what happened. No laa for lacausa. Yeah, and

550
00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:01.759
they did it because they leaved in it, you know. Yeah,

551
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:04.720
So they were sent out to do this. But then

552
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.200
the Butt and so a company they were able to

553
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:10.400
deem the boycott illegal that they couldn't actually do this.

554
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:15.319
How was that possible? Yeah, I'm not sure what how

555
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:17.440
they were able to, but like you know, they it

556
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.440
was deemed illegal like that they weren't allowed to do

557
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:21.799
this because there's all these like labor like these laws

558
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.039
when it gets to striking in protests and things like that,

559
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:26.160
and so I think using some sort of like loophole

560
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:28.519
like that, they were able to like demi illegal. Actually

561
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.119
I read Sorry to Get Yeah, I read this book

562
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:36.200
by a lady who was involved in unions. She worked

563
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.039
for unions and was involved in labor rights and all

564
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:42.240
that stuff, and she explained a lot about how that works,

565
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:47.079
and I wish I remembered, but yeah, that's pointless. Yeah no,

566
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:51.680
but it makes sense you sort of explain a little bit.

567
00:32:53.480 --> 00:33:00.920
That's generous. Yes, So you know, this was deemed i legal,

568
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:04.160
but Sasa Chabas said they would not stop. They were

569
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.920
going to continue their boycott. And then he was charged

570
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:11.319
with the contempt, being in contempt of court and he

571
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:14.000
was sentenced to jail for ten days. Finally he goes

572
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:19.279
to jailma right. And also side note it's a little related.

573
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:22.440
While all this was going on, there had also been

574
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:26.279
failed meetings with the growers, you know, contract negotiations that

575
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:29.240
had fallen through which Dollors Werta was put in charge of.

576
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:31.559
And you know, these kind of things fail for a

577
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:34.799
lot of different reasons. The growers don't want to meet demands,

578
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:38.359
things like that. But Sasa Jabas blamed doors Erta for this,

579
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:40.720
and he wasn't the only one, because she also happened

580
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:42.400
to be six months pregnant at the time, and she's,

581
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:46.400
you know, when an unmarried woman running these meetings. But

582
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:48.119
on top of that, and I think at the time

583
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:51.079
many people didn't know, but this was Richard Chavis's baby.

584
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:56.799
Sinsucha was his brother who's married to Helen's bff. Oh

585
00:33:56.839 --> 00:34:04.119
my god, the drama there, yeah yeah, the lot is girl. Yeah.

586
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.400
I hadn't fat heard about this, No me neither. I

587
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:12.320
was dying when I read it. Two of Richard's daughters

588
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:16.480
went at the union offices and they the books had

589
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:20.519
roughed up that. I'm assuming they beat her ass pregnant

590
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:28.000
God scoring up against a pregnant woman. Yeah, two against one?

591
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:31.880
No no, no, it's two against two. Am you counting

592
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:39.480
the baby? Oh no? Yeah, the featus Oh my god,

593
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:45.159
man is going through it. Yeah. And then sister Chavis.

594
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.480
You know, he knew about this relationship and he would

595
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:49.920
use it against them, to pin them against each other

596
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:52.960
when he could, but he never actually like confronted her

597
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:55.119
for doing any of this, either or his brother. I mean,

598
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:57.400
what is there to do once she's already pregnant? You

599
00:34:57.400 --> 00:34:59.559
know what I mean? Well, it's like, you know, when

600
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.440
you're seeing these little signs like hey, he's married, We're

601
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.159
gonna do what they're gonna do. Sometimes there's no point.

602
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.320
But at the same time, he was also out there

603
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:12.960
cheating on how Yeah, yeah, I do remember hearing that

604
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.400
he's a man and after all, yeah that that cheating

605
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:20.079
scandal will be the next part versus such. So he

606
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:22.360
obviously didn't care if his brother was cheating on his

607
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:26.360
wife because he was doing it too, And he only

608
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:28.000
brought it up when he was like, I got to

609
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:30.840
stir something setting up here to make them like do

610
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:32.760
what I want. So yeah, so yeah, it was the

611
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:36.079
littlest word that's fault that the contracts didn't go through

612
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.320
and okay, so no back this is says such chebis.

613
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.960
He was sentenced to ten days in jail, and during

614
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:45.320
his time in jail, farm workers foreigned vigils outside. On

615
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.360
the third day of his sentence, Robert Kennedy's widow, Ethel

616
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.719
Ethel Kennedy showed up. She marched through hundreds of people

617
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:56.119
holding signs like telling her go home. Their chants were

618
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.199
drowned up by the thousands of farmworkers around them. So like,

619
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:02.239
these hundreds were here protesting like her showing up in

620
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:05.280
support of the union. But then the farm workers came

621
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.480
out in like way bigger numbers than these white people

622
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:12.360
who were like, get out of here, you dirty communists,

623
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:17.760
because she's supporting the union. So the thousands of farmworkers

624
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.360
that had this vigil outside of his jail. They were

625
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:24.960
out there singing DeColores. I love that song, right, yeah,

626
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.880
it's a classic. Honestly, more school should be singing it.

627
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:30.320
I need to teach you to my children. They don't

628
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.000
know it. Oh my god, what am I doing as

629
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:41.079
a mad veiling? It seem as a madre Yes, I'm kidding.

630
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:45.320
Latina blood and my Latina veins. Yeah, it runs through

631
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:52.079
me and it goes no it. Okay, okay, I'm done.

632
00:36:52.119 --> 00:37:02.119
I've done. I'm leaving this meeting. So lost my spot,

633
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:05.000
thanks a lot. Okay. So yeah, she you know, they

634
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.199
were seeing the krotas she placed the candle on this

635
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:11.079
altar that had formed, and yeah, all this was receiving

636
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:15.079
national attention. The Supreme Court, California Supreme Court got involved

637
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.719
and they were like, you know what, the union deman,

638
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:22.400
this boycott illegal, was actually illegal. So that's going away.

639
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.840
So such Haabis is a freeman. Now he is to

640
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:30.679
be freed. The sheriffs at the jail didn't believe the order.

641
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:32.280
They were like, we need to see it in paper,

642
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:34.639
and until they saw that paper, they refused to let

643
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.760
him out. Well, even though they had already like said,

644
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.639
you need to let him go. And just like before,

645
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:43.559
this increased to such Harbist's fame even more and the

646
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.599
demands for the union to help even more. So he

647
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.280
was inundated with demands. He wanted up more isolated location

648
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.159
where he could be left alone. Fournia Acres wasn't it

649
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:55.920
anymore because it was like the headquarters for the union now,

650
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.599
so that couldn't be his sacred place that it was

651
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.360
supposed to be. And then around this time he also

652
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:03.960
had a friend. He he was out here, you know,

653
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.880
making connections and friends with like really important people, which

654
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.559
helped a lot because the union often often needed money.

655
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:13.119
And so he had a friend, Hollywood producer Edward Lewis,

656
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:17.559
who bought an old tuberculosis sanatorium in Keene in the

657
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:22.880
Choppee Mountains, not very close to Delano. And all this right,

658
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:26.199
and so such Avis found long and hard about what

659
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.960
he was gonna name this place, because you wanted this

660
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.320
to be now, that spiritual place that forty Acres was

661
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:35.960
supposed to be, so he called it. But then it

662
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.360
was just shortened to LAPAs, and that's what it became

663
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:40.840
known as LAPAs. So to this day there's like a

664
00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:44.440
very nice looking like memorial versus such a was there

665
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:49.440
that Obama went and like inaugurated or some shit. Yeah,

666
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:53.199
not that long ago, but yeah, that's where the that's

667
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:56.440
where the headquarters are still at for the unitform murders.

668
00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:01.760
So LAPAs he wanted to be a commune. He's never

669
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:06.519
beating these cult leader allegations. No, not anymore, especially not now.

670
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.519
He wanted this to be like a retreat for workers.

671
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:11.960
He would have these three day retreats that were modeled

672
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:16.599
after Roman Catholic guzios, which were strict, immersive programs or

673
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:22.280
like lazy, normal, not really hardcore Catholics to become hardcore Catholics.

674
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.039
That's what the cucios were, and that's what he wanted

675
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:29.199
for the farm workers. So yeah, that's cult. If that's

676
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.000
not culty, I don't know what it is. It doesn't

677
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.719
sound like a retreat to me. But okay, it sounds

678
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:37.239
like fucking work. Sounds miserable actually, So he wanted to

679
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.639
create He wanted to create an education program. But when

680
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:42.400
that was like better than the rest of the education

681
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.000
programs he had ever encountered, his was going to be

682
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:48.159
the best. He also wanted to instill sacrifice as a

683
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:50.440
value to union members. He's like, how do I make

684
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.280
them understand how important sacrifices. How can of course make

685
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:57.000
importance to hanimize themselves to me and what I want? Yeah,

686
00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:01.559
but not only that also for yes, but he also

687
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:05.039
wanted them to understand that sacrifice was important in a

688
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.440
monetary way, like he they needed to sacrifice and take

689
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:12.000
a less pay like tithing. No, like take less pay

690
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:14.119
so he wouldn't have to pay them. Oh my god.

691
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:18.639
Remember they they were running this this myth that staffers

692
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:24.320
are earning five dollars a week. Everything's volunteer work and

693
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:26.840
some and most of it was. But there were people

694
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:30.239
getting you know, wages too, like a salary. But a

695
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:35.360
strong union when it's in the middle of uh striking,

696
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:41.679
supports its workers monetarily exactly. And so he you know,

697
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.119
grew worried when staff started asking if there was going

698
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:45.760
to be a raise in wages because they were still

699
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:48.199
doing five dollars a week and this didn't align with

700
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:50.880
this vision of sacrifice. And he thought, oh, you know,

701
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:55.039
what's the what's going to fix this. Communal living is

702
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:59.639
going to solve the problem of compensation very Cultye, also,

703
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:04.679
my of like the nonprofit like system, or have you

704
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:08.639
seen this this girl who does like reenactments or whatever,

705
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:12.239
like reels videos on Instagram, probably to exact to I imagine,

706
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:14.800
but I've only seen her on Instagram anyway, She's like, Oh,

707
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.159
when your nonprofit boss wants to talk to you about whatever,

708
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:20.159
she has like different like like videos about that. Oh,

709
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:22.599
They're like it's so funny, and then they like feel

710
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:26.559
like that. I never worked at a nonprofit. I did

711
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:33.079
volunteer I one, And yes, it's very much those vibes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

712
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.599
He thought community living was gonna fix this, like they're

713
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.039
not gonna need to ask for higher pay for all

714
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:40.039
living in the same place or something. I don't know.

715
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:45.760
So union members, you know, thought there was a problem

716
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.360
with announcing that LAPAs was going to be the new

717
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.480
communal area for the union because of how isolated it

718
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:54.880
was and how far away it was from the farm

719
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:59.159
the farm work because at least forty acres was in

720
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:02.840
the area, this was not But over time, more and

721
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:06.280
more family started to move to La Bass. Then he

722
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:10.360
officially proposed making Labass the official headquarters instead of forty acres,

723
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:12.920
and of course, like everything he proposed, it was immediately

724
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:15.800
approved because the board was his brain trust. They just

725
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:18.679
did whatever he wanted. Not even Helen wanted to move,

726
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:23.639
but SISA never respects what Helen once. No, No, she

727
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:27.760
hated sanatoriums. She was sent to one when she was

728
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:29.840
a teen because she was sick for a little bit

729
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:32.760
and she felt like she got more sick at a sanatorium.

730
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:36.480
And I think it was the same sanatorium that Wow

731
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:38.679
like abandoned. I think I could be wrong on that

732
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:40.519
part because I read it and I didn't write it down,

733
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:43.239
but either way, she hated sanatoriums. She's like, I don't

734
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:46.119
want to move. But of course, like in everything, she

735
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:49.440
ended up moving. It was after a credible like threat

736
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.760
against to such habss life, so like, okay, fine, she

737
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.880
was consisting that she didn't want to move. She finally

738
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:59.800
did at the end of nineteen seventy one. But yeah,

739
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:03.719
more members were moving and Larry Itlong was like, are

740
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:08.679
you bucking serious? I'm so sick of this man. He's

741
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:14.880
like fuck this. I'm oh, fuck this. He rage quick. Yeah,

742
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.519
he had opposed the move to Lapaz from the beginning.

743
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:21.119
He's like, this sounds more and more like a cult.

744
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:23.880
He didn't say the word cult, but he's like, everyone

745
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:26.800
just does whatever Sesa Javist tells them. I'm tired of it.

746
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:31.039
Thepino the Filipino workers are treated second to the Mexican workers.

747
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:33.199
I'm like, I'm sick of this. He hit the point

748
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:38.480
where Gretchen Nuiners loses it. Yeah, yeah, he really did,

749
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:41.719
because Lapass was the last straw for him. He's like, no,

750
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.119
and he quit in October in nineteen seventy one. And

751
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:48.239
and that's what he Javis wanted to And you know what,

752
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:52.400
I'm Tim Larry. I'm sorry to that. Honestly me too. Yeah,

753
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:56.880
but I'm Tim Larry Yea. And the members that had

754
00:43:56.920 --> 00:44:00.559
stayed behind in forty Acres and Delno work more and

755
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:03.400
more frustrative. They were wanting to meet with, says Saturday.

756
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:05.920
There's those issues they needed to talk about. So such

757
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.079
I was was never around. He was like that bass.

758
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:10.760
He was in a pass or he was touring around

759
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.920
doing other things, and in New York for a meeting

760
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:17.960
and blah blah blah, like never in Delano. They were

761
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:19.880
starting to tell him or they were starting to feel

762
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:21.840
like he was losing touch with the farm workers. He

763
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.199
was in like of the people he was telling out. Yeah,

764
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:28.880
you know, people were bringing these things up. Eventually Richard,

765
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:31.159
his own brother, brought it up, like, hey, you know

766
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:34.039
the people were they're telling me these things that you're

767
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.559
like not of the people anymore. You're never here when

768
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.519
they need you. You're not like they never ever see you.

769
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:45.719
No one sees you. You're never here. Another complaint that

770
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:49.480
even growers are eager to send contracts like this. There's

771
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:53.559
there was this like very democratic grower. I can't remember

772
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:57.280
his name right now, No, it's escaping me. Was he white?

773
00:44:57.559 --> 00:44:58.920
He was white? Yeah, I feel like I know who

774
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.239
you're talking about. I think I heard of him. You

775
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:04.920
probably do. I shouln't remember. It's anything they're but yeah,

776
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:06.840
it's not coming to me. But he was one of

777
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:09.360
the first to sign a contract with the union. He

778
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.039
also helped out with like buying land for the union.

779
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.239
So even he was like, hey, what is going on,

780
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:20.519
something like the hiring halls they really suck. Whatever we

781
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:24.239
want workers, you're sending them out to do other strikes

782
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:26.519
and then we don't have workers and we're losing money.

783
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.199
The hiring halls were full of inexperienced white volunteers. Because

784
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.679
he didn't want to pay anyone to staff these hiring halls,

785
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:34.960
and the hiring halls is where like the workers are

786
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.800
supposed to go to then get dispatched to poms and

787
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:41.760
these were not working. The workers were yeah, again not experienced,

788
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.880
they didn't speak Spanish. They were white, that that wasn't

789
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:48.039
the issue is is that the language failure and that

790
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:50.159
no one respected them because they were white, so I

791
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.519
guess it was an issue actually, and they were young,

792
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:55.079
so yeah, nobody respected them. So such, Chebus could never

793
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:57.519
be reached. Richard was out here trying to put buyers

794
00:45:57.519 --> 00:45:59.719
out and there was just too much for him by himself.

795
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.400
So that was the issue that even growers that were

796
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:06.400
sympathetic to the cause were like, what is going on?

797
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:08.960
We cannot work like this. They're like, we're trying to

798
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:12.599
help you, but you're not helping us help you exactly.

799
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:16.239
Whenever they brought this up to this Chavis, he's like, no, no,

800
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:19.119
we're not the problem. The hiring halls are fine. He's

801
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:21.679
like literally just like no, no. But he never had

802
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.719
even gone right, like he was busy, no, no, yeah,

803
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:28.199
And like it got so bad that even when Richard

804
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:31.760
brought this up, they got into like this insane shouting match,

805
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:34.519
and Sasan like was like, all right, you're not working

806
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.000
at Delano anymore, and he like pulled him from Delano,

807
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:39.800
like he kicked him out, damn. And for a while

808
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:43.079
they came back, but Richard and the roaders were that

809
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.239
left the union for a little bit because of this,

810
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:48.079
though eventually they would come back. But at the same

811
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:50.639
time as this, you know, this was all going on

812
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.599
with the hiring halls, the great contracts were reaching that

813
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:57.159
three year limit that they had to be renewed, and

814
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:00.000
with all their problems with the hiring halls, and even

815
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:04.039
now at this point, growers that like initially hated the union,

816
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.719
like like Guiomara, they were like, we don't want to

817
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.199
end the contracts, but we can never You never give

818
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.760
us workers because they're out there striking other issues, like

819
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.320
they'll lettuce. So like, if you know, things don't change,

820
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:22.320
they have to go with the teamsters, not the fucking teamsters.

821
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:26.039
Another thing that was more appealing to even workers is

822
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.760
that the Teamsters didn't have them out there working on

823
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:32.239
political campaigns on the weekends. They just you know, they

824
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:34.599
were offering more money and they didn't have to go

825
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:39.079
out there boycotting and working on their days off or

826
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:43.840
being pulled out to work on strikes like the Unitedform Workers,

827
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:47.960
which like, yeah, the teams, the teamsters, they were just there.

828
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:51.159
Sometimes they were able to secure higher wages, but they

829
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.880
weren't for the workers. They were just like whatever. But

830
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:56.960
that was starting to be more appealing to people who

831
00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:59.519
had been members of the Unitedform Workers because they needed money,

832
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:02.880
they needed work. And so you know, the letter strike

833
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:06.719
is going on, the grape contracts are about to be lost,

834
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:09.119
and says such, howves isn't doing anything about it? In

835
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:12.239
the middle of all this. August fifteenth, nineteen seventy three,

836
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:17.000
that's where we're at now, a man named Nagi Daifula

837
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:20.239
was at a bar in Lamont and a fight broke

838
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:22.719
out in this bar in the bathroom, and the bartender

839
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:25.760
called the police. The sheriff deputies arrived. The fighting was

840
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.199
going on still, Naki threw a beer bottle that hit

841
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:34.639
Deputy Gilbert Dupper. Probably not duper, maybe it is duper.

842
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.800
I'm wondering if I mistyped that. You know, I don't

843
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:43.800
know this. This officer chased Nagi out out into the

844
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:47.280
street and he hit him with his flashlight. Which caused

845
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:49.599
Nagi to fall. When he fell, he hit his head

846
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:51.840
on the curb and then he passed out and he

847
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.519
lost consciousness and then he died at one am from

848
00:48:54.559 --> 00:49:00.719
a concussion. So this fight was just a fortunate fight,

849
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:05.159
police brutality that ended the life of a man. Right,

850
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:10.079
It wasn't related to the union. But then they found

851
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:12.480
out that Nagi was a card carrying member of the

852
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:17.000
United farm Workers, and overnight he was a martyr, even

853
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:21.679
though his death didn't have anything to do with yeah strikes. Yeah,

854
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.639
but hey, they're gonna do what they need to do, right, Yeah,

855
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:28.039
And I mean, you know, he was twenty four, he

856
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:31.960
was young. He had been a captain at picket lines

857
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:35.400
for the union as well, so he was like deep

858
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:38.239
in the union. He had left Yemen in hopes of

859
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.639
becoming a doctor, but then he ended up working in

860
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:44.119
the field. He was a strike captain during the nineteen

861
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:48.639
seventy three Great Farmer Strikes. He spoke Arabic, English and Spanish.

862
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:53.199
He learned Spanish, you know, in his work in the fields.

863
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:58.800
And yeah, he was an important organizer within the Yemeni community.

864
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:05.679
So he was an important member. Yeah. One Sisu Chabas

865
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:09.239
didn't know about until he passed away, you know. But

866
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.480
the United farm Workers went on to say the following

867
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:15.400
about him. Nagi dai Fula came to this country from

868
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:18.639
his native Yemen looking for a better life. Yemenese farm

869
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.719
workers are the latest group to come to California and

870
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:24.719
be exploited by state growers. Most of them, like Nagie

871
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.440
or young men in their early twenties, shine and slight

872
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.199
a frame. They speak no English, and they live in

873
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:32.760
barren labor camps. They come because Yemen is one of

874
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:35.159
the poorest countries in the world. He served as an

875
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:40.119
interpreter for union organizers. He was an active UfW member.

876
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:45.000
He provided important leadership roles for workers on strike in

877
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.760
Arvin and Lamont, California. Yeah, he was an important member.

878
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:54.280
Over seven thousand attended his funeral. Wow, you know, once

879
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:58.199
they martyreed him. But again, like his death didn't have

880
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:02.639
anything to do with the strikes. But they lost an

881
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:09.119
important member of the UNI. But they did, of course. Yeah,

882
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:11.360
so says such. Javis announced that he would do a

883
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.880
three day fast in his honor. The day after Nagi's death,

884
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.719
a sixty year old farm worker was on a picket

885
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.880
line Juan de la Cruz, and as they were picketing,

886
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.199
a truck passed by and fired shots at the picket line.

887
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:31.760
He was killed. He died that same day in surgery.

888
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:36.719
Now he was killed while on the picket line, you know,

889
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:40.079
So he received the same type of funeral, same attention

890
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:43.119
of obviously deserved. Both of them were members, but he

891
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.840
was literally killed on the line, like what picketing. Yeah,

892
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:49.360
so Sisu chavish one thousands marched in his honor. Two

893
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:52.239
men were arrested for this, I think, I want to say,

894
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:56.119
I've read before about this, and they were working for

895
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.280
the growers for sure. The men that were arrested, yeah

896
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:03.239
that killed Oh oh okay, I sorry. At first I

897
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:05.760
thought it meant two men were arrested at the march,

898
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:10.679
but the men that fired the shots that were arrested, okay. Yeah,

899
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:12.440
And there was marches going on right right at the

900
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:16.079
same time. Yeah. Cesar Chavez announced that he would end

901
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:19.320
the strikes because it was evident United farm workers were

902
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:24.079
at risk of death and the government would not do

903
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:27.880
anything to ensure their safety. But in reality, the union

904
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.639
was losing so much money during these strikes they were

905
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:32.360
not going to be able to sustain this, like why

906
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.239
they had done with the grapes, Like they were going

907
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:38.360
to lose this strike. They were hemorrhaging money. They were

908
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:41.320
not like at this point when these two deaths happened,

909
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:42.960
they were not going to be able to afford the

910
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:48.039
strikes anymore. And so he blamed the safety of the

911
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:52.039
United farm Workers for the reason to end the strike,

912
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.880
you know, saying like this is the police's fault, the growers,

913
00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:59.519
they're all in it together. But it wasn't that. It

914
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:01.400
was that they where they were gonna lose this. He

915
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:04.079
didn't have enough members. The teamsters had won most of

916
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:08.519
the contracts that were formerly the unions, and so he

917
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:12.079
ended those strikes and they like they didn't win them,

918
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:15.360
but they had to end. But he used these deaths

919
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:20.079
as the reason for them ending. And so after this happened,

920
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:24.960
he he was like, you know what, we're we're losing

921
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:30.000
this strike. We're losing members because there's people here that

922
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:33.920
are not loyal enough and because of the undocumented workers

923
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:37.880
is what he blamed. But really they were just the

924
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:41.239
union halls, the hiring halls was that was fucking them over.

925
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:46.480
The union just wasn't organized enough. He didn't want someone

926
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:48.519
under him. He wanted to be the one in charge,

927
00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:51.599
but then he wasn't there. He was Lapaz. And then

928
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:54.639
right after all this happened, he also went like on

929
00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:57.519
this tour. I think it was three months or something.

930
00:53:57.559 --> 00:53:59.239
I don't remember how long the tour was because that's

931
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:00.920
gonna be an ex episod. But he went on a

932
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:04.119
tour in Europe to try and like gain sympathy from

933
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:09.400
people buying lettuce and stuff over there and money, you know.

934
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:11.960
And so at the same time he was out here saying,

935
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:14.559
you know what, there's junior members that are not loyal enough,

936
00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:17.519
and also these undocumented workers are like fucking us over

937
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:22.199
he can called them other names, derogatory names, right, And

938
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:25.880
so what followed was another purge, another big purge of

939
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:30.360
the union. And then also such offic's involvement in deportations.

940
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:33.679
Don't like that, yeah, because you know what was their

941
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:37.280
fault that they were these lettuce strikes, So mass deportations.

942
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:41.199
And then like sen and on and the follow the

943
00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:45.239
union Oh wow, wow, wow, wow, that's gonna be the

944
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:47.320
next part. That's gonna be the last part, I'm sure,

945
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:51.559
But that all came after this. But I will say

946
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:54.599
the person who started the deportations, was his brother. Wow,

947
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:58.239
we'll get into a next episode, yeah, Richard, But they

948
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:02.400
had the same beliefs. So it's just, you know, very

949
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:06.320
unfortunate that the most oppressed, most in need of protection

950
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:10.440
are blamed instead. And it's never ending, right, We're still

951
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:14.400
giving the same false narrative one hundred percent and him

952
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:18.320
doing this blaming the undocument of workers cause such like

953
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:21.280
a split in the union. And again we'll get into

954
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:22.960
a next episode, but because that's going to be the

955
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:25.800
next part. But yeah, if there was not one, no,

956
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:29.079
and this is a very, like even today, polarizing issue,

957
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:32.519
right when it's, like you said, the people who needed

958
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:35.280
to support the most. And also it's just such a

959
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:40.280
hypocritical thing too. We have fools whose parents came here, yeah,

960
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:45.199
as undocumented, might possibly still be undocumented, and yet have

961
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:47.320
these beliefs and it's not a bitch. Where would you

962
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:50.639
be right now? You know? Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

963
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:52.760
And then they like you ask them that and they

964
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:54.840
just kind of go in circles when nothing makes sense,

965
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:57.519
because how do you justify that. You can't you have

966
00:55:57.599 --> 00:55:59.679
to be you have to have the worst cognitive dissonance

967
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.440
in the world. World and they do m M, it's insane.

968
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:05.000
But yeah, what do you think of all this? We've

969
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.519
reached the end of the episode. God, first of all,

970
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:11.599
no offense, but I thought would never end. I know,

971
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:14.119
there was just so much in here. I'm just tired.

972
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:17.400
It was very interested. I was very invested. But at

973
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.760
the same time, you know how it is, it's the

974
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:23.360
time of day we record. Yeah, and you're getting sick.

975
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:26.800
You sound dying. I feel like every time we record

976
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:28.639
at the end, I'm like, I'm sorry, I was dying,

977
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:31.599
but I tried my best, and honestly, with all the editing,

978
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:34.639
you can't even tell how. I'm just kidding. No, No,

979
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:37.400
we're not disengaged. You were fine. You've been worse. It

980
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.400
took all my effort to be engaged. Let's say you were.

981
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:47.079
You were worse at the Spanish. Yes, that was completely

982
00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:49.440
your fault, and I don't actually apologize for that. No,

983
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:51.880
I know. It's also different when you're the one reading

984
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:54.679
it than when you're listening. And I'm listening, I had

985
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:56.760
to have like a little pop toy in that I'm

986
00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:00.079
just like pressing or I'll start dozing off, even if

987
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.880
I don't want to, even if that's interesting. No, yeah,

988
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:05.960
but I mean it's just, you know, what a journey

989
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:08.880
to learn about in depth about to such have this

990
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:11.519
and I'll just say my thoughts till the end, till

991
00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:14.639
the end end of our journey. Yeah, yeah, next part

992
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:16.239
will be the last part. But yeah, there's just so

993
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:17.719
much that I didn't know that. I'm like, I want

994
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:19.039
to include this, and I'm like, oh my god, am

995
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:20.639
I including too much? And then I'm like, oh, what

996
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:23.119
have I done? I mean, I'm enjoying it, and I

997
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:24.960
want to read that book. I do want to follow

998
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:26.559
it from you. No, no, you said you got an ebook,

999
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.880
but anyway, I want to read too. But yeah, I

1000
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:33.920
mean let us know either on Instagram and we finally

1001
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:37.440
post about this. Oh yeah, I don't know if I

1002
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:39.159
should post now or just wait until the next part

1003
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:41.719
because I just posts. But also I don't know if

1004
00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:44.519
you were done with that thought yet. It's fine. I

1005
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:46.360
was just going to say that. I don't know if

1006
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:47.400
you were going to bring it up. But we have

1007
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:52.719
a Patreon member. Oh yes we do. Yes, shout out

1008
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:56.000
Chata for joining the Patreon. I sent out your sticker

1009
00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:58.800
and yeah, thanks so much. We will start doing bonus

1010
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:02.719
episodes soon, yes, yes, and if you want to, if

1011
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:05.199
you want to be as cool as Chata, then join

1012
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:08.280
the Patreon. We have two tiers. I can't remember them

1013
00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:11.960
right now, but basically, you know, you get ad free

1014
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.360
episodes early, you get a shoutout just like Chata did

1015
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:18.320
right now, and a sticker. Yeah. The highest hear gets

1016
00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:21.559
the sticker. And also, I noticed we have more ratings

1017
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:24.880
on Spotify, So thank you everybody who you know supports

1018
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:30.239
the podcast by listening, rating, reviewing, interacting with our social media,

1019
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:34.119
and joining the Patreon. Yeah. I mean all this means

1020
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:36.599
a lot, but I especially love comments and messages just

1021
00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:39.079
because it's like, oh, we're not talking to just each other,

1022
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:42.199
we know to the void. Yeah, we know that there's

1023
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:44.599
people listening, and obviously we know, but it's different when

1024
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:47.599
you finally reached out to you know. Yeah yeah, but

1025
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:49.440
all right, I guess that brings us to the end.

1026
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:52.679
But thank you everyone for listening, and we hope this

1027
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.840
is one less estoria known for you. My