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Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is
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Estodias Unknown, a podcast where we talk about Latin American history.
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Sometimes it's horrible and deals with tibe topics like it's
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corruption and genocide. But more than that, it's also about power,
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resistance and community. Resistance goes first, resistance, power on community.
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But okay, it's fine, it's fine, tam. Okay, Well, I
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tried to do it off at the top of my noggin.
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I mean, you said it, yeah, but it was wrong.
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It was wrong. It was wrong. Okay, Well, this is
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a me episode. I have the notes. I was very
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excited about this topic, so much that I changed last
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minute to this topic. So we both recently watched Sinners.
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What are you talking about today? You'll see? Okay, yes
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we did, and we loved it. Yeah, and I hate
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to bring this up again because it's a very tired,
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uh topic. Oh, but it's what inspired my topic today. Okay.
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But unsurprisingly, after Sinners came out one Latino in a
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very Gina Rodriguez fashion. There might have been more, but
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that's the one that went viral. Yeah, he's the only
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one that went viral. The what I saw, and then
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people are answering him again and again and again and again.
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So yeah, he made a video, you know, for there
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was more to the video, and he's very annoying in it,
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and he was like, where are all the Latinos? Understandably,
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so this sparked off internet discourse after discourse, a little tiring,
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but all with good reason. You know, some creators are
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calling out Latinos for their anti blackness, for only asking
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about Latino representation when it comes to black movies. Hm. Yeah,
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it's very much deserved criticism. Yes. And then another thing
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that has come up, which a lot of people are
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saying this we weren't missing from the movie, which I
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agree with. And these are all valid points. But this
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is a history podcast, and you might be wondering, why
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are you talking about Sinners? Yeah? Why are you bringing
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centers up? Well, because in all this discourse, I keep
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seeing one event in your's history mentioned again and again.
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It's given as a reason why there are no Mexicans
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in Sinners. Do you know that event? Repatriation? Yes, Mexican repatriation.
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Why did I think we talked about that already? I
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keep thinking we talked about it? And I was searching
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in my notes and I'm like, really, we don't have
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a full episode about this. Oh okay, it's because it's
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made appearances and various episodes, like a lot of episodes. Yeah,
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it has. And yeah, and you know what last time
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started to keep kidding off. Last time, I was like,
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have we talked about this already? And then you're like,
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we talked about it in episodes, but not as it's
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it's on topic. You're right, you're right, yeah, yeah, because
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it came up again in your payat episode. Yeah, that
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was the most recent time that I was wondering right
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about this topic. Yeah yeah, And uh so you know,
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my amateur historian obsessive brain, I was like, I need
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to figure out, is this really the reason why there's
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no Mexicans in the movie? Were we really not there?
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Were we even there during this time period? Hence today's
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episode a brief History of Mexicans and the Mississippi Oh wow? Okay, yeah,
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so still not directly about the repatriation. No, No, otherwise
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I would have called it a brief history of Mexican repatriation. No. Well,
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that's what give me the hint that it's not about it.
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I thought at first it was about going to be
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about that. Okay, Yeah, your assumption makes sense. I'm here
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for it. Yeah. So Sinners is set in nineteen thirty
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two in the Mississippi Delta, and as we know because
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we've talked about it, we've mentioned it in other episodes,
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Mexican Repatriation, which was the deportation and expulsion of Mexican
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and Mexican American citizens from the US. This took place
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between nineteen twenty nine and nineteen thirty nine, during which
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three hundred thousand, two two million Mexican and Mexican American
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citizens were deported. Wow, during the Mexican repatriation. So it
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makes sense to say, well, there were no Mexicans in
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Mississippi because of Mexican repatriation, but there weren't much Mexicans
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before that anyway, right, No, in the other way. And
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so the answer, of course is more complicated than that,
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because I think there's like there's videos with like a million,
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five hundred thousand likes on Instagram and TikTok as well
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as posts on all social media saying like, well the
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reason Mexicans are in centers is because of Mexican repatriation.
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But again, it's more complicated than that. And hence why
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I needed to look into this. So, if you recall
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from our episode episode fifty three, a short history of
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La Placita Vera and Operation Went Back Episode ninety, we
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talked a little bit more about Mexican repatriation then, and
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even outside of Mexican repatriation, there has been other mass
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deportations of Mexicans and Mexican Americans, and both of these instances,
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Mexican repatriation and Operation Wetback both included a lot of
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self deportations as well, which were included in that number.
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And again we have said this before, but these happened
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from that decade twenty nineteen twenty nine to thirty nine,
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and then in the nineteen fifties is Operation Wetback and
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the methods of deportation during Mexican repriatoration included mass raids.
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But these mass raids really only took place in La
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and California, as we know from like La Placita l
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Vera when we talked about the raid that happened there.
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These type of big publicized raids were only there, and
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there were also small scale workplace raids across the Southwest.
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If you recall Jzuspayats. This was during Mexican repatriation and
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a lot of these deportations were to stop labor movements
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that a lot of them were workplace raids. And this
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happened yeah, across the Southwest, where there were more Mexicans obviously,
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and again the biggest number of deportees was from California,
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so much so that Los Angeles are and the state
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of California apologized for it. I didn't know they apologized. Yeah,
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I sit it in the Pleasitalbera episode. Oh I forgot,
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not for operation went back, but for the repretation they did.
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And then there's that monument. That's what that's there for
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for that time period, and that's where most of these
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deportations took place. But they also happened in Indiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Minnesota, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, Illinois,
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West Virginia, Oregon, Idaho, Washington, and Colorado. Oh wow, because
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Mexicans were there during this entire Yeah, I mean, you know,
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Mexicans follow the words. Yeah, outside of California, other than Texas,
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the states with the largest number of deported Mexicans. Can
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you guess which ones they were? Oregon, I would have
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guessed that too. I would have given Oregon in Washington. No,
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Indiana and Illinois, oh well, which are kind of next
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to each other. So unlike the raids in California, the
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raids in Indiana and Illinois were they were way more
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subtle and like even subversive you could say. And a
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quick reminder. But all of this the Mexican Repaid creation.
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This is happening during the Great Depression. The Mexicans were
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blamed for the Great Depression which led to the all
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the deportations, and yeah, Mexicans were being blamed for the
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lack of work, and so in Indiana and Illinois specifically,
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they made these relief programs to help those affected by
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the growing number of unemployment of the people unemployed because
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of the Great Depression. But this assistance was withheld from Mexicans.
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They couldn't use this assistance as well as as well
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as Mexican American citizens. They couldn't use this to encourage
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them to leave. And so this encouraged a lot of
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self deportations and those who did not self deport were
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forcibly removed. So like in the Indiana Harbor there was
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one thy eight hundred deported. Wow, in Gary, Indiana, there
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was one thousand, five hundred deported, and the governor of
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Chicago reported deportations as saving the city of Chicago to
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twenty one thousand dollars because they were these Mexican children
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were no longer attending public schools, and they were like, Wow,
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look at all this money we can save. I'm just like,
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every time we hear like a racist coming from back then,
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I'm like, it does it? It floors me by At
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the same time, like it wouldn't surprise me to hear
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somebody say at present day either, you know, especially right now. Yeah.
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On top of that, these areas, but they created programs
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where they made one way train rise to Mexicano go
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way cheaper to encourage self deportations, and a lot of
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people did take advantage of those lower fees. Mexican consulates
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in the US were willing to provide assistance to repatriate Mexicans.
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They were willing to work with getting them back and
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giving money to help them return. And this was coming
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all over the US except some locations where they were
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not willing to help. One of those places being Mississippi.
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They did not help Mexicans in Mississippi repatriate, like Mexico
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didn't help, like the Mexican consulates did not help Mexicans
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in Mississippi repatriot. So no, the reason Mexicans were not
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in Mississippi in the nineteen thirties was not Mexican repatriation
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because they were not helping them. Okay, I see what
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you're saying. Do you know what I'm saying? Yes, yeah, yeah,
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so yeah, I mean like all this to share Mexican
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Like I just said, Mexican repatriation is not the reason
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why Mexicans were missing from the movie. But this, you know,
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this leaves the question where there are even Mexicans there,
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And that's a yes, but not a lot. So Mexican
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labors were recruited to Mississippi as really as nineteen oh eight, wow,
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And this grew in nineteen ten and peaked in nineteen
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twenty five. And they were coming mostly from Texas. From Texas,
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they were being recruited to work in other places like Arkansas, Louisiana, Kentucky,
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and Mississippi. But most of these Mexicans or Techanos went
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to Mississippi to work by the Mississippi River the Mississippi
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Delta to pick cotton. And like with most Mexicans at
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that time and even like today, maybe not so much now,
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but Mexicans are seasonal workers. They travel, they're not afraid
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to pick up and leave to follow the work. Right,
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So the major already of these Texans that were going
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to Mississippi, it was seasonal work for them. So like
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thousands of them were in the area from September early September,
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which was the beginning of cotton picking season, and then
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by winter they would either return to Texas or to
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Mexico and then they would come back to work. And
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throughout the years, some of those thousands of workers that
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went from Texas to Mississippi did stay year round working
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alongside black sharecroppers picking cotton. And even though Mexican migration
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peaked in nineteen twenty five, there were small numbers of
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Mexicans in the area that stayed through even the Great Depression,
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through all of the nineteen thirties in the area. And
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so since the end of slavery in the US, white
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plantation owners they were dreaming, like feeding for a way
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to replace their formerly free labor due to the enslavement
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of black people. Of course, this dream of theirs and
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you know, combined with being so racist that they were
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not willing to negotiate with black shattercroppers. This led them
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to seek immigrants to replace their formerly free black labor.
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That's frustrating. Yeah, and they tried with Chinese workers first,
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but Chinese workers were not willing to put up with
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the abuse from the plantation owners. Most of them left
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right away. Those that stayed in the area opened up
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grocery stores. Instead of picking cotton, they owned stores, and
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these stores worked around Jim crow By s we were
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seeing both white and black people like we saw on
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Sinners with the own race. That's why they're in the
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movie because Chinese communities were essential in this time period,
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and they were the first to really bend the Like
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white people didn't know what to do with Chinese people.
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They're like, they do we include them with black people?
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Or we racist to them too, like they were. They
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didn't know how to treat them. Yeah, yeah, they were
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confused like this Jim crow strict era. But they worked
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with both people. So yeah, I mean that's the reason
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they're a big part of the movie because they were
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a big part of the community as well. And so
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Southern plantation owners then tried to use Italian immigrants to
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replace their free labor they had before, but this didn't
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work either because they were not willing to put up
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with the abuse, and most of them left the area
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as well because the pay was not worth the violence
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and tactics used by the white plantation owners. And this
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is where Mexicans enter the picture. So they started arriving
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in nineteen oh eight to work in the cotton fields,
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and a lot were unwilling to put up with the violence,
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and a lot of them left, and then they warn't
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other people not to go there because it was so violent,
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but a small amount did stay in the area. And
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the violence was so bad that Mexican revolutionaries were writing
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about the plight of Mexican immigrants in the South. Really wow. Yeah.
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They wrote things like and a quote the abuse is
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evidence of the evils of Yankee capitalism. Here here. In
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an article from La Requeeneracion from nineteen twelve, Ricardo Floris
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Magone wrote the following, The treatment of Mexicans is worse
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than the blacks. It pierces the heart and makes the
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blood boil. To see the lives of our brothers in Texas,
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Louisiana and Mississippi. Seeing the treatment that is given to
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Mexican workers in the South and witnessing how they are
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humiliated and degraded makes the shed tears and yearn for vengeance. Wow,
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it was bad, and these articles in Spanish newspapers led
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many Mexicans to not even try and go there for work,
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except for Mexicans in Texas who were used to similar abuses.
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Like there was a whole period in Texas known as
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La Matanza, a ten year period where the what the
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fuck are they called the Texas Rangers were out here
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murdering Americans. Yeah, which is another topic for another day.
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So they were more used to this violence and they're like,
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I can't be worse in Texas. So because of that,
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that's why you see most of the Mexicans that ended
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up in Mississippi were from Texas, which is very interesting
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to me just to see where people like, you know, go,
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I think it makes sense because Texas is kind of