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Hi everyone, This is Carmen and Christina. This is Istois
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Unknown in podcast where we've talked about Latin American history,
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sometimes the torrible and deals with heavy topics like racism, corruption,
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and genocide. But more than that, it's also about resistance,
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power and community. What are we what are we talking
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about today? Well, Carmen, in episodes sixty one through sixty five,
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we discussed Allende, the coup that overthrew him, Yeah, which
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was orchestrated by the US, which put dictator Pinochet into power,
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which marked the beginning of his decades long dictatorship. Yeah,
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that ended in nineteen ninety. And I realized that in
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those episodes I completely skipped over the Chicago Boys. I
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really only mentioned their name. Oh that's right, yeah, yeah,
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And they were a big part of this, But I
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just I was already doing so much research that I
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didn't I couldn't add them on. And a while ago,
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like almost two years ago, maybe I posted a video
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about the School of Americas on both TikTok and Instagram.
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But on TikTok somebody commented, can you talk about the
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Chicago School or the School of Chicago, And I was like,
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oh yeah, And then I forgot about it completely until
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right now because I was reading The Shock Doctrine by
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Naomi Klein, and first of all, the book talks about
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so much. It's such an important read, especially in these times.
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But it reminded me to finally do an episode on
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the Chicago Boys because they're a big part of the book.
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And again, I never explained it in those episodes. I
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just said who. I just said, like, they did the
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economy stuff and they sucked. I think maybe this That's
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all I said. Okay, I was just going to remember
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do you remember the context in which they were mentioned
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in those episodes in a sentence where I was like,
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and he put the Chicago Boys in charge of like
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the economy you plan for his dictatorship. And that was
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about it. That's all I said. If I even said
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that much, I honestly can't remember. I think you said
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that because I do. They're not in my notes. Oh
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I do remember that you mentioned that they were had
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something to do with the economy. M hm, So who
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were they? They were a group of Chilean economists who
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studied at the University of Chicago under Milton Friedman. Do
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you know the name? Yeah, that sounds very familiar, and
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at first glanced this may seem completely right, like, oh,
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it's just some people from Chile studying in the United States.
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And for those who don't know, because I needed the refresher,
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I know I heard the name, but I didn't know
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anything else. Milton Friedman. Yeah, I recognize the name, and
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I'm like trying to remember for the left of me,
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why what specifically I know him from. I know somewhere.
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It's something in the economics world, obviously, but that's all
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I remember. Yeah, anyway, moving on, So Milton Friedman. He
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was an American economist and statistician. He even received the
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nineteen seventy six Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Scientists for
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his research on consumption analysis, monetary history and theory, and
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the complexity of stabilization policy. Stabilization policy. That doesn't sound
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good though to me, writing sounds like an expert in
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destabilizing economies. You don't say, all right, I downe foretold Okay.
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In nineteen seventy he wrote a New York Times essay
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called a Freedman doctrine. The social responsibility of business is
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to increase its profits, a theory that argues that the
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main responsibility of a business is to maximize the revenue
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and increase returns to shareholders. Basically, no company is obligated
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to engage in social responsibility. And sure whatever if this
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is only applied to businesses, yeah, okay, but governments and
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country I don't know about that, right, because, like if
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you wanted to, if you went and colonized the country,
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you have a responsibility to the people, to me to
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a society. If you want to be in charge of society,
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you need to care for the people in the society.
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Things like that, right, Yeah, Like countries or governments are
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not businesses should not be ran like businesses. That's not
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how things work or should work, right, And so his
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little theory should have really only been ever applied to businesses.
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But I will add here that it should be no surprise.
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But guess what group of people love Milton Friedman and
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the Chicago Boys, the right wing A specific group tech bros.
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Do you give up? Oh wow, so I'm just way off. No, No,
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I mean some tech brows probably fall under this too. Capitalists, Libertarians,
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all libertarians. Wow, I just don't think about them, right,
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I forget things. Do you remember that story of that
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liberty are in town and it went to shit so
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fast town. Yeah, they had a libertarian town so in
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the US, and then basically no one was picking up
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the garbage because they no one you forget even and
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I think bears ended up overrunning the town. Wow, No,
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I don't remember where it was. I remember they tried
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to start like a society on a boat or some
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shit like that. And oh, that didn't work out for
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them either. It never works out. Yes, libertarians love his
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school of thought. Under Milton Friedman, the Chicago Boys learned
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to emphasize neoliberal principles. They advocated for free markets, deregulation,
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and privatization and presented these as solutions to countries and
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economic crisis, which how in what world? But we know
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you and I know, yeah, that neoliberalism is never the answer. Yeah,
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that's why they were so fucked right now. Even then, though,
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you'll find people that still celebrate the Chicago Boys and
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Milton Freedmen. No way, of course. But let's go back
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to the beginning for a second. Where did this start?
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Milton Freedman, he is considered a second generation member of
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the Chicago School of Economics, but because he's one of
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the biggest reasons this was so widely implemented in Latin America.
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I'm not worrying about anyone else in this episode. I
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don't care. He along with the other main person who
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was teaching the Chicago Boys who then went to Chile first.
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That guy's George Stigler, and so together they were the
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leading scholars of the Chicago School. And like I said earlier,
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they were all for the free market, like literal, unregulated
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ultimate level capitalism. They saw Keynesian economics as their ultimate enemy.
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And for those that don't remember, like myself, because I
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forgot everything we learned and ap economic I know these terms,
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but I don't remember what exactly. Like I know, I
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heard the word yeah because again Ipie econ everything went
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in and out my ear and I was like, I
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don't know, I don't care. Yeah. Anyway, basically the most
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basic basic explanation, Canadian economists justify government intervention through public
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policies that achieve full employment and price stability. Okay, so
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like all the stuff, yeah, all the stuff FDR did
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to get the US out of Keynesian Yeah, and they
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hated it, right, that makes sense to me that aspecting
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and they were like the leading economists in the US
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basically back then too, like because the US they did
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a lot of funding programs. Obviously Republicans always cut that back, right,
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but like that was like a fundamental thing, like create
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programs that create jobs things like that. Anyway, So yeah,
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they hated I FDR and everything he did during the
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Great Depression. This includes Milton Friedman, who most likely got
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his free marketing ideals from his parents, who were immigrants
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from Hungary. They arrived in the US in their early teens,
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and they were really hard working, like pull yourself up
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by the bootstraps type people and then kick the ladder
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down you're there, so no one else can climb up
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with their boots that I got my Yeah, And that's
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what it feels like when you read what they did. Right,
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So they bought they bought a garment factory in Broadway,
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New Jersey, and this factory had an apartment which they
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lived in. And Milton Friedman himself wrote that today this
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factory would have been called the sweatshop. So they were
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paying their workers' pennies while they made profit. Right when
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was this and during this time when this is all
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pre the Great Depression? Okay, well I know back then
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they had people working like dogs. Oh yeah, during that
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was my next sentence. Basically during this time period, Marxist
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ideals and anarchists and then that's their words were influencing
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workers to demand their rights and to demand weekends off.
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Like that's how Milton's father said it. It's just wild
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for me that, like they really expect you to do
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the work, and that's what they want to go back to,
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you know, just work, work, work, no life. You're basically
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are little workers and that's it. Yeah, yeah, And so
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eventually the factory went under, and of course Milton's father
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blamed the Marxists and the workers who wanted free market. Baby,
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sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But of course this
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mark Milton Friedman's childhood, and after he graduated high school,
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he had his eyes sent on becoming a mathematician, but
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then he went with economics. And all of this is
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during the middle of the Great Depression when he's in college.
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And so while other economists, while other young economists saw
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FDR's New Deal as life saving measures and they were,
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Milton Friedman and his wife described what FDR's New Deal
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did as quote job creation programs, or they said the
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following about it job creation programs such as the WPA,
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the Works Progress Administration CCC, the Civilian Conservation Group in
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case you don't remember what those acronims were from, I
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don't remember either, and the PWA the Public Works at
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Administration appropriate responses to the critical situation, but not the
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price and wage fixing measures. So they thought the work
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programs were good, but they didn't think the price and
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wage fixing measures of the National Recovery Administration and the
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Agricultural Adjustment Administration were necessary. So they didn't. Okay, they
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didn't think it wasnt so anything that stopped the market,
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according to them, and stopped prices from like doing whatever, right,
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Like it's like interfering in the free market. Yes. Yes.
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He would later say that the new Deal was the
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wrong cure for the wrong disease. I'm like, bitch, what
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does that mean? It helped the United States? Like, wow, well,
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I think they meant the free market what have you
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eventually fixed everything? Yeah, that's what they meant. The federal
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and according to him, the Federal Reserve was to blame,
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and unregulated, unregulated capitalism was the answer that would have
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fixed everything. Okay, just what I said. Yeah, and then
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in nineteen forty six, Milton Friedman began to teach economic
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theory at the University of Chicago, where he taught for
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the next thirty years, and there he taught his school
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of thought, the free market. You know, that's why it
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later he was a pioneer of this. Basically, Freedman and
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his followers used models and statistics to prove that this
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would work better than any Keynesian economics or any other
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existing economic theories principles. But they had no way to
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prove it because nowhere in the world was this taking care.
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I was just going to say, like, real life is
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not like statistics, Like that's not how it works as
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much as you wanted to. Yeah, And they had nowhere
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to actually carry out their theories until until, yes, until Chile,
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Oh my god, and the Chile Project ridiculous. So Argentina,
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Chile and other Latin American countries had been closing the
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gap between the poor and the wealthy for a while,
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usually through leftist governments like Peron in Argentina, at events
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in guatemalac and Allende and Chile, And can you tell
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me what all of those hadn't come in they? Uh?
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Did they tried to kill all of themen. They were
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all overthrown all of them. Sorry, I can't remember that word,
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but oh it's fine. I knew where I knew where
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you were going. I just wanted you to be the
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one to say it. But I'm sorry, let me down.
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But that's okay. Yeah. And of course the wealthy they
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didn't like this, because do we This work of closing
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that gap between the poorland wealthy often involved nationalizing industries
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where outsiders currently had the little greedy fingers in giving
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land back and these companies, we would lose money if
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these governments kept going right, so Q the CIA and
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the toppling of democratically elected governments to supposedly fight communism.
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So in nineteen fifty three, two Americans met in Santiago,
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Chile to discuss this growing problem of THEIRS, the nationalization
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of industries, these governments, these leftist governments being elected workers
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demanding rights. And before anyone says ayend, there wasn't an
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office until way later than this meeting nineteen fifty three.
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I know, but like this type of like covert work,
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two topple institutions, it begins decades before actual cups take place.
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Plus there was a time because he ran for president
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three times. I think it was before he won. I
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don't remember if TV won, and he was in the
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Senate too, right, and I don't remember if he won
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on the third or fourth time that he ran. But
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so like he was gaining more and more followers at
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supporters every time he ran, and more support for these
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leftist ideas, and so he was identified as a threat
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even back then. Yes, they could see where the tides
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were going. And so thus this meeting in nineteen fifty
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three between these two American men in Santiago, Chile. These
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two men were all Beyond Patterson, the director of the
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US International Cooperation ADAMAN in Chile. And side note but
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this is the predecessor to the US AID. Oh yes,
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and Theodore Schulz, the chairman of the Department of Economics
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at the University of Chicago, again where Milton Friedman was teaching. Okay,
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so these two men were both concerned with these growing
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leftist movements in Chile and the economists participated in these
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movements and how it affected their profits. Apparently they called
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this pink economists. I've heard that before. I think they're
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meaning just leftists policies like leftists economists, because like, if
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you google that right now, it shows up like queer people.
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But that's not what it meant back then. So I
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think that's what I inferred, at least that that's what
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they guess. That would make sense to me. Yeah, and like,
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of course the book I was reading didn't really explain