Nov. 27, 2025

Protest Songs- Casas De Carton

Protest Songs- Casas De Carton
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There was a song that could get someone killed if they were caught listening to it during the Salvadoran Civil War. In this episode, Cristina tells Carmen about this song. 

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The video with the song: https://youtu.be/7wYmv4ZgNa0?si=zO0KlA-RFvVWTixv

Tiktok video mentioned: https://www.tiktok.com/@coradesalvi/video/7232751084203298094?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7461093047661839903

Sources

https://www.elescenariodelosclasicos.com/page.php?id=2291
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al%C3%AD_Primera
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al%C3%AD_Primera
https://www.radioprogresohn.net/aplicacion-movil/los-guaraguao-en-los-70-anos-de-la-huelga-de-1954/

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Hi everyone.

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This is Carmen and Christina and this is Estudias Unknown,

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a podcast where we talk about Latin American history. Sometimes

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it's horrible and deals with heavy topics like criticism, corruption,

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and genocide. But more than that, it's also about resistance,

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power and community. And today I guess I think this

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falls under resistance. Okay, okay, I love that. Yes, also

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this is a shorter episode. We are in catchup modem yep,

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still suffering the effects of our vacation. Yes, yeah, the

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repercussions are endless, Yeah, but worth it. I think I

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think January, you'll expect normal us to be in a

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normal schedule. Maybe. I think what I gonna do is

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when we need very short episodes, this is gonna be

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a little series along running series. Okay. Protest songs, Oh, actually,

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that would be fun, exactly exactly. And so today's protest

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song gasa de cartoon.

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Hmm.

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So music transcends borders. And there's so many songs that

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have become protest songs, many times the same song representing

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struggles all over Latin America. And just a few protest

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songs that eventually can be their own episodes, somost mass

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Americanos by Los Die, who you can say have several

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protest songs now at this point they do. Yes, Actually,

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the Grammys just happened, the Latin Grammys, and they performed

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was it this song or was it I know they

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performed a similar song if it wasn't this one, but

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I don't remember what it was. Again, they have a

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lot of songs that can be considered protest songs. Also,

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the song famously covered by Mana. Yes, also, but they

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performed it with the images or videos of people being

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detained by ice or peacefully protesting and then being like,

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you know, attacked by ice or the police. So yeah, again,

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they have a lot of protest songs. Another ONEOS by

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Ruben Blades, La Rebellion by Joe Arroyo, Asta See by

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Carlos Puebla, or more recent Lokee Hawaii by by Bunny.

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And then I mean literally anything and everything by Victor Hara,

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who we did an episode on. We did a full

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episode on him. I did find this fun little video

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on TikTok that had all the songs I just named together.

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Let's just press plan that really quick and hold on.

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You know why I thought of that? Now when you

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said this because I think they covered this, Yes, yeah,

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I like they have a cover of this. They did

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a concert and in this concert they're saying this together

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with the song about Chico Mendez, like back to back.

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Basically that was who and the song is about the

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force disappearances in Argentina during the dictator dictatorship. Because I

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was gonna say war, but the dirty war slash dictatorship. Sorry.

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That other one is just like it's so like a beat,

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but it's that one.

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That one was.

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I mean, I guess we'll have an episode on it

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at some point.

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Yeah, that will. Each of one of these will have

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their own episode. I just but that was Joe uh

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and it's a seventeenth century story of an of an enslaver.

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Sorry.

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The one I put before that one is a song

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about and I think we all know this song, but

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if anyone doesn't know, that is a song about gentrification

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and displacement in Puerto Rico and basically saying like what

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happened in Hawaii can happen here, or I don't want

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it to happen here. Mostly happened in Hawaii, and but

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the same can be sent for a lot of places

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in Latin America. So yeah, those are those songs there,

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but there's there's so many protest songs, which is why

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this could be. This could come on forever during the

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women marches and oh yeah, that's my favorite song. Yeah,

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there's a song. I don't know the name. I can't.

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I just saw it like a little bit ago, but

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I didn't say the video. But that's another example. And

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so the song I'm talking about today, it's called Gasa

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de Cardon sometimes cho Cardon. And during the Silver Warren

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and Salvador, which lasted twelve years from nineteen eighty to

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nineteen ninety two, this song Gasa de Cardon was prohibited.

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If you were seeing listening to it or singing it,

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you could be arrested or like worse, just killed on

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the spot. Damn. And I had seen comments here and

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there talking about this song and referring to it like that,

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and I was like, that's crazy, is that true? So

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I called our father, just gonna ask me. Did you

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ask her?

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Dad?

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I did? I did, and I asked him do you

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know the song? And he immediately was like, of course

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if you sing it during the war, would it would

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get you killed? And I was like, are you so

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like Carell. Yeah, Like I was like Setio and Setio

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like really because I was telling him like I always

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heard that that would happen, but I never like actually

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asked you, and he was like, oh, yeah, like you

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could not sing this anywhere. In fact, you couldn't sing

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any songs by Los guaA. Wow, who are the original

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singers of this song? That's the first thing he said

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that it will get you killed. Then he said most

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of the songs would, and then he said, actually, that

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song is not by madic Coontonio Salise. So many people

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think it's by mad Coontonio Soalise and it's not. And

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the original version is so much better. I'm sure, I'm sure. Yeah,

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they covered it in Los I don't know if it

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was made Antonio so Liz by himself or like when

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he was part of Los Bougies. Either way, he's singing

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it and this was in nineteen seventy five, and he

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most people think it's by him because his song became

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famous of course, yeah, because he was a more famous,

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you know, artist singer. But the original version came out

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in nineteen seventy three by Los Guadaguau with Ali Primera

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and Ali Primta composed the song and wrote it himself,

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but they are both Venezuelan from Venezuela. And before we

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get into the histories of the song, why would we

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be banned and you know all the places that it

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became like a protest song. Let's just tear some of

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the lyrics and then I'll translate it into English. Actually

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I am hoping to. Yeah, I'll read them in English

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and then we'll see if we can listen to the

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whole thing. Of course, it sounds better in Spanish. Everything

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sounds better than Spanish English. Yeah, And so how sad

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you can hear? Not really how sad More, how sad

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the rain sounds on cardboard roofs is because this is

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how sad you. Oh okay, I didn't realize you were

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reading them, and I'm like, what are you saying right now?

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Oh my god, no wonder you were like, okay, sorry,

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it's because you're gonna start and then Spanish it says

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get three says so la yub yeah and lostego. You're

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doing this on the spot. You didn't translate it already. Yeah, no, no,

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it's translated, but it's not right. So that's what it

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says in Spanish, right, you do you remember what I

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just read now because I was kind of talking at

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the same time, So say that again, you were, so

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let me go back. In Spanish it says gets so

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la yub yah and Lostego Cardon okay, And then in

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English it says, how sad you can hear the rain

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on the cardboard roofs? But that's not saying the same thing.

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How is it not? Oh my gosh, how are you

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not getting this? Okay? Okay, one more time for en

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Espanol again, getri oh la yub yah and Lostegio cardon. Okay,

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how sad? Comma you can hear the rain on the

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cardboard roofs. It's because in English you don't talk like that.

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Oh I thought Spanish was saying it sounds sad. There.

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I think it's a singer telling well, at least this

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is how I'm interpreting it so far. It's the singers

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telling themselves how sad. Whether it's that you can hear

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the rain see and then in English you can. You

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can't say how sad? You have to say I hear

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because there's no say oh yeah, like oh you can hear?

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I can hear.

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I thought I was saying it sounds sad. That's not

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how I heard it. So I guess you're actually the

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dumb one. Interesting, so maybe I'm wrong. They're saying, yeah,

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like how yeah, it's not okay. I thought it sounded

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sad on these type of roofs. No, there's they're saying,

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how sad you can hear? Like, yeah, that's how I'm

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inter bren at least okay, And I okay, And I

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thought it said it sounds sad. Let us know what

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you think it's saying. Who's right me? I mean probably?

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But these are like they chose a lamina like like

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not foil. But you know how some houses they would

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be considered chancey houses. Yeah that people just put up Yeah,

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like this very thin metal metal sheets almost and that's

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the roof. Yeah, that's the kind of house that they're

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talking about here anyway, So how sad you can hear

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the rain on the cardboard roofs? How sad my people

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live in cardboard houses. The worker comes down, almost dragging

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his feet from the weight of suffering. Look how much

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suffering there is, Look how heavy the suffering is Up above?

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The pregnant woman is left behind down below is the

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city and she gets lost in it's maze. Today is

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the same as yesterday. It is a world with out tomorrow.

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How sad you can hear the rain on the cardboard roofs?

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How sad my people live in cardboard houses? Children the

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color of my land, with the same scars, with the

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same scars. Millionaires of worms, millionaires of worms.

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Yeah.

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I think the their stomach is like, yeah, yeah, that

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makes sense of course. Duh. Sorry, I'm deciphering this with everyone.

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I think you should have read it in Spanish first. Well,

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we're gonna listen to it. You should have listened to

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it first. I thought you had no I have. I've

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listened to the song. Oh wa you forgot, and now

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you're ready in English and you're like, wait, hold on, okay, yeah, yeah,

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that's why the children live so sadly in cardboard houses.

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Then it repeats the same chorus, how sad you can

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hear the rain, And then it says you won't believe it,

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but there are dogs dog schools where they train dogs

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not to chew one newspapers, but the boss has been

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chewing on the worker for years and years, And then yeah,

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repeats the same part and now let's listen to it.

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I want to send you the video I found though,

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because this isn't the actual music video. And I don't

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know where these images come from, but someone posted a

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video on YouTube with a bunch of like old old

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images from Insane and I just look at them and

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I'm like, oh, this this. We could have known what

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this was like, but obviously the US ruined all that.

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So one, two, three, press the baby.

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Lascar saus the garden a handle oberho, p's your restaurant

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of the spar sauce boarder Paso the supprid hed a

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cameo to a supri here.

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Hed a can messa supri.

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H the abaquesta s He's appear, then superag.

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Here Oh yes, lolovey smoky again.

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It's super.

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See uh.

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I that you here behavior Sofrenians, that you be a passa.

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Hue do pass supremian to Ueberanza.

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In your scholar VI, dear Corsess, massive countess mel.

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Mm hmm.

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It's instance even lost in yousscas.

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As the garden.

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Legs emen los burgos ah exploda, who's the and yes, boy,

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that's the bear Rosie. It's not Gasil. I can wear

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down those botom I says, start for me went over here.

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H m m hmmm.

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H kah, Christie.

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Shure, you know you los gasas the god.

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Nichos Barsaa spal song chos the call.

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They give me chills. No. I for some reason, I

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felt like crying. I did in some parts too, honestly,

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especially when they showed the military and the military the

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US embassy and then the military like training or like

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I don't know if it's military school or something, but

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they were like loperrows a I schools whatever. Like that

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part was like, oh, and that's showing them the soles

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or military and some of them look like babies. Yeah,

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some of them look so young and obviously some of

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them were probably kids because some of them were kids. Yeah,

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starting at twelve, they were taking kids and forcing them.

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And then the kids who didn't who were not forced

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into the act Salvadorian Army were then left, you know,

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orphaned from death squads. Yeah, the army, and then what

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one of the only options was join the military that

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killed their parents or joined the fml IN. And so

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many did join the fml in because when it would

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give them food. But also I mean it's like, why

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would they not want revenge on the forces that killed

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their parents. It's like these oppressive forces everywhere, right, not

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just sl but really any where you look at. Almost

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these oppressive forces create the armed resistance that then they

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blame for the violence and the conditions that actually the

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oppressors caused. Exactly. I came across another video because I

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was searching the song on TikTok just to see what

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videos came up. And yeah, I came across the video. Actually,

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let me send it to you so you can see

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you too. But it's a kid, probably eleven, but it's

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a video from nineteen eighty four about a little boy

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named Nico. Nico became he's twelve, He became an fml

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IN combatant. He witnessed the death of his mother at

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the hands of the death squad, so the dea squad

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was looking for him to also kill him when they

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killed his mom, and he was able to hide and

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he went and joined the fml IN. And go ahead

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and play the video. But the video is using the song.

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Okay, he's so little, he has such a baby boys.

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Yeah, and that's what the caption said, and then he's

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saying he went because he wanted to join his friends

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both in can be true, can be true? And I

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wish I knew. Oh there's a comment I'm gonna cry. Oh, yes,

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that's what I was going to say. People are asking

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I wonder where he where Nico is today because if

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it was twelve, Oh my god, now I'm going to cry. Sorry,

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if he was twelve, there's a so somebody's asking, yes,

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that I VI would The person who posted the video

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said this cement combat messages and Trevista. So he was

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killed during a firefight a few months after this. But

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so weird because then another comment says, if you are

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a snackinglist, so yeah, not it's it's hard to know

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what these Yeah, it is. But the truth is that

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he could have died. Though if he was twelve at

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the time of this video, yeah, he very much could

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have died. Many lives were lost, so many and so

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many of these kids. That's the guy keeps cominging the

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same thing that he died. Yeah, that he didn't even

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but he would have been like fifty something today, sixty

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something at most, Like, you know, I'm not gonna math.

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So yeah, well this was nineteen eighty four and he

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was twelve. I'm not gonna do the math either exactly,

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it said, not like it's going to do the math. Actually, no,

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I'm curious. Let's see twenty twenty five. That was forty

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one years ago, yeah, fifty three, okay, yeah, And I

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don't know. The worst thing to me is like then

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seeing these stories, hearing these songs, and then seeing so

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many people still comment like, oh they get a Gyetro's trick,

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these poor children. It's like, no, so many of the

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kids that joined the FML, and so many of them

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were orphaned. Yeah, yeah, what are they supposed to do?

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Then they weren't tricked into it? They had no choice

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at this point, because again, if you're going to choose

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between joining the military or the death squads that left

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the orphaned, or the fighting the force is fighting them. Like,

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but so many people, again with the BOT side, were wrong.

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And yeah, both sides did things, no one is denying that,

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but one side did especially worse things that higher numbers.

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But yeah, Interestingly, that song that we're talking about right

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now is used in the video of this Boy and

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I wish I knew what documentary this is this comes from.

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I can't find the name.

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I wish I knew too.

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Yeah, so I'll have to search like documentaries about and

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hopefully find it. But yeah, just the I'll put the

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video version in in the video version of Patron, you'll

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see what the video Karmen and I watch. But yeah,

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it's just like emotional to see I don't know, yeah,

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to see these old these videos, I want to say,

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are from like in between nineteen eighty and before nineteen

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ninety is when they were filmed. But so back to

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the song. The song again not not written by mar Yes,

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but written by Ali Primena and saying with los guaA

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gas and they are both from Venezuela. So Ali Primera

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he again is the composer, but he was a musician, composer,

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poet and political activist. And again I don't know the

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situation in Venezuela. We're not from Venezuela. We are way

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more knowledgeable when it comes to like or even Mexico,

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and even then we do not know everything. But when

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you look up Ali Primena or the song, there's so

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many comments of like, oh, it's too bad that his

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song has been like co opted by the communists and

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that he wouldn't stand for his song being used. But

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the yeah, the reality is that he wrote what he

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wrote because he believed it, and that song, the lyrics

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of the song are going to resonate with the poor,

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the working class always, and who is never going to

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be on the other on resonating to these lyrics are

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the capitalist the rich people, So the people who think

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they're going to be rich one day, but they actually

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never will because almost no one ever becomes rich. And

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so they support the rich and the capitalism because they

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think that's gonna be them one day.

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Yes.

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And one of his most well known, well known songs

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is called Nueva Cancion or just new song, which is

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like most of his songs, about condemning exploitation and repression

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and resistance and we'll celebrating not condemned, sorry, celebrating resistance.

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And didn't even because I said I set them all

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together and then I was like, oh wait, but he yeah,

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let me correct myself. He is known now as El

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Cantor del Pueblo or the People's Singer. I love that,

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which yeah very much, makes it makes sense if it's fitting.

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Yeah.

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And he was born Rafael Sebastian Primera and wonder wh

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Ali came from I guess be a nickname for Raphael.

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Maybe his parents were Antonio Primira and Carmine Adela Rossel.

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And oh, he was known as Ali because his Arabic

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background from his grandparents. His grandparents were Arabic. Oh cool.

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And he lived in poverty. So again of course he

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was writing lyrics like this. But the reason that his

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family fell into poverty really because they weren't at first,

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is because his dad died when he was three. Oh,

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and that happened so often, especially back then and even

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here in the US, right before there was support systems

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like social Security and whatever, you know, spousal benefits whatnot. Yeah,

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So when he was three, his dad, Antonio died in

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a his dad was a prison garden. When he was three,

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there was some type of shooting incident in the prison.

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Some prisoners tried to escape in ninete tharty five, and

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that's when his father died and this shooting incident at

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that prison, and so yeah, the mom was left trying

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to care for him and his two siblings, and they

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basically became like they would travel from town to town

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all over Venezuela to try and find work. He eventually,

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when he was old enough, he started working like our

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jobs to help support the family. Yeah, and he started

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doing this at the age of six. I was just

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going to get to what age and I was going

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to say around that age. Yeah, Well, I mean like

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our dad. When when did he say he started working? Eight?

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Was young? Young something like that. Yeah, but yeah. One

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of his first jobs was a shoe shiner. He was six.

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At some point he also boxed, and all the jobs

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that he worked didn't discourage him from continuing to go

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to school, and so he did. When his family moved

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from la Vela to Kara. He then enrolled in the

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school Liseo Caracas to complete his education and he graduated

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in nineteen sixty four and enrolled at the Central University

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of Venezuela to study chemistry.

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Wow.

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Yeah. And while at the university, he started singing and

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composing music. And at first it was just a hobby,

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but then it was like that's all he was doing.

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And one of the first songs he wrote was called Umanidad,

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so he was right away he was always about this, Yes,

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right away he was writing these like deep, meaningful songs,

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but Umanidad no bass Sad, which both would become protest

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songs and in fact were presented at the Festival of

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protest songs organized by the University de Loosandez in nineteen

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sixty seven. Wow, which I didn't know this type of

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festival existed, but very cool. And this propelled him to fame.

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And so between nineteen sixty nine and nineteen seventy three

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he lived in Europe thanks to a scholarship he received

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from the Communist Party ven Isuela. Wow Yes, and he

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continued to study in Romania and there he what a

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life like can anyway. Once in Europe, he would wash

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dishes and sing in places to like earn his living,

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and he recorded his first CD called Hendele Mediira in Germany.

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Wow Yeah, wild, yeah and yeah right away. His first

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songs were about the people, poverty, social inequity, like right

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away and yeah. These these type of songs resonated with

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the people horns, earning him the name El Canto Pueblo,

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and eventually he was able to create his own record

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label so he could release music, and it was called Cigarn.

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At some point he did a finish his time with

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the Communist Youth of Venezuela and then the Communist Party

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of Venezuela, and he participated in a new party that

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was forming called the movement for socialism, and from nineteen

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seventy three until the time he died, he recorded thirteen

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different CDs, all in the same vein the same type

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of songs. And even though his songs were considered like

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the genre would be protest songs, he always called his

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type of musicaria necessary songs. I love that, right, and

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they are necessary, No, they really are, like he was right,

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mm hmm. He met his wife in nineteen seventy seven

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and they went on to have five kids, Wow, two

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girls and three boys. So the girls Maria Fernanda and

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Maria Angila, and then the boys were Sandino, Jorge Serbando, Florentino,

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and Juan Simon, and two of them, Florentino, became a

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music duo under the name Cevando and Florentino.

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Wow.

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And he unfortunately died in a car accident in nineteen

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eighty five. And they they say, like they spread rumors

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that he was drunk driving, and it's ever been confirmed.

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So allegedly allegedly he was drunk driving, but streets are

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saying as in like a lot of things I read,

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it's not actually that he was drunk driving. The person

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that him was a younger person who was drunk driving.

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Oh so he was a victim of drunk driving. Possibly, Yeah,

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but I think to try and smear his name make

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him sound like garbage rather because of I think because

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of the type of songs he's saying. Really yeah, then

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there's this rumors that spread about him being the one

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that was drunk driving. Wow, shameful. Yeah. In Venezuela specifically,

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at the time that he was writing this song, there

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was a lot of people leaving the rural parts of

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Venezuela into the cities to try and find work. Because

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the work that there was this abandonment of agriculture due

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to oil exploding, and so because they flooded now flooded

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the cities with this new like sudden migration of people,

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the hills of Caragas became filled with shacks, the so

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called shanty houses or and so that's what inspired his

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song more, which would then make sense the worker comes

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down from the hills. These houses were on the hills

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of Caragas. Yeah, the heavy rain caused landslides where the

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houses were located, and so sometimes these houses were very

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easily toroid. And so when he wrote like the kids

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or children, the color of my land. That's what you meant. Like,

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while the kids that are like from Venezuela get like

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they either like get drowned in these landslides or they're

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like living in these horrible conditions, while like these kids

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children of Lingos get to live in be rich and

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not live in the same same word, Am I looking

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for environment? Yeah? Yeah, thank you, same environment as the

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children of Venezuela. And he would say about this quote

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every day. The song motivates us to make it deeper,

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because a man armed with the song and a human

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poetry is a man disarmed by envy and by being

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a bad man. I don't sing because misery exists, but

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because the possibility exists to eradicate it, to wipe it

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off the face of earth. Amazing, Yeah, And he would

457
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performance all over Venezuela factories, high schools, union halls, and

458
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.599
Los guan Aguaule. They formed their group in nineteen seventy three.

459
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:15.000
The name comes from the Indigenous word for hawk or vulture,

460
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:18.680
which I had no idea. The band was made of

461
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.440
Eduardo Martinez who was the lead guitar, Luis Suadis, who

462
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:26.079
was also the guitar suscrdleto who was the bass, I

463
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:29.880
was gonna say bass, and then Jose Manuel Gerra who

464
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:33.279
was on drums. And the same year that they came together,

465
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.640
they did the song. The song was Ali Primera who

466
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:39.880
was singing. And that same year they were part of

467
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:43.880
this group of Venezuelans who went to Mexico for the

468
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:48.079
Venezuelan Film Festival, and there they stayed for ten months

469
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.839
and they were on a bunch of different TV programs.

470
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:56.839
They got to perform at the Beas Artist Theater, Oh cool, yes,

471
00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:01.400
Beas Artists, the Maas Artists, the Blankie That Theater, and

472
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:04.400
also a lot of universities and rural communities.

473
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:05.000
Nice.

474
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:10.319
Yeah. After Ali Primena passed away in the car accident,

475
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.960
they did have a long time of like not performance.

476
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:18.720
He was yeah, because he's saying you know, and he composed.

477
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:24.240
But a bunch of their songs are linked or not sorry,

478
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:27.359
A bunch of leftist movements in Latin America are linked

479
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.599
to their songs. In two thousand and seven, Los Guanaguau

480
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:35.559
traveled to Salvador to participate in a public proclamation of

481
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:41.240
Mariza Funess's candidacy for the FMLN so he would become

482
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:47.400
the future president and again for FMLN and also and

483
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:49.160
I both had like a lot of corruption issues that

484
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.039
would later come on. That's besides the point where just say.

485
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:52.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

486
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:57.119
At that time he gave people hope and it wasn't known, yeah,

487
00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:02.240
that it would become like that. Yeah, exactly. In two

488
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:06.000
thousand and eight, they were invited by the Dominican Republican

489
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:10.239
presidency to participate in an event held by FTL workers

490
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:15.239
at the Mauricio Bias Club in the capital. I don't

491
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.159
know what FTL is, so yeah, I'm either yeah. In

492
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.239
Onduras in two thousand and nine, they performed a concert

493
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.159
in front of a bunch like thousands and thousands of people,

494
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.719
and this concert was held in support of the National

495
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:34.159
Popular Resistance Front, a movement that emerged after the military

496
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:40.440
coup that overthrew President Manuel selayerro Salez. Should this be

497
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:44.199
another topic we act to our lists? We should Where

498
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:52.599
was this Onduras? We haven't really talked aboutas Yeah. Yeah,

499
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:54.880
he was president from two thousand and six to two

500
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:58.079
thousand and nine. But now I'm wondering what kind of coup?

501
00:34:58.239 --> 00:34:59.920
Was this a bad coup or you know?

502
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:04.239
Yeah, I We're gonna learn at some point from the

503
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:04.760
town of it.

504
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:09.400
They seems like they would support someone more leftist, more

505
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:15.199
for the people, right, Yeah, that's what it seems. Oh yeah,

506
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:22.039
it looks like they were social leaning governments. Socialist leaning Yeah,

507
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:26.079
oh what did I say? Socialists? I'm just trying to

508
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:30.039
figure out if this became like a dictator situation later

509
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:31.639
or not.

510
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:32.880
We don't know right now.

511
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:35.599
No, you're right, I was just looking through the Wikipedia

512
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:38.440
of that right now. I wanted to quickly look at

513
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:41.760
the coup situation, but obviously there's no time for that. Yeah,

514
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:44.679
that's why he said little it could be its own

515
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:48.599
episode later. Yeah, it looks like at some point he

516
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:52.480
went to Venezuela because it says that like escaped like

517
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:55.760
flood after yeah, after the presidency in March and ten

518
00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:06.039
Venezuelan president, which I was appointed YAH chief coordinator. Interesting anyway, Yeah,

519
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:07.599
we don't know what we don't know, so I don't know.

520
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.559
It could be bad. We don't know any tacusations or

521
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:14.559
allegations that happened during Saya's presidency. I don't know, but

522
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:18.400
I do know that the Juaaguau were invited to perform

523
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:24.679
at that festival ins and yeah, like uh so many

524
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.920
other songs were banned during the Civil War, not just

525
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:34.239
Casa but yeah, that was just a little brief brief

526
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:37.840
history on this song. But the song became like this

527
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:42.280
song specifically Casa Carton was a protest song, not only

528
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:50.360
in but also Nicaraguas obviously Venezuela. But yeah, we were

529
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.320
more familiar with it in context to and how it

530
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.400
could literally like it was the song that could get

531
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.679
you killed if you were singing it. And actually, do

532
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:04.519
you remember much about Cino Sentis? I feel like I remember,

533
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.880
like generally the plotline and what happens, but not in

534
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:13.000
any specifics. Okay, well, Vosesino sent This came out in

535
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:15.760
I want to say we had the buleg version of

536
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:18.360
it first. Yeah, first of all, but this is a

537
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:23.280
two thousand and four movie. It's a Mexico and Indor production.

538
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:26.840
When the movie was in production, they were not allowed

539
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:32.360
to film in really that I didn't know. Yeah, and

540
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:34.880
they had to film in Mexico because a lot of

541
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.320
the gripe with people about this movie, specifically Sabis is

542
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:40.800
that it was not filmed inn Sa La lood so.

543
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:43.440
But the reality is that they weren't allowed to film

544
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.400
in a load from what I've heard. Yeah. Interesting, I

545
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:50.400
haven't like actually checked that. Okay, Well, where'd you hear this?

546
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.280
Oh oh, I've read it in a bunch of different

547
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:57.119
like random websites talking about the movie, like reviewing. Oh

548
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.079
I see, so I haven't seen like the official like

549
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:02.559
oh yeah, we weren't like the director, Like, I haven't

550
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:05.440
seen that. Okay, but my movie reviewers talking about the

551
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:07.960
movie have said that. But it came out in two

552
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:11.960
thousand and four. And the other problem people have with

553
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.199
it is that it didn't have self doriant actors in

554
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.480
it either, and so there's no sidey accents in the movie.

555
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.599
There's no votes for sale in the movie. No way,

556
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:26.840
I don't remember that. Yeah, and so, wow, that's kind

557
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:30.480
of crazy that is to not have. Yeah, I mean

558
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.559
I get I don't know. That's yeah. Maybe like budget

559
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:37.360
that couldn't fly actors out from inside the little thing, right, Yeah,

560
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:40.239
I don't know. Maybe, Yeah, I guess that could make sense.

561
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:44.079
That's still wild to me, though, I think that's a

562
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:48.199
fair criticism. No, I would agree that it is a

563
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:53.480
fair criticism. Without a single vote in vosail. Yeah, it's

564
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:59.880
just insane, but it's the whole movie is written by

565
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:03.320
the director, and it's supposed to be his experience during

566
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.239
the war, and so in that in that sense, it

567
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:10.239
is very accurate. It follows a was he twelve in

568
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:12.599
the movie? He was young, but I remember how old.

569
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.480
I don't remember his age, but he was young. It

570
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:20.760
follows Chava, and if it follows his basically his mom

571
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.760
trying to give him a normal childhood during the Civil war.

572
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:26.719
But of course this just can't happen. There's no way

573
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:29.960
to avoid the war that is like literally raging around him.

574
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:32.199
And I want to say that it Oh, it's an

575
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:34.599
eleven year old. I just called by the Rotten tomatoes.

576
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:37.119
Oh my god, it's loading. I was going to just

577
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.320
quickly read the actual synopsis, but it's like not loading.

578
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:45.400
But that's basically I mean, yeah, yeah, and it's I

579
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:47.320
want to say that the movie is supposed to be

580
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:52.480
taking place in San sand Do you remember no?

581
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:52.719
No.

582
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:57.639
I literally said, I don't remember anything specific. Oh okay, okay,

583
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.320
I thought you were telling me, and I'm like, what

584
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:03.000
are you waiting for. I was waiting to see if

585
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:06.800
you recalled or not anything. But yeah, so it's said

586
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:10.039
in nineteen eighty six. It follows Chava, whose father fled

587
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:13.679
to the US at the beginning. I didn't even remember

588
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.639
that his father fled. Honestly, I'm reading the plot right now,

589
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:18.159
I know, but I'm telling you that I was gonna

590
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:20.280
I don't remember that either. I actually have been wanting

591
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:23.039
to rewatch it, but man, I'm not ready emotions.

592
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:27.519
It was so traumatized before I would want to rewatch it.

593
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:27.800
Though.

594
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:32.079
We should do it together though. Yeah, anyway, Yeah, it's

595
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:34.559
said in nineteen eighty six. It follows eleven year old Chavah,

596
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:38.199
whose father fled to the US at the beginning of

597
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.280
the Civil War when he was five, and so his

598
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:46.599
family lives in gooskat Dane. Single Okay, got done, Single

599
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:51.199
and that is a municipality in Santa Lado. Okay. So yeah,

600
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:53.320
I was semi right, Okay, that's what I remember. It

601
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:55.559
took place in San Slatdadloa because her dad was like,

602
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:58.159
oh I recognized this, oh blah blah blah, and that's

603
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:01.880
where he was from. And yes, that's what I was

604
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.960
gonna say. I recall that had to be right. But yeah,

605
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.639
the movie, we can see like there's these intense firefights

606
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:12.840
between the South Doran Army and the Gerrilla his mom

607
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:17.320
makes a living in coosciendo, which is actually what our

608
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:22.079
dads also did. Uh, seems to stress. Seems stress, thank you.

609
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:27.119
And he would sell the clothes that she would sew,

610
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:28.960
and that's also what our dad. That was one of

611
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:32.360
our dads first jobs. Yeah, yeah, which is just yeah,

612
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:35.079
he was very soon when we watch this, when we

613
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:40.119
were what twelve, No, we were older older. I think

614
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:43.119
we were like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen around there. Yeah that

615
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.320
sounds right, but yeah, that he would watch it and

616
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:48.079
be like, oh my god, this is like this was

617
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:51.360
my childhood, which yeah, you're we're watching this fucking depressing

618
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.320
ass movie and we're like, this is your children.

619
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:54.679
Yeah.

620
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:00.320
So yeah, and yeah, he's just trying to live his

621
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:03.840
life and he's not twelve yet. But starting at eight,

622
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:09.639
kids are taken to join the military and either I

623
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:13.079
think the movie depicts as either the Grilla or the army,

624
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.920
and which was true either or yeah, I kind of

625
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:18.480
I don't know why. I remember in the movie being

626
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:21.119
depicted more like they were afraid of the military coming

627
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:23.599
and driving to schools to take the kids. But there

628
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:25.440
was a scene like that there was maybe that's what

629
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:29.360
I'm calling them. Yeah, but yeah, that's that's basically what

630
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:31.199
it's about. But there's two scenes in the movie where

631
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:36.519
we hear the song cash really yes, what there's like

632
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.280
a firefight beginning and so they're having dinner and then

633
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:41.480
they like have to duck down to not get hit

634
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:46.519
by the fire, which was like our dad would say, yeah,

635
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:49.440
we would be walking, yeah, and like have to like

636
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:53.159
run for our lives. Basically, has he told you the

637
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:56.000
story of I think he's because he always like comes

638
00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:57.920
off as you know, oh, I was never scared, blah

639
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:00.599
blah blah. But he tells us one are you where

640
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.679
he was actually scared for his life and he's all

641
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:04.920
like I felt like my heart was going to jump

642
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.400
out of my body. And like when he was on

643
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.760
his motorcycle. Yeah, yeah, So he was on his motorcycle

644
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.840
and this woman just was running for her life and

645
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:15.719
she came running towards him and she was like, let

646
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:18.079
me on, let me on. He's like okay, like you know,

647
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:20.280
kind of like what's going on? And then he heard gunshots.

648
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:24.159
They were shooting at this woman and now at him

649
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:26.360
because she was on his moorcycle, and they sped away

650
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:30.039
and he it's like that adrenaline rush and it was

651
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:32.840
until afterwards, like everything hit him and he like felt

652
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.199
like his body was jello. And I'm like, I can't,

653
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:39.239
I can't imagine. I can't. I can't either, But yeah,

654
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.159
we would be watching he'd be like, yeah, I used

655
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:45.159
to like hide in the rooftop so that they wouldn't

656
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:49.800
come recruit me. And yeah, it's just ugh. But the

657
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:51.760
two season in that song, one of them, the fire

658
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.000
Right begins they had to like duck for their lives

659
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.920
and the kid Chava is crying because he's scared, and

660
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:00.800
the it's not the dad. I don't remember who he

661
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.559
is in the movie. Maybe an uncle, maybe like an uncle. Yeah,

662
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:07.280
we just said the same thing. Yeah, I believe it

663
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.519
was an uncle. He brings out his guitar and he

664
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:12.360
starts playing the song. I remember, like now that you're

665
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.679
describing it, because I remember like crying this part. Yes,

666
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:18.679
throughout almost the thing. No, yeah, I don't think there's

667
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:21.039
a moment where I wasn't crying. Yeah, well, the other

668
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:23.119
part that it plays is worse, and sorry spoilers if

669
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.800
you haven't seen the movie, of course, although there's still

670
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.079
nothing like watching it. Yeah, yeah, even if we're describing

671
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:30.719
the two scenes, you hear the song of the movie.

672
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:33.320
But when he plays a song for the kids so

673
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.519
he calms down during the firefight, the mom tells the

674
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.199
uncle like, stop playing this, like you're gonna get us kill,

675
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:42.840
that's right, But he keeps doing it because it's going

676
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:44.760
to calm the kid down. At this time. They don't

677
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.400
hear it because there's like a literal firefight outside. They're

678
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.679
not gonna he gets killed, doesn't he. I don't think so,

679
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.079
oh okay, I don't think anything happens, and that could

680
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:55.360
be wrong. I don't because I don't remember. Well, what's

681
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:57.639
the next part? Then that the song? He plays the song?

682
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:01.599
The next part the song plays, the kid is passing

683
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:03.400
by with his radio. I want to say the kid

684
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:09.039
had like a mild obsession with and for those that

685
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:11.960
don't know, was the radio station put on by the

686
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:14.679
I was a different station every night. I actually have

687
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:18.679
a book about I have. It's on my list to read.

688
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:23.840
It's in Spanish, though, so dantine, very very daunting. But

689
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:28.559
so he would go on and like find the the

690
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.119
radio and play it. And he has this little radio

691
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:33.880
he's carrying. He's walking like home with it, and the

692
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:40.360
song comes ones and the father the local priest. I remember, now, yes,

693
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:43.119
here's him, and he walks with him, and then the

694
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:45.679
soldiers of course hear it when he's listened to it,

695
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:49.039
and the priest ends up taking credit and like he's like,

696
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.840
it's my radio and they I want to say that

697
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:56.840
the priest is killed, which would I think again was

698
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:58.599
a very common thing during war.

699
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:02.639
But in order to save Chava, he's like sacrificed him.

700
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:05.360
That was my song. Yeah, yeah, And I want to

701
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:09.480
say that the song ends with Chava in the U

702
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:11.559
or the movie the whole movie ends with Chava in

703
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:16.960
the US. I think it does, yeah, And like I

704
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:20.400
don't remember anything else, but I want to say, I

705
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:21.800
don't know if he goes alone. I need we need

706
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.239
to rewatch this movie. And yeah, we should definitely watch it.

707
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:28.480
But there is two incidents of the song in the movie.

708
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.199
And we hear in the movie like you cannot play

709
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.519
the song, and I feel like I blocked that out

710
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:36.920
of my memory. But for some reason, and my for

711
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.480
you page, I was like scrolling and the song. That

712
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:43.559
scene came up with the kid and the uncle playing

713
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:45.800
the song, and the comments were full of like, yeah,

714
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:48.760
you could not play the song? And I was like,

715
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:52.159
really this song but yeah, I mean it's a song

716
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:58.079
about people in poverty. I was like, it's so crazy

717
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.199
to me that these people people couldn't even think about

718
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:05.840
their experiences, their lived experiences, their lives because it was

719
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:16.559
considered like subversive. Yeah yeah, but yeah that was and

720
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:20.199
I saw this sem a little disorganized. Omit ten to me.

721
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:23.840
Thank you, thank you, but yeah, let us know if

722
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:27.159
we want another song. But yeah, it is a it's

723
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:32.239
a heavy listen it is, yeah, yeah, and a heavy movie. Yeah.

724
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:37.519
Anything you want to add before we uh end this. Oh,

725
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:39.480
I want to give a shout out to our most

726
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:44.639
recent review on Apple podcast and we find it real quick.

727
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:46.000
Thank you.

728
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:50.599
I'm assuming Jumanji thirty three. That's how you pronounce it.

729
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.360
For the review, I also posted it on her story.

730
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:57.440
Hopefully you saw it. Shout out and if you have

731
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:01.400
been enjoying the podcast, Wait, what was the review?

732
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:02.159
Oh?

733
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:03.840
I don't know. You want me to read it? It

734
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.239
says I love both of you all. I've been binge

735
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:09.440
listening to your channels for the past two weeks. Now,

736
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:12.239
please keep going. You're only getting better. Looking forward to

737
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.239
hear more and continue to educate us on our roots.

738
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:19.400
So oh, thank you, thank you. It means I started

739
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:23.239
to hear it again. But yeah, have you been joining

740
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:26.159
the podcast? Feel free to give us a reading or

741
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.760
a review or a review simply I feel like I

742
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:32.199
say all my words together mumbling. That's called mumbling. Yeah,

743
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:36.920
anything to not say you mumble. I know, I didn't

744
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:40.079
think of the word mumbling. Oh I truly didn't recall

745
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:43.840
that word in my head right now. Yeah, to give

746
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:47.079
us a reading or a review or recommend us to

747
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:50.679
a history loving friend, yes, yeah, thank you for your

748
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.760
review and yeah, everything you just said, and other than that,

749
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.960
we hope that this was one less Estoria Unknown for you.

750
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:04.880
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751
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:08.280
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752
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753
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