Joe Arpaio: Behind the Bastardos

0:10 Hi everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is Estodia's Unknown, the podcast where we talk about Latin American history. Sometimes it's horrible un deals with heavy topics like racism, corruption, and genocide. But more than that, it's that's about resistance, power and community. What is today's topic. Well, before we get into that, I have a question for you. Okay, do you feel like the most evil people live the longest. Yeah? Yeah, Like Ken Wey couls Endure was like fucking one hundred something, wasn't he ninety? I don't fucking know. Yeah, he was all as fuck. I know. The day he died was a celebration on Twitter when Twitter was not what it is now, the garbage that it is today. But yeah, that was one of my favorite days on the internet.

0:52 The memes were amazing. Well, that also applies to today's topic. And today we are doing behind the Bastado, behind the it's been too long, Yeah yeah, so yeah, today's bastado is still kicking at ninety three years old. Ninety three? Who is this bastao? I'm talking about my biggest up. I'm talking about that bitch, that rackety ugly bitch, Joe or Pio. Yes, okay, I've been waiting for this. Yeah, and so I don't know. I guess before I get into it. What do you remember about Joe? He was the bitch behind some insane, that insane back then normal today law in Arizona that was super anti immigrant, and we all hated him.

1:41 Like all the homies hate Joe or Pio. And I didn't know how to say his last name till right now. Yeah, yeah either. And I don't think he was behind that law that you're talking about. Oh he wasn't. Well, he was a sheriff. So ok starts staying to it since you don't really wait, okay, before before you do that, wasn't he stopping people? Then? Yes? Okay, yeah, okay, okay, sorry. Was this happening at the same time as HR for four through seven was introduced the sense to Brenner Bill, Okay, that's why I confused it two Okay, before I researched this, you know, I remember him. He was always on us, like a little attention whore that he was. No, he really was.

2:25 He really was, even before the anti immigrant stance that we knew him for. Even before that, he was seeking media attention for of course different like shit he was doing. But I remember that he was detaining people immigrants and they were being held at the county jails back then. I don't think a put two together that this was a county jail, but it was like an outdoor gel. I don't know if you remember this. Oh my god, no I don't. I don't. Yeah, so we'll get into that. But I remember that. And then he would make the inmates. At first, I thought it was just immigrant detainees. That's what I used to think back in the day, where the men were pink as like a degradation thing. I don't even remember this. Wow, I don't remember any of this.

3:10 Oh wow, Yeah, So he would force him to wear pink, and then he would do a lot of like interviews and whatnot. The thing that like for me is like, why did we all know about this man? He should have, like because he saw media attention and got media attention even before all of this, he was already known. He should have never been known outside of Arizona. No, no, but horrible people get attention, right right right? So yeah, and I knew he was a sheriff. I remember back in the day because for some reason we all knew about Arizona, and we should have. I had no business being in California knowing that Joe Orpio was the sheriff of Maricopa County in Arizona. I had no business knowing that.

3:51 And I knew back then it was a Maricopa County. Yeah, didn't we? All? Right? Right? So yeah, let's get into it, all right, I'm ready. So Joe was born on June fourteenth, nineteen thirty two, in Springsfield, Massachusetts, to Italian immigrant parents. No way, and Joe emphasized that his parents came to the US legally through Ellis Island. Mind you, there was no legal It was like Willie nilly, white people come on over, you know what I mean? Yeah, isn't it's always the children of Italian ammigrants, isn't it? Because Greg Bovino is also famously a child of Italian immigrants. Yeah, Okay, his mom died during childbirth, so he was raised by his father, who ran an Italian grocery store. And here is where I will insert my little quip about Oh, so they ran an Italian grocery store, so they didn't as into the bland general white culture. Right, They kept their Italian culture by running an Italian grocery store. And I guess that was okay for them, right, rules for the not for me, as they also say, mm hmmm hm.

5:18 So Joe helped his dad at the store while today in high school and then enlisted in the army at age eighteen while the Korean War was going on, but he didn't do any They never do what's it called anything special? Any combat? Yeah, combat, that's what I was speaking of. It's not that very special if he did. But and just pointing that out, No, but I feel like he would be a little more special maybe possibly say like I'm trying to think of someone John mckain's veterans, right, he was. He was a prisoner of war, Christina, John McCain, that's right, Yeah, yeah, thank you. Yeah. So in the army, me Joe served in the And there's something you have in common with him. A medical detachment division. Oh yeah, I know as a medic. I'm assuming it was a medic if he was on division in that division. No, there's other medical jobs. Okay, that's what I thought too, like there's other jobs. So it is I didn't really see what his job was, so I just thought that he was in that. You know what, he probably had another job. But he's a liar too, So because you mentioned that report writing skills and interviewing techniques were critical to his role, and I'm like, what were you doing?

6:29 Oh my god, that sounds like the intake People like that would be into like a like a front desk person, like a medical assistant. No, no, like a friend desk person, a receptionist, yes, which no shade to that job. But for him to be like critical and who knows, I don't know his job was, you know, just we're just we're just yapping here. Yeah, we're just heavily speculating. And so then he also served as military police when he was stationed in France, of course. Yeah, And after his discharge in nineteen fifty four, he became a police officer in Washington, d C. Where he spent three years as a b cop. Then he briefly worked in the Sheriff's department in Clark County, Nevada, where he supposedly stopped Elvis for traffic citation. But he's a liar, so I'm sure that didn't happen. You can probably lie about that, yeah, probably.

7:23 Then in nineteen fifty seven, Joe joined the predecessor to the DA, the US Bureau of Narcotics, and he remained there when it became a DA. He was there for a long time. He later explained that the Bureau was in need of Italian Americans willing to work undercover and arrest fellow Italians, arrest their own people. He was a professional snitch, and I'm sure other Italians hated his snitchazz. Of course, this was a job, right, of course he did that. No, of course, there's always room for snitches in for self hating this carceral culture. Yeah, yeah, in this carcoral country. Right. And he stayed with the DA for twenty five years, was stationed in Argantena, in Turkey and Mexicanina all over, and he eventually rose up the rinks to become the head of the DA's Arizona branch during his tenure there After he retired, he opened a travel agency in Phoenix with his wife Ava, where they sold somewhat described as a scami. But they sold me.

8:36 I would he just he sold? Okay? They sold fifty two thousand dollars flights into space aboard the Phoenix E spaceship which was supposed to take off from either the Edwards Air Force Base or the Vandenberg Air Force Base on the five hundredth anniversary of Columbus's Voyage of Colonsation. Yeah, this sounds like a scam, I would agree with you. Yeah, the spaceship never took off. Of course, I guess this was part of the like a marketing scheme by the organization. Okay, so yeah, this was like a thing being put on by the Society Expeditions, which supposedly were the ones organizing this flight into space, and then they would like give these tickets to sell to traveling agencies. And that's how Joe and his wife ended up doing that. He says he sold like five flights, but a record show that wasn't true. Record show that was a lie. The lineman continues to lie right then, in nineteen ninety two, Joe ran for Maricopa County Sheriff, defeating the incumbent. Tom Agnos, was actually under fire for getting false confessions in a nineteen ninety one massacre of six Buddhist monks two months in training and an elderly none. So I'm not sure what was going on there, but I need to look into that. Oh my god. Okay, So, like Joe was

10:09 the lesser of two evils in this case. Yeah wow, that's he had yet to do all his evil work, right, was waiting And this is what happens when you choose the lesser of two evils. They still do would you look at the shit? Oh so yeah. By nineteen eighty four, Joe started to attract the national attention for his policing methods, and this was when he enacted ten City. This sounds a little familiar. That's the outdoor dell that I was talking about earlier. Oh, that's tensity crazy now doing jail, and so he voluntarily described it as a concentration camp.

10:50 Later later said he was just joking, like, oh, I didn't mean it like that. Yeah, oh sure, Joe, Okay, Joe, Okay, that's crazy because like right now they're like the right wing is like, don't call the Tension Center's concentration camps. And here is Joe, like it's a concentration camp. Yeah yeah in two thousand and what four no, bitch, nineteen ninety four. I don't know why I said believe it because that was way off. Sorry, I'm like my concepts of time in this episode is worse than other times. Yeah, just in general, we have a bad concept of time, space direction vision. I don't know I would survive, honestly, Yeah, without technology and context. No. No, So this tense city was supposed to function as a temporary extension of the Maricopa I keep want to say Mariposa, Yeah, because we have a Mariposa County here in California. Yeah, so I supposed to function as a temporary extension of the Maricopa County jail as a solution to overcrowding. Instead of just like letting some people go, oh yeah here refuses that.

11:57 He's like, I'm not letting your prisoners and inmates go. Not these convicts. He had a joint, He had one single joint straight to jail, and so yeah, he refused to do that. So his solution was to have this ten city. It was located next to another county jael in Phoenix, and it was basically a big parking lot surrounded by wire fencing with tents that were put up wow to serve as like the jail cells. And it was like short plus I don't think I wrote it down, but he got the idea because he went to like a auction where they were selling military start plus. He was, yeah, just buying stuff and saw these tents and we're like, you know what would be good tents? You know what we could do with this house inmates jail gel And so eventually four watchtowers, stun fences, and tours were added features to ten Gel. Yes, tours, tours. People were touring these.

12:55 You could call ten City Jail and be like, hey, I have a group of five and we want to tour ten City to gawk at the inmates. Isn't that ridiculous and crazy? Oh my god? Okay about it? Dam no for real? And uh. Ten City Jail remained open until a new elected sheriff shut it down in twenty seventeen. That was finally when he was defeated by the way twenty seventeen. This bitch was reelected from nineteen ninety two to twenty seventeen because the racist motherfuckers in Arizona and Maricopa County love this bitch. They couldn't get a enough of this racist motherfucker. That's so long. Yeah, yeah, oh my god, that's like a whole generation of a child Starned elementary school and going to college. Yeah, that's a whole an adult was born and became an adults in those years while I he was elected sheriff. Mind you, this was the second career because he retired. Wow yep.

14:03 And yeah, so that Tensity stayed open until twenty seventeen. And that's the timeframe around when we saw him on the news. And that's why I thought this was like a detention center, like I don't know, I didn't realize it was like an outdoor gel. I thought we saw him before. No, no, I'm saying it was during this timeframe of nineteen eighty two twenty seventeen, right right, right, right, Oh my god, that's like almost all of our lifetime. No, I mean your babies. Yeah, he was elected in nineteen ninety two. We came into adulthood, and in a way, I was sharing into life in nineteen ninety two. Yeah. Yeah, So he was a sheriff during our whole lives. And for some fucking reason, we knew about him in California when his ass should have never been known outside of Maripos County Marcopa. But yeah, oh not again. So obviously people had issues with this Tensity jail. The whole time. No, of course. In nineteen ninety seven, I'mnesty International condemned the Tensity GEL and Jose practices for violating human and constitutional rights.

15:06 A report from Amnesty International stated that TENSITY was chronically understaffed and called for the jail to stop operating, and they were also noted concerns with the use of chain gangs at the GEL. Chain gangs mm hmm, what is that? I know you know what it is. I know you've seen pictures of it. But the reason you might not know is because these this is an outdated forced labor like tactic. But for anyone wondering chain gangs or groups of convicts that were who were used as forced labor to I don't know, different things like world construction, ditching, farming, whatever, and they were chained together while they were working, hence the term changang. I thought it was called something else for some reason, but I do know about this. Yeah. Yeah, so that's what a changing is and they were it was used during slavery. Yeah, and he was doing this. Yeah, so he was doing this at Tensity, Oh my god. Yeah.

16:03 And I actually add chainings. I think it started being used in the early nineteen hundred, so not during slavery, but for some reason it was used as a solution to convict leasing, convict leasing. What I was gonna say, wasn't this a thing during Jim Crow South? Yeah? I believe they did use it down there too during that era. Yeah, and obviously this is cruel, which is why I was outdated and no longer used, but Joe decided to bring it back. But yeah, the shackles caused painful ulcers and dangerous infections. In any misstep from any one would put the whole group in danger because one person would fall, it would bring all of them down, just as an example. Right, insane that he was doing this. Yeah, and then there were also concerns of excessive force, denial of medical treatment, and deaths at all of the gels in Maerica, but County, not just Tense City Joel. And then in nineteen ninety five, this was when Joe first caught national attention for forcing inmates to wear pink underpants, which is what we later saw in the news that he was also doing to unducting people. He had he would he's attained right, right, and the people, the people love this, They loved the abuse that Joe enacted. Well, that's why they kept voting for him. Yeah, And by nineteen ninety six he was one of the most popular politicians in Arizona. What is

17:37 going on down there? I had Arlano for you, I guess. And that year he got attention from the from then Republican presidential candidate Bob Dole, who praised tensity, saying this idea may spread in other sections of the country. I talked to one of the inmates who said, I don't want to come back here. I've learned my lesson and we know so this form of punishment is not as a terran like come on. In nineteen ninety seven, the Justice Department sued Americopa County due to the concerns of excessive force and mistreatment at the jail, but for some reason the suit was dropped. But that was only one legal battle. Oh there's more, Yeah, there's way more. In nineteen ninety nine, Americapa County settled the wrongful death lawsuit by paying and the settlement was that they had to pay eight point twenty five million dollars to the family of an inmate who died in jail after a struggle with the guards and of course he didn't really pay it.

18:45 This was paid by taxperers, I was gonna say, and all of this is from the taskpayers instead of their own like I don't know union. And so he caught more flack and legal issues when he launched a jail count website which live streamed inmates and apparently this was so popular that the live stream receives three million visitors and crashed on the first day. Who was watching this? People are depraved psychos. Oh my god. This is why you can't This is why I can't believe the blue and on conspiracy theories of Trump not being vootered in when they were doing shit like this, like please, yeah, people are insane. Yeah, no, no, three million people. People are depraved or as Hillary as she capital all capsucks she says, they're deplorables. I've forgot about that shit. Yeah.

19:45 So when people were wearing deplorable shirts fucking losers. Yeah. After a year of having the gelcam, Joe turned only one of the cameras off after it showed a women in maates using the toilet and it had been picked up by porn websites. Oh my god. Yeah. A few years later, a court ruled that the cameras violated the rights of pre trial detainees who had yet to be convicted. But I guess it was fine for convicted inmates. I don't know, because that's what they specifically said. Oh my god. Yeah.

20:26 By two thousand and five, Joe started eyeing immigration with his beady little eyes as an issue after the election of then Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas, who would go on to be disbarred by the way for what get into that later. Okay, yes it had to do with Joe. But anyway, so this, this fight against quote illegal immigration caught his eye when the attorney Maericopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas was campaigning on a message of stopping illegal illegal immigration in quotes right, right, and yeah, you know how these people can't think for themselves. So that's when he started viewing illegal quote illegal immigration as a serious He was like, what's illegal? What? What is that? Oh? It's wrong. Oh, this guy's telling me that I can't agree with this, right, So yeah, I started seeing it as a serious legal issue because of that. So starting that year, Joe started conducting what's called saturation patrols, but basically checkpoints and immigration sweeps, which police are not supposed to do exactly. Yeah, and he was targeting Latino neighborhoods and businesses that employed Latinos and then like stopping people based on whether they looked Latin or not racial profiling. Yeah, yeah, okay. So I saw different years for this, so either in two thousand and six or tw ten, but I think it was two thousand and six because it looks like the lawsuit

21:57 that was later associated with this was First Island two thousand and seven and then amended in two thousand and eight. So into six, Joe created a volunteer posse to help his deputies and enforced immigration law. This I remember, yeah, yeah. Do you do you remember any actors who were a part of this posse? No? Oh, you don't, Okay, I didn't remember either, mainly because I don't know these fucking losers are Some members of this posse included these fucking dummies Stephen Steven Seagall no Way, who by that time was a washed up sealless actor with multiple accusations of sexual harassment and assault. What is he even known for? A washed up sealless actor who was only in movies he funds because he's a fucking loser. Yeah. Yeah, another member, Lou for Reno, no way. Yeah, another washed up actor, best known for his role as the Incredible Hulk.

23:07 And actually I guess he was born as a sheriff for some reason, in different departments like La San Li's Obispo counties in California and in Delaware County, Ohio over the years. I don't know why he I guess because he's not an actor anymore. So now he's a sheriff that's his second career. And then some other guy I didn't really know, but I guess he was an actor. Uh damn they ever write it down. Oh oh, Peter Lupis. I don't now, don't know who he is. It's like an older actor. I forgot to mention. So did you know that Lufino? During Trump's first presidency, he was appointed as a member of Trump's Council on Sports, Fitness and Nutrition. Yeah, oh my god, I didn't know that. Yeah, that's that Lupis guy. Okay, I don't know that is a former bodybuilder. Yeah, and they're all these are all like like bodybuilder types, So that's saying something I guess. So interesting pattern there.

24:03 I mean, we have talked about the fitness into the al right pipeline before. Mm hmm. I'm very unsurprised to hear though, Steven Sagall and lou Fino and this fellow. It's like the that one guy who was Superman and made all those commercials or whatever her eyes or he wasn't he was like joint ice, Oh was he Superman? Was anyone? I know who you're talking about, but I didn't realize. I didn't know he was Superman. I know who you're talking about though, Yeah, yeah, hold on, Dean Kin, yeah him, ridiculous, lose your fucking behavior. Yeah. And other POSSE members included the Mortcycle Club American Freedom Writers, who at this point were known for being racist and shouting stars, basically being Nazis. They just wrote around shouting slurs and their motorcycles. Yeah, and like a little club of more cycle writers at their little vests shouts their little matching vests, probably with the little like uh swatka is on them.

25:15 Yeah yeah, I'm probably the US flag right next to next to the swatka yeah yeah yeah, and maybe a Confederacy flag as well. And these were the people who volunteered for this anti immigrant posse. M So this posse operated until twenty thirteen until the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office a lost its authority to enforce immigration law after a court case which became a class action lawsuit Melendis versus our Pio. And here is some of the things that the complaint alleged that around two thousand and seven, Americopa County and Joe R. Pio entered into an agreement with ICE that basically allowed deputies to perform it enforcement functions and limited circumstances, which was legal under a section two eight seven G of the Immigration and Nationality Act. But the section pretty much says it's not the design to allow local law enforcement to perform a random street operations or immigration rates, which is what Joe and his deputies were doing, right right. And then the section also says law enforcement officers cannot outright ask about immigration status only if the person is suspected of a state crime and more than a traffic offense something else. Joe and his deputies were not following, so they were following the law.

26:37 There is like some circumstances where law enforcement is allowed to ask legally about immigration that this section two eight seven g outlines, but they were not following the law. Okay, yeah, of course, of course. And then the complaint also alleged that Joe and his deputies were racially profiling, and indeed they were, of course, of course yeah. Emails later showed Joe was saying things like quote, if you have dark skin, then you have dark skin. Unfortunately, that is a look of the Mexican illegal who were here illegally. They bring their unclean, disrespectful, integrity less, law breaking selves here. I am begging you to come over to the twenty ninth Street Greenaway Parkway area and round them all up. They crawl around here all day and night end. Quote what the fuck? Oh my fucking god, what the fun? Joe?

27:34 If I ever see you, it's on site, on site. Take with that, we will. That's not thereat. But if that's what you picture it, take from that what you will. It's on site, bitch, Wow, I don't even give a fuck if his ninety three or whatever it's on site. I will clock a ninety three year old. I will if it's Joe R. Pio. Yeah, bitch, it's on site. And then one more email just just too miss us off. Okay, there was not an employee in sight or within hearing who spoke English as the first language to my dismay, you might want to check this out. Up ridiculous. That was to one of his deputies, or that was one of his deputies. He sent it to one of his deputies, like, hey, check this out. Not speaking English to my just may fucking loser who fucking cares? You're an arisona bitch and Mary again and uh, just to give one obvious example of issial profiling, sheriffs conducted an immigration raid at a church which they said was a day labor center within the church and the parking lot of the church. Were they really just at a church though? Probably yeah? Yeah.

29:01 And they arrested and questioned nine Latinos during this raid. And in one instance, they questioned the driver of a vehicle who was white, but gave him no citation and allowed him to leave while they detained his Latino passengers. Oh my god. And one of the men detained during this incident, Manuel de Jesus or Dega Melendrez, the namesake of the class action lawsuit, was in this car. Okay, I see while being questioned Manuel showed his visa and worked permit to deputies. Okay, yes, he had like broke authorization proving that he could be here legally. Okay, right, and he was ordered to exit the car. He was pushed against the police vehicle. He was patted down and his pockets. Manuel had his wallet and a small bottle of lotion because he didn't like having dry skin. That's why he had lotion moisturized king. But these ashy asses, they can't relate now, of course, So after removing the lotion from his pocket, a deputy asked him in like a confrontational way. They were like, how many times a week do you jack off? Because to them, that's the only purpose of lotion, right, they're like telling on themselves, discussing people, truly, not that it's discussing to chuck off, But why would you say that to someone you're but these people, yeah, these people talking off terror. But yeah, but to say that to someone you're like, you're the officer and they're the person you're offensive, I would say it's sexual harassment, I would agree, coming from them, yeah, yeah.

30:36 Manuel was handcuffed roughly, despite him asking them to be careful because he had a risk injury that had never healed properly. Of course, they didn't listen to him, and he was held at the Sheriff's office for about four hours. For what it s gatewards he's he ended up being there for longer. We'll get into He was at the sheriff's officer for hours and he was never offered in its nation as bench speaking translator, given his Miranda rights, offered a phone call or anything. Then they drove him to the local Ice office, where by this point he was in pain and his hands had become swollen, and he was placed in an ice holding self for over an hour, again with no explanations. Finally, an ICE agent asked to see his documents, which were valid, and he was let go. Of course, during the whole time in custody between Sheriff's office and Ice it had been about nine hours. Oh my god. Manoel was never offered water, food, told his rights again, or given the names to the officers who were involved in his arrest, or any paperwork. Nothing. Wow.

31:44 Then he had to make his own way back home from downtown Phoenix to Cave Creek, which was about thirty two miles apart. Oh my god, and Thank god he was capable of doing that, because some people like Nuru La Minsha Malam have lost their lives after being dropped off by eyes. Yeah, this is dangerous as fuck and they don't care. Yeah, I'm gonna take a quick detour to talk about nowdoo because I feel like everyone needs to know about this. So he was a rhiniage and hopefully I'm saying that refugee from Burma who and he fled genocide. That's why he was a refugee. He was nearly blind, likely as a result of being tortured during said genocide, and he spoke no English. He was arrested last year on February fifteenth, twenty twenty five, after being tasered and beat That morning, he had gone for a walk and him and his family had actually just arrived I think, only a few weeks before that, to Buffalo, New York. So he needed a walking stick but only had twenty dollars, so he ended up buying a current rod to use as a walking stick, and then when the weather got bad, he had it back home, but he got lost because he was new to Laria. Around ten thirty am, he ended up in Tracy Chcoone's backyard in the Riverside neighborhood of Buffalo Patrecy Norul had opened her back gate, let her dock out and damage her shared door with his current rod. According to police en rule was swinging the current rod in a menacing manner, and the arresting officer, Officer Christopher Mordino, believed Nodule intended

33:19 to hurt the police with this current rod. Nodol's lawyer said he was just scared and startled by the dog and the commotion. And mind you, in many countries dogs are used to torture people and they're not used as pets. Yeah, it's only of freaking people from here that are obsessed with dogs, me being one of them. Full shade to them for not understanding that other people and other places and even here, like in the sixties, they used dogs to bite black people and suppress their protests. Yeah, right, So like there's not this dog living culture everywhere and that's okay and we should be able to say that. No. Yeah, And I linked an article sources that goes into more detail about his rest because it's worse than what I said.

34:03 But he's charged with assault, trespassing, and possession of a weapon the curtain rod. Yeah. Once he's placed in the holding center, Ice placed an immigration detainer on him, and so Nodoon's family decided to not build him out because they feared the ICE would take him into custody if he were released from jail, even on baill sorry the oh, so in normal jail they placed like the guy Ice basically basically informing Ice that he was and the family didn't want to bail him out because if they did, Ice would come get him. Yeah, okay, Yeah. So months go by and then the DA agrees to offer a plea deal to Nordle in which he would not be convicted with the felony because that would have made him deportable. So they his lawyers and DA reached a plea deal. Right, So he pleads guilty to trespassing and a misdemeanor possession of a weapon the curtain rod, right, the current rod, and these convictions would not warrant detention or deportation. But for some reason, on Thursday February nineteenth, this year, twenty twenty six, he was released to Bord Patrol. And it's not clear why, because his attorneys they thought Ice was going to detain him, but ICE was aware that he was not deportable, and they were basically ready to pick him up at the ICE station and they were told, oh, he's not here, so I supposed to go get on, but Bord Patrol had already gotten him something. I'm not even it wasn't clear to me how he ended up in Bor Patrol's hands, but yeah, they're the ones that got him. And so once Bord Patrol found out he

35:33 was not deportable, instead of taking Noodle back to the holding center or calling his family, literally doing anything, they dropped him off at a closed Tim Morrins coffee shop five miles from his home, which was actually his former address because during the time he was incarcerated, his family moved, but they were supposed to be informed when he was released to pick him up, of course, so he was about five hours away from home. He didn't know how to get back to his house, which no longer was his house either way, right, his family and his attorneys report him missing because they don't know where he's at. Then, on Tuesday, February twenty fourth, around eight thirty pm, a passer by called nine one one because she had a found Nodole's body and he was not responsive. But she had actually walked by him around five point thirty and he was on the floor, and she says he was moving around them, but she happened to pass by again and then he was no longer moving, so she called.

36:34 But she didn't like call, not the first time she saw him. I think people see men laying on the street, and you know, you want assumes all they're on drugs or they're sleeping, you know, so I'm assuming that's what she did, But then she walked. When she walked by him again, she noticed his skin was gray and he was not moving, so she called nine one one, and the first responders who arrived shortly after are pronounced Nodle dead at the scene. And point being borbitual has a habit of doing that. Yeah, they did that to Manuel decades ago. Yeah, and they just did that recently. So this is what they do. This is who they are.

37:16 You can't terrain them out of it. You can't reform them because they are the worst, and they have always been the worst, exactly since their inception. Yes, yeah, and so back to Joe's BSh, there were more instances of racial profiling including in the lawsuit. In the lawsuit, including one family who was pulled over and cited for driving down a closed the road while white families driving down the same road were just giving warnings, And this interaction is described in the complaint. But the woman who was driving was like, can't you just let us go and give us a warning, like you're giving everybody else a warning.

37:58 They were like no, because they were Latinos. It was a Latino family. And the sheriffs also conducted raids in areas where they didn't have jurisdiction, like the city of Phoenix, where the Phoenix Police Department has jurisdiction. And then a different lawsuit from two thousand and seven which eventually joined this class action lawsuit, But this was from a Mexican citizen who was visiting the US legally and was detained by the sheriff's department. So I didn't read into that one. But that was just another example right of racial profiling. Wow. Also in two thousand and eight, Joe established a hot line where citizens could leave tips about alleged undocumented immigrants.

38:38 These fucking hotlines and what is it with these fucking fascist people authoritarian days. The same tactics. The hotline a snitch love hot line. Yeah, yeah, you know what did you see that clip of that comedian who made a fake hotline number? Yeah, and a teacher calls them the hotline and she's like, yeah, this his family deport them basically, and then the guy's like, okay, so you want me to deport this five year old child's parents. And then she's like, you can make it. It's not horrible, and he's like, I'm just repeating what you're saying. They say and do horrible shit, and then when you tell them, hey, that's racist, Oh damn you, they cry their little tears. Well, what if you stop being racist? Then maybe you wouldn't be crying about being called racist? Like how horrible do you have to be to call on your kindergarten student and be like, oh, they look like they're not from here.

39:29 You're yeah, it's like care bitch, damn are you even a teacher? Yeah? No, they do this. These type of people become power over people, so they become teachers. And of course is not to say that teachers and helping professions are like this, you know, but these teachers people, they seek out these careers to prey on on vulnerable people. Yeah, but yeah, they and Gortha, they love their hotlines. Yeah. And so then this hotline plus the volunteer posse of citizens enforcing immigration law. Right, obviously, this resulted in more racial profiling. In October twenty thirteen, as a result of the class action lawsuit, Judge Snow issued an order mandating Joe and his agency to make changes to prevent continued misconduct and prevent future violations of the community community's constitutional rights.

40:23 And there was like a whole list of stuff they needed to change, stuff they needed to enact that was a part of this ruling. One of those things was appointing a monitor to keep tabs on the sheriff's department, to have audio and video recording of all traffic stops, increase training, implement comprehensive record keeping. Because also they were like pulling people over and then not giving them like a citation or like a key number, like to have it on paper. Yeah, harassing, they were harassing people like without a pay per troil. And so these were like some of the things to try to like stop that right that he was ordered to do. Right, he was doing this right, They weren't suggesting core orders. Yeah, and then also stemming from this lawsuit in May twenty sixteen, because Joe wasn't following and the core orders that he was supposed to be following that he was ordered to follow the changes he was supposed to be making. That like, he was supposed to stop racial profiling, right right, right, and didn't. So then in May twenty sixteen, a federal court found Joe and his top deputies to be in contempt for repeatedly violating core orders to stop ritually profiling.

41:33 On the notes, he just couldn't he couldn't stop doing. Yeah, he just needed to. It was like a compulition for him. Yeah. Yeah. And as part of his ruling, Judge Now wrote the following, The court finds that the defendants have engaged in multiple acts of misconduct, dis honesty, and bad faith with respect to the plaintiff class and the protection of its right. They have demonstrated a persistent disregard for the orders of the court, as well as an intention to violate and manipulate the laws and policies regulating their conduct, a partly from this class action lawsuit in twenty ten. Oh yeah, there's more. In twenty ten, the US Department of Justice sued the Americopa County Sheriff's Department due to discrimination against Latinos, who they found were being frequently stopped, detained, and arrested on the basis of race, color, or national origin. And also because of discriminatory job practices against Latino Latino inmates who had limited English skills, and because of illegal retaliation against precede critics. So this was These were all the reasons that the Department of Justice sued the Americopa County in twenty ten, and that was apart from the class action lawsuit for similar reasons of racial profiling. Right, and so, speaking of the legal retaliation against their preced critics, Joe had reporters Mike Lacey and Jim Larkin arrested after they

43:05 published an article about a grant a separate grand jury investigation, Oh my god, what the fuck involving Joe's office, And all charges against Mike and Jim were eventually dropped because they were bogus, but they sued the county and settled for three point sinty five million, again out of the taxpayer wallet. But on the bright side, Mike and Jim used that money to establish a journalism school at the Arizona State University, and also the Lazy and Larkin fronta fund which advocates for a migrant rights and freedom of speech issues. So that's free kids, that's beautiful. Yeah. So then when he went back into the community. Yeah, but yeah, they were not the only ones targeted by Joe, and Joe was eventually sued for targeting others, and so was the Maricopa County attorney Andrew Thomas, who was helping Joe target these people. And Andrew was eventually disbarred for these actions. Okay, this is why he was just barred. Yeah, and Joe even opened a criminal investigation on Judge Snow, the judge that was presiding over the class action lawsuit. Wow. Yeah, yeah, and he had a private investigator tail Judge Snow's wife.

44:24 That sounds illegal, it was, and why the Department of Justice was suit him for these things, right right, right right? At least eleven people filed lawsuits against Joe and Andrew eleven. Yeah, And as of June twenty fourteen, figures showed that Joe and Andrew cost Maricopa County taxpayers over forty four million dollars forty four million dollars, but they kept voting for him idiots, I'm sorry to say. Yeah. And there's more issues, including election law violations, misspending county funds. For example, Joe used funding that was supposed to go into the human smuggling unit for investigating political rivals. Hello, Hello, this is Christina from the Future. A quick correction here. He did not misuse funds from the human smuggling unit. He misused funds for that unit. He was using money from a restricted detention fund. And what this means is that this is money that could only legally be used for jail items like food equipment, and instead he uses for that human smuggling unit and to pay for investigations of his political rivals. So very much illegally using these funds. Okay, back to the episode. And that's the thing they're always crying about illegal immigration. They're out here doing the most illegal shit. This bitch was a fucking criminal and so yeah,

45:55 he was misusing funds, right, So not only for investigating political rivals, but he also use that money to go on out of state fishing trips like to Alaska and to go to Disneyland Alaska and Disneyland Okay. Yeah, then the DOJ suit him again for the same things in twenty twelve. I'm like again again. And then during these lawsuits, the Department of Justice had to sue Joe to get him to cooperate with their investigation. And that was the first time that the Justice Department had to sue an agency for refusing to comply. Oh my god. See, if if this money was coming straight out of their pockets and if he was actually able to face jail time, they wouldn't be doing this. If they could just grab him, throw him in his own tensity, shackle him, and then take the sheriff county money, you wouldn't be doing any of this. But because it comes out of the taxpayer, because he can just evade all this like he just kept doing it. Yeah. An expert in the DOJ lawsuit said that Joe and his sheriffs engaged and oversaw the worst pattern of racial profiling in US history, in US history, second to only two Ice right now. Yeah, probably if they like redid the study, they would find that Ice is doing the mostarcial profiling. But yeah, Joe was doing this shit. That bitch wasn't even working for ICE or Port it's a sheriff. Oh my fucking god. And yeah,

47:27 the study commissioned by the Justice Department found that Latino drivers were four to nine times more likely to be stopped then similarly situationd non Latino drivers. So like an example that I gave earlier was that family was pulled over for driving down that road and the white families were like, oh right. Yeah. The study also found that Joe's anti immigration squads responded repeatedly with enforcement patrols to complaints about people with dark skin or Spanish speakers. How is that even a situation where you have to respond? These are people just existing in their skin and in ninety one they're speaking Spanish. Storic person speaking Spanish, Like what the fuck? And then the study also found that prison guards pressured Latino inmates to sign voluntary deportation forms of course, and yeah, so this was one thing that they had stopped doing once they lost the legal ability from that one section to eight seven G. And yeah, there were other issues that they also described, like in one instance, Joe was asking his deputies to go check out a McDonald's where workers were speaking Spanish. And then there was another time where Joe thanked a racist letter writer for sharing his concerns about illegal immigration. And I wish I had looked for a copy of this letter, but I didn't. I didn't look into it. You know what, I didn't even want to hear him. I know you're right, we have shared probably just vile, just vile shit. And he's like, thank you, thank you for saying all that.

49:00 And now back to the twenty sixteen ruling in that class action lawsuit. So the court found Joe to be in contempt repeatedly because he continued to racially profound Latinos. And it got to the point that federal prosecutors charged Joe with criminal contempt of court. And he finally finally lost his re election after serving six terms that year, twenty sixteen, six terms. These people re elected him six after all the investigations, after all the fraud, all the money he was misusing, after all of that. I know they don't care about how people in jail are being treated. I know they don't care about Latinos and indocumented people.

49:41 But they still did not care that their money that they had to pay over forty four million dollars because of this man, and that was just on the account of the eleven lawsuits, there was still other lawsuits like the wrongful death that's key, mistreating in jails. Yeah, so I don't know the total is. We'll never know. I mean, I'm sure that I could look it up, but I didn't like total all the different losses to get out of course. Of course, in twenty seventeen, Joe was found guilty for criminal contempt of court and was facing up to six months in jail. I didn't see if he ended up serving that time or not, but he was sound guilty for criminal contempt of course. Okay, there's, like I said, other lawsuits, too many lawsuits instead of on his name to get into. But in two thousand and four he was sued for wrongful arrest and entrapment. And it's so hard to prove entrapment. Mind you, what is entrapment?

50:39 You know what triment is. It's like basically when the police set you up. Now I meant for the arrest for the listeners, it's when the police set you up basically to commit a crime and then they arrest you. That's illegal, of course. Yeah yeah. And of course, like I said, that's without mentioning all the lawsuits over jail conditions under Joe right right, Oh my god, just to mention one of these lawsuits because there was many of them, Graves v or Pyo. In this lawsuit, federal Judge Neil Wake found that the county jails violated the constitutional rights of inmates in medical and other care related issues. And some of the allegations included inmates being fed moldy bread, broughten fruit, and other contaminated food, held in cells that were too hot to the point they endangered the inmates' health and denied them serious medical Oh. I already said that medical metal needs, among other issues. And yeah, and this was also one of the biggest issues intense city because they were outdoors in Arizona has one hundred plus degree days during the summer times and these people were held outdoors intent straight up in the sun, with no ac nothing man. Yeah. And if that's not enough, Joe was involved in the so called birther movement. Do you remember that? Very vaguely. Yeah, this was a bunch of fucking racists. We're saying Obama for the birth certificate and he wasn't born in the UIA as one of the ring leaders was Trump, of course. Yeah, and basically they were saying that because that would make him eligible, eligible to be president. And of course it was a lie,

52:10 was made up. They just made this shit up. And yeah, Joe kept pushing this birther conspiracy into twenty sixteen, when Obama wasn't even fucking president anymore, of course, of course, And he even held a news conference in twenty sixteen, which why was showing up to this who I don't know, like why other fucking dumbasses. Yeah, and at this conference he was showing nine ways in which the birth certificate, Obama's birth certificate was forged, which I'm like, you're just You're just sitting there pointing at things. It's like, sir, you cost you cost your county forty four million dollars, forty four million dollars. Like stop stop, what a reading? We just go home, go home, stay there and don't show you and ever again. But yeah, And although Joe was convicted of criminal contempt of court. I don't know if you know this, I did so. Although he was convicted of criminal contempt of court, Joe was eventually pardoned by none other than Trump. Are you fucking to right now? Oh? Yeah?

53:19 Of course, of course that's all. I'm nothing. I was shock for like a second, but no upon thinking, upon thinking about it for a little bit. No, of course, of course that's who pardoned him. Why wouldn't he. Trump announced this decision on none other than Twitter, declaring Joe to be an American patriot who was just keeping Arizona safe. He costs was the biggest racial profiler legally, yeah, over eleven lawsuits. Yeah. Many people took issue with this, including the ACLU and the NAACP, who issued state saying the pardon was a presidential endorsement of racism and calling Joe a remorseless criminal who took the launch of his own hands and enacted racist policing policies, which just all that is true legally speaking. Yeah. Several experts on authoritarianism described the pardon as illiberal and that it undermined the law, which yeah, it did, I mean yeah. After the pardon, Joe filed a motion to vacate his conviction for criminal contempt, but it was denied by Judge Susan Bolton, and she was saying, she said that while the pardon spared Joe from any punishment, it didn't revise the historical facts of this case, so that's why she denied it, Like, no, you did all this yeah yeah. And finally, in twenty twenty, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals rejected Joe's attempt to

54:50 vacate his guilty verdict. Good and as of this episode February twenty twenty six, that bitch, Wait, it's March, and I was like, yeah, February. As of March twenty twenty six, that bitch, Joe is still kicking. I can't believe he's still Yeah, like you said, the most evil people of the longest Yeah, yeah, that was an episode on Joe Opio. Thank you for that. I love getting mad, like I love hearing you, just like adding to a list of people that I should hate and why you should hate them. I already hated him, and you already hated him, but there was so much I didn't know about this, Yeah, bitch, like yeah, yeah, I hated him before, but I hate him even more now. And I'm honestly I can't wait until he dies. Sorry to say, I'm not sorry to say, actually, yeah, I will be celebrating, so I hope he croaks over soon.

55:52 I mean, he's the numbers are not on his side, you know, like time of nineties three, he's kind of overdue. Really yeah, he has long lived his uh time, he needs to go. Yeah yeah, well let us know who else we should add to our Behind the Bastard of those episodes and these are just like it's like Behind the Bastards but has to do with something Latine Yeah. Yeah. And and Joe he's the biggest op. That's what he has to do. He terrorize the community. Uh. And again Carmen's biggest app in mine too, but not as much as Carmen. Yeah. Yeah, he's been my He's been my biggest op since I learned of this man. I think I was in high school. Yeahs was on talking about him before he left the Nubi sound because they were super protent trumph yeah R network R. Yeah. Okay, Well we hope that was one last Historia Unknown for you by by He Starts Known. Is produced by Carmen and Christina, researched by Carmen and Christina, edited by Christina. You can find sources for every episode at Studia Unknown dot com and in our show notes. Creating the podcast has a lot of work, so if you want to help us out, financially.

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