Oct. 9, 2025

History of Border Patrol (Part Three)

History of Border Patrol (Part Three)
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The organization known today as border patrol began in 1924. In this episode, Carmen tells Cristina about the history of border patrol. Specifically the attempted reform of the border patrol, which unfortunately didn’t reform much and still allowed violent and racist men to stay in the border patrol. The border patrol training school was establish, which brought a uniformity to the project of the border patrol.

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Sources

https://aapihistorymuseum.org/what-did-these-anti-chinese-laws-and-rules-say/ 
Migra! A History of US Border Patrol by Kelly Lytte Hernandez
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https://read.dukeupress.edu/hahr/article/50/3/602/152626/The-Spanish-Americans-of-New-Mexico-A-Heritage-of 
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Hey everyone. This is Carmen and Christina and this is

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Estoria's Unknown, a podcast where we talk about Latin American history.

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Sometimes it's horrible and deals with heavy topics like racism, corruption,

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and genocide. But more than that, it's also by resistance,

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power and community. All right, I guess I'll get into it.

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We are continuing our History of Border Patrol series if

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you will, Part three. BB. I had to take a

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break because I'm really bad at doing my notes. She's

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the worst. I really am. Like, I'm the worst procrastinator.

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And if there's if it's not, if it's not high stakes,

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I don't get it done. It doesn't high stakes never

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for me. So I'm like, I need a break. I

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need you to I need you to like charge me

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like twenty dollars or something, and then I'll probably like

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finish them more often. Oh say no more. Yeah, we'll

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see if that works for next time. Bit towards my

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twenty bucks. Just requests twenty dollars, not even explain like

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reminder or anything. Just so yeah, that's how we missed

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last episode because I was behind on my notes. Here

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we are for again part three of the History of

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Port Patrol. So Is there anything you want to mention

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before I get into it? Are you going to do

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a little summary of what we covered in the last

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two just the last one, oh, the last one, okay,

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No other than that, I have nothing to add. I'm

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ready to hear part three. Well. Part one was basically

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just about the anti immigration laws that led to the

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establishment of Board Patrol, and that was basically it, I think,

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the history of the laws and the beginnings of Board Patrol.

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And then last week we talked about the racism, e genesism,

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traditional violence of the early por Patrol and basically how

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they started policing Mexican almost right away. Yes, yes, And

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so we left off with the attempted reform of the

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Board Patrol, which didn't really reform much and still allowed

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violent and racist men like who was that fellow I

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mentioned last time? Charles ad Skins or Atkins or something

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like that. Atkins is like that diet though so it's

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not it's probably Askins No, Okay, I don't remember, but

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uh yeah, that fellow, the one that would show off

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how much people he would kill and shoot. Do you

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remember now, yes? The yes, yes, yes, he's like I

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have I killed thirty four men not counting, and he

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said this Blacks and Mexicans. Yes, I remember this, I

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remember him now. Yeah, So that's where we left off

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last time. And this brings us to the establishment of

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the Border Patrol Training School, which attempted to or brought

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a uniformity to ward patrol. Okay. And so the training

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school was established in nineteen thirty seven, and it was

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actually an expansion of the first training program which was

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created in nineteen thirty five by Herbert C. Horseley the

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last name Horseley, and he was the chief patrol inspector

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of the Enfatwood District, and so it was established by

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him and his supervisor, Grover C. Wilmith. They established this

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initial training program because they were dealing with officers who

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were fused toward their uniforms, drank on the job, couldn't

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stop gossipine, slept on the job, sexually exploited women. The

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way they quoted it would seemed like they were flirting

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with women. But I know what they were doing, you know, Yeah, yeah,

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everyone knows. And they also overreached their authority by conducting

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random traffic checks. So probably just straight u virtial profiling,

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you know what I mean? Yes, And so no matter

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how many memos Herbert and Grover circulated, their officers wouldn't listen.

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And here are some examples of the memos that they

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circulated and recirculated. Employees messwhile on duty not indulged in

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the use of intoxicating liquors in novalist Sonora, Mexico or elsewhere,

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and quote impropriety of any officer or employee of the

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Immigration Service accepting gratuities of any sort from any alien,

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so like they shouldn't do that, and quote, despite frequent warnings,

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certain officers and employees have continued to indulge in useless

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and harmful talk to outsiders concerning official matters. So that's

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where they couldn't stop gossiping, and so they kept like

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issuing these memos because they wouldn't listen. And Grover's oops,

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I know that is his first name whatever, because you

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know my first name basis with everybody. Yeah, Grover, Yeah,

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that's almost like a last name. So I can't remember

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if I said his first name first and then was

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changed into his last name. But no, okay, so Grovers.

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Grover's first attempt at some kind of uniformity was a

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welcome letter given to all new recruits, in which he

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gave a detailed list of dos and don'ts and instructed

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the new recruits to find experienced agents to their mentors.

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But again, most of these experienced agents and old timers

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were violent and racist men. So this didn't actually impose

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regularity or uniformity, but instead just establish this tradition of

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violence that we have been talking about. Well that was

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the purpose. Well I don't think that's what they meant

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to do from their memos and everything. No, no, you're right,

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you're right. But either way it happened, yes, yes, and

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then so yeah, in an attempt to impose regularity and uniformity,

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Grover established the Elpaso District Training School, and here the

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new recruits learned Spanish. They learned about immigration law, conduct,

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rights of search, seizure, evidence, corporate seizure, firearms, fingerprinting, identification,

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line patrolling, and horsemanship and writing. And again, like I said,

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this was all fine and everything. Yeah, I mean it

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sounds good, a place for standards, for their for standards

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to exist, But the instructures were people like Charles Askins

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of course, and other old timers. And then I already

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mentioned this, but I had wrote it here just a

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reminder that Charles was a violent racist, remembered as a

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stone cold killer in his obituary, and he liked to

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show off how many people he killed, and he loved

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to talk about how he would be confessions out of migrants.

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So he was out here training the new recruits. Okay. Yeah,

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So this training school had the opposite effect of uniformity

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and just further cemented the racism violent practices of the

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Board Patrol. And in nineteen thirty seven, the Vaso District

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Training School was renamed by the Immigration Service to the

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Border Patrol Training School and started to require all new

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recruits to be trained, there forever changing the practice of

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immigration enforcement. So first they used to all just get

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trained at their own districts, okay, and now they all

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go to this place in Paso. Before this change, immigration

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enforcement was not mainly focused on the US Mexico border.

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At that point, there were more officers stationed in the

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US Canada border compared to the US Mexico border. Yeah,

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what a time. What a time. But requiring all of

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the recruits to attend the training school and having them

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do their first patrol in the US Mexico border and

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to be trained by the old timers allowed the US

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Mexico border to become the focus of immigration enforcement. Yeah,

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and then they were learning Spanish, right, right, you know

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what that's true because there was obviously there's other groups

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of well unauthorized migrants and speak other languages, and yet

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the focus was Spanish, right, because the focus was to

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police Mexicans because racism. Yeah. And among the first men

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to be trained at the Border Patrol Training school was

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Harlan B. Carter. Harlan B. Carter That that motherfucker. Do

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you want to give a brief summary about him? Yeah,

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So for those who don't listen to his spooky tales.

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That is our paryormal slash to crime podcast, And we

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covered a case involving mister Harlan B. Carter because this

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is a NEPO Border patrol agent. His daddy was a

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Border patrol agent baby, and then he went on to

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be a border patrol agent. But before that, he at

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age eighteen was it seventeen? I think seventeen. I want

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to say, at age seventeen killed Mexican teenager Dramon Gaciano

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for no reason other than he believed Ramon and his

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two friends were guilty of stealing the family car with

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zero evidence. He just went and you know, tried to

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get them to come to his house to interrogate them.

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And when he didn't like this, these friends didn't listen.

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He went to go grab his shotgun and then killed

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Ramond Caciano and he spent I think that was longer

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less than a year in jail. And yeah, he killed

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a Mexican teenager, then went on to join por Patrol

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as many of the forefathers of por Patrol were accustomed

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to doing so, right, right exactly. Also, wasn't he one

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of the minds behind Operation Wetback? I believe so. I

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think we talked about that back then, thinks I mean

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in that episode, and I think the book will get

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into it later because there is like a whole chapter

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on Operational Wetback. So where was I Just to add

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a little bit more about Harlan. He was from La Lelo.

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And when Harlan was growing up, Laddo's population the majority

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was Mexican. Right, And this was like literally and that

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is because that is because the United States crossed the border. Right,

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They took this land and then put a line across

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it and said, right, this is now the United States. Yeah,

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and his family moved to this already this Mexican town

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essentially who was only and they were angry about the

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Mexican right, right, only a name. Was it part of

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the United States at heart? It was still part of Mexico. Yeah,

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I mean it hadn't been part of the US for

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that long, right. So in nineteen twenty seven, Clifford Perkins,

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who I've been talking about the route, but he was

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like I think he was like named the director of

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Border Patrol when it was first established, something like that,

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top guy in the early border patrol. And so he

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went to Lao as part of his border patrol management duties,

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and he found that the local border patrol wasn't really

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enforcing immigration because they were mostly Mexican and they didn't care.

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And that's right, that's the right thing to do there.

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And I don't disagree with that, and I applaud them

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for that. And so, without actual math or proper research,

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Clifford estimated that about ninety nine percent of the town

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was the Mexican or Mexican descent, and it could have

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been it just that he was just guessing off the

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top of his gnome. Actually, Harlan B. Carter was the

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only white family there. Carland and his family were the

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only white family. Stupid, and so he was like things

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can be like this, and he just can't be as essay, right,

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And he fired about half of lat of those Border

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Patrol inspectors and the chief patrol inspector and he either

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like forced him to quit or fire them. Then to

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suppend justly, I mean really just because he felt it

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was to Mexican, so yeah. And then to supposedly fix

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the quote Mexican domination of this town, Clifford transferred Border

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Patrol agents who had a previous experience as Texas rangers

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too there because he felt that they were all experienced,

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well disciplined fighters who knew the country well, the most violent, right,

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and that was the point to yea, send people to

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be violent against Mexicans and quell the supposed Mexican domination

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of this literal once Mexican town where the people never

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stopped being Mexican called the faceboarder put up yes, Yes,

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and the name is literally in Spanish, right right. Kelly,

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the author of the book, described the cleanup transformed the

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latter Little Bord Patrol into a refuge for white violence

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within Mexican dominated Latte. And yeah, one of the men

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who fit right into this refuge of white violence was

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Harlan Carter, who, before joining, like Christina said, before joining

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the latter little Border Patrol, was released from prison for

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murdering a Mexican teenager. I'm Casiano mm hm. And now

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we're going to pivot and get into the development of

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border patrol in California and Arizona because we've only been

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talking about Dejas. Oh, we're leaving Texas and Harlan B. Carter.

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I thought we were just getting started with him. No,

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actually no, But if people want to learn more about him,

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we have that Spookitales episode. Yes, yes, we do, because

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that he went on to do worse. Yeah. Yeah. So,

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initially in California, a border patrol started off policing Asian,

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European and Mexican migrants equally, but over time, just like

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in Texas, immigration enforcement became synonymous to policing Mexicans. And oh,

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I did some rise a little bit. In part one,

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we talked a bit about the long history of anti

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Chinese immigration laws in the US and California and when

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this sentiment was at its strongest. Port video Das in

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Mexico was encouraging Asian immigration to Mexico. Oh, I actually

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didn't know this, and I'm surprised enterprise too. I thought

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I actually put in here if you wanted to add

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a little bit about the Portfiriato, Oh well, I certainly can.

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The Portfyriato as it's called today, is a thirty year

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period in which Portfido Yaz was the essentially dictator of Mexico.

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There were little breaks between his presidencies again dictatorship, and

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he did at advance Mexico when you look at the

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term at advance in terms of making it more Americanized

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or Europanized, which was his goal. So he let a

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lot of American businesses just do whatever they wanted. People

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didn't like that. The wealth gap grew a ton, so

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the rich were super rich and the middle there was

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no middle like known between then the poor were super poor,

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and people didn't like this. There was also a bunch

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of repression, especially towards indigenous Yaqui, where they were sent

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to concentration camps, they were murdered and mass which we

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actually did talk about in the What is her Name?

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She's amazing and I love her? Oh did I see that. Ye, yes,

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we talked a little bit about that. She was actually

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sent away exiled from Mexico by Portfido the as for

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setting up for the Yaqui. But yeah, a lot of

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that repression, violence and inequity which an edi edit, oh

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my god, I can't say that word. Inevitably, thank you,

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led to the Mexican Revolution, which is where he was

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no longer the Dittar. But then a lot of unrest

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followed continued. Yeah, and so yeah, how you mentioned how

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port Video Vias basically invited American businesses to be in

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Mexico and kind of like wanted to be more Americanized.

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Chinese immigrants ended up settling in the northwest, mostly of

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Mexico because they worked for an American, a United States company,

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And so by nineteen twenty, about ten thousand Japanese immigrants

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relevant in Mexico, and by nineteen thirty fifteen thousand, nine

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hundred and sixty Chinese immigan were living in Mexico. And

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then yeah, like I mentioned, most of them settled in

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the northwest of Mexico and in Baha, California. And this

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made racists white people in the United States nervous because

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they they thought that Asian immigrants would invade the United

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States from the Mexico border. Oh my god, sta after

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chilling in Mexico. Right, Also, there was a lot of

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racism and stuff in Mexico too. I was literally just

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gonna say that. Yeah. The book gets into it about

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the anti Chinese and anti Asian sentiments in the United

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States and Mexico, but I didn't really get into it much,

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just to focus more on the history of border patrol.

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But it was like this back and forth between the

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United States kicking out the Asian migrants into Mexico and

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Mexico not wanting them, Mexicans blaming Asians for lack of jobs.

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Just like, yes, yeah, yeah, very common story. There was

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even a massacre of Japanese or Chinese migrants in Mexico,

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and I don't remember the year or the place exactly,

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but I think I've added it to the topic list

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because whenever I talk about anything, people are in my

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comments like, well, what about the time Mexico did this?

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And I'm like, all right, they did. And they have

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the thing about knowledge states, yeah, the thing about no

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but yeah, seriously, that's how they come to be nation states, right, Yeah,

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And that's not surprising at all, especially reading about the

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extreme anti Asian sentiments that were in Mexico at during

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this time. Tom assuming actually happened around nineteen twenty, nineteen

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thirty is my Yeah, Yeah, it was around then, and

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unlike the US and there are many atrocities, they have

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apologized and acknowledged that it happened, and they do teach

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about it in schools as far as I have seen.

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I could be wrong. I could be wrong. When the

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border Patrol was first created after the passage with nineteen

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twenty four National Origin to Act, local officials in the

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California borderlands promised it wouldn't affect Mexican agricultural labor, which

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is something that also happened in Texas, them saying supposedly

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that it wouldn't affect Mexicans, Mexican labor, Mexican air cultural labor,

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because anything do not disrupt the flow of capitalism, right, yeah,

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And the inspector in charge of the local United States

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Immigration Service even once said Mexicans will not be molested

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like bothered. They use that more back then, Yes, Mexicans

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will not be molested, accepting in extreme cases and accordance

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with regulations which have been enforced through the past several years,

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because the rigid rules now in effect applied chiefly to

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European aliens. So he was quoted saying, oh, this doesn't

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apply to Mexicans, only European immigrants. Basically, Wow, isn't that

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wild to even think about? Yeah? Yeah, and again but

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were there so they were really only talking about Mexican

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migrant who work in agriculture. Everyone else was fair game.

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Oh did we just say that? It is not the way, olind.

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And this changed though when Frank g Ellis, whose mother

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was actually listed in the nineteen ten census as Mexican

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slash Spanish and then his dad was like Swedish or

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something I remember. Anyway, this Frank Fellow became the lead

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officer of the Central District and he promised that he

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and his officers would immediately depour all undocumented people from

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history atiction, including Mexican farm labors. And who knows, because

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that wasn't like the social norm or expectations. He just

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wanted to, I guess. But this was met with protests

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from the local agricultural businessmen. Right, they didn't want to

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lose their very cheap labor, right, And although this was

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their goal to deboor any and documented people. They didn't

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have much manpower. They only had sixty three officers in

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the entire La district the border patrol, so they weren't

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really making much of an impact either way on Mexican

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farm labor population. But still the agricultural business men went

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to the Department of Labor to ask them. The Departminent

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of Labor, who border patrol was under back then, they

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asked them to stop deporting Mexican farm workers and they

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negotiated a compromise for a while, and the Department of

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Labor they didn't issue an exemption for the agricultural Mexican

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labor force, and instead they compromised with the farmers by

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basically making like a registration of Mexican farm workers. Like

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they're like, we're not going to stop them, like officially

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from deportation, but we're going to create this registration of

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farm workers just to kind of know who they are,

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and they won't be like on paper, they were saying

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they to deport them, but they were doing sorry, on paper,

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they said they wouldn't. And so instead of officially saying

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we're going to exempt them, they said we're going to

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make this list and then Border Patrol will know who

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basically who to not deport at least during I don't

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know the season whatever, right, and this works for a bit. Well, Okay,

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you know what I was explaining it all weird, but

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you could think of it kind of like a work

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permit situation that I don't know why I wrote it

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next because I'm like, oh, this makes sense, like to

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explain it, and then I forgot as I was talking.

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But yeah, basically basically functioned like a work permit situation.

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But everything changed in the nineteen thirties everywhere because of

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the Grade depression. When the Grade depression hit, then we

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get Mexican repatriation. Yeah, which we don't have a full

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episode on the we that's what. We don't have a

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full episode on that. No, we have an episode on

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the Placita Raid, which took place during the Mexican repatriots,

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and then we talked a little bit more about it

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in the Mexicans in Mississippi episode because people kept saying

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they were not in Mississippi due to Mexican reputation, which

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is not the case. Right, And although things took a

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turn for the worst in the nineteen thirties, the Border

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Patrol's budget was never big, something we also talked about

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in earlier episodes. They couldn't keep up with the cost

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of immigration hearing, the tensions and deportation, especially right after

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the nineteen thirties during the Great Depression, and in an

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effort to cut costs, the Border Patrol introduced the process

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of a voluntary return in order to decrease the amount

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of deportation hearings. Because they were about to broke, bitches, right,

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and because they were broke. By March nineteen twenty seven,

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the Border Patrol stopped fronting the cost of voluntary return

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for a new Mexican, Canadian or able bodied immigrant, and

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new could travel by sea, so they used to pay

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for it. I guess yeah. And in a lot of

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places this is a Mexican consul. It also helped them

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because they would assist in this like people returning, right,

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and a lot of people thought, oh, well, we're not

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like some people were living due to the threat of

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de pretision, but a lot of people were leaving because

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they're like, Okay, well we can't find jobs here, maybe

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back in Mexico we will too. So it was some

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of it was like obviously the her actual voluntary return. Yeah. Yeah.

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And another change that happened during this time was that

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border patrol agents could issue their own voluntary orders, meaning

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the officers had the power to say you're being deported. Yeah,

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And they could quickly, cheaply and independently expel Mexican nationals

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without an administrative hearing. Oh wow. I guess before even

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if someone was voluntary voluntarily returning, they would have hearings.

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I'm not sure, but now that wasn't like a part

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of the process anymore. So basically it became easier to

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deport Mexicans compared to other immigrant groups. Oh, because it's

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only applied to Mexicans. Yeah. I don't know if it

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was because the border was so close compared to Asian

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and European probably probably had yeah, uh an aspect to

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do with that or whatever. And so it was just

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another besides the racism, another way to focus or encourage

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focusing and policing of Mexicans for immigration enforcement because it

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was just cheaper to do that. And with the Great

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Depression came a surplus of domestic labor and the rise

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and anti immigrant in testaments, which we've talked about before,

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like you we mentioned what episodes kind of a little

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bit ago, like the Great Repatriation was doing the Great Depression, Yes, yes, yes,

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and now things were so dire that not even the

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agricultural businessmen fought for unrestricted Mexican immigration. And because there's

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no jobs, right yeah, and Mexicans were being blamed for

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this lack of job even though it was like this

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worldwide thing and a lot of other things led to

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the Great Depression, right right, and yeah, the port of

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Mexicans became a coming cry to those angry at the

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economic situation, and they were blaming Mexicans, and governments and

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charities from California to Illinois and Texas began to pay

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for train rights for Mexicans and their usborn children who

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had been forcibly some forcibly removed, some voluntarily returning. And

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that was a part of the Great Repatation also, yes,

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And also during this time, because of the lack of

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jobs and the anti immigrant sentiment, less Mexicans were entering

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the United States in general, and many were leaving, like

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we said, already voluntarily. But despite the fact that less

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Mexicans were entering the US, and a lot were leaving

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on their own, volition, the bor Patrol still continued to

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target the Mexican population. Of course they did, right, And

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something that Kelly wrote about which wasn't totally surprising was

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how the Mexican government cooperated and collaborated with the US

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Immigration Enforcement to try to stop the Mexican migration into

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the United States. And this began in the nineteen twenties

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after Mexico was trying to rebuild itself. Oh, this is

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where I was going to ask you to summarize the

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porfidiato period. Oh, but yeah, this started in the nineteen

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twenties after Mexico was trying to rebuild itself after the perfidiato,

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which you kind of described earlier. So Mexico was building

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a national identity and didn't really like the amount of

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Mexicans living in to the United States for higher wages.

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And one Mexican official sent the following, if I could,

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I would build a Chinese wall clear across our northern

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border and keep our laborers at home. Wow. And yeah,

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that was also part of Operation Wetback. It was the

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same sentiment and it's always been a sentiment, I believe,

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except right now and we're finally in a time period

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where people are I mean, not carrying the recent mass deportations,

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but people willingly returning to Mexico. Uh, I forgot what

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I was gonna say answer that, but but yeah, operation

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went back was done in collaboration with the Mexican government too,

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And that was the point of the BACA program. Was

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the same type of sentiment that led to it. That

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the purpose was, Okay, send the workers, but they're going

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to come back right to work in Mexico. And then

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when they weren't returning, then you know, that's the sort

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of like, well, we'll help you deport these people because

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we need workers or workers back too. So yeah, I'm

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not surprised to hear that. In short, I just started

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reading about the Minnesota program in the next chapter. Oh

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and the Mexican public echoed the sentiments of their government,

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believing that those were betraying the nation. I was going

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to say, oh, yeah, it was. It's this sense of betrayal.

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I think this is that quote must come from. I

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feel like, oh, Bete, like, oh, it's your fault. You

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wanted to go north for better wages, so look at

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you now, working like a dog. That's kind of what

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that quote means yeah or detail. I don't know how

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you say. Still, the Mexican government controlled or tried to

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control Mexican immigration in different ways. One was through the

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Mexican Department of Migration and another through propaganda and policy

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or as Kelly described, social engineering projects. And I remember

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reading but then I couldn't find it reading about a

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contest where this one anthropologist who was kind of he

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worked in the government making policies and stuff. He started

454
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:38.359
a contest about who could come up with the slogan

455
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.960
to try to keep people from staying something like that fascinating,

456
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.000
but I couldn't remember it to fully put it in

457
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:47.640
my notes, but it was something like them. But despite

458
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:52.799
all that, the Mexican government ultimately determined that remitiences that immigrants,

459
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:55.599
the immigrants would sent back, would be more helpful than not,

460
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.960
both politically and financially. And I think with that saying

461
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:05.240
anthropologists who basically he did a study saying that the

462
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:09.880
people that were rebelling were rebelling because of they're impover

463
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:12.559
states and not having enough money and feeling like things

464
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:15.960
were economically like unfair and the country and he's like, well,

465
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:18.160
if these are the people that are leaving then it's

466
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:20.039
going to quo rebelling ins in the future, so just

467
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:25.799
let them go. Oh not surprising either, right, right, And

468
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.720
so that could be true, I would imagine maybe because

469
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:34.480
someone who is that adventurous and willing to fight against

470
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.880
the government maybe would also be adventurous and willing to leave,

471
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:40.960
you know, for better opportunities. I'm not sure. But also

472
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:44.119
people people were i mean rebelling for a reason, right, right,

473
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:47.200
But this was just what the garage, yeah, came up with.

474
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:51.359
But yeah, they had obviously valid reasons. Yeah, but they

475
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:54.119
were for the same areas. The same areas that were rebelling.

476
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.720
Are also people leaving, right, And that was part of

477
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:58.920
what he used in his study because they yeah, yes,

478
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.359
I just I didn't get into that here, but that's

479
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:02.880
what she talks about in the notes. It's like the

480
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.000
people from Juanaquato and I don't know where else, but

481
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:09.640
the same people like during the Casado rebellion. That's kind

482
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:14.319
of like the rebellion he used for his study or whatever. Okay,

483
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:16.880
but people could have been leaving because in the violence,

484
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:20.759
Oh yeah, a lot of people fled. I mean. Mexican

485
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:25.359
immigration to the US was huge, especially during the revolution

486
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:28.279
for that reason, and then you know, then there was

487
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:31.400
just a war after war basically, so and it honestly

488
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:35.240
didn't call rebellion because the people have always fought, yeah,

489
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:38.960
like against the government in Mexico especially, you know. Yes,

490
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:42.839
so he was wrong, but still that's what his theory was.

491
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:45.559
That's what he said. That's what he said, and that

492
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.640
was one of the reasons why the government decided to

493
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:50.799
not like try to stand in the way of Mexicans

494
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:53.839
leaving for work in the United States. And it's actually

495
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.039
in the constitution that people have a right to leave

496
00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:00.279
the country too. Really, yeah, I want I did write

497
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:01.720
it down either, but let me try to find it,

498
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.279
just because I thought it was interesting that it's in

499
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:07.799
the constitution. Yeah, I had no idea. Oh yeah, here

500
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.559
it is. But the Mexican Constitution also protected the right

501
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:15.079
of Mexican nationals to freely enter and exit the national territory,

502
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:19.160
and Mexican authorities therefore refuse to prevent Mexican nationals from

503
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:26.359
crossing the border, regardless of the administrative requirements for legal immigration. Wow. Fascinating.

504
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:32.799
And the Mexican government also disagreed with the passage of

505
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:37.279
US anti immigrant laws that would affect Mexican migrants, since

506
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.920
they knew that it would lead to policing, criminalization, and

507
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:45.400
in enjoutices towards Mexicans and in turn affect the economic

508
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:52.799
gains that Mexico received from the country's immigrants, like the remedances.

509
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.720
I said it wrongly and whatever. An officer of the

510
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.720
Mexican Department of Migration once said, their people from the

511
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.119
United States and they arrive in disastrous health and material

512
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:08.200
conditions about the US immigration authorities, and that's something that

513
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:13.160
can be said today. Yeah, the Mexican government was also

514
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:17.680
concerned of immigrants being exploited by Kuyotis or other violent

515
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:21.599
opportunists during their journeys to the United States, especially once

516
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:24.839
migrants were forced into more remote paths of entry in

517
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:29.519
the US. And they yeah, you know, anti immigrant laws passed,

518
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:33.319
like before people could come and go right, and then

519
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.839
now they needed to pay eighteen dollars, they needed to

520
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:42.680
commit themselves to accumulating inspections i e. Like when we

521
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:47.079
talked about the bath riots. Yes, yeah, you know, things

522
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:50.839
like that, and so present themselves to official ports of entry.

523
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.279
So instead people found other ways right to enter the USA.

524
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:57.240
You know what makes me laugh about like because then people,

525
00:32:57.559 --> 00:32:59.400
you know, you share this, and then people are like,

526
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:02.440
what are we supposed to do? Just let everyone in

527
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:04.680
have no rules, And it's like, oh, you don't underst

528
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:08.160
like these rules haven't always been there and people have

529
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:12.079
always moved and they've gone back and forth, like people

530
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:16.839
have a right to travel, to move, Like yeah, Plus,

531
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:18.400
I know I see people saying that all the time.

532
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:20.359
I don't in the United States have a right like

533
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:24.920
any other country to protect itself and moniment. And I'm like, okay,

534
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.799
but the thing that you're not getting in your thick

535
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:35.240
skull and liquid brain is that no other country and

536
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:41.920
the world has caused migrants refugees silence speakers as like,

537
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:44.319
I'm like, sure, the United States has a right supposedly,

538
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.680
you know whatever, but don't people have a right to

539
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:51.039
live in their countries? And they're like, where where is

540
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:53.400
the rule of law in that sense? Oh, the United

541
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:55.519
States can just do where the fucking wants. Across the world,

542
00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:03.920
destabilized countries, fun death squads, coos, coos, literal coups, established dictatorships.

543
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:06.200
They can do whatever the fuck they want. And then

544
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:10.119
when these people leaving the chaos that the United States

545
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:14.079
caused in their countries come here, or they're denied entry

546
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:17.119
because this is my country. No bitch, that's not how

547
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:20.679
the fucking world works. Sorry to get out, like off

548
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.079
topic a little bit, but like and then because then

549
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:24.639
people will be like, well, how long is the US

550
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:26.199
supposed to do that? What do you know? How long

551
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:29.239
when they stop fucking around? You know, some places never

552
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:31.760
have had a chance to recover because are there, I say,

553
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:35.400
because they continue to meddle it could. Yes, they're still

554
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.199
doing this so for forever, really for exactly until they

555
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:44.559
stop and they help repair the countries that they've ruined. Yeah,

556
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:48.239
but no countries will try to fix themselves. And the

557
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:51.360
unity isn't like that because it messes with capitalism. And

558
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:53.639
then they go and kill or try to kill the

559
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:58.920
person in power who is probably democratically elected. Yes, yes, uh.

560
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.199
And then you know they other reply that I'll get

561
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:04.239
to things like that. It's like, oh, well, Mexico does

562
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:05.840
the same being It's like, and I don't agree with

563
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.119
it either. I don't agree with their truthman's so central,

564
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:10.360
But they don't do American to the extent that the

565
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:13.519
United States does that. That's the thing that people people

566
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:17.719
are like, oh no, no, the United States, Like does

567
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:20.960
it to the extent of no other country? No, the

568
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:25.719
United States has far far exceeded like human rights violations,

569
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:28.360
you know like that. And that's when I'm like, shoot

570
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:31.320
the fuck up, Like yeah, I don't care. They just

571
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:40.840
want to argue. Yeah, and to that, thank you exactly precisely. No,

572
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.800
no see, or what's that? I don't know, I forgot

573
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:48.880
right about how how these laws forced people to enter

574
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:52.480
remotely and blah blah blah. Oh yeah, yeah, and so yeah,

575
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:57.639
the United The Mexican government issued warning to Mexicans that

576
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:01.760
wanted to migrate, and one of these warnings circulated to

577
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.840
the Mexican population. The government warned that immigrating without authorization

578
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.280
would open them up to a world of crime, exploitation,

579
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.639
and danger that threatened to literally drown the Mexican family,

580
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:17.480
and that once in the United States, they would face

581
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.119
persecution and be at the mercy of their employers. But

582
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:27.719
people needed more money, you know. Yeah, And the Mexican

583
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:32.199
Department of Migration also established checkpoints at train stations along

584
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.599
routes leading to the United States to prevent migrants from

585
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:40.199
entering the US without the proper authorization, but they tended

586
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:44.639
to focus more on enforcing the law against Coyotis rather

587
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:54.159
than migrants themselves, okay, and to make matters worse for migrants.

588
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:57.320
In nineteen twenty nine, the US passed the Immigration Act

589
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.599
of March fourth, nineteen twenty nine, in which, for the

590
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:05.039
first time, the United States defined unsanctioned border crossings as

591
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:10.079
misdemeanors for first time offenses and felonies, punishable by two

592
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:13.360
to five years in prison and a ten thousand dollars

593
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:19.039
fine for second offenses. And Enrique Santi Vanes, the Mexican

594
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:23.840
consulate official for San Antonio, Texas, spoke out against this criminalization, saying,

595
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:27.159
I do not deny that the Borbatrol has the right

596
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:31.159
to apprehend undocumented immigrants, but the new immigration laws that

597
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.960
have been put into effect are too severe and cruel.

598
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:39.559
Jail terms for illegal immigration are inhumane since Mexican nationals

599
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:43.320
entered the United States to work and build United States

600
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:49.239
agricultural briches. And I do disagree with him that barbaratol

601
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:53.480
about them having the right to know. Yeah, no, but

602
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:58.159
he's right, Like these people are making agricultural businesses in

603
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:02.880
the United States money. Yeah, Like they wouldn't go if

604
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:07.920
they weren't being hired. Right that year ENDCA and other

605
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:12.079
consulate officials visited gels and winness gels that were packed

606
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:17.320
beyond capacity. Not much different than today when people are

607
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:19.800
even able to tour the tentrad centers, but we know

608
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:28.440
that they're overpopulated, among many other human rights violations. So sorry,

609
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.440
I don't know why. I just thought of AOC's picture,

610
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:37.280
which is crying. Yeah, I was like, I no, I'm

611
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:42.239
not going down that path. I'll save it for an episode.

612
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:47.119
So insummation. The Border Patrol since its first days, like

613
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:52.320
I have been saying, has been racist and unjust. And uh,

614
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:57.400
that's where we'll go off today. All right, thanks for

615
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:02.000
moving us forward in this journey of the history of

616
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:05.719
border patrol and how we can see through that journey

617
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:13.239
so far that everything he's safe, they've always fucking sucked. No. Yeah,

618
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.079
actually that brings me to recommend this YouTube video that

619
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.920
I watched us talking about how reading this book and

620
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:23.800
talking about the history of border patrol, learning that although

621
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:26.239
I mean, we could have guessed, border patrol has always

622
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:30.280
been racist and unjust brings me to recommend this video

623
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:35.079
I watched by Wajaha Ali. It's time to abolish ICE,

624
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:41.920
where he interviews someone who defect. Defected, is that the

625
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:48.480
right word. Basically, they left ICE, they quit ICE and

626
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:53.320
did a whole turnaround and now believe in the abolishment

627
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:56.920
of ICE. And she has a book also, I mean,

628
00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:00.480
and she was a whistleblower. Yeah, right, And so she

629
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.760
talks about basically how horrible and I think most of

630
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:06.639
us are in the know, but I don't know. It

631
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.039
still was a good thing to watch, even with all

632
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:12.280
the knowledge that we already have about how horrible fucking

633
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.679
eyes and bored Patrol is. And she's basically like pored

634
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.960
Patrol on ICE. They're basically the same thing. There's no

635
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:21.840
need to differentiate. Yeah, and they've always been horrible, They've

636
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:24.480
always been racist, and that's why they need to be

637
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:29.400
abolished because there's no reforming an institution. Just like the

638
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:34.639
cops right who began their days as catchers of enslaved people,

639
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:41.000
they have a racist origin embedded in their institution and

640
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:45.199
there's no abolishing or try there's no reforming that away

641
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:50.760
from an evil, horrible organization devoid of empathy and humanity.

642
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:55.800
You cannot train people, there's no fixing that, right, which

643
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:57.760
is it just has to be abolished. And the same

644
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:00.960
can be said about Borne patrol and ice And I

645
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:03.239
mean just to see them doing what they're doing now

646
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:07.760
in the streets of La Chicago and now Portland. Actually

647
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:10.840
is it National Guard? No isis in Portland or in

648
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.320
Portland too, So yeah, in Portland too. It's yeah, it's horrible,

649
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:18.199
and they're only getting worse. But this is their like

650
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.400
norm anyway, Like, this is what they do, right, this

651
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.000
is their like base level, like to them, this is

652
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:27.159
nothing new because they have a history of like torturing,

653
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:31.760
starving people, denying medical care. People die at detention centers.

654
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.239
M Yeah, and it doesn't matter who's president. People have

655
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:39.199
always died at the detention centers. Yeah, And they've always

656
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:42.079
been one of the one of the most violent agencies.

657
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:46.880
And that's the few of their acts of violence that

658
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:50.639
get recorded, and that's already a huge number, and then

659
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:53.679
imagine the ones that don't get recorded, like right, and yeah,

660
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:56.280
and we're talking about violence since day one, because how

661
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:59.880
are you only established for like five years and you

662
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:03.800
already need to be reformed. And we talked about that

663
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:07.199
last episode, right, and I'm like, Okay, reform doesn't work.

664
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:11.199
We already know this from history. They have been trying

665
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:15.280
to reform them since their inception, but I'm like, they

666
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:19.199
weren't even around for like, no, ten years, and they

667
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:23.519
need to be reformed. Who are the creators or the

668
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:30.280
forefathers of this Texas Rangers another violent racist institution. Yeah,

669
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.920
who like literally hunted not white people for fun. Including

670
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.599
Like there's a period of I mean we talked about

671
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.320
it in all those episodes already, but like you know,

672
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:42.840
the time period, the ten year time period known as

673
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:46.840
La Matanza is mostly due to Texas Ranger violence. And

674
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:49.119
these are the people who went on to become Border

675
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:53.800
patrol agents, right, So yeah, yeah, how do you reform that?

676
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.880
You can't. No, you don't abolish ice. And now we're

677
00:42:56.920 --> 00:43:01.960
on a watch list and to the watching this video

678
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:09.199
because they're scouring eyes, abolish it like my shirt, hold on,

679
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:15.519
that's its fun eyes mother, and I mean it anyway,

680
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:19.840
they're not good right now. Oh my god, I think

681
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:29.159
swatted you guys recording us uploaded. Okay, we're done now, sorry, yes,

682
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:32.400
we're done, all right now? So yeah, next week, I

683
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:36.159
think we'll be talking about border patrol after World War two,

684
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.000
how that changed things and the establishing establishment of the

685
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.920
breast of the program is what I'm thinking. That would

686
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.480
I'm talking about, and I'm gonna try to have my

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notes done on time. All right, I see believe in you.

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You can do it. Thank you. I don't know do

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it or you only We're just gonna be upping them out.

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I feel like it's igh stakes enough. Yes, and yeah,

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other than that, reminder that you can support us over

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gossip about fun things, although that's becoming more and more rare.

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And yeah, that's over on patreon. An anything you give us,

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we I do like a monthly donation, putting together a

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speaking telsan Esuia's and known donations to some organization to help.

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And right now it's still the car Washers organization in

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LA because they're still doing a boran work. Yes, they

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have been deported in great numbers, targeted in great numbers,

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and so yeah, that's what we're supported right now. And

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if you want to help us do that, then yeah,

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join the Patreon And other than that, we hope that

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this was one less Estonia Unknown. Sorry so that's all weird.

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But yeah, well let's see that I known for you? Yes, yes,

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oh wait sorry, one more reminder that you can catch

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us live. You can meet us that's running at our event.

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The Cuckoo is going to get you in Yakama November first.

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We will be there at netbookie capacity. Yes, not a

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historical capacity, but you know, if you want to still

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say hi, you're more than welcome. We shall be there.

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And yeah, other than that, oh wait, we already said

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our Storia Yeah, yeah, okay. Tootles Astorias Are Known is

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produced by Carmen and Christina. Researched by Carmen and Christina,

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edited by Christina. You can find sources for every episode

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